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AP Doing A Re-Vote

Sportswriters are idiots.

The only idiot here is Brian Cushing. Let's pass blame here, Cushing made this bed and now he has to lie in it. There's consequences for every decision a person makes good or bad. If Cushing cheated he needs to be stripped of that award.
 
The only idiot here is Brian Cushing. Let's pass blame here, Cushing made this bed and now he has to lie in it. There's consequences for every decision a person makes good or bad. If Cushing cheated he needs to be stripped of that award.

Brian Cushing is dumb for getting caught, but lets not mince words here. This isn't the first time busted player won an award. I think the AP wanted to make some news themselves and are inserting themselves into the limelight because they know that it's an incredible waste of time.
 
Classic overreation - Let's re-vote without knowing all the facts involved

What if it turns out that Brian challenges and reverses the suspension in court?

Will the AP re-vote again? How many times can a re-vote occur?
 
So where were the jack offs in 2006 when Merriman tested positive for roids. He had just won the DROY award in 2005, yet did he get stripped? This is some bull ****.
 
The only idiot here is Brian Cushing. Let's pass blame here, Cushing made this bed and now he has to lie in it. There's consequences for every decision a person makes good or bad. If Cushing cheated he needs to be stripped of that award.

Great, but how about we reserve the judgment until we know what he actually took? If he loses this award for taking Sudafed, then I don't think it is warranted. If it's HGH, Roids or similar stuff, then fine, I can understand it. Doing the re-vote now before the whole story is public is a joke and it sets a bad precedent. The voters will not have all the information and it will only lead to more controversy in the long-run.
 
Cushing deserves to be punished and hopefully will be a man and learn from it.
With that said, this has got to be a joke right? Some sort of 'mock' re-vote? They can't really take that from him. One of the dumbest things i've ever heard.
 
The only idiot here is Brian Cushing. Let's pass blame here, Cushing made this bed and now he has to lie in it. There's consequences for every decision a person makes good or bad. If Cushing cheated he needs to be stripped of that award.

I think he deserves to be stripped of the award but where was this outcry in 2002 when Peppers actually served a 4 game suspension during his rookie year? I think its a combination of an example being made of Cushing and the new age media where all the sportswriters etc. are probably all tweeting amongst themselves.

EDIT: I wonder if Justice would have written that article on how all this was pretty much a non-story had he known the AP would do a re-vote. That's a pretty solid amount of pie in his face.
 
I don't care what happened in the past with other players......that has nothing to do with Cushing. When you put banned substances into your body, you take the risk of public humiliation and shame. Cushing has to deal with the repercussions and I don't really care if he's stripped of every award and accolade. Hopefully he's shamed so bad that nothing like this will EVER happen again.
 
The only idiot here is Brian Cushing. Let's pass blame here, Cushing made this bed and now he has to lie in it. There's consequences for every decision a person makes good or bad. If Cushing cheated he needs to be stripped of that award.
Cushing making a mistake in NO WAY precludes sportwriters from being Id*o*s themselves. The AP has had precedent to do this before, but only now, THIS time decided to pull the trigger.

It's not like Cush has to give back his Pro Bowl bonus, so what's the point?
 
So now that they are re-voting.... who is the new favorite for 2010 DROY? I'm fairly confident its not gonna be Cushing so between Byrd, Orakpo and Matthews who gets it? Personally I think I'd have to go Orakpo.
 
Cushing making a mistake in NO WAY precludes sportwriters from being Id*o*s themselves. The AP has had precedent to do this before, but only now, THIS time decided to pull the trigger.

It's not like Cush has to give back his Pro Bowl bonus, so what's the point?

Who cares if they haven't pulled the trigger before? Sports Writers are growing more and more intolerant of athletes who use HGH and other steroids. Cushing put himself in this situation and he has nobody to blame, but himself. The only reason why people are getting upset with the decision of the AP or even care is, because it's happening to "their" guy. Frankly I'd rather he lose the award then having to listen to people everywhere constantly say how he doesn't deserve it, because he cheated.
 
Who cares if they haven't pulled the trigger before? Sports Writers are growing more and more intolerant of athletes who use HGH and other steroids. Cushing put himself in this situation and he has nobody to blame, but himself. The only reason why people are getting upset with the decision of the AP or even care is, because it's happening to "their" guy. Frankly I'd rather he lose the award then having to listen to people everywhere constantly say how he doesn't deserve it, because he cheated.
Uhm, no. I'm upset that they just now decided to pull the trigger because it isn't one of their big markets in CA or NY that they'll be pi**ing off. I blame Cushing for what he did. His punishment is a 4-game suspension. Cushing, however, didn't call for this silly re-vote, the AP did. I'm blaming THEM for THEIR actions.
 
