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FA targets 2011?

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TheRealJoker

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Given that we are moving to Wade Phillips' 3-4 defense, I see us making a run at Cowboys free agents that could compete for starting jobs and help speed up the transition for the rest of the defense.

Two targets I have in mind:

Marcus Spears (DE) - Would compete with Antonio Smith for a starting spot and help the DL transition.

Terrence Newman (CB) - Would provide us with a true # 1 CB and give the young DBs a quality veteran to learn from.
 
anybody and everybody who Kubes and wade can think help this team

NO CHamp bailey tho

i brought him up at work and some dude made a intresting point

IS he the same champ bailey we are thinking of tho he is a little older and denver was not so hot this year
 
TheRealJoker said:
Given that we are moving to Wade Phillips' 3-4 defense, I see us making a run at Cowboys free agents that could compete for starting jobs and help speed up the transition for the rest of the defense.

Two targets I have in mind:

Marcus Spears (DE) - Would compete with Antonio Smith for a starting spot and help the DL transition.

Terrence Newman (CB) - Would provide us with a true # 1 CB and give the young DBs a quality veteran to learn from.
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Marcus Spears isn't he the guy we passed along with DJ and draft Travis Johnson(DT) instead? Damn Caper and co.
 
I posted this here
IMO the LBs in a 3-4 would be Cushing and Barwin on the outside and Ryans and Sharpton in the middle.

Before you say that Sharpton is too small remember Sam Mills was only 5-9 229 and he was one of the Best 3-4 MLBs to ever play the game.

As for the DL, I want to run a one gap system like Wade Phillips has run for year, with that Mario and Smith will be the DEs. Image having Mario and Barwin on the same side coming for the QB.

The NT can be Damione Lewis and a draft pick or two. We could draft one or two of the following Jerrell Powe, NT, Ole Miss, Sione Fua, NT, Stanford, Kendrick Ellis, NT, Hampton or Phil Taylor, NT, Baylor.

As for FA NTs that might be signed John Henderson, DT, Raiders ; Ronald Fields, NT Denver; Ron Edwards, NT KC(Klein Forest/ A&M grad); Shaun Smith, NT, KC; Paul Soliai, NT Dolphins, Haloti Ngata DE/NT Ravens (he will be Franchised and cost two 1st round picks); Chris Hoke, NT Steelers; Remi Ayodele, DT Saints; Bryan Robinson, NT, Arizona; Gabe Watson, NT, Arizono; Alan Branch, DE/NT, Arizona; Aubrayo Franklin, NT, 49ers; Brandon Mebane, DT, Seattle.

As you can see the NT position can be addressed. I'm not saying that the guys above are elite types (Ngata excluded) but they can be solid NTs on a team that is transitioning to the 3-4.

The current team and next years team has to worry about the play of the secondary, was it coaching or talent evaluation that caused the problem.
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"IMO the LBs in a 3-4 would be Cushing and Barwin on the outside."
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I think Barwin always was meant to be a 3-4 OLB in the NFL. Besides being an outstanding edge-rusher, he's very athletic you know, we're talking about a former varsity basketball player at Cinci here. On the other hand Cushing gets into trouble when he's in space, I like him staying around the los where he can take advantage of his size, strength, and aggressiveness.
 
Norg said:
anybody and everybody who Kubes and wade can think help this team

NO CHamp bailey tho

i brought him up at work and some dude made a intresting point

IS he the same champ bailey we are thinking of tho he is a little older and denver was not so hot this year
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Someone on another thread mentioned that Bailey wants to switch to FS to prolong his career. I'd be down with that. I'd also be ok with re-signing Jason Allen as long as we went elsewhere for another corner also. Cromartie and Chris Carr are options, depending on cap space.

We also need a good-sized tackle for the NT in case our current tandem doesn't work out. Ngata would be awesome, but no way does B'more let that guy go (which is why we have a shot at one of their CB's). Aubrayo Franklin plays the nose for SF, but I don't know much about him. Same with the Cardinals' Alan Branch. He's huge (338), he's young (26), but I don't know anything about him.

Good list of FA here to keep this thread alive. http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html
 
IDEXAN said:
"IMO the LBs in a 3-4 would be Cushing and Barwin on the outside."
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I think Barwin always was meant to be a 3-4 OLB in the NFL. Besides being an outstanding edge-rusher, he's very athletic you know, we're talking about a former varsity basketball player at Cinci here. On the other hand Cushing gets into trouble when he's in space, I like him staying around the los where he can take advantage of his size, strength, and aggressiveness.
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So would Cushing be better suited for the inside? Sharpton would be a suitable backup on the inside, but that leaves us without a starting OLB.
 
