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To be or not to be? (A Supportive Fan)

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To be a supportive fan or to be a booing, criticising fan?

If you blindly support your team and cheer when they announce "Pat Buchannon!" or "Jason Babin!" maybe you are giving the players some confidence, but aren't you also telling McNair and the Texans $$ holders that we are happy even when we lose?

I want to cheer for this team, but I also want the owner to make some changes so that we can be a winning team.

Ive cheered myself horse every game I've been to, but Im tired of watching the same problems every year. We have always had an OL problem. Why haven't we fixed it? Etc, etc.

What is a loyal fan who wants change supposed to do??
 
I'd suggest that you continue to post your thoughts and feelings about this team and the direction it's going in on this board. Many within the Texans organization read this board on a regular basis. Also I think McClain reads the board from time to time, but I'm not sure about that.
 
IMO I'll scream and cuss at the Texans all day when I am watching the game at the house, but booing them from the stands is not going to help their confidence, which is one of their many problems...
 
Ok, because you boo dosent mean I, others dont support the team. If your a parent everyonce in a while you have to put your kids inline, same thing with this team. We have stood behind all the short commings up untill the last home game last season. We as season ticket holders pay all the guys down on the feilds bills. It should be a honor for these guys and they should take some pride that they get to play football for a living, they have been selling us the fans a poor product. This is a professional football team, and we the fans are the ones that make all that possable, we have the RIGHT to show are disaproval. I have been a season ticket holder for 3 years now, and I am telling you LOTS of people are pissed with this product they are trying to sell us... these tickets are not cheap! I love the Texans, but these guys look like they got there head in the dirt... SHOW SOME DAMN PRIDE AND PLAY FOOTBALL
 
Yeah you have the right to show disapproval, but is booing them going to improve their performance?
 
texan279 said:
Yeah you have the right to show disapproval, but is booing them going to improve their performance?
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is not booing going to improve it?

at least when you boo, they know we're pissed off
 
as a fan your not going to improve this team.... if it where only that simple this team would have 4 super bowls already.... they had the fans behind them every single blowout up untill now.... this is only going to get worse if this team dosent gets there act together.All you guys that sit at home and watch them, will start getting blacked out home games and thats going to start hurting Mr. Mcnairs pocketbook
 
texan279 said:
Yeah and booing them really helps their confidence, which is what this team needs now more than ever...[/QUOTE

yeah I got a light bill due this month, are the Texans going to refund my 300 bucks I wasted on this sunday? people booing arnt concerned about the players feelings, thought I didnt need to say that..... and the Texans dont seem too worried about raising there ticket prices 2 years in a row, and giving us this product? These guys need to show some backbone, and others dont need to worry about the players selfesteem.... everyone does that,everyone involved will be ok..... these guys looked like they never played football before these last 2 weeks.... Buffalo looked like champs against us last week, you see how they looked this week? lol its going to be a long seasons guys get comfy
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One thing the Texans organization can NOT complain about is the fan support around here which has/is excellent.

They sell out every game; fans are rabid about their support. All to Houston's credit.

But like any love affair the honeymoon is eventually over.

The honeymoon here is over.

These guys earn millions. They get free cars and free dinners. They're treated like kings when they go out.

So give your subjects something to be proud of Texans!
 
yeah I got a light bill due this month, are the Texans going to refund my 300 bucks I wasted on this sunday?
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If you spent 300 bucks on the game instead of paying your light bill that's your own fault...
 
texan279 said:
Yeah and booing them really helps their confidence, which is what this team needs now more than ever...
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Do you really think our cheering is what is going to turn this team around?

Just asking...maybe you are right.
 
Do you really think our cheering is what is going to turn this team around?

Just asking...maybe you are right.
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No, probably not, I am just saying booing them will not help their confidence.
 
I am a season ticket holder dude..... how would I have spent 300 bucks on the game? no... I had to put THOSANDS up to see this... the point was our whole worrying about there feelings..... they put a poor product on the field, we are not going to get check in the mail.... so if people wanna boo * they should* they have every right, we have stood for 4 years and paid and cheered for a sub .500 team --- dont think these grown mean need someone to clap there hands when carr is getting tossed around like a rag doll -- some how I dont think he is worried about what the fans think--- get my point -- this is a BUSSINESS for the TEXANS its all ABOUT MILLIONS of dollars-- you as a fan may treat it as something personall..... but its all about MONEY in the long run... and we are providing the funds for these guysto suit up every sunday --- and here you are concerned about some 6-2 250 pound, millionair, porche driving guys feelings--- lol its easy doing that when you dont spend 300 bucks every sunday to watch this product!
 
and trust this... this team better start taking notice... season ticket holders will drop next season, if the first two games are any indication to whats to come....
 
