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WalterFootball 2010 Mock Draft

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WalterFootball has an updated mock draft with the Texans taking Dan Williams, defensive tackle from Tennessee:

If Donovan Warren and Earl Thomas are both off the board, the Texans will be in a really tough spot. They'll either have to trade up for one of those two guys, or move down about 10 spots. As it stands now, the only players who remotely make any sort of sense here are: Damian Williams, Dan Williams, Sean Weatherspoon, Brandon Ghee and Taylor Mays.

Of those options, Dan Williams is the only non-reach who satisfied a dire need. The Texans could really use a solid nose tackle to bolster their defensive interior, and Williams is coming off a great year in Monte Kiffin's defense.
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I like Dan Williams and I don't have any problems with this pick if Donovan Warren and Joe Haden are both gone. Williams is not only a best in the trenches but he can get after the QB and do more then just take up space.
 
There's a lot of talk about Williams not being a self starter. The last thing this D-Line needs is another 1st round D-lineman who has to be motivated to play. One Williams who has to be told to play hard is enough for me.

If Price is there I would consider him, but I can't get excited about Williams.
 
Admittedly, I've just begun taking a look at this years crop. That said, one thing that I've seen quite a bit while reading up on Williams is that his game is very inconsistent.

I understand these analysis are oft incorrect. I just thought I'd point it out.

That will help Williams' draft stock, which currently suggests that he will probably be taken sometime in the third round of the 2010 draft. Consistency will probably prevent him from going off the board any earlier, but he has all the makings of a steal on Day 2.
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http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2435

Williams may only have to convince scouts that his senior campaign wasn't a fluke to rank among the elite in what some believe is an historic class of interior defensive linemen.
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1125522

Weaknesses:
Extremely inconsistent --- Effort / Motor runs hot and cold --- Does not always use proper leverage --- Limited repertoire of moves --- Will not offer much as a pass rusher --- Average hand use --- Struggles to get off blocks at times --- Has serious issues with conditioning and stamina.
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Talented prospect who can be as good as he wants to be but shaky intangibles are a big concern --- Showed what an impact player he is capable of being at times as a senior but the key will be keeping him in shape and motivated --- Boom or Bust.
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http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DT/Dan-Williams.php
 
HOU-TEX said:
Admittedly, I've just begun taking a look at this years crop. That said, one thing that I've seen quite a bit while reading up on Williams is that his game is very inconsistent.

I understand these analysis are oft incorrect. I just thought I'd point it out.



http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2435



http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1125522





http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DT/Dan-Williams.php
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Sounds eerily Johnsonesque to me...
 
Goatcheese said:
There's a lot of talk about Williams not being a self starter. The last thing this D-Line needs is another 1st round D-lineman who has to be motivated to play. One Williams who has to be told to play hard is enough for me.

If Price is there I would consider him, but I can't get excited about Williams.
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Agree. If we go DT in round one I would much rather have Price. Not only is he more talented, but I think he fits our style of play better.
 
JB said:
Sounds eerily Johnsonesque to me...
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We don't need to take another boom or bust DT in the 1st. Johnson was an absolute bust. He played decent in his last year, but we ended up basically trading the #16 pick for a 6th round pick. As for Okoye, he got drafted in the top 10 because of his age not his ability. He was a borderline 1st round talent, but because he was so young he went in the top 10. I don't like taking DT's in the 1st because many of them bust.

We don't need an elite DT. We just need 4 good ones. Okoye and Cody are decent players and Robinson is serviceable. We should just add a DT in the 3rd-5th range and be done with it. We did fine stopping the run last year without an elite DT.
 
WolverineFan said:
We don't need an elite DT. We just need 4 good ones. Okoye and Cody are decent players and Robinson is serviceable. We should just add a DT in the 3rd-5th range and be done with it. We did fine stopping the run last year without an elite DT.
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That's fine and dandy, but what about the pass rush? Do you know how many times near-sacks by our DE would have turned into sacks or pressures rather than easy completions if we had anybody who could force pressure, or merely hold their ground in the middle? There's really no question that we need a DT, and if we feel like one available to us in round one will be a good player, we need to take him.
 
nero THE zero said:
That's fine and dandy, but what about the pass rush? Do you know how many times near-sacks by our DE would have turned into sacks rather than easy completions if we had anybody who could force pressure, or merely hold their ground in the middle? There's really no question that we need a DT, and if we feel like one available to us in round one will be a good player, we need to take him.
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Agreed. If Price is on the board and Thomas is gone I would have a hard time passing on him.

Our DTs do fine against the run but we need a guy that can also penetrate on passing downs. Price is both of those things.
 
