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Our rookie CB is worlds better than Dunta was last season. That in itself is going to greatly improve the Texans D. Yes, he will have some growing pains in his rookie season and will give up a few big plays, but Dunta was just horrendous in 2009. Anyone that believes our young DBs and D in general will be worse off without "Mr. Pay Me Rick" didn't watch the games last year. It couldn't get much worse and it appears to be about to get a whole lot better. I notice Kareem running stride for stride with his man along with good awareness of the ball. He looks to be another rock solid pick by the Texans.

Consistently building through years of good draft picks is the only way to produce long term stability of winning results in the NFL. I realize that the Texans have only been a mediocre NFL franchise, at best, since their inception, but I really feel like this team is close to turning the corner into being an upper echelon NFL team that is consistently in the playoffs and competing for the Super Bowl year in and out. I am very hopeful that this is the season in which all of our growing pains pay off. We are still a relatively young team that is getting close to our prime. It will be greatly due in part to 4 years of good drafts including this most recent one and Kareem Jackson as an example.
 
To early to say right now, but beating out what Dunta was last season shouldn't be all that hard to do in a year or so. You guys have to remember how good Dunta was in his rookie year when he first got here. Antonio Cromartie had a great year in his first or 2nd season as well only to disappoint pretty bad as well.

I think Jackson's going to be a pretty good CB though. Not to worried about that.
 
Texecutioner said:
To early to say right now, but beating out what Dunta was last season shouldn't be all that hard to do in a year or so. You guys have to remember how good Dunta was in his rookie year when he first got here. Antonio Cromartie had a great year in his first or 2nd season as well only to disappoint pretty bad as well.

I think Jackson's going to be a pretty good CB though. Not to worried about that.
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Cromatie went from picking off passes to picking up chicks....to many baby mama's got him gone from SD. I don't see how we can go wrong with the best DB, on the crimson tide and the best in the SEC , plus the guy is a champion. If Demeco says he is a stud DB I'm inclined to believe him....just sayin
 
TheIronDuke said:
Yeah, it's nice having a corner who can actually get a pick every once in a while.
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I remember saying this about Jaques Reeves. I think he is still our only CB to get a pick in the regular season, and we've buried him on the depth chart.

It's too early to be tossing accolades.
 
thunderkyss said:
I remember saying this about Jaques Reeves. I think he is still our only CB to get a pick in the regular season, and we've buried him on the depth chart.

It's too early to be tossing accolades.
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I was wondering about him yesterday...thought I saw him on the sideline.
 
This isn't just about Kareem Jackson being better than Dunta Robinsion. This is about EVERY HIGH ROUND ROOKIE BEING BETTER THAN DUNTA ROBINSON.

Which is what I was trying to explain to some people when they would always bring up the loss of Dunta (and I also got tired of hearing about it on TV). Dunta Robinson played like a backup last season and he's a shell of his formal self.....a player that is very easy to replace. I still can't believe the Falcons game him that much money
 
ubecool454 said:
Cromatie went from picking off passes to picking up chicks....to many baby mama's got him gone from SD. I don't see how we can go wrong with the best DB, on the crimson tide and the best in the SEC , plus the guy is a champion. If Demeco says he is a stud DB I'm inclined to believe him....just sayin
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Oh no question. I "think" that he's most likely going to be a great CB for a long time. Being from the Tide and being well coached by Saban is a very strong plus and all the things we've heard approaching the season has been very good to hear. I'm just not going to proclaim him better than this guy or that guy when he hasn't even played a down yet, that's all. His resume looks great on paper and the reports are all positive. I'm just ready to see him reach his full potential first, that's all.
 
TheIronDuke said:
Yeah, but the fact is he actually caught it unlike Dumbta who let a VY pass hit him right in the hands and couldn't catch it somehow.
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Dumbta? I have to stick up for Robinson because I remember back when we went 2-14 he was the only player on the team that would come over and apologize and ask us to hang in there with them. We would watch the other Texans player leave the field laughing like they had won and I guess talking about payday but Robinson made a effort to come and give some kid his gloves and still sign and few autographs.
 
MIAMI – Cornerback Dunta Robinson, the Falcons prized offseason acquisition, was a late scratch from the lineup against the Miami Dolphins on Friday.

Robinson, who’s been nursing what has been termed a minor hamstring injury, was expected to play in the all-important third exhibition game.

“We made a decision and as I said all week long - really over the last eight or nine days - all the players that are injured are going to be game time decisions,” Falcons coach Mike Smith said. “We thought it was just best to hold Dunta out. Anybody that has been to our practices knows that he has been a full participant in all of our practices. We just felt like it was in the best interest of our football team for the regular season to hold him out.”

Christopher Owens took Robinson’s spot in the starting lineup opposite of Brent Grimes.

Robinson was signed to a six-year, $57.5 million contract as a free agent. He hurt his hamstring trying to run down an overthrown pass early in training camp.
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http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons-blog/2010/08/27/key-matchup-dunta-robinson-vs-brandon-marshall/
 
ubecool454 said:
Kareem was in the right place at the right time....he can thank Benard Pollard for that gift.
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I'm not saying that you're doing this, but don't discredit int's from tipped balls...

