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We drafted Travis Johnson, who in 2 games hasnt made one tackle. We could have had DJ, who every boby wanted but no. Most people thought the DJ fans were stupid, thinking that he could never fall to us, but now I think the coaching staff is stupid for passing up opportunity when it knocked.

I personally would rather have drafted Matt Jones. He would at least start.
 
Lets give the coaching staff a little credit for drafting. They got Davis in the 4th round and he's better than alot of first round backs in the league. D-Rob should have been defensive rookie of the year and Andre is a top 10 reciever (If they pass more to him) in the league. If Carr is protected he's very good. About Travis Johnson, It's only been two games. Let's give him a little bit more time.
 
Our front office is ran by morons. Our OL has been deplorable every season, yet they make no serious additions. For that alone Cass should be canned.

We run a 3-4, where LB's are the key to your sucess and we pass on DJ, to sign a one year wonder who had character issues.

We take a FLA reciever with the first pick of the second round despite the fact that ANY goon with a clue knows Fla Wr's were propped up by Spurriers system. We could have had Clinton Portis with that pick.

Pitts, Wand, Joppru, Gafney, TJ....

What about free agency? We let our heart and soul go (Sharper and Glenn), do nothing to replace the LB's (Foreman included) except cross our fingers Babin and Peek would finally get a clue... and we get a knucklehead without a positive track record to replace an pro's pro who's been amoungst the best at his position for years.

Adios casserly...
 
What do you think we should do with him? I personally want to trade him for something, maybe Aaron Glenn. I know they won't because they want more "speed" on the field. Just something, he's horrible. We got riped off in that trade.
 
platnumdelgado said:
Lets give the coaching staff a little credit for drafting. They got Davis in the 4th round and he's better than alot of first round backs in the league. D-Rob should have been defensive rookie of the year and Andre is a top 10 reciever (If they pass more to him) in the league. If Carr is protected he's very good. About Travis Johnson, It's only been two games. Let's give him a little bit more time.
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For one, Carr is no lock to be considered a good pick. It could go either way. TJ was a moron pick from the jump.

Andre and D-rob are legit, but is battin .500 in top 15 picks really something to be proud of? Anyone who follows college ball could hit 50-50 with a pick that high.

Our second round and beyond is whats truly deplorable. And even DDavis isnt enough to overlook that fact. Gaffney, Babin, Pitts, Wand, Joppru?
 
Fletch said:
For one, Carr is no lock to be considered a good pick. It could go either way. TJ was a moron pick from the jump.

Andre and D-rob are legit, but is battin .500 in top 15 picks really something to be proud of? Anyone who follows college ball could hit 50-50 with a pick that high.

Our second round and beyond is whats truly deplorable. And even DDavis isnt enough to overlook that fact. Gaffney, Babin, Pitts, Wand, Joppru?
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Great post..very thoughtful analysis..they have done a poor job overall and have not used the good young talent properly
 
Fletch said:
Our second round and beyond is whats truly deplorable. And even DDavis isnt enough to overlook that fact. Gaffney, Babin, Pitts, Wand, Joppru?
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Just for the record, Babin was a 1st rounder, Wand was taken in the 3rd.
 
We drafted Travis Johnson, who in 2 games hasnt made one tackle. We could have had DJ, who every boby wanted but no. Most people thought the DJ fans were stupid, thinking that he could never fall to us, but now I think the coaching staff is stupid for passing up opportunity when it knocked.
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TJ was one of the only ones I saw getting any pressure on Ben, though I didn't watch much of the 4th quarter...It has been said on this board a million times, linemen in the 3-4 are supposed to tie up blockers, not get loads of sacks and tackles...
 
bigcarlos said:
Hopefully we draft the right person in the upcoming draft, since we will have the first pick :embarrass
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These teams are 0-2 as well: Green Bay, Minnesota, San Diego, Arizona, and Baltimore. The only team that has really looked much better than us is San Diego.
 
mes311 said:
These teams are 0-2 as well: Green Bay, Minnesota, San Diego, Arizona, and Baltimore. The only team that has really looked much better than us is San Diego.
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the vikes are not that hot either.
 
Can we please stop the DJ worship????? The dude was an excellent college player, he has looked decent so far. I personally think he will not amount to much in the NFL, but that is my personal opinion that could end up being wrong.

