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The arrival of Wade starts a whole new Kubiak era

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I think it does. All Mcnair will need to see is the most minimal improvement just like when Kubiak was first hired to be happy "where this team is going". Now that Wade is here and he has the "Phillips" name and pedigree, Bob will feel like Wade will need a few years to turn this horrible defense around and that Kubiak is just fine with the offense. It will be on the defense to get their things together now. I think this gives Kubiak possibly even two more years of no playoffs, because Bob will look at this like a whole new situation that will need more time to turn around. I think his next excuse is that one year was not long enough for Wade to put his footprint on this defense and that "he'll need his time."

Get ready for a lot longer of more Kubiak win or lose and playoffs or no playoffs. Kubiak just got grandfathered for another two seasons at least and probably even three.
 
Sucks, but it's the truth, unless we win 3 or less games next season, Kubiak will be back no matter what. McNair is pretty dumb, tbh.
 
I think it does. All Mcnair will need to see is the most minimal improvement just like when Kubiak was first hired to be happy "where this team is going". Now that Wade is here and he has the "Phillips" name and pedigree, Bob will feel like Wade will need a few years to turn this horrible defense around and that Kubiak is just fine with the offense. It will be on the defense to get their things together now. I think this gives Kubiak possibly even two more years of no playoffs, because Bob will look at this like a whole new situation that will need more time to turn around. I think his next excuse is that one year was not long enough for Wade to put his footprint on this defense and that "he'll need his time."

Get ready for a lot longer of more Kubiak win or lose and playoffs or no playoffs. Kubiak just got grandfathered for another two seasons at least and probably even three.

I hope you're wrong. I want to see a solid record AND playoffs in 2011. Especially if Cowher is still available. I think having Wade here is like when they kept Carr after Kubiak was hired. Regardless of the extension, you've got one year or else.
 
I think it does. All Mcnair will need to see is the most minimal improvement just like when Kubiak was first hired to be happy "where this team is going". Now that Wade is here and he has the "Phillips" name and pedigree, Bob will feel like Wade will need a few years to turn this horrible defense around and that Kubiak is just fine with the offense. It will be on the defense to get their things together now. I think this gives Kubiak possibly even two more years of no playoffs, because Bob will look at this like a whole new situation that will need more time to turn around. I think his next excuse is that one year was not long enough for Wade to put his footprint on this defense and that "he'll need his time."

Get ready for a lot longer of more Kubiak win or lose and playoffs or no playoffs. Kubiak just got grandfathered for another two seasons at least and probably even three.

Yeah, I will co-sign what you're saying.

It's essentially a fresh start. The only way this ends for Kubiak is if Wade's defense becomes an overnight, instantly awesome defense that does its job well...while Kubiak's offense sputters and plays its best ball with 2 minutes left in each game.

There could be such a huge disparity between Kubiak's offense and Wade's defense, that it becomes such a glaring problem in terms of isolating Kubiak out on an island...like his cornerbacks were all season long. That's going to lead to Kubiak falling down and getting burned too much.

Which MIGHT cause McNair to fire Kubiak. And we all know who takes over at that point, don't we? Yep.

Round and round we go, where we stop...well, everyone knows.
 
I hope you're wrong. I want to see a solid record AND playoffs in 2011. Especially if Cowher is still available. I think having Wade here is like when they kept Carr after Kubiak was hired. Regardless of the extension, you've got one year or else.

I thought about it more, and honestly you can't expect a guy to just come right in and transform an entire defense that's been arguably the worst of all time around in one season. Especially if he converts it to a 3-4. It's possible to get a significant improvement, but you can't "expect" it. I think that Bob will now be even more patient than ever, because he'll have the same type of belief in Wade that he has in Kubiak, and he'll feel Wade just needs "more time" to turn this defense into a dominant unit to go along with this so called great mythical offense that Mcnair thinks Kubes has. I could see a failure of a season where Mcnair feels like Wade needs at least two seasons and that it wouldn't be fair to fire Kubiak or Wade under that situation because "they'll be so close" in his mind.
 
I hope you're wrong. I want to see a solid record AND playoffs in 2011. Especially if Cowher is still available. I think having Wade here is like when they kept Carr after Kubiak was hired. Regardless of the extension, you've got one year or else.

