nero THE zero
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All CBs not named Nnamdi Thread - Free Agency & Texans
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texanfan2002114
Veteran
Not according to what I just heard from John Mclain on 610am. He said if the cap is at $120m then the Texans will be right at the cap already. They will need to cut and restructure contracts before even trying to resign their own players.
After hearing that, I'm not to optimistic that the Texans make a huge splash in FA.
After hearing that, I'm not to optimistic that the Texans make a huge splash in FA.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Would be nice if McClain would give his source for the Texans salaries or where he gets the $120m. I gave an example in my post on the cap with first 3 cuts I listed that 9 million could be saved.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
If you take what LZ and what Mclain are saying, then we are probably seeing the writing on the wall for Leach and the opportunity for Casey to come on. Remember Casey is a Kubiak pick and you know he wants that pick to work. I just think that in a season in which your preseason is going to be cut short, this is a wrong move if so.
On the other hand, I'm more willing to believe LZ vs. Mclain because LZ has proven to be more right than John in recent transactions.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I thought Leach was added to the roster under Kubes?
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I thought I read somewhere that teams may be able to specify one player next season and get $3MM reduced of their cap hit (only for cap calculation purposes). The following year it would be 3 players at $1.5MM each. Something like that.
A #1 CB is what is needed for this team and I would take Asomugha, Joseph and Taylor in that order. Marshall is not a #1 corner but would be a great signing if we needed a #2 or so. He could easily be who we end up with but I would be slightly disappointed with that. Aso/Joseph would be the splash. Taylor would be a good quality signing. Marshall is a last resort to attempt to fill a need.
Not surprising that Cromartie would not be on our radar. He's overrated and definitely doesn't fit with the character of players we want.
FWIW: LZ first reported we had an interest in Ike Taylor MONTHS ago. Like January/February timeframe.
A #1 CB is what is needed for this team and I would take Asomugha, Joseph and Taylor in that order. Marshall is not a #1 corner but would be a great signing if we needed a #2 or so. He could easily be who we end up with but I would be slightly disappointed with that. Aso/Joseph would be the splash. Taylor would be a good quality signing. Marshall is a last resort to attempt to fill a need.
Not surprising that Cromartie would not be on our radar. He's overrated and definitely doesn't fit with the character of players we want.
FWIW: LZ first reported we had an interest in Ike Taylor MONTHS ago. Like January/February timeframe.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
As a FA, not as a draft pick though. And Leach was primarily brought in because Mike Sherman wanted him. So Kubiak has less fingerprints on Leach than he does on Casey, and the big reason for selecting him was because if his versatility to deep snap, play FB, receiver, TE and even QB.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
And he has connections to Pittsburgh. I'd like Taylor, especially for our scheme.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Ike Taylor is the most likely to be signed by the Texans. He will go for less money than Aso or Joseph, and the Steelers will be over the cap at the start of free agency if it is 120 million.
nero THE zero
All Pro
I used to be a big Taylor fan. Now, not so much.
He's old, he's not outstanding in any facet of the game, and he is a veteran Steeler defender.
I just think he'd cause more problems than he'd solve over the course of the next 3-4 years.
He's old, he's not outstanding in any facet of the game, and he is a veteran Steeler defender.
I just think he'd cause more problems than he'd solve over the course of the next 3-4 years.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
It looks like Yahoo.sports is reporting the same thing.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...1-salary-cap-set-at-120-millio?urn=nfl-wp3408
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
That's pretty freakin enlightening man.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Question, what happens if you are over the cap? Looks like there are going to be a few teams who are in some trouble is the cap stays at $120 million.
LOL @ the Cards! This is the only team that can afford Aso.
Arizona $83 million
Atlanta $102.1 million
Baltimore $101.3 million
Buffalo $96.4 million
Carolina $73 million
Chicago $104.9 million
Cincinnati $90.7 million
Cleveland $99.2 million
Dallas $136.6 million
Denver $125 million
Detroit $113.8 million
Green Bay $129.8 million
Houston $118.4 million
Indianapolis $115.5 million
Jacksonville $78.1 million
Kansas City $74.7 million
Miami $103.1 million
Minnesota $108.4 million
New England $102.3 million
New Orleans $105.2 million
New York Giants $126.3 million
New York Jets $128.5 million
Oakland $85.8 million
Philadelphia $80.8 million
Pittsburgh $116 million
San Diego $85.8 million
San Francisco $100.9 million
Seattle $81.1 million
St. Louis $102.4 million
Tampa Bay $59.7 million
Tennessee $107.4 million
Washington $115.2 million
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37327/looking-at-2011-salary-cap-figures
LOL @ the Cards! This is the only team that can afford Aso.