I am not saying fans don't have the right to boo, but what's the point? Does it help anything? No. Am i concerned about their feelings? No. But you guys are complaining about their performance when booing only hurts confidence which hurts performance. All you are doing is complaining about your money. If you don't like it sit at home and watch the game.
 
I love this team, I'll cheer them but I will boo them and be upset if they continue to look like they are not prepared for the games coming sunday.

They are a bad team and Casserlys moves have failed. Capers wants to run the ball but we get so far behind that we cannot. SInce we cant run we make up for it by not pass blocking. Luckily, our Receivers make up for the lack of pass blocking by dropping the ball when it comes their way.

Its sad that this team is not coached well and not prepared and look like a Division 2 college team out there.

I remember watching ESPN and they were showing how smart Ed Reed was and he was using the Texans video to show the mistakes and what they were doing wrong against a team they were going to play. It was embarassing, much like I am right now to be a Texans fan. Its so bad my 5 friends from Pittsburgh are not celebrating.
 
texan279 said:
I am not saying fans don't have the right to boo, but what's the point? Does it help anything? No. Am i concerned about their feelings? No. But you guys are complaining about their performance when booing only hurts confidence which hurts performance.
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ever heard of freedom of voice? obviously the majority feel the same way.... Texans better take notice.... they dont have there free hall pass to screw up any more
 
ever heard of freedom of voice? obviously the majority feel the same way.... Texans better take notice.... they dont have there free hall pass to screw up any more
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Did you even read my post, I said fans have a right to boo...
 
texan279 said:
Yeah and booing them really helps their confidence, which is what this team needs now more than ever...
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Actually, this team needs a gameplan and some playmakers worse. Their confidence was shot before they ever stepped foot on the field today. Are we supposed to cheer when they do something stupid? :ok: The players would think we'd gone NUTS. Poor play deserves to be booed on occasion. This season is turning into one of those occasions.

The crowd DID cheer today when the Texans did something right; it's a shame that there weren't many instances that called for it.
 
I was about to say something similar.... those same fans that where booing...where going crazy when we started the second half with a TD.... the fans want to see this teah do well, but as mentioned above-- they arnt going to cheer when they make boneheaded plays as they have been doing 2 weeks in a row
 
IMO, booing seldom has any sort of positive effect ie. better performance, which I believe is what is wanted. However, cheering has been shown to have a positive effect. So...cheering makes more sense. May not feel as good, but is more likely to have the desired effect. Changes to the teams personel will be a direct result of the wins and losses.
 
well sorry to say but fans are not going to cheer 8 sacks, and other poor plays... no teams fans in any pro league would.... if you wanna agree people perform better with support rather than boo's.... we all know that, but I am not going to be raped of my money and clap my hands at the same time... sorry I dont swing that way
 
disaacks3 said:
Actually, this team needs a gameplan and some playmakers worse. Their confidence was shot before they ever stepped foot on the field today. Are we supposed to cheer when they do something stupid? :ok: The players would think we'd gone NUTS. Poor play deserves to be booed on occasion. This season is turning into one of those occasions.

The crowd DID cheer today when the Texans did something right; it's a shame that there weren't many instances that called for it.
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great honest post.much respect to you bro
 
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and trust this... this team better start taking notice... season ticket holders will drop next season, if the first two games are any indication to whats to come....
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I agree, it's hard to justify paying hundreds of dollars for season tickets and they can't even put a competetive team on the field. I too feel season ticket sales will drop off, including mine.