That's the best possible ending to this story.

Wade is brought in, to try and help Gary's wittle football team get all better, and Kubiak crumbles (under the pressure) and there's Cowher....

HOWEVER....

You fail to make allowances for McNair just sliding Wade right into the HC spot.

To be honest, I just don't see McNair finally "GETTING IT" that Bill Cowher will have now waited TWO years for the Texas position to open up.

At some point, Cowher has to know that he's gotta' get some compromising photos of McNair if he's going to become the Texans new HC.
 
i think that a little improvement in the defense and we will be fine, if we can only allow 21-24 points a game i can still see us making the playoffs in 2011. if not for our young CBs. we all know we'd be preparing to play in our first ever play-off game.
 
At this point I can't even speculate about Kubiaks future beyond this year...

I'm into off-season mode now...

Just wanna see the team make moves to improve....
 
I thought about it more, and honestly you can't expect a guy to just come right in and transform an entire defense that's been arguably the worst of all time around in one season. Especially if he converts it to a 3-4. It's possible to get a significant improvement, but you can't "expect" it. I think that Bob will now be even more patient than ever, because he'll have the same type of belief in Wade that he has in Kubiak, and he'll feel Wade just needs "more time" to turn this defense into a dominant unit to go along with this so called great mythical offense that Mcnair thinks Kubes has. I could see a failure of a season where Mcnair feels like Wade needs at least two seasons and that it wouldn't be fair to fire Kubiak or Wade under that situation because "they'll be so close" in his mind.

With a weaker schedule next year and a legit DC calling plays, I think making the playoffs should be the MINIMUM expectation of this team next year.

I think it's a win-win for the team and fans. Either Kubiak finally gets over the hump and we're a playoff team, or installing the 3-4 sets the table for the Cowher 2012 transition. (yes, I think Cowher will still be available, as no one has made a run at him, and his "top 3 teams of interest" are all retaining their coaches)
 
To be honest, I just don't see McNair finally "GETTING IT" that Bill Cowher will have now waited TWO years for the Texas position to open up.

At some point, Cowher has to know that he's gotta' get some compromising photos of McNair if he's going to become the Texans new HC.

well if his #1 Cheerleader keeps this up, maybe not! :sbad:
 
I think it does. All Mcnair will need to see is the most minimal improvement just like when Kubiak was first hired to be happy "where this team is going". Now that Wade is here and he has the "Phillips" name and pedigree, Bob will feel like Wade will need a few years to turn this horrible defense around and that Kubiak is just fine with the offense. It will be on the defense to get their things together now. I think this gives Kubiak possibly even two more years of no playoffs, because Bob will look at this like a whole new situation that will need more time to turn around. I think his next excuse is that one year was not long enough for Wade to put his footprint on this defense and that "he'll need his time."

Get ready for a lot longer of more Kubiak win or lose and playoffs or no playoffs. Kubiak just got grandfathered for another two seasons at least and probably even three.

All Phillips does is win where ever he goes so I don't get the "It's gonna take a few years." approach.

Wade is a great hire. Best hire this organization has ever had.

Not to mention he has coached Ware, Bruce Smith, and Merriman.

We are going to KILL Manning next year. Screw the CB's. The rush is going to have the QB's flat on their ass before they can even pass.
 
I think if Wade can transform these guys to a top 10 defense, but we still fall below 10 wins and miss the playoffs, I think Bob will run out of excuses for Kubiak.

One reason I think Wade took this job is because he knows Gary is on the hot seat next season and he can be in a good position to take over.
 
So...what if they go 10-6 but don't make the playoffs somehow. Good enough? Probably for McNair. Long Live Kubiak.
 
I agree that when you look at the situation it seems to set up Kubiak for a return again after next season. Especially if the lockout does take place and ends up having a big impact on adding personnel.

That said a case can be made that this team could make the playoffs next year. If you think about how many games could have been different with just a mediocre defense instead of a good awful defense and a more consistent offense. I was a proponent of change at HC but its conceivable that with the slightest improvement on defense we could be in the playoff hunt. Even if they dont turn out to be super talented players Jackson/Quinn/Sharpton/Mitchell should all be better with a year under their belt. You would also think having Cushing from day 1and Demeco and Barwin back in the lineup would have to help a ton as well.