Considering Leinart will probably be gone (SF and Oakland come to mind), we'll be looking for a quality backup QB. Seneca Wallace, Alex Smith, Matt Moore, Rex Grossman, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Tyler Thigpien - all available. Snag one? I like Wallace and Smith, personally. I think they'd do well in our system. Thoughts?
 
DerekLee1 said:
If B'more franchises him, we can't.
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Can you not still make an offer on a franchise player? You lose a draft pick, but I am pretty sure Ngata is worth more than any player in any round out there. Not one single rookie I'd rather have than him.
 
HuttoKarl said:
Can you not still make an offer on a franchise player? You lose a draft pick, but I am pretty sure Ngata is worth more than any player in any round out there. Not one single rookie I'd rather have than him.
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Yeah, you can still make an offer to a franchise player. I forget the rules as to what you pay as the team that made the offer if the player accepts but it is pretty friggin steep and that's why you don't see too many teams do it. However, if we are switching to a 3-4, Ngata is really the only proven guy out there that I would take right now so it may be worth it.

Too bad Zombie Master Davis out in Oakland will not part with Namdi Aso. at DB.........would love to get him!
 
HuttoKarl said:
Can you not still make an offer on a franchise player? You lose a draft pick, but I am pretty sure Ngata is worth more than any player in any round out there. Not one single rookie I'd rather have than him.
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From Wikipedia:

There are two types of franchise tag designations: the exclusive rights franchise tag, and non-exclusive rights franchise tag:

An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams.

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position in the previous year, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.
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No way does a team make an offer to a "non-exclusive" player and risk losing TWO first-round draft picks. Only Peyton or Tom would be worth that.
 
I would not want Newman. He is really starting to show his age and is not looking like he has much left. If I were to go after a corner, I think I would pick Richard Marshall. Carolina wants to get rid of him, but he has been a fairly solid corner from what I have seen and read. He is a very physical player who can help out vs the run as well. He is by no means elite, but I think he would be a very serviceable corner.
 
Everyone is getting so excited about FA. But McNair's statements reflect only that we will "take part" in FA this year. I don't remember anywhere that he stated will be "aggressive" in FA of make a "splash." That's tethering my expectations once again for the FA "fix" and I expect more and more talk about how well we will do with just little "tweeks" in order to justify this stance in FA. We're already hearing statements to that effect from Wade.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Everyone is getting so excited about FA. But McNair's statements reflect only that we will "take part" in FA this year. I don't remember anywhere that he stated will be "aggressive" in FA of make a "splash." That's tethering my expectations once again for the FA "fix" and I expect more and more talk about how well we will do with just little "tweeks" in order to justify this stance in FA. We're already hearing statements to that effect from Wade.
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Like he's really going to show his hand. You don't make brazen statements like that.
 
Norg said:
anybody and everybody who Kubes and wade can think help this team

NO CHamp bailey tho

i brought him up at work and some dude made a intresting point

IS he the same champ bailey we are thinking of tho he is a little older and denver was not so hot this year
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Not sure what others were thinking, At 32 (will be 33 in June) he's obviously not the same guy he was at 26, however he's as good as anything we have at CB right now. Baily could bring experience, leadership and be a great mentor to our young corners. If he wants to play safety, that works... we need a ball-hawking cover safety. The price needs to be right though.
 
Getting Franklin's big fat ass would be nice, but I don't know how San Fran lets him walk.

Marcus Spears may be a done deal though.

Alan Branch would be another big to look at, though I'm not sure if he ever lived up to his massive body and college work.
 
ThaShark316 said:
Like he's really going to show his hand. You don't make brazen statements like that.
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The only time your hand is shown is when it has money in it........on its way to another person's hand. Until then staments of "intentions" cannot hurt you. But it could certainly go a long way to easing the minds of fans........if it is sincere.
 
We need to get some big names on defense. Obviously switching to the 3-4 means some guys currently on the roster won't be here come opening day. So, we have to go on a major shopping spree. McNair better not be cheap. First he brings back Kubiak and if he doesn't open up his wallet then that'll be a double whammy for the fans. I hope they will do everything in their power to make sure we're a good defensive unit next year.
 