DraftCountdown has us taking Brian Price from UCLA in the updated mock. Guess I need to see more game tape before I start making comments about him.
 
WolverineFan said:
We don't need to take another boom or bust DT in the 1st. Johnson was an absolute bust. He played decent in his last year, but we ended up basically trading the #16 pick for a 6th round pick. As for Okoye, he got drafted in the top 10 because of his age not his ability. He was a borderline 1st round talent, but because he was so young he went in the top 10. I don't like taking DT's in the 1st because many of them bust.

We don't need an elite DT. We just need 4 good ones. Okoye and Cody are decent players and Robinson is serviceable. We should just add a DT in the 3rd-5th range and be done with it. We did fine stopping the run last year without an elite DT.
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It might be that they, the Texans picked the position I was banging for the last couple of drafts, but my knee jerk is our scouts have done a pretty good job. If Walter's has inside info....and I didn't watch a lot of UCLA football so I don't know.... but my knee jerk is there is no one on this board who is going to get to Mr. Manning any quicker, any faster, than what they already have on the roster. And as far as Brian Price, Carrigington, C.J. Willson, or Ordick are concerned, they are all good rotation guys and would make us better. But unless a one year lame duck coach knows something we all don't, Kubiak will be drafting to save his contract. Mr. McClain keeps putting it out there that we're taking a skinny quick DT...so it's coming from somewhere. Looks like coach smoke to me to get to Iupati.
 
Their 4 round mock now has us taking:

1. Dan Williams, DT Tennessee
2. Kyle Wilson, CB Boise St.
3. Toby Gerhart, RB Stanford
4. Mike Petrus, G Arkansas

That's a pretty good haul if you ask me. Still nervous about DW though.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Their 4 round mock now has us taking:

1. Dan Williams, DT Tennessee
2. Kyle Wilson, CB Boise St.
3. Toby Gerhart, RB Stanford
4. Mike Petrus, G Arkansas

That's a pretty good haul if you ask me. Still nervous about DW though.
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That would be fantastic. I am not a huge Williams fan, but the next 3 picks kick ass.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Their 4 round mock now has us taking:

1. Dan Williams, DT Tennessee
2. Kyle Wilson, CB Boise St.
3. Toby Gerhart, RB Stanford
4. Mike Petrus, G Arkansas

That's a pretty good haul if you ask me. Still nervous about DW though.
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I'm not too high on Williams, but he has played well at the Senior Bowl so that's a start.

Getting Wilson in the 2nd would be awesome. As it stands now there's no way he lasts that long.

I'm not very high on Gerhart, especially in the 3rd round. There's better players available.

Petrus is a good prospect, but I doubt he lasts until the 4th round.
 
rmartin65 said:
That would be fantastic. I am not a huge Williams fan, but the next 3 picks kick ass.
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Yea, what was interesting is that they had Jonathan Dwyer taken AFTER our 2nd round pick. If the board was set up like they had it I'd love a trade down (like for Duane Brown). So just pretending we could and going back to Cherry Pick, I like this.

Late 1st: CB Kyle Wilson/Perrish Cox
2nd: RB Jonathan Dwyer
3rd: FS Morgan Burnett
Extra 3rd: WR/RB Dexter McCluster
4th: OG Mitch Petrus

Trade the Travis Johnson pick to Denver for OG Chris Kuper and pick up a DT in Free Agency. We'd be set.
 
He lists Lamarr Houston as the Colts pick at 32. Does anyone see him going this high?

I was thinking he would be a great 3rd round selection.

FS Earl Thomas
CB Kyle Wilson
DT Lamarr Houston
 
Super Mario said:
He lists Lamarr Houston as the Colts pick at 32. Does anyone see him going this high?

I was thinking he would be a great 3rd round selection.

FS Earl Thomas
CB Kyle Wilson
DT Lamarr Houston
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Houston will probably work his way into the 2nd round after the combine. I can see him getting picked in the late 2nd round, but not in the 1st.
 
I'm waiting until after the SR bowl to do a complete mock but here's 5 rds. I'll give a choice and a 2nd choice. This is after watching the practices.

Rd 1 D.Williams,Dwyer, ( Iupati, Thomas and Spiller are gone)
Rd 2 K.Wilson, B.Ghee (These are 2 possible no.1 CB's in draft, they fall because draft is loaded at CB)
Rd 3 J.Asamoah,M.Johnson (Asamoah falls because of injury and short arms.) He is a big strong mobile guy, He or Johnson should be here and would be a great pick.
Rd 4 Chris Cook, M.Rolle (Cook is a big athletic CB who has looked good this week playing S.) He can cover the slot WR. Rolle a Rhodes Scholar would be a Smithiak kind of guy
Rd5 Stafon Johnson, L.Coker (Goal line RB at USC has good hands and is good at pass pro. Wouldn't be here except for weight lifting accident, Coker, think Chris Johnson)
Rd 5 Carrington,Newhouse (Has been a revelation this week powerful yet quick at 280lbs he can play DE or drop down to DT in pass rush situations. Newhouse big guy who can move 3 yr starter and team leader)

These are just some observations, let me know if I'm right on evals and what rds these guys go in.
 