Bobby 119C
 
texan279 said:
I am not saying fans don't have the right to boo, but what's the point? Does it help anything? No. Am i concerned about their feelings? No. But you guys are complaining about their performance when booing only hurts confidence which hurts performance. All you are doing is complaining about your money. If you don't like it sit at home and watch the game.
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We boo and chear at the same game. If booing hurts their confidence, they might want to play golf. We need to boo so McNair will hear us. We all need to call and complain. This is a joke. We pay way to much money for this product with no return policy. The Texans even told me the first year that my PSL would probably go up in value in 3-4 years. They told me about other PSL's that trippled in 4 years. I was also told I had to buy a PSL to have my rights to buy again next year. This was a lie. The upperdeck seats are not PSL's, but they get to buy their seats again. They were supposed to get back in line and not be assured seats. So right now I feel ripped and I want to boo. Unless you want to buy my PSL's at 2x's what I paid for them.
 
We boo and chear at the same game. If booing hurts their confidence, they might want to play golf. We need to boo so McNair will hear us. We all need to call and complain. This is a joke. We pay way to much money for this product with no return policy. The Texans even told me the first year that my PSL would probably go up in value in 3-4 years. They told me about other PSL's that trippled in 4 years. I was also told I had to buy a PSL to have my rights to buy again next year. This was a lie. The upperdeck seats are not PSL's, but they get to buy their seats again. They were supposed to get back in line and not be assured seats. So right now I feel ripped and I want to boo. Unless you want to buy my PSL's at 2x's what I paid for them.
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Sounds to me like the only reason you bought your tickets was to make some money....
 
If you pay good $ for your seat, are forced to sit in 95 degree heat, pay $7 for a beer, and watch a train wreck in return then you as a TRUE fan have every right to show your displeasure.

If you can't understand this then you are probably on of the many bandwagoners at the game yesterday...
 
If you pay good $ for your seat, are forced to sit in 95 degree heat, pay $7 for a beer, and watch a train wreck in return then you as a TRUE fan have every right to show your displeasure.

If you can't understand this then you are probably on of the many bandwagoners at the game yesterday...
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Well if YOU are a true fan, you guys would not be sitting here moaning about money, you would just be happy to get the chance to see your favorite team play live, whether they win or lose. And A bandwagon fan, I think not buddy, I have seen every game since game 1, bought all of my Texans gear before the first season, I support my team no matter what, and if you would ever walk into my house the first thing you would know about me is I am a bigtime Texans fan. Just because I don't cry about the money I spend on tickets, food, and merchandise doesn't make me a bandwagon fan, kind of makes YOU a bandwagon fan who sounds like he is ready to hop right off the wagon...
 
texan279 said:
Well if YOU are a true fan, you guys would not be sitting here moaning about money, you would just be happy to get the chance to see your favorite team play live, whether they win or lose. And A bandwagon fan, I think not buddy, I have seen every game since game 1, bought all of my Texans gear before the first season, I support my team no matter what, and if you would ever walk into my house the first thing you would know about me is I am a bigtime Texans fan. Just because I don't cry about the money I spend on tickets, food, and merchandise doesn't make me a bandwagon fan, kind of makes YOU a bandwagon fan who sounds like he is ready to hop right off the wagon...
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It must be nice to have plenty of money to not have to worry about paying too much for a bad product. I am not a bandwagon fan at all. I love this team. I get on to my children when they screw up. (I also pay a lot of money for them) To think people shouldn't complain about money is an insult. I have spent 13 years risking my life for this city and getting paid peanuts for it. I can't afford to waste money, and this is looking like a waste. These players and coaches get paid millions. Also on the PSL being said to be worth more, I wouldn't want to sell it if we were a contender. I was using this as an example of how this team is failing to be the product they acted like they would give us.
 
I mean, you go see a profession football game for 1 of a few things:

1. Good football - Nope, not here in houston
2. Fun experience - Sitting in 120 degree heat with the roof open? nope
3. Novelty - we are a 4th year team. not an expansion
 
It must be nice to have plenty of money to not have to worry about paying too much for a bad product. I am not a bandwagon fan at all. I love this team. I get on to my children when they screw up. (I also pay a lot of money for them) To think people shouldn't complain about money is an insult. I have spent 13 years risking my life for this city and getting paid peanuts for it. I can't afford to waste money, and this is looking like a waste. These players and coaches get paid millions. Also on the PSL being said to be worth more, I wouldn't want to sell it if we were a contender. I was using this as an example of how this team is failing to be the product they acted like they would give us.
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You act like this was a stock investment gone wrong or something...Do you expect them to win every game and go to the Super Bowl every year? We are in the 4th year of an expansion team, I was ready to go through a couple of losing seasons...But if this is your attitude about the situation you probably would be better off selling your PSL's...
 