Possible 3-4 Free Agents

OLB:

LaMarr Woodley (PIT) won’t happen
Matt Roth (CLE)
Manny Lawson (SF)
Kamerion Wimbley (OAK)
Tamba Hali (KC)

ILB

David Harris (NYJ)
Brandon Siler (SD)

DE:

Cullen Jenkins (GB)
Jason Hatcher (DAL)
Marcus Spears (DAL)
Nick Eason (PIT)
Chris Hoke (PIT)
Jacques Cesaire (SD)
Richard Seymour (OAK)

NT:

Ron Edwards (KC)
Paul Soliai (MIA)
Alan Branch (ARZ)
Aubrayo Franklin (SF)
 
infantrycak said:
The Niners franchised him last year so they are looking at a 20% increase if they want to keep him by doing it again.
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I was just about to say this lol. There is no way they will pay that much money for Franklin. He should be our REALISTIC 2nd target, with Champ Bailey being our first for FS spot. Very Very affordable for us.
 
I think the experience and guidance that Ed Reed would bring to the backfield would be worth at least a one year contract. I don't think he wants to play much longer, so it would suit his interest.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Terrence Newman (CB) - Would provide us with a true # 1 CB and give the young DBs a quality veteran to learn from.
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Am I the only person that thinks Newman is overrated? I always see him get burned against #1 WR's. My answer is no thanks.
 
TheCD said:
Am I the only person that thinks Newman is overrated? I always see him get burned against #1 WR's. My answer is no thanks.
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Concur. We already have CB's that get burned by receivers. Why add more? Add ball-hawking safeties that can help out the Kiddie Corners.
 
TheCD said:
Am I the only person that thinks Newman is overrated? I always see him get burned against #1 WR's. My answer is no thanks.
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He's still be the best CB in Texans history, and miles above what there is now.

The dude is a solid vet with some tread left on the tires.
 
VTexan said:
Newman and Quinn and CB's. Bailey and Pollard at safties.


I could dig it.
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I like keeping Allen and starting him opposite Quin. Bring in KJ in nickel packages. Sign Bailey as a FS/sometimes CB. Keep Pollard on the strong side, particularly in run situations.

If we're gonna get a CB in free agency, I'd take either of the B'more guys over Neman.
 
HuttoKarl said:
I'd do it for Ngata...he's the ultimate NT.
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Me too

Ngata is the best he would make a huge difference in this team.

Imagine a Front 7 of

MW, Ngata Smith

Barwin,Ryans,Sharpton,Cushing

If you didn't like Sharpton you could draft a LB in rd 3/4.

A Saftey could be picked up in Rd 2/3 and a vet CB in FA. This defense would go from one of the worst in NFL history. To a top 15 defense.

If Kubes is the offensive genius McNair thinks he is. Then the playoffs shouldn't be out of reach.

The question is 2 1st's (Ngata) worth making making the playoffs next yr.

If you consider Ngata a 1st the you're really only out a 2012 1st. With Smithiaks draft record this should be a no brainer. Give me a proven star player over 2 unknown 1st rd draft picks any day of the week.

The good thing is the $$$$ that would be spent on two 1st rd picks would off set most of the $$$$ that would be spent on Ngata.

These are the types of bold moves that the Texans need to be making if they are truly serious about making the playoffs.

McNair hasn't made these kinds of moves before and I dont see him making them in the future. Unfortunately
 
Champ Bailey for the right price.

We had a major issue with the secondary this year, he is one of the best corners to play the game. He is by no means what he was maybe 4-5 years ago, but his experience, leadership, and knowledge ON the field are something that cannot be overlooked.

KJ said he tries to model his game after Champ Bailey, who better to learn from than the Champ himself.

I wouldn't mind him getting some work at FS and occasionally coming up to play CB and rotating Nolan in.

He wants out of Denver, I would think he would like to come here, and I hope we are able to bring him in under a contract that fits what his new role as an aging player would be.
 
DerekLee1 said:
I like keeping Allen and starting him opposite Quin. Bring in KJ in nickel packages. Sign Bailey as a FS/sometimes CB. Keep Pollard on the strong side, particularly in run situations.

If we're gonna get a CB in free agency, I'd take either of the B'more guys over Neman.
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I haven't watched too many games this season, but I have heard a ton about how bad Baltimore's CB's are. Do you think this would really be worth an upgrade to pay these guys the money they'd want?

JWarren14 said:
Champ Bailey for the right price.

We had a major issue with the secondary this year, he is one of the best corners to play the game. He is by no means what he was maybe 4-5 years ago, but his experience, leadership, and knowledge ON the field are something that cannot be overlooked.

KJ said he tries to model his game after Champ Bailey, who better to learn from than the Champ himself.

I wouldn't mind him getting some work at FS and occasionally coming up to play CB and rotating Nolan in.

He wants out of Denver, I would think he would like to come here, and I hope we are able to bring him in under a contract that fits what his new role as an aging player would be.
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Do you (or anyone else) have a link that talks about Champ stating he'd want to play FS? Sounds like a great plan, but I've never heard anything about his interest whatsoever.
 