Lamaar Houston is going up the boards and he might be a suprise 1st rounder to the Colts (late first of course). Stat wise he is the best or one of the best DTs in the draft and he is a solid football player who doesn't have off the field issues like some of the other guys on the Horns' roster.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm waiting until after the SR bowl to do a complete mock but here's 5 rds. I'll give a choice and a 2nd choice. This is after watching the practices.

Rd 1 D.Williams,Dwyer, ( Iupati, Thomas and Spiller are gone)
Rd 2 K.Wilson, B.Ghee (These are 2 possible no.1 CB's in draft, they fall because draft is loaded at CB)
Rd 3 J.Asamoah,M.Johnson (Asamoah falls because of injury and short arms.) He is a big strong mobile guy, He or Johnson should be here and would be a great pick.
Rd 4 Chris Cook, M.Rolle (Cook is a big athletic CB who has looked good this week playing S.) He can cover the slot WR. Rolle a Rhodes Scholar would be a Smithiak kind of guy
Rd5 Stafon Johnson, L.Coker (Goal line RB at USC has good hands and is good at pass pro. Wouldn't be here except for weight lifting accident, Coker, think Chris Johnson)
Rd 5 Carrington,Newhouse (Has been a revelation this week powerful yet quick at 280lbs he can play DE or drop down to DT in pass rush situations. Newhouse big guy who can move 3 yr starter and team leader)

These are just some observations, let me know if I'm right on evals and what rds these guys go in.
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1st RD - It's a tad early for Williams, but really the only place we can grab him. Dwyer could be had later if we traded back.

2nd RD - Dont' see us being able to get Wilson or Ghee. By our pick they will be gone.

3rd RD - Mike Johnson will be gone way before our pick in the 3rd.

4th RD - After the Senior Bowl I seriously doubt Rolle gets out of the 3rd round.

5th RD - Carrington has had a good Senior Bowl and he should be available in our pick area. His game is very similar to A. Smith's though.
 
WolverineFan said:
1st RD - It's a tad early for Williams, but really the only place we can grab him. Dwyer could be had later if we traded back.

2nd RD - Dont' see us being able to get Wilson or Ghee. By our pick they will be gone.

3rd RD - Mike Johnson will be gone way before our pick in the 3rd.

4th RD - After the Senior Bowl I seriously doubt Rolle gets out of the 3rd round.

5th RD - Carrington has had a good Senior Bowl and he should be available in our pick area. His game is very similar to A. Smith's though.
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2nd rd. After Haden I have

Wilson,Warren,Ghee,Spievey,Robinson and Cox. One of these would be good value and should be available.

3rd rd. I want Asamoah he should be available, Johnson hasn't had a bad week but he hasn't stood out. This is the definition of a 3rd rd pick. IMO

4th rd. I really like what I've seen of Cook, You may be right about Rolle but one of Cook,Rolle or m.Wright should be available here and a great value. This is one of the deepest S classes I've seen.

5th rd. Carrington appears to have more length and burst than A.Smith. You never can have enough pass rushers.
 
Walter has updated and changed our pick to Earl Thomas. Dan Williams' stock has gone up and therefore has Pittsburgh selecting him over Thomas. We get Cox in round 2, Gerhart in 3 and Arthur Jones in 4. I think all Texans fans could get excited about this draft. The only thing is that it doesn't address our O-Line, but we could possibly look after that through FA and a trade for Kuper.
 
TexCanada said:
Walter has updated and changed our pick to Earl Thomas. Dan Williams' stock has gone up and therefore has Pittsburgh selecting him over Thomas. We get Cox in round 2, Gerhart in 3 and Arthur Jones in 4. I think all Texans fans could get excited about this draft. The only thing is that it doesn't address our O-Line, but we could possibly look after that through FA and a trade for Kuper.
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Not that it matters, but didn't Pitt pick a 1st round DT last draft? Hood, I think?
 
HOU-TEX said:
Not that it matters, but didn't Pitt pick a 1st round DT last draft? Hood, I think?
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You are correct sir. Ziggy Hood. Drafted #32

This is wikipedia so take it for what you will.