texan279 said:
You act like this was a stock investment gone wrong or something...Do you expect them to win every game and go to the Super Bowl every year? We are in the 4th year of an expansion team, I was ready to go through a couple of losing seasons...But if this is your attitude about the situation you probably would be better off selling your PSL's...
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Don't you see that we've already experienced the losing seasons? 7-9 is NOT GOOD, and that was our best season. i think what he was upset about is that an expansion team is not supposed to go from bad to mediocre and then back to bad again. With the progress this team is making, it is going to take decades to amass a winning record. By your fourth year (after having 3 losing records) you should have a core of young, budding players mixed in with key veteran FA acquisitions and at least show SOME sigs of progress. Why pay loads of money for tickets if the games are such huge blowouts that you can leave in the 3rd quarter and really only miss another few 3 and outs? I understand that tickets should not be thought of as a money making investment, but at the same time, the people here not complaining about paying too much need to take off their red and blue glasses and realize that it simply is NOT FUN to watch your team get their tails handed to them year in and year out and show no signs of progress. Couple that with 120 weather and I can see why the fans are pissed. :brickwall
 
texan279 said:
You act like this was a stock investment gone wrong or something...Do you expect them to win every game and go to the Super Bowl every year? We are in the 4th year of an expansion team, I was ready to go through a couple of losing seasons...But if this is your attitude about the situation you probably would be better off selling your PSL's...
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I can't sell my PSL's. First because I am a fan. The second reason would have to be that I would not be able to get my money back. If this team was 0 - 2 with playing two good games, I would be fine with that. But counting the last two pre-season games the Texans have played four bad games. Something must change. If you are a true fan you would also realize that this team has been a few bad coaching decisions from a playoff race each year. It was not a finacial decision for me, it was a football fan decision. That being said, with my small bank account I won't buy an old Ford Pinto before I buy a new Chevy. I spend my money wisely and on good products. The Texans told us they were planning on producing and I want to see it.
 
I am not saying no one has the right to be pissed, and I am not saying fans do not have the right to voice their opinion, what I am saying is why complain about spending the money? It's football, you win some and lose some. But it this way, would you rather to be able and go watch the Texans every Sunday, or would you rather have no team to watch on Sundays, the way we had it for several years. I know I pick the having the Texans anyday... :texflag:
 
Losing to a good team can be fun. Just not the way the Texans are doing it. Losing to Green bay last year? awesome. Vikings? super fun. New England? Great game, and the list goes on and on. Our last 4 games (including preseason) and last 3 games (regular season only) have been as fun as getting poked in the eye. If we were competitive, it could have been great. But we weren't, and thats why its not fair to charge so much.
 
texan279 said:
I am not saying no one has the right to be pissed, and I am not saying fans do not have the right to voice their opinion, what I am saying is why complain about spending the money? It's football, you win some and lose some. But it this way, would you rather to be able and go watch the Texans every Sunday, or would you rather have no team to watch on Sundays, the way we had it for several years. I know I pick the having the Texans anyday... :texflag:
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If it was all or nothing, your right, i wuold rather watch a bad home team than no team at all, but it shouldn't be that we have to choose between those two.
 
All I am saying is I feel lucky and proud to have the Texans here in Houston, although I will criticize the team and get PO'ed at them, I won't complain on the money I spend on tickets, food, beer, hats, posters, flags, and shirts, because IMO it is a privilege to have football here in Houston. And even when they look as bad as they have the last two weeks I'll still fly my Texans flag.... :texflag:
 
texan279 said:
No, probably not, I am just saying booing them will not help their confidence.
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Help their confidence? What is this a football game or a therapy session?

They are paid damn good money to play a game, if their delicate psyches can't handle it then they need to get into another profession.
 
If you buy something and it doesn't work for longer than a week, you take it back and get a refund (especially Wal-Mart). We can't get a refund on the PSL, the tickets, the $5 flat coke or the however much the people who drink spend on the beer. So we must call for the problem to be fixed. The players and coaches could refund us, that would be best. How great would it be if a team said free drinks for the next game if we lose. To be more realistic, how about 1.50 cokes, 1.50 hot dogs 2.50 beers and 1.00 ice cream if we lose.
 