Here is the thing I have heard and seen reports of many NFL players using steroids without getting caught. If true, how do we know who is cheating and who is not? We don't. I have heard he is not the only one by any means. So, are they just going to give the award from one cheater to the next? Well, without any testing to these new front runners that seems to be the case IMO. I say these guys should be tested before hand it is only fair but even that does not mean they were not on anything at some point and time. Does it? Just saying.
 
Uhm, no. I'm upset that they just now decided to pull the trigger because it isn't one of their big markets in CA or NY that they'll be pi**ing off. I blame Cushing for what he did. His punishment is a 4-game suspension. Cushing, however, didn't call for this silly re-vote, the AP did. I'm blaming THEM for THEIR actions.

San Diego isn't a huge market.... So I don't get that argument at all. I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with this, because THIS ISN'T THE NFL'S DECISION. It's the AP's and the AP is a collection of writers from across the country. As far as blaming them for their actions.....they're taking the correct actions regardless if they didn't have the balls to do it in the past. Now a precedent is set, so now players will be stripped of awards if caught cheating.....GOOD, they deserve it.
 
Paul Kuharskys take:

After a positive test that put Brian Cushing in violation of the league’s policy against performance enhancing drugs, we're asking if the Houston Texans star should be stripped of his defensive rookie of the year award from last season.

I think it’s too simple a question, and not the right one -- even as the Associated Press is having a re-vote.

Cushing reportedly failed the test in September. He wasn’t told he’d be suspended until February. He didn’t get word on his appeal until recently.

Cushing was eligible to play last season. How then can he be stripped? There is not a separate category of players with positive tests registered and being processed too slowly. Do we really want one?

I don’t. I want a faster process that assures that all the guys on the field are even, none benefitting from any unnatural advantages.

I also worry about an AP reversal nudging the league over the edge and onto a slippery slope. If Cushing is stripped, every award winner would be under a microscope he doesn't necessarily deserve.

And in what people like to call the ultimate team game, might not your performance-enhancing drug use help put a player in position for awards and the sort of contractual rewards that can come with them?

Let's say an offensive player of the year is a running back and some of his linemen tested positive. Maybe there's a quarterback who is protected by that line or registers some of his numbers by throwing to an enhanced receiver. Maybe there are defensive tackles who keep an MVP middle linebacker clear to make plays but who are later found to have used performance enhancers.

Would each of those awards rate as tainted and would the second-place finisher have a beef?

“John Doe is NFL MVP,” the reports would read, “presuming a positive test doesn’t come to light.” So we’d announce the award winners and then later we could have news reports that they passed their drug tests, confirming the awards and allowing for the engraver to go ahead and get to work on the plaques or trophies.

In light of all of that, I’d alter the question to this:

Why can’t a filthy rich league accelerate the drug testing process and expedite results and rulings and appeals? And wouldn’t that assure us, as best is as reasonable to expect, that the players on the field are in good standing with the league, and thus with the voters determining post-season awards?

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/11700/on-cushing-were-asking-wrong-question
 
Lol, they can vote all they damn well want. In fact, I hope they lobby to get his stats erased from the NFL record books. I don't give a ****. Cushing owned fools last year and will continue owning fools this year and on through the rest of his career. If you disagree with that, you can suck it.

Here's a question for you. You think Mike Singletary would pout if they took away his award? You think Lawrence Taylor would whine if they revoted on his All-Pro status? How about Dick Butkus? **** no. These people care about one thing and one thing only and that's playing football. If anyone thinks any of this **** is going to affect Cushing or keep him from bringing it strong when his suspension is over, you've got another thing coming.
 
Here is the thing I have heard and seen reports of many NFL players using steroids without getting caught. If true, how do we know who is cheating and who is not? We don't. I have heard he is not the only one by any means. So, are they just going to give the award from one cheater to the next? Well, without any testing to these new front runners that seems to be the case IMO. I say these guys should be tested before hand it is only fair but even that does not mean they were not on anything at some point and time. Does it? Just saying.
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The only idiot here is Brian Cushing. Let's pass blame here, Cushing made this bed and now he has to lie in it. There's consequences for every decision a person makes good or bad. If Cushing cheated he needs to be stripped of that award.

matthews told me he was juiceing also... after they vote him in ima request a revote...this is all nonsense...who doesnt use roids in some shape and form.? the qbs and kickers? ill bet most qbs have takin roids in high school and/or college also. everyone who says "cushing needs to pay the price for cheating" get out from under your damn rock!
 