Arizona $83 million
Atlanta $102.1 million
Baltimore $101.3 million
Buffalo $96.4 million
Carolina $73 million
Chicago $104.9 million
Cincinnati $90.7 million
Cleveland $99.2 million
Dallas $136.6 million
Denver $125 million
Detroit $113.8 million
Green Bay $129.8 million
Houston $118.4 million
Indianapolis $115.5 million
Jacksonville $78.1 million
Kansas City $74.7 million
Miami $103.1 million
Minnesota $108.4 million
New England $102.3 million
New Orleans $105.2 million
New York Giants $126.3 million
New York Jets $128.5 million
Oakland $85.8 million
Philadelphia $80.8 million
Pittsburgh $116 million
San Diego $85.8 million
San Francisco $100.9 million
Seattle $81.1 million
St. Louis $102.4 million
Tampa Bay $59.7 million
Tennessee $107.4 million
Washington $115.2 million
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37327/looking-at-2011-salary-cap-figures
GP
Go Texans!
Leach has to be gone. Okoye, IIRC, only saves us maybe between 1 and 2 mill correct? At least I think that was what he stood to make this year. Maybe I'm wrong.
It'd be nice if a few Texans were lining up at McNair's door to donate some blood (re-structure their contracts), to get Aso or a good CB/S combination here. Time to see if they want a real chance at a 3-to-4 year playoff run.
I don't think we can afford the guy even if we made cuts. Any cap gurus here?
nero THE zero
All Pro
Is there a reason for the sarcasm or am I off-base for not having a 31 year old CB, who is average in coverage, and is playing on a team that is historically known for their free agents under-performing on other teams at the top of my wish list? Especially when there are some other free agents who are considerably more attractive (i.e. the best CB in the league and a 26 and 27 year old cornerback who are both better in coverage).
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Ike Taylor is very old for the position, and has been kind of a system guy anyways.
GP
Go Texans!
How in the hell can the Bucs be at $60 million???? WTH? That's HALF of ours.
Man, after seeing this--unless I am misinterpreting things--the Eagles, the Chargers, the Bucs, the Cardinals, and possibly either Chiefs/Seahawks have the room (about $40 million, except Bucs who have $60 million) to get Aso.
Unless the Bucs just have like 50 players to re-sign...they could haul in a HUGE number of free agents.
This has to be a deal of some teams having a lot of free agents to re-sign on their own rosters. Please, God, tell me that the Bucs just have a lot of contracts that are up for renewal.
texanfan2002114
Veteran
There are plenty of teams on your list that can afford Aso. Phili and SD look like places where I would go if I was him.
I dont care if they have to cut/restructure half the team. I just want to see them sign a true #1 CB.
So we wont have to be put through the excruciating experience of watching another yr of the we're going to go young Rick Smith theme. If that means letting Leach go so be it.
So we wont have to be put through the excruciating experience of watching another yr of the we're going to go young Rick Smith theme. If that means letting Leach go so be it.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Notoriously cheap teams (Bucs, Bengals, etc...) are being forced to spend a minimum amount to get to the new floor that is around 90 million I believe. It is going to absolutely FLOOD the FA market when teams start cutting aging vets to get under the new cap. I feel there will be a lot of talent available for cheap after about 3 days of free agency.
Bigger question....how in the hell is our number so damn high and we cant have a winning season? WTF?
Bigger question....how in the hell is our number so damn high and we cant have a winning season? WTF?
nero THE zero
All Pro
Because Bob McNair is cheap!