If you buy something and it doesn't work for longer than a week, you take it back and get a refund (especially Wal-Mart). We can't get a refund on the PSL, the tickets, the $5 flat coke or the however much the people who drink spend on the beer. So we must call for the problem to be fixed. The players and coaches could refund us, that would be best. How great would it be if a team said free drinks for the next game if we lose. To be more realistic, how about 1.50 cokes, 1.50 hot dogs 2.50 beers and 1.00 ice cream if we lose.
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Jeez, this is FOOTBALL, this is NOT like going to WalMart and buying something broke and returning it or going out to eat and finding a fly in your soup and getting a free meal...Get real...
 
texan279 said:
Jeez, this is FOOTBALL, this is NOT like going to WalMart and buying something broke and returning it or going out to eat and finding a fly in your soup and getting a free meal...Get real...
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You are missing the point. A product needs to have a fair price. Right now it's not fair. I thank God I can go to a live football game and be able to barely afford it. But it's not right in most pro sports that the teams are not held responsible to the fans enough. We pay them. I know I could not support the sport, but that would kill me and someone else with more money will keep the players a salary.
 
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So should we pay more when the Texans win 2 or 3 in a row?
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I gaurantee the price of tickets will go up if they become a winner. Why can't they go down when they are losers. They have gone up this year while losing, if you haven't noticed.
 
Kinda stuck on this one. Yep, I guess if you boo it lets the team know that you are disappointed..

I myself will not boo the team, but definitely let them know I'm pissed. I will yell, like I did at the secondary Sunday, get your head out of your butt, or time to show up isn't it. I stood in the aisle on the front row Sunday and just stood there with my arms in the air like what the *********. I yell block line. Just can't make myself boo them.

Bobby 119C :brickwall
 
gtexan02 said:
To be a supportive fan or to be a booing, criticising fan?

If you blindly support your team and cheer when they announce "Pat Buchannon!" or "Jason Babin!" maybe you are giving the players some confidence, but aren't you also telling McNair and the Texans $$ holders that we are happy even when we lose?

I want to cheer for this team, but I also want the owner to make some changes so that we can be a winning team.

Ive cheered myself horse every game I've been to, but Im tired of watching the same problems every year. We have always had an OL problem. Why haven't we fixed it? Etc, etc.

What is a loyal fan who wants change supposed to do??
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I dunno. You 've got me on this end here feeling down b/c I feel the same way. I try to stick up for them when I can - b/c I'm a fan of the home town team. But then again, you look at the Rockets, 'Stros, Comets, Aeros it's the same old story. At least 3 of the 4 mentioned have won championships here. It might be a stretch for us to ask or expect the Texans to be championship contenders, but then again no it's not. I mean afterall, there were teams that made it to the playoffs or the Superbowl within their first 2 or 4 seasons in the new city - and amazingly enough Capers coached one of them, WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?

But as a fan, you hope for the team to make the necessary changes to make it a contender. Everytime has been down before and those teams end up shining. It will happen for the Texans as well.
 
texan279 said:
I am not saying no one has the right to be pissed, and I am not saying fans do not have the right to voice their opinion, what I am saying is why complain about spending the money? It's football, you win some and lose some. But it this way, would you rather to be able and go watch the Texans every Sunday, or would you rather have no team to watch on Sundays, the way we had it for several years. I know I pick the having the Texans anyday... :texflag:
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Uh, yea you are and thankfully you are the minority.

If you feel paying $50-$100 for a ticket, $7 bucks for a beer, sitting under 95 degree sun in an arena that has a retractable roof, and watching the Houston Cougars play NFL teams a good investment then more power to you buddy. God be with you if you ever put $ in the stock market. Some people will never believe the sky is blue no matter how many angles are throw their way.

I love the concept, love the players, love the vibe, the tailgating, the spirit, the uniforms, owner, arena, etc. I don't like the preparation, stategy, leadership, scheme, not to mention the preventable heat. Last time I check we live in America which means I have a right to spend money just as I have the right to boo a bad product. This does not mean I am not a fan. This means I am a fan disgusted with the coaching staff and they needed to hear it more than anyone else.

And who said you were a bandwagoner? If you "really" were at the game you would of thought we were in Pitt. I find it hard to believe that there are that many transplants from Pitt living in Houston. In case you have not noticed this is the bandwagon capital of the world. We are littered with fans who only cling to the flavor of the day.
 
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