A lot of players who consistently get int's get them from tipped passes. Being in the right place at the right time also translates to being in good position. Had Pollard not tipped the ball, KJ was in great position to make a play on the ball and receiver.
 
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Rey said:
I'm not saying that you're doing this, but don't discredit int's from tipped balls...

A lot of players who consistently get int's get them from tipped passes. Being in the right place at the right time also translates to being in good position. Had Pollard not tipped the ball, KJ was in great position to make make a play on the ball and receiver.
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True, I thought about that too, had the reciever caught the ball he would have been popped REALLY hard from Jackson.
 
ubecool454 said:
Dumbta? I have to stick up for Robinson because I remember back when we went 2-14 he was the only player on the team that would come over and apologize and ask us to hang in there with them. We would watch the other Texans player leave the field laughing like they had won and I guess talking about payday but Robinson made a effort to come and give some kid his gloves and still sign and few autographs.
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Yeah, that's a cool story. I do remember Dunta giving his all and playing his heart out when our team was stinking it up. A lot of the fame and money got to his head after while unfortunately though and he started to act like every other spoiled rotten athlete we see in today's NFL and other sports. I didn't like what he became on or off the field and I'm glad he's gone now.
 
I think the thing that happened with Dunta was that the losing got to him. He started to be a very negative guy with the "Oh, great, here we go again" with eye roll whenever there was a bad play.

Bad plays happen. Good teams don't let a bad play snowball into a series of bad plays and then into a series of bad games. Dunta had seen it happen so many times that he kinda got programmed to expect it and couldn't keep his positive attitude that he'd had earlier in his career.

At least, that's what I think happened.
 
Rey said:
I'm not saying that you're doing this, but don't discredit int's from tipped balls...

A lot of players who consistently get int's get them from tipped passes. Being in the right place at the right time also translates to being in good position. Had Pollard not tipped the ball, KJ was in great position to make make a play on the ball and receiver.
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I agree with the positioning thing but I don't think he was in any position to make a play on the ball but he could have made a play on the receiver if the receiver hadn't gone out of bounds.
 
ubecool454 said:
I agree with the positioning thing but I don't think he was in any position to make a play on the ball but he could have made a play on the receiver if the receiver hadn't gone out of bounds.
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When I say make a play on the ball I'm talking about after the receiver had caught it and tried to make his initial move. KJ was in good position to knock the ball out with a solid hit, or knock it out with his hand during a tackle.

He was in good position to either stop the reciever from gaining any YAC, or stop the receiver from having a clean catch.

I don't mean that he would have been able to jump the route and pick it off.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I think the thing that happened with Dunta was that the losing got to him. He started to be a very negative guy with the "Oh, great, here we go again" with eye roll whenever there was a bad play.

Bad plays happen. Good teams don't let a bad play snowball into a series of bad plays and then into a series of bad games. Dunta had seen it happen so many times that he kinda got programmed to expect it and couldn't keep his positive attitude that he'd had earlier in his career.

At least, that's what I think happened.
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This.
 
Rey said:
When I say make a play on the ball I'm talking about after the receiver had caught it and tried to make his initial move. KJ was in good position to knock the ball out with a solid hit, or knock it out with his hand during a tackle.

He was in good position to either stop the reciever from gaining any YAC, or stop the receiver from having a clean catch.

I don't mean that he would have been able to jump the route and pick it off.
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Yeah I got ya Ray...but I'll take the int anyway it comes.
 
Miles Austin's name was hardly even called. Kareem's name was called twice and one of those was because he was running back an INT. My Dallas Cowboy friends were getting upset that Romo wasn't picking on the rookie. There had to be a reason for that.

Good game. I'll wait to call him an all pro.
 
KJ looks really promising... he did look bad twice against Roy Williams (one time he slipped, the other time he was a little late on a slant), but other than that he was really solid.

But wait until a couple of games in the season beforee you compare him to Dunta
 
LikeMike said:
KJ looks really promising... he did look bad twice against Roy Williams (one time he slipped, the other time he was a little late on a slant), but other than that he was really solid.

But wait until a couple of games in the season beforee you compare him to Dunta
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According to Phil Simms, Roy was making KJ look like Faggins. :rolleyes:
 
El Tejano said:
Miles Austin's name was hardly even called. Kareem's name was called twice and one of those was because he was running back an INT. My Dallas Cowboy friends were getting upset that Romo wasn't picking on the rookie. There had to be a reason for that.

Good game. I'll wait to call him an all pro.
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I was at the game and thats the only real matchup I was watching. This guy, not matter who he is playing is usually right there in the WRs grill...he is extremely hard to shake and the first time Roy Williams beat him he had to push off to do it and the second time he KJ slipped a little but overall...this guy has "it".
 
just watched the highlights of kareems pick... and if you watch the sidelines AJ is running down the field with him with a huge smile on his face! .... but kudos to pollard on the pick
 
Kareem > Dunta

Especially if he doesn't celebrate like he won the superbowl after a tackle...and allow the forehead to burn him the next play.
 
Rey said:
I'm not saying that you're doing this, but don't discredit int's from tipped balls...