Nevertheless, the endless pining over the softy is sickening!!! He does not play for us, and will not play for us during the current regime. :brickwall
 
Keldar said:
Can we please stop the DJ worship????? The dude was an excellent college player, he has looked decent so far. I personally think he will not amount to much in the NFL, but that is my personal opinion that could end up being wrong.

Nevertheless, the endless pining over the softy is sickening!!! He does not play for us, and will not play for us during the current regime. :brickwall
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just decent? 9 tackles a sack and a forced fumble?

You realize what the stat line was for Babin this week? 0 tackles 0 sacks 0 forced fumbles.

He has outperformed our entire LB crew in only 1 game.


AND EVERYONE SAW IT COMING
 
Why all the negtavity on Pitts? The guy was a 3rd round pick, and has played every offensive snap in the history of the team.
 
stevo3883 said:
just decent? 9 tackles a sack and a forced fumble?

You realize what the stat line was for Babin this week? 0 tackles 0 sacks 0 forced fumbles.

He has outperformed our entire LB crew in only 1 game.
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I think that speaks more to how bad our guys stink, rather than DJ to Pro Bowl.
 
Yeah, everyone saw it coming, everyone can predict the future I guess...You guys see DJ putting up stats and now everyone is here saying "I said it all along we should have drafted DJ." I bet you wouldn't be saying this now if DJ hadn't done anything yet. Well where were all of you in the preseason when DJ had 1 tackle I think...Gimme a break, I guess all of you should be NFL GM's...Uh oh, DJ just recovered a fumble in the Chiefs game, I guess that makes him God now...
 
texan279 said:
Yeah, everyone saw it coming, everyone can predict the future I guess...You guys see DJ putting up stats and now everyone is here saying "I said it all along we should have drafted DJ." I bet you wouldn't be saying this now if DJ hadn't done anything yet. Well where were all of you in the preseason when DJ had 1 tackle I think...Gimme a break, I guess all of you should be NFL GM's...
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you must be kidding me, anyone that watched this guy in college knew he was a cant miss prospect.

A GREAT character guy, a leader, a physical specimen, a nose for the ball. Man what a risky pick!

If being able to recognize a talent like him is hard, then jesus they must not watch them play.
 
you must be kidding me, anyone that watched this guy in college knew he was a cant miss prospect.

A GREAT character guy, a leader, a physical specimen, a nose for the ball. Man what a risky pick!

If being able to recognize a talent like him is hard, then jesus they must not watch them play.
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Then why are you here pushing this now, why not the day of the draft?
 
texan279 said:
Then why are you here pushing this now, why not the day of the draft?
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because i didnt think there was a possibility he would fall to us. And when he did I damn near flipped out when they traded the pick.

I heard that nearly everyone at reliant booed and left when they heard the texans passed on DJ.



And I still dont understand this one thing, How is a guy whos job it is just to plug up a hole more important than a playmaker at LB? cant you just get a big guy in like the 3rd round and tell him to go to this hole and stand there?

There are sooooooo many more guys like travis johnson than there are guys like DJ/
 
And I still dont understand this one thing, How is a guy whos job it is just to plug up a hole more important than a playmaker at LB? cant you just get a big guy in like the 3rd round and tell him to go to this hole and stand there?
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Because if there is no one there to plug holes, LB's don't get a chance to be a playmaker...And no you cannot just get any big guy and tell him to stand there...
 
texan279 said:
Because if there is no one there to plug holes, LB's don't get a chance to be a playmaker...And no you cannot just get any big guy and tell him to stand there...
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And this is why we re-signed Payne, no? We had our fat man to clog the hole from the get go. We didn't have an impact linebacker. Unless for some odd reason, you had stock in Peek/Babin
 
And this is why we re-signed Payne, no? We had our fat man to clog the hole from the get go. We didn't have an impact linebacker. Unless for some odd reason, you had stock in Peek/Babin
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Remember the problem we had with injuries on the D line not too long ago?
 
texan279 said:
Because if there is no one there to plug holes, LB's don't get a chance to be a playmaker...And no you cannot just get any big guy and tell him to stand there...
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ok, so why arent our LB's making plays?

because its not that simple, Playmakers are needed at LB much more than at DT. which is why this was so stupid, Johnson is never going to have the type of impact DJ will, even at his best his position just isnt as valuable as a LB.