TheCD said:
I haven't watched too many games this season, but I have heard a ton about how bad Baltimore's CB's are. Do you think this would really be worth an upgrade to pay these guys the money they'd want?
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Not necessarily. Just saying I'd rather have one of those guys than Newman.


Do you (or anyone else) have a link that talks about Champ stating he'd want to play FS? Sounds like a great plan, but I've never heard anything about his interest whatsoever.
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http://www.mkrob.com/broncos-cb-champ-bailey-willing-to-take-pay-cut-to-play-free-safety/
 
I'm laughing now because I'm not sure if the Texans talent evaluation for FA is even up to snuff to grab anyone good. Raheem Brock just had his 10th sack in the Sea/NO game. Texans worked him out in preseason and saw nothing there...pass.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I'm laughing now because I'm not sure if the Texans talent evaluation for FA is even up to snuff to grab anyone good. Raheem Brock just had his 10th sack in the Sea/NO game. Texans worked him out in preseason and saw nothing there...pass.
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Yea I remember we worked him out, but I think he signed with the Titans first after visiting us who I guess cut him as well
 
The Cush said:
Yea I remember we worked him out, but I think he signed with the Titans first after visiting us who I guess cut him as well
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And isn't this the guy the Colts cut? Their talent evaluators suck as well!
 
JB said:
And isn't this the guy the Colts cut? Their talent evaluators suck as well!
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http://twitter.com/#!/LanceZierlein

LanceZierlein Lance Zierlein
The Texans played against R. Brock twice per year & STILL couldn't figure out that he was a pass rusher & someone who could help. Good Lord
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LanceZierlein Lance Zierlein
Personnel decision makers are disastrous RT @KEOspeedwagon: And to think, the Texans worked out Raheem Brock in preseason & didn't sign him
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The Colts drafted a DE in the 1st round and have Mathis and Freeney. The Texans have no one except Mario.

You are right, I'm wrong

Signed
Ahman Green and 95% of the FA brought in
 
HoustonFrog said:
http://twitter.com/#!/LanceZierlein





The Colts drafted a DE in the 1st round and have Mathis and Freeney. The Texans have no one except Mario.

You are right, I'm wrong

Signed
Ahman Green and 95% of the FA brought in
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Does there have to be a right and wrong? Can't there just be a difference in opinion? I was just pointing out that the Texans are not the only team that didn't think he was worth the contract he was seeking. And we don't know if the Texans even made him an offer or if they told him that he didn't fit what they are looking for. I just think that to say they can't evaluate talent because of Raheem Brock is ridiculous.

Now if you want to throw in all the other selections that didn't pan out, that statement gains a bit more credibility.
 
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JB said:
Does there have to be a right and wrong? Can't there just be a difference in opinion? I was just pointing out that the Texans are not the only team that didn't think he was worth the contract he was seeking. And we don't know if the Texans even made him an offer or if they told him that he didn't fit what they are looking for. I just think that to say they can't evaluate talent because of Raheem Brock is ridiculous.

Now if you want to throw in all the other selections that didn't pan out, that statement gains a bit more credibility.
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I was just being playful with the right and wrong but my analysis stand as to why the Colts wouldn't want him. Teams have needs. The Texans biggest for years is getting to the QB. It makes me wonder over the years how many they passed up along with the bad signings....like when we let Marlon McCree go years ago and he was a good with other teams. Evaluation doesn't seem to be the strong point. I thought the same thing and saw the twitter stuff and found it funny.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I was just being playful with the right and wrong but my analysis stand as to why the Colts wouldn't want him. Teams have needs. The Texans biggest for years is getting to the QB. It makes me wonder over the years how many they passed up along with the bad signings....like when we let Marlon McCree go years ago and he was a good with other teams. Evaluation doesn't seem to be the strong point. I thought the same thing and saw the twitter stuff and found it funny.
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Gotcha! And yeah, they have certainly missed on a few! But I think that every NFL team does. It just hurts more when it is your team...
 
HoustonFrog said:
I was just being playful with the right and wrong but my analysis stand as to why the Colts wouldn't want him. Teams have needs. The Texans biggest for years is getting to the QB. It makes me wonder over the years how many they passed up along with the bad signings....like when we let Marlon McCree go years ago and he was a good with other teams. Evaluation doesn't seem to be the strong point. I thought the same thing and saw the twitter stuff and found it funny.
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why'd the colts draft a guy in the first rd when they had this gem already on the roster. and mccree was with the old regime so why does that matter?

id guess andersons sacks/snaps ratio wouldnt be that much different from brocks? il check that somewhere if i can
 
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