That said we still need to do a better job and make some major headway in FA.
 
I think if Wade can transform these guys to a top 10 defense, but we still fall below 10 wins and miss the playoffs, I think Bob will run out of excuses for Kubiak.

One reason I think Wade took this job is because he knows Gary is on the hot seat next season and he can be in a good position to take over.

I wouldn't cry over that.

Each time he get fired at the HC it's by a jackhole owner. Buffalo, Denver, Dallas. And it's always over something stupid.
 
All Phillips does is win where ever he goes so I don't get the "It's gonna take a few years." approach.

Wade is a great hire. Best hire this organization has ever had.

Not to mention he has coached Ware, Bruce Smith, and Merriman.

We are going to KILL Manning next year. Screw the CB's. The rush is going to have the QB's flat on their ass before they can even pass.

This to me sounds like very overly optimistic homerish thinking honestly. Having this much confidence in a coach that historically doesn't hold his players accountable where they lack focus on a team where that's the biggest problem does not automatically equal out to this being this great hire. Actually on paper Wade is probably the worst hire of any coach on the horizon. You've got a team that has suffered from two horribly soft coaches back to back where the players have never felt any urgency to perform for their jobs and their humility because Houston fans treat the players like their Gods or something.

Wade had a team full of all types of talent in Dallas and that team fell right on it's face and was the worst team in the league other than when they played the Texans before he was fired this year and many picked Dallas to be in the SB. Why the hell was that? Because Wade is weak and Wade is the type of coach where his voice gets old real fast if he's expected to be a leader as a coach. Sure he's a great DC. No one would argue that. He's been a great coordinator under HC's that are strong minded personalities that had their teams in order though and didn't lack a ton of focus. Wade is good at being the good cop to the bad cop. He's good at being the nice parent that's understanding. Kubiak is already here and he's that same role. They're both sweety pies. That's a recipe for disaster. Whether Wade gets this defense turned around really fast or not is besides the point honestly. Kubiak will still be here and them two together will get real old to the players on this team eventually and you're completely kidding yourself if you think that the players here will take these two coaches seriously after two seasons together.

Even if the Texans make the playoffs next year. Two softies as coaches with a softy as an owner = No accountability which leads to a lack of focus and poor leadership which is already here.
 
I hope so. But Manning has a knack for carving up 3-4 defenses. Just ask Rex Ryan.

Actually 3-4 defenses have historically given Manning more trouble. New England and San Diego have much longer histories with Peyton than the Jets. As a disclaimer, any defense whether 4-3 or 3-4 that is going to make life tough on Manning needs to be talented and well coached. Wonder what its like to have one of those...
 
Actually 3-4 defenses have historically given Manning more trouble. New England and San Diego have much longer histories with Peyton than the Jets. As a disclaimer, any defense whether 4-3 or 3-4 that is going to make life tough on Manning needs to be talented and well coached. Wonder what its like to have one of those...

I don't really recall Peyton having trouble with SD or NE, but my memory may be failing me at the moment. It seemed to me it was always the Colts D that had trouble stopping Brady and Rivers.
 
I don't really recall Peyton having trouble with SD or NE, but my memory may be failing me at the moment. It seemed to me it was always the Colts D that had trouble stopping Brady and Rivers.

Either way, we already have trouble against Peyton. Might as well try something new. Worst case scenario, he torches us like he usually does.
 
I don't really recall Peyton having trouble with SD or NE, but my memory may be failing me at the moment. It seemed to me it was always the Colts D that had trouble stopping Brady and Rivers.

Manning threw plenty of interceptions against those two teams. Especially NE in the playoffs. You don't remember that one year when Indy was the top offense and the Pats D held them to like three points in the playoffs?
 
Manning threw plenty of interceptions against those two teams. Especially NE in the playoffs. You don't remember that one year when Indy was the top offense and the Pats D held them to like three points in the playoffs?

I also believe San Diego had a 6 int and another 5 int game against Peyton. Not to mention the dismantling this season.
 