And why is it do you think that not many DT's get taken early on? Because they arent as valuable as a playmaker at a position like CB or LB
 
texan279 said:
Remember the problem we had with injuries on the D line not too long ago?
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We also had two aging overpaid linebackers we needed to get rid of. Problem one and Problem two. The difference is problem two had a solution with a proven(in college) impact player who came from the Texans backyard and problem one had an inconsistent hothead who had ONE good year in college.
 
because its not that simple, Playmakers are needed at LB much more than at DT. which is why this was so stupid, Johnson is never going to have the type of impact DJ will, even at his best his position just isnt as valuable as a LB.
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Yeah you're right, lineman is not an important position... :tv:
 
yeah we can have a guy that did this in college: 175 tackles (76 solo) with 10 sacks for minus-63 yards, 43½ stops for losses of 127 yards, 31 quarterback pressures, four fumble recoveries, six forced fumbles and three pass deflections while starting 21 of 51 games.

or this 40 starts in 50 games. He recorded 458 tackles (281 solo) with 10½ sacks for minus-58 yards, 65 stops for losses of 170 yards and 39 quarterback pressures. added five fumble recoveries, 11 forced fumbles, nine interceptions for 195 yards in returns (one for a touchdown), 30 pass deflections and a blocked kick
 
texan279 said:
Yeah you're right, lineman is not an important position... :tv:
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get off your high horse, a DT in a 3-4 is not as valuable as a playmaking speedy LB (notice the playmaking part). basically all u need is a big strong body
 
yeah we can have a guy that did this in college: 175 tackles (76 solo) with 10 sacks for minus-63 yards, 43½ stops for losses of 127 yards, 31 quarterback pressures, four fumble recoveries, six forced fumbles and three pass deflections while starting 21 of 51 games.

or this 40 starts in 50 games. He recorded 458 tackles (281 solo) with 10½ sacks for minus-58 yards, 65 stops for losses of 170 yards and 39 quarterback pressures. added five fumble recoveries, 11 forced fumbles, nine interceptions for 195 yards in returns (one for a touchdown), 30 pass deflections and a blocked kick
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Whose stats are those?
 
get off your high horse, a DT in a 3-4 is not as valuable as a playmaking speedy LB (notice the playmaking part). basically all u need is a big strong body
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My high horse? You want a speedy flashy playmaker over a big guy who battles in the trenches, all you wanna see is flash and stats...
 
stevo3883 said:
And why is it do you think that not many DT's get taken early on? Because they arent as valuable as a playmaker at a position like CB or LB
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18 DT's taken in the first round over the last five drafts.

6 OLB's taken in the first round over the last five drafts.
 
mes311 said:
These teams are 0-2 as well: Green Bay, Minnesota, San Diego, Arizona, and Baltimore. The only team that has really looked much better than us is San Diego.
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...so, what's the point?
 
Huge said:
18 DT's taken in the first round over the last five drafts.

6 OLB's taken in the first round over the last five drafts.
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thats pretty skewed. saying OLB's only, how many NOSE TACKLES have been taken in the 1st round lately?

and DJ could play inside in a 3-4, so might as well count ILB's too
 
Huge said:
18 DT's taken in the first round over the last five drafts.

6 OLB's taken in the first round over the last five drafts.
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BTW, that list doesn't include DT's that were taken as NT's (Casey Hampton and Ryan Pickett).
 
texan279 said:
My high horse? You want a speedy flashy playmaker over a big guy who battles in the trenches, all you wanna see is flash and stats...
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I want results, something we have never had. We have never had a playmaker not at CB. so what do we do? get another non-playmaker.
 
texan279 said:
My high horse? You want a speedy flashy playmaker over a big guy who battles in the trenches, all you wanna see is flash and stats...
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I may not be able to answer for him, but I'd SURE AS HELL would want a player who creates turnovers and gets a lot of tackles over a player who "battles in the trenches" ANY DAY. Not to mention all the publicity and merch money DJ could have brought in with UT fans and jersey sales.
 