A lot of players who consistently get int's get them from tipped passes. Being in the right place at the right time also translates to being in good position. Had Pollard not tipped the ball, KJ was in great position to make a play on the ball and receiver.
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A lot of success at picking those deflected or tipped passes comes from having the reflexes to recognize that the ball has just unexpectedly appeared in front of you and being able to do something about it. For every player who has a tipped ball come right to him and holds on to it I see a few who are consistently dropping that same kind of "gift". Most of our corners can haul a pick in if it's thrown to them or if the QB doesn't see them and telegraphs his throw.

I was happy to see him snap that tipped ball up like he did. Hopefully that was a sign of things to come. Some guys have a knack for being around the ball and adjusting quickly. Maybe he's got that. Dunta didn't. He had excellent skills and hit like a train but he wasn't a ball hawk.
 
Hervoyel said:
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Love it.
 
A little something I made during last training camp when someone was sitting out because he was butt-hurt over being franchise tagged. I didn't make the shoe part. Someone else did. I added the penalty flags, for total visual effect.


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Wolf said:
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons-blog/2010/08/27/key-matchup-dunta-robinson-vs-brandon-marshall/
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Does anybody know if its the same hamstring he hurt while in houston? i remember watching the post game that night and when he was getting interviewd he said something like "the hamstrings completly off the bone." A lot of people might hate how he carries himself on and/or off the field but i just hope this doesn't turn into a "life changing" thing for him. (kinda like earl and his back) i'd hate to see dunta as an old man who cant walk because of something that happened playing a game.
 
too early to tell for jackson, but all indications are good..lets see what he does in the regular season.
 
ubecool454 said:
Come on....he doesn't have to have a pic against Peyton to prove himself...all he has to do is not get beat over and over again. This kid has it all...he can be our Revis.
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just a crackback at dunta who was franchised and didn't even get a pick. i'm gonna wait on the revis comparisons. dude has the tools
 
LikeMike said:
But wait until a couple of games in the season beforee you compare him to Dunta
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Actually it would be in the Texans' best interest if he wasn't compared to Dunta.....atleast not Dunta post injury.

Dunta wasn't a world beater here and it's not going to be hard at all to replace him, very overrated. The guy was only a true #1 corner here for a couple of seasons....and then played like a #2 corner his other seasons. Atlanta OVERPAID.
 
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There are not enough players like AJ, Cushing, Ryans, and some others to go around many sports figures are paid and that's it. Then they just never have the same drive and love for the gamel like they once did. Not all players act like that but many do and they are the ones who anger me JMO. And I'll reserve my opinion of Jackson for now but I like his game so far.
 
Norg said:
well it wont be hard Dunta was average at best
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This is wrong, even though Texans fans hate to remember it.

He was one of the better CB's in the league before his injury, much better than average!


How can someone possibly agree with this thread and claim that the pre-season does not really count or matter?

This statement is just silly, he has a lot to do to be close to being compared to Dunta...I hope he will be better than Dunta but at least let him play half of an NFL season before you make these claims.
 
imatexan said:
This is wrong, even though Texans fans hate to remember it.

He was one of the better CB's in the league before his injury, much better than average!
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I'll give him borderline pro bowl prior to injury but in the end he never lived up to Aaron Glenn even. Glenn was a much better DB.
 
Dunta was a valuable piece of this team when he was motivated, but unfortunately, his motivation was relative to outside factors.
 
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Texecutioner said:
To early to say right now, but beating out what Dunta was last season shouldn't be all that hard to do in a year or so. You guys have to remember how good Dunta was in his rookie year when he first got here. Antonio Cromartie had a great year in his first or 2nd season as well only to disappoint pretty bad as well.

I think Jackson's going to be a pretty good CB though. Not to worried about that.
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To add to what Infantry just mentioned, his rookie season he played opposite Aaron Glenn. QB's avoided AG more often once a rookie was on the other side. That was the year we moved Coleman to FS. Coleman had 7 picks the year before, so of course once he was moved to safety they would attack that side more, much like Bennett did to a lesser extent. Dunta didn't have hands, nor do I think was he the super awesome tackler most thought he was. It seemed to me that he just tried threw his body into it to make the bit hit.
 
ubecool454 said:
Dumbta? I have to stick up for Robinson because I remember back when we went 2-14 he was the only player on the team that would come over and apologize and ask us to hang in there with them. We would watch the other Texans player leave the field laughing like they had won and I guess talking about payday but Robinson made a effort to come and give some kid his gloves and still sign and few autographs.
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We have a story similar to that. Dunta Robinson has a place in our hearts. We love him! He's a classy dude who gives a rats ass about the fans.

Rock on, Dunta!!
 
i stand by what i said even Pre injury its not like he was all world ....

anyway i just realized which one of our CB is going agansit the #1 ?????

GQ will be on reggie wayne ??????????????? all day
 
Norg said:
i stand by what i said even Pre injury its not like he was all world ....

anyway i just realized which one of our CB is going agansit the #1 ?????

GQ will be on reggie wayne ??????????????? all day
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I don't think they change sides. So they may both be getting a piece of Wayne.
 
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