Or maybe he will Fire Kubes and make Phillps Da new Coach

if things go really bad do u think he would fire Gary Mid season ????????????
 
I have been saying for the last few days that we have to seriously consider that Kubiak may be this franchise's permanent coach. I am serious. People have said that McNair came down hard on him this week. I don't buy it, but even if he did, SOMETHING else will come up next year (I'm guessing injuries) that will allow Kubiak to dodge blame.

This is our coach, probably for the next 10 years at least, regardless of his record.

No joke.
 
I don't really recall Peyton having trouble with SD or NE, but my memory may be failing me at the moment. It seemed to me it was always the Colts D that had trouble stopping Brady and Rivers.

Manning was terrible vs NE for years. Mostly in the cold... but NE was the monkey on Mannings back for most of the 2000s.

Mike
 
I have been saying for the last few days that we have to seriously consider that Kubiak may be this franchise's permanent coach. I am serious. People have said that McNair came down hard on him this week. I don't buy it, but even if he did, SOMETHING else will come up next year (I'm guessing injuries) that will allow Kubiak to dodge blame.

This is our coach, probably for the next 10 years at least, regardless of his record.

No joke.

Stop with the scary thoughts.
 
Well, it really doesn't matter now how we feel about this, does it? Unless you are a season ticket holder and don't re-up, then nothing else matters. McNoob certainly doesn't care about or read this BBS.

So, I'm probably going to try and get hopefull yet again. Just like I do every off season even though it never works out for me. It's seems like it's nothing but a horrible reoccuring nightmare being a Houston football fan.

These two smilies are going to get a lot of future use: :kubepalm::wadepalm:
 
I have been saying for the last few days that we have to seriously consider that Kubiak may be this franchise's permanent coach. I am serious. People have said that McNair came down hard on him this week. I don't buy it, but even if he did, SOMETHING else will come up next year (I'm guessing injuries) that will allow Kubiak to dodge blame.

This is our coach, probably for the next 10 years at least, regardless of his record.

No joke.


No. I don't think so. If it doesn't work this year, he's done.
 
Bob McNair is dumb like a fox: he's now brought in a solid, experienced defensive coordinator who has also to some extent diffused the criticism and frustration of Texans fans about keeping Kubiak on by creating the impression of a dual HC arrangement between Phillips & Kubiak.
 
i think that a little improvement in the defense and we will be fine, if we can only allow 21-24 points a game i can still see us making the playoffs in 2011. if not for our young CBs. we all know we'd be preparing to play in our first ever play-off game.

Posting from a contraband phone inside TDC... which I'm sure doesn't smell quite right btw... and even down in the hole, his sunshine comes through :wadepalm:
 
The scenario I'm interested in is if we see a slight improvement, but still don' make the playoffs. Maybe we get back to 8-8. Does McNair extend Kubiak again? He'd be in that same lame duck situation with only 1 year remaining on his contract.
 
I hope so. But Manning has a knack for carving up 3-4 defenses. Just ask Rex Ryan.

Yeah but Wade Phillips punked him in San Diego. Chargers went 3-1 against Manning. Lossed to them in 04, beat them in Indy in 05 and then beat them twice (once at home and once in the playoffs) in 07. In all the wins, they never gave up more than 24 points.
 
Posting from a contraband phone inside TDC... which I'm sure doesn't smell quite right btw... and even down in the hole, his sunshine comes through :wadepalm:

as funny as that is i worked there for 2 years, i now work in the oilfield and live in dallas :bravo: but that was funny man !!!
 
I think it does. All Mcnair will need to see is the most minimal improvement just like when Kubiak was first hired to be happy "where this team is going". Now that Wade is here and he has the "Phillips" name and pedigree, Bob will feel like Wade will need a few years to turn this horrible defense around and that Kubiak is just fine with the offense. It will be on the defense to get their things together now. I think this gives Kubiak possibly even two more years of no playoffs, because Bob will look at this like a whole new situation that will need more time to turn around. I think his next excuse is that one year was not long enough for Wade to put his footprint on this defense and that "he'll need his time."

Get ready for a lot longer of more Kubiak win or lose and playoffs or no playoffs. Kubiak just got grandfathered for another two seasons at least and probably even three.