Pittsburgh Steelers

He will move to defensive end and primarily serve as a rotational back-up for his rookie year. Hood recorded both his first sack and his first recovered fumble against the Baltimore Ravens on December 27, 2009.


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So I guess they still need a replacement for Hampton who might not be back next season.
 
Super Mario said:
You are correct sir. Ziggy Hood. Drafted #32

This is wikipedia so take it for what you will.

Pittsburgh Steelers

He will move to defensive end and primarily serve as a rotational back-up for his rookie year. Hood recorded both his first sack and his first recovered fumble against the Baltimore Ravens on December 27, 2009.


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So I guess they still need a replacement for Hampton who might not be back next season.
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bah007 said:
Hood projected as more of a DE than a DT in the 34. I wouldn't expect to see him in the middle too often.
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Cool, thanks. I've got the past 3 drafts in my desk drawer. I was just too dadgum lazy to take a gander at them.
 
TexCanada said:
Walter has updated and changed our pick to Earl Thomas. Dan Williams' stock has gone up and therefore has Pittsburgh selecting him over Thomas. We get Cox in round 2, Gerhart in 3 and Arthur Jones in 4. I think all Texans fans could get excited about this draft. The only thing is that it doesn't address our O-Line, but we could possibly look after that through FA and a trade for Kuper.
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I think this is Thomas second time on Walter at first round. I still have him gone but this mock would be great.

Oline.. Changing my mind on how this will be handled a bit. I now see Pitts being re-signed. I think Coach likes his play and effort. He turns 31 June but can give us two years if healthy. I see him as a loyal guy who wants to retire in Houston and help this team go deep. He is not great but solid and will help in Red Zone especially with a power RB like Foster or my guy Gerhart. I am drafting LT/OG Marshall Newhouse in 5th from TCU. 6'3" 326 5.06. He projects to G and played both positions well in Shriner's. He should push Pitts by end of year one & might replace Butler or Studdard.
 
Just looking through past drafts, in 2008 Michael Griffin (FS Texas) was drafted at 19 and Aaron Ross (CB Texas) was drafted at 20. Seeing how we're drafting at 19.5 maybe we'll take Earl Thomas (DB Texas) and he'll be both those player combined!
 
Cherry Pickin it.

1. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
2. Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
3. Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State
4. Arthur Jones, DT, Syracuse

OR

1. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
2. Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
3. Mike Johnson, G, Alabama
4. LaGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon
 
Super Mario said:
Cherry Pickin it.

1. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
2. Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
3. Mike Johnson, G, Alabama
4. LaGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon
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I like this one alot, fixes our 2 biggest weaknesses in the secondary and O-line/running game. We'd be extremely lucky for the draft to go like this.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I like this one alot, fixes our 2 biggest weaknesses in the secondary and O-line/running game. We'd be extremely lucky for the draft to go like this.
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I like that draft too.

It addresses most of the needs.

You could trade bak into the 3/4 rd and draft a DT that can contribute next year.

Using the 5th rd picks as a tool to move up in the draft.
 
Super Mario said:
Cherry Pickin it.

1. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
2. Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
3. Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State
4. Arthur Jones, DT, Syracuse

OR

1. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
2. Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
3. Mike Johnson, G, Alabama
4. LaGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon
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Blount is very interesting to me. He had a very good Senior bowl & I expect him to do well in combine. Doubt McNair will draft but he will be a player imo.
 
badboy said:
I think this is Thomas second time on Walter at first round. I still have him gone but this mock would be great.

Oline.. Changing my mind on how this will be handled a bit. I now see Pitts being re-signed. I think Coach likes his play and effort. He turns 31 June but can give us two years if healthy. I see him as a loyal guy who wants to retire in Houston and help this team go deep. He is not great but solid and will help in Red Zone especially with a power RB like Foster or my guy Gerhart. I am drafting LT/OG Marshall Newhouse in 5th from TCU. 6'3" 326 5.06. He projects to G and played both positions well in Shriner's. He should push Pitts by end of year one & might replace Butler or Studdard.
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Good job. I take Marshall Newhouse in the third. I don't fool around with it. I don't care who we pass up in the third. Lock down the right guard positon. Body slam it.
 
threetoedpete said:
Good job. I take Marshall Newhouse in the third. I don't fool around with it. I don't care who we pass up in the third. Lock down the right guard positon. Body slam it.
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Understand your sentiments and that is my reason for drafting Gerhart in 2nd round. Now here is my thoughts on this situation and why I am doing a bit differently. Pitts will be back and if healthy is the starter. Kubes is comfortable with his skills and being a long time veteran. He immediately makes Brown and Myers better. Caldwell & Briesel battle for RG. Newhouse is rated no higher