matthews told me he was juiceing also... after they vote him in ima request a revote...this is all nonsense...who doesnt use roids in some shape and form.? the qbs and kickers? ill bet most qbs have takin roids in high school and/or college also. everyone who says "cushing needs to pay the price for cheating" get out from under your damn rock!
This is why I brought up the point of giving the same award from one cheater to another. What is the point?
 
if all texans DID NOT TAKE ROIDS we would be 0-16 EVERY year...so buy your season tickets and watch the roid rage idiots
 
Maybe they should just can the award for 2009 and start over next season. Just a thought.
 
ima reach blindly and say if i remember correctly Demarcus Ware broke his neck or atleast he was carted off field in a stretcher with a neck brace and then 6 days later the dallas cowboys played and BEAT the super bowl champs and made a important sack at the end of the game...he played all four quarters...sounds like a hell of a Wheaties commercial to me.. his awards
# 2007 All Iron Award Winner
# 2008 Galloping Gobbler Award Winner
# 2008 NFL Butkus Award winner
# NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
lets take all those awards away cause I think he took some sort of drug....
 
Maybe they should just can the award for 2009 and start over next season. Just a thought.

he will not play all games in 2010, so i dont think cush qualifies for any awards... i know he doesnt qualify for pro bowl.
 
he will not play all games in 2010, so i dont think cush qualifies for any awards... i know he doesnt qualify for pro bowl.
It still might be better than just handing the award to someone else at this point.
 
Here may lie the answer....... "The Merriman Rule" established in 2007:


Chargers LB supports the "Merriman Rule"
By Mike Klis
Denver Post Staff Writer
Posted: 02/07/2007 01:00:00 AM MST


Ko Olina, Hawaii - To his credit, Shawne Merriman didn't allow the elevator doors to close.

As he moved from the lobby of JW Marriott Ihilani Resort & Spa to the elevator banks here Tuesday, Merriman had been asked about his decision to honor his Pro Bowl commitment, even though the San Diego Chargers' outside linebacker well understood he would serve as the game's lightning rod.

"No, I'm not embarrassed," Merriman said while holding the elevator doors open - and quite easily, at that. "The fans wanted me here. If the fans didn't want me here, I wouldn't have been here. But it was the fans who decided they wanted to see me play and I'm honored by that. I think I would disappoint the fans if I didn't show up."

In future years, players in Merriman's situation may be barred by what is likely to be known as the "Merriman Rule." Earlier this season, Merriman tested positive for steroids and, though he denied the charge, the league ordered him to serve a four-game suspension.

Merriman's supreme athletic skills and steroid allegations collided into controversy later this season when, despite his suspension, he became mentioned as a defensive player of the year candidate. Miami's Jason Taylor, who eventually received the award, and later Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey said they thought honoring a player charged with taking steroids would be sending a terrible message.

Roger Goodell agrees, and there were reports last week the NFL commissioner will prohibit any player who tests positive for performance-enhancing drugs from individual postseason awards, including the Pro Bowl.

The rule likely will be formalized in the offseason - to the overwhelming support of the league's top players. Including Merriman.

"I think it's a good rule for the NFL," Merriman said. "That way you make sure every player got here on their own merits."


Said Broncos safety John Lynch: "I like the kid. He's a very respectful person and obviously a great player. But we've got rules and I applaud the league for always being ahead of the curve."

Many players were impressed by Merriman's presence here this week, when so many other stars would have come up with a mysterious injury to avoid embarrassment or scrutiny.

"He's not that way," Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson said. "He's not going to duck it. He wants to do the right thing."

Merriman, Taylor and Bailey are all here this week, preparing for Saturday's Pro Bowl.

"It's not awkward for me," Taylor said. "I would love for him to be on our team. And we'll talk and have a couple mai tai's."

LINK
 
NFL live just had John Clayton on (who has a vote for DROY), and he said he would still vote for Cushing if he came out and told the public what exactly he tested positive for. So why is Cush being so quiet? If he wants to keep his award he should just say what triggered the positive test. FYI voters have till noon wednesday to vote.
 
Roger Goodell doesn't control the AP though (Which is the group of people doing the re-votes).

EDIT: And nothing has come of Cushing's 2009 PB nomination.

Don't kill the messenger. This is a very fresh story. Would it shock anyone if the NFL announces just that in the near future?
 
It's not really like the DROY award is that prestigious anyway IMO. It's just a bunch of sportswriters who sit on their ass on Sundays waiting to be amazed. That being said, i'm not surprised Byrd didn't win it in the first place because he made the "flashy" interceptions and is so amazing, even though all of them were off of deflections of some sort.