Thanks for taking a steamy dump on my day. :wild:
 
The scenario I'm interested in is if we see a slight improvement, but still don' make the playoffs. Maybe we get back to 8-8. Does McNair extend Kubiak again? He'd be in that same lame duck situation with only 1 year remaining on his contract.

I don't think so. It also depends on circumstance. McNair is no Bud Adams. He's not gonna make some knee-jerk reaction like Bud Adams used to do, firing the winningest coach in franchise history after losing in the AFC Championship game.

Although there are a lot of people that disagree (and I'm personally indifferent at this point), I can see McNair's thinking. You have a Top 5 offense. You have a 30th-ranked defense. Do you blow up the whole team at that point, which is what you risk with a coaching turnover, or do you make a last-gasp effort by changing the part of the organization that's not working?

It's not like he let Kubiak go out and pick up some scrub buddy of his. He forced his hand and made him pick THE OWNER'S guy, a proven, solid experienced defensive guru who has had success at every stop. You also think it's coincidence that the guy he puts behind Kubiak also has head coaching experience?

Nay, this is Kubiak's last chance. I think McNair will pull the trigger midseason if it starts going south, and blow up everyone in the offseason. Hiring Wade is a complete turnaround in everything McNair has done to this point: getting a proven guy with success as a HC.
 
Manning HATES the 3-4. He always becomes angry Peyton. He carved Caper's and Fangio's 3-4. Katy High School could have done that.

But since '08 he's consistently beaten teams with the 3-4. Jags, Steelers, Ravens, Chargers, Pats, Jets, Dolphins, Cardinals. He USED to have trouble with the 3-4 but seems to have figured it out.
 
I think it does. All Mcnair will need to see is the most minimal improvement just like when Kubiak was first hired to be happy "where this team is going". Now that Wade is here and he has the "Phillips" name and pedigree, Bob will feel like Wade will need a few years to turn this horrible defense around and that Kubiak is just fine with the offense. It will be on the defense to get their things together now. I think this gives Kubiak possibly even two more years of no playoffs, because Bob will look at this like a whole new situation that will need more time to turn around. I think his next excuse is that one year was not long enough for Wade to put his footprint on this defense and that "he'll need his time."

Get ready for a lot longer of more Kubiak win or lose and playoffs or no playoffs. Kubiak just got grandfathered for another two seasons at least and probably even three.

yep. I think Kubiak has at least two more years. Installing a new defense is TRAUMATIC, you know, and takes two years minimum (in Boob's perspective, of course). Plus, with the looming lockout, Wade has the benefit of an excuse in that he did not get a full off-season to install his defense.

What makes a fan really tingly is the thought that McNair now has his future head coach on staff!

This is the next decade of Texans football. Anyone who disagrees is just avoiding our owner's M.O. and the operational history of this organization. They are refusing to stare inept in the face.
 
The scenario I'm interested in is if we see a slight improvement, but still don' make the playoffs. Maybe we get back to 8-8. Does McNair extend Kubiak again? He'd be in that same lame duck situation with only 1 year remaining on his contract.

I'm not interested in that scenario. I'm not "curious", "interested", "intrigued", none of that. I could give a crap about the politics or "what if"s.

I want an f'ing DEEP PLAYOFF RUN. Period.
 
yep. I think Kubiak has at least two more years. Installing a new defense is TRAUMATIC, you know, and takes two years minimum (in Boob's perspective, of course). Plus, with the looming lockout, Wade has the benefit of an excuse in that he did not get a full off-season to install his defense.

What makes a fan really tingly is the thought that McNair now has his future head coach on staff!

This is the next decade of Texans football. Anyone who disagrees is just avoiding our owner's M.O. and the operational history of this organization. They are refusing to stare inept in the face.

I am fed up with your inability to understand that HCC Trauma is a very well-documented, and paralyzing, condition.

Those affected by Head Coaching Change Trauma (HCC Trauma) are locked away in an emotional prison. And you, sir, have the keys in your hand and are laughing at their plight.

Luckily, the state has instituted a program to help those with HCC Trauma.

It begins with vocalizing certain "safety" phrases that bring about a sense of calm and control in one's life: "Our team is a good team. Our team is a nice team. Our team is in good hands. Our owner likes us. He is loyal. Our players are well-cared for. Our coaches are working on things." If you repeat these phrases, you will find yourself in a better, happier place.