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
There's all sorts of figures flying around. I've seen recent reports indicating that Indy is one of the teams with the most room under the cap (at least cash-wise) LINK, and I've seen other reports indicating that the Raiders are significantly over the cap. Now I don't know what's right and what's not, but I do know that when one report says a team is way under, and another says that team is over the cap, at least one of them is wrong. Since I don't know which (if either) is correct, I'll pretty much ignore all of it for now.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
I didn't put the sarcasm smiley for a reason - because what you showed in your link truly did enlighten me to the idea that your reason for not liking Taylor is pretty valid based on the info in that link.
If you look around the forums you will see that I don't do alot of putting down other people's post. I simply agree or disagree and sometimes people prove me wrong or change my mind when they show some valid info.
Relax bro, football is almost here.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
The 2011 Texans payroll:
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/yearly/
It's not looking good for us. We still have to sign our draft picks.
Say goodbye to Leach fellas.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/yearly/
It's not looking good for us. We still have to sign our draft picks.
Say goodbye to Leach fellas.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
They should be under the cap until they sign Manning. If he gets tagged won't he make something like $35 Million just to play one year of football?
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
WHo is Brian Russell and why is he making 3 million dollars?
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
That's not my point - my point is that info is all over the board, and therefore, it's difficult, if not impossible, to figure out what's correct.
But I think you're way off on what he gets if he plays under the franchise tag in 2011 (which he won't anyway). The 2010 franchise amount for QB's was $16.4 Million, and while it could go up, I doubt it will hit $20 Million.
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nero THE zero
All Pro
That list is whack. If we pay Brian Russell and Jarvis Green $3M each next year I will eat my hat.
It is a futile effort to determine what our cap number is when there is not even a cap number in place yet. Given the reports that are out there, I'm confident the FO will do what it has to do to sign a difference maker at CB.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
yeah wth? Also , Casey 480K? I think we are opening the exit door for Leach.
texanfan2002114
Veteran
If the cap is $120m they will now need to spend $108m. The 90 you have is 90% of the cap not $90m.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
I knew there was a 90 in there somewhere. Thanks
texanfan2002114
Veteran
No problem!
Texan4Ever
All Pro
Brian Russell is that one white dude playing Safety. He had one good season--back in 2003 with the Vikes. Currently an UFA.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
John Clayton's official perennial full Team list Salary cap status has not been published. That tells me that there are no real legitimate numbers available at this time. Clayton's last article which I have posted in the past only has a "taste.)
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
He is a back up safety and was released. He's a league minimum kind of guy if he even stays in the league next year. That link is whack. On the flip side, Mario is going to be a lot more than $3.725 mil.
Brandon420tx
Flounder
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster.html Brian Russel isn't even on our roster
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
If you follow the link, they say: "These numbers dont include what restricted free agents, exclusive-rights free agents or franchise players would count toward the cap because we dont know that -- and wont until there is a labor agreement in place. And, although we know there will be a 2011 draft no matter what, these numbers dont include rookie salaries. The numbers below are only for players currently under contract for the 2011 season. "
No one knows exactly whats in the new CBA that may allow some wiggle room .... impossible to tell at this point.
I expect the Texans to make a run at Aso one way or another , even if they cant afford the guy , they will find a way to sign one of the others on their list. They simply dont have a choice ..... Smith's job is on the line just as much , if not moreso than Kubiaks believe it or not.
playa465
Veteran
Prolly referring to Richard Marshall CB, Carolina Panthers
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
They'll sign the cheapest guy at CB probably. Anyone can say they made a run at Aso, but it's going to take 17 to probably 20 a year and I just don't see that Texans doing it. Probably will make a Jaque Reeves type of signing.
Brandon420tx
Flounder
QB: Schaub, Dan Orlovsky, TJ Yates
RB: Foster, Ward, Tate (Obbannaya)
WR: AJ, (FA), Walter, DA, Dickerson, Trindon Holliday
TE: OD, Dreesen, Garret Graham
FB/TE: Casey
OT: Winston, Brown,(FA), D.Newton
G: W.Smith, Brisiel, Caldwell, (S.Smith)
OC: C.Myers, Cody Wallace (who?)