Huge said:
BTW, that list doesn't include DT's that were taken as NT's (Casey Hampton and Ryan Pickett).
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and how many of those DT's went to 3-4 defenses?

why try and argue something that is common sense. The guy isnt even there to make tackles, how could his value be equal to someone that tackles, sacks, forces fumbles, blocks kicks, intercepts passes.... Not only does he do that, but DJ does it at a level above most of the olb's in the league.
 
stevo3883 said:
thats pretty skewed. saying OLB's only, how many NOSE TACKLES have been taken in the 1st round lately?

and DJ could play inside in a 3-4, so might as well count ILB's too
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Okay, let's include DT's as well as NT's and then include ALL LBs postions...

20 DT's and NT's taken in the first round over the last 5 years.

7 ILB and OLB's taken in the first round over the last 5 years.

Thanks for pointing that out.

If you'd like to include guys like Demarcus Ware (college DE's that projected as OLBs), then your case would look a little better.

But it's still a slam dunk against your argument. You can continue to debate it if you'd like. But you're going to lose and lose bad.
 
I may not be able to answer for him, but I'd SURE AS HELL would want a player who creates turnovers and gets a lot of tackles over a player who "battles in the trenches" ANY DAY. Not to mention all the publicity and merch money DJ could have brought in with UT fans and jersey sales.
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You guys are not getting it. YOU CANNOT COMPARE WHAT A LINEMAN DOES TO WHAT A LB DOES. YOU CANNOT COMPARE STATS BETWEEN A LB AND A LINEMAN.
 
texan279 said:
You guys are not getting it. YOU CANNOT COMPARE WHAT A LINEMAN DOES TO WHAT A LB DOES. YOU CANNOT COMPARE STATS BETWEEN A LB AND A LINEMAN.
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exactly they are hand in hand. What good would DJ do when we has to take on tackles or guards 4 yards past the line of scrimmage.? Isn't that what happened to our ILB's last year? We are still in the boat. We just don't have the depth/talent yet.
 
texan279 said:
You guys are not getting it. YOU CANNOT COMPARE WHAT A LINEMAN DOES TO WHAT A LB DOES. YOU CANNOT COMPARE STATS BETWEEN A LB AND A LINEMAN.
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However, TURNOVERS WIN GAMES. WINNING GAMES WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. AN OLB WHO HAS ALREADY PROVEN(yes I did just say DJ is proven...sack, FF in game 1 and now a FR in half of game two) THAT HE HAS HAD AN IMPACT IN THIS LEAGUE IS FAR MORE VALUABLE THAN A GUY WHO "battles in the trenches".
 
stevo3883 said:
and how many of those DT's went to 3-4 defenses?

why try and argue something that is common sense. The guy isnt even there to make tackles, how could his value be equal to someone that tackles, sacks, forces fumbles, blocks kicks, intercepts passes.... Not only does he do that, but DJ does it at a level above most of the olb's in the league.
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So we should just base a player's value on his stats? How much value would you place on offensive lineman?
 
Wolf said:
exactly they are hand in hand. What good would DJ do when we has to take on tackles or guards 4 yards past the line of scrimmage.? Isn't that what happened to our ILB's last year? We are still in the boat. We just don't have the depth/talent yet.
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We had Seth Payne. We had Seth Payne. We had Seth Payne. We had Seth Payne. IF Seth Payne would have gotten hurt, we would have had a problem. HOWEVER, you can't play on "ifs". Not to mention, Payne has been VERY durable over the course of his career, minus 2003.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
However, TURNOVERS WIN GAMES. WINNING GAMES WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. AN OLB WHO HAS ALREADY PROVEN(yes I did just say DJ is proven...sack, FF in game 1 and now a FR in half of game two) THAT HE HAS HAD AN IMPACT IN THIS LEAGUE IS FAR MORE VALUABLE THAN A GUY WHO "battles in the trenches".
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The fumble that DJ recovered tonight was caused by a defensive lineman.


Carry on...
 
However, TURNOVERS WIN GAMES. WINNING GAMES WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. AN OLB WHO HAS ALREADY PROVEN(yes I did just say DJ is proven...sack, FF in game 1 and now a FR in half of game two) THAT HE HAS HAD AN IMPACT IN THIS LEAGUE IS FAR MORE VALUABLE THAN A GUY WHO "battles in the trenches".
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He is "proven" after one game? :tv:
 
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