Our meetings are from 4-5 p.m. on M-W-F, and we meet at Reliant. I encourage you to attend these meetings and to be more open-minded.
 
Nah, not buying it. While the pessimistic overtones are a welcome change (ha) around here I don't think this is the nightmare scenario that you soapers are envisioning. I think it's just as likely, if not more likely, that Wade was brought in to be an interim HC if Kubiak continues on to mediocre ways.

The real nightmare is if Kubiak somehow stumbles in to the playoffs. Then you can go ahead and fear about the future if that happens.
 
Nah, not buying it. While the pessimistic overtones are a welcome change (ha) around here I don't think this is the nightmare scenario that you soapers are envisioning. I think it's just as likely, if not more likely, that Wade was brought in to be an interim HC if Kubiak continues on to mediocre ways.

The real nightmare is if Kubiak somehow stumbles in to the playoffs. Then you can go ahead and fear about the future if that happens.

Uh....so if Wade indeed became an interim coach, how do you think this organization is going to act at the end of a season when the interim term is up for Wade?

Should I expect something different, or should I expect a *traumatic change?



*Trauma: The reason we won't do what we should do. Because nobody wants pain in life. That would be awful.
 
Uh....so if Wade indeed became an interim coach, how do you think this organization is going to act at the end of a season when the interim term is up for Wade?

Should I expect something different, or should I expect a *traumatic change?



*Trauma: The reason we won't do what we should do. Because nobody wants pain in life. That would be awful.

"Interim HC Wade Phillips" is my little nightmare from this hiring anyway so now you are at least coming over to the proper nightmare. I doubt Kubiak will be extended again if 2011 is a repeat of the previous 5 years, but if he is then oh well. I know Bob doesn't read these boards or anything Texans related on the internet, but when you have people from the NFL network coming to your training camp and talking about bad decisions that were made with the staff and whatnot, it'll probably get your attention (it sure as hell got Vandermeers attention). If Kubiak is given another 2 year extension without at least going to the playoffs (again) then all I could hope for is that the organization gets ripped apart weekly by ESPN, NFLN and wherever else has an opinion on football games.
 
The Chargers, who run a 3-4, have owned Manning for years now. This season Manning threw 4 INTs against them including 2 that the Chargers returned for touchdowns. San Diego has won 4 of the last 5 games against Indy.
 
But since '08 he's consistently beaten teams with the 3-4. Jags, Steelers, Ravens, Chargers, Pats, Jets, Dolphins, Cardinals. He USED to have trouble with the 3-4 but seems to have figured it out.

Except the Chargers freaking embarrassed them, they lost to NE, and the Cards don't count. Same with Jags, they are more hybrid and they beat him this year. He hates the 34 more than the 43.
 
Except the Chargers freaking embarrassed them, they lost to NE, and the Cards don't count. Same with Jags, they are more hybrid and they beat him this year. He hates the 34 more than the 43.

Now, wait a minute! I could have sworn that the Texans have been building a defense to stop the Colts for years now. Are you telling me that a 3-4 defense should have been the direction in the first place for a Peyton-crushing defense?
 
But since '08 he's consistently beaten teams with the 3-4. Jags, Steelers, Ravens, Chargers, Pats, Jets, Dolphins, Cardinals. He USED to have trouble with the 3-4 but seems to have figured it out.

First off, Manning has consistently beaten 75% of teams he has faced. The question is which teams have given him the most trouble and those are the Chargers, Steelers and Pats.

Anyway, the Jags run a base 4-3 D. They may drop into a 3-4 look just like the Texans do some times but they are a 4-3.
 
Now, wait a minute! I could have sworn that the Texans have been building a defense to stop the Colts for years now. Are you telling me that a 3-4 defense should have been the direction in the first place for a Peyton-crushing defense?

McNair: Well, ummm...you see, what I have always said here is that....well, it's not exactly a given that....umm, gee..well...boy that Arian Foster kid sure looks good. Let's talk about him for a moment.

Something along those lines, I'm thinking....

(Given the recent behavior of our beloved owner)
 
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