I personally know that Cushing kicks ass, we all know Cushing kicks ass, most of America still probably thinks he kicks ass, Justin Fargas knows he kicks ass, so who really cares what some sportswriters think?
 
NFL live just had John Clayton on (who has a vote for DROY), and he said he would still vote for Cushing if he came out and told the public what exactly he tested positive for. So why is Cush being so quiet? If he wants to keep his award he should just say what triggered the positive test. FYI voters have till noon wednesday to vote.
Without any doubt he should come clean. I have been saying that all along.
 
If this supposed violation occured in September 2009, why was he allowed to play during the season at all? If it was serious, the four game suspension should have been served last year
 
So where were the jack offs in 2006 when Merriman tested positive for roids. He had just won the DROY award in 2005, yet did he get stripped? This is some bull ****.

As bad as I don't want to this but, that's because Merriman plays for a "known football team", sorta speak. They are only doing this, IMO only because we are the Texans and it just seems like anyway possible whatever happens they are going to try and put us down. But Cush being out 4 games, we still gonna make the playoffs, they gonna have to do better than that. It's our time...
 
If this supposed violation occured in September 2009, why was he allowed to play during the season at all? If it was serious, the four game suspension should have been served last year

Appeals process.

Don't kill the messenger. This is a very fresh story. Would it shock anyone if the NFL announces just that in the near future?

I don't think Cushing is eligible for the 2010 PB because of this suspension. As far as the NFL is concerned (currently) he won't be up for any (NFL) awards in 2010 but 2009 is a-ok.

Also, the Merriman rule was because he went to the Pro Bowl in the same season as serving a suspension for a banned substance and Goodell didn't like it. As far as the Merriman rule is concerned Cushing is up for nothing in 2010 no matter how well he plays in 12 games.
 
If this supposed violation occured in September 2009, why was he allowed to play during the season at all? If it was serious, the four game suspension should have been served last year

When I was saying that there was no accurate chronology of the time line, I was questioning the length of time from appeal presented to appeal acted upon to announcement of suspension. This tends to tell me that the final decision to the submitted appeal did not occur until after the postseason was completed.
 
matthews told me he was juiceing also... after they vote him in ima request a revote...this is all nonsense...who doesnt use roids in some shape and form.? the qbs and kickers? ill bet most qbs have takin roids in high school and/or college also. everyone who says "cushing needs to pay the price for cheating" get out from under your damn rock!

:rolleyes:

Oh god, is that now what we've come to. In a sad attempt to wash away the shame, we've gone to the "everybody's doing it, so let's accept it" card.

I didn't like steroid users before it stained our team and I'm not going to except it now, because it stained our team. Not everybody in the league is dirty....that's nonsense. There are players who cheat and then there are players who are clean and compete the right way, not everybody in the league is dirty.

Cushing and every other steriod user needs to pay the price once they get caught.
 
:rolleyes:

Oh god, is that now what we've come to. In a sad attempt to wash away the shame, we've gone to the "everybody's doing it, so let's accept it" card.

I didn't like steroid users before it stained our team and I'm not going to except it now, because it stained our team. Not everybody in the league is dirty....that's nonsense. There are players who cheat and then there are players who are clean and compete the right way, not everybody in the league is dirty.

Cushing and every other steriod user needs to pay the price once they get caught.

I agree with everything your saying but untill the info on what Cushing tested positive for is released or leaked, we shouldn't jump to conclusions.
 
:rolleyes:

Oh god, is that now what we've come to. In a sad attempt to wash away the shame, we've gone to the "everybody's doing it, so let's accept it" card.

I didn't like steroid users before it stained our team and I'm not going to except it now, because it stained our team. Not everybody in the league is dirty....that's nonsense. There are players who cheat and then there are players who are clean and compete the right way, not everybody in the league is dirty.
Maybe not every but quite a few are. I am not accepting anything. Just saying.
 
:rolleyes:

Oh god, is that now what we've come to. In a sad attempt to wash away the shame, we've gone to the "everybody's doing it, so let's accept it" card.

I didn't like steroid users before it stained our team and I'm not going to except it now, because it stained our team. Not everybody in the league is dirty....that's nonsense. There are players who cheat and then there are players who are clean and compete the right way, not everybody in the league is dirty.

Cushing and every other steriod user needs to pay the price once they get caught.

Oh, so you know for sure he tested positive for steroids?
 
If Cushing isn't going to come out and say what chemical failed him then I think it's safe to assume the worst.
 
man i just do not care about steroids or that players use them. i have no problem with it at all in sports.
 
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