NT: Mitchell, Cody
DE: A.Smith, Watt, Jamison, Bulman
OLB: Williams, Barwin, Reed, Nading (Ozougwu)
ILB: Ryans, Cushing, Sharpton, Keglar
CB: (FA), Allen, Harris, KJack, McManis, R.Carmicheal
S: Quinn, (FA) Nolan, Keo, Barber(if no FA is found)
K: Rackers
P: (FA)
This is how I see the roster shaping out with what we currently have (with a few re-signs added in)
Thats 48 players right there. (The Parenthesis are people I think will be on the practice Squad). That gives us 5 spots, 1 of which will be needed to filled by a punter. In my perfect world we sign a CB and have either McManis or Carmicheal deactivated on gameday while the other plays special teams or comes in when we need like a 7th DB. So thats 2, 3 places left, Hopefully one goes to safety, and as far as luxury, another WR pickup and deactivate DD or DA if Dickerson makes strides on game day. Which means 2 more open spots.
RB: Foster, Ward, Tate (Obbannaya)
WR: AJ, (FA), Walter, DA, Dickerson, Trindon Holliday
TE: OD, Dreesen, Garret Graham
FB/TE: Casey
OT: Winston, Brown,(FA), D.Newton
G: W.Smith, Brisiel, Caldwell, (S.Smith)
OC: C.Myers, Cody Wallace (who?)
NT: Mitchell, Cody
DE: A.Smith, Watt, Jamison, Bulman
OLB: Williams, Barwin, Reed, Nading (Ozougwu)
ILB: Ryans, Cushing, Sharpton, Keglar
CB: (FA), Allen, Harris, KJack, McManis, R.Carmicheal
S: Quinn, (FA) Nolan, Keo, Barber(if no FA is found)
K: Rackers
P: (FA)
This is how I see the roster shaping out with what we currently have (with a few re-signs added in)
Thats 48 players right there. (The Parenthesis are people I think will be on the practice Squad). That gives us 5 spots, 1 of which will be needed to filled by a punter. In my perfect world we sign a CB and have either McManis or Carmicheal deactivated on gameday while the other plays special teams or comes in when we need like a 7th DB. So thats 2, 3 places left, Hopefully one goes to safety, and as far as luxury, another WR pickup and deactivate DD or DA if Dickerson makes strides on game day. Which means 2 more open spots.
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playa465
Veteran
I saw that yesterday but was too lazy to post it...Ike Taylor is talented, but how much is covered by their front 7 and having Polamalu roaming all over the place. Even still Taylor is potentially better than what we have, I just hope he ain't looking for that last big payday and fails to contribute consistent to what he gets paid
Brandon420tx
Flounder
Assuming http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/yearly/ is accurate, The Salary for those above 48 (minus Allen and the rookies) is 64.734 million or 64,734,000 Now i just need to find a list of all the signing bonuses due this year ...
Edit: The only reason I believe the above number is correct is because I researched Wards new contract, and it was for 1.75 million total with a 825,000 signing bonus, which left 825,000 in salary which is what the link had. Also the only reason I believe the number is wrong is because Brian Russel isn't listed on the Texans Roster on their website
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TimeKiller
Guest
However will they get under the cap and have room to sign a big name?
Ummmmm how about starting by cutting dead weight, like the top10 DT who is making a boatload of jack for doing....jack nuthin!! How about asking Ryans and Schaub to restructure? How about not re-signing broken TEs when we've got 40 others waiting to play?
Looking to make a Jacques Reeves signing huh?
Jesus, we might just end up with Jacques Reeves!!! ahhhhhhh!!!!
Ummmmm how about starting by cutting dead weight, like the top10 DT who is making a boatload of jack for doing....jack nuthin!! How about asking Ryans and Schaub to restructure? How about not re-signing broken TEs when we've got 40 others waiting to play?
Looking to make a Jacques Reeves signing huh?
Jesus, we might just end up with Jacques Reeves!!! ahhhhhhh!!!!
Brandon420tx
Flounder
Actually, I'm looking for a good source on Okoye's contract, but what I've found so far is that a large portion of his cap hit from his rookie contract is from Guaranteed Money and incentives, his actual salary is probably quite low, and looks like it will cost more to cut him this year than keep him
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Rotoworld has his 2011 salary at $2.95 Million. They're usually pretty accurate, and they don't include any bonus (prorated or otherwise) in the salary number.
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However, since 2012 is the final year of his contract, there would definitely be a net reduction to cut him - there's never a situation where it will cost more to cut someone than to keep them if there's only a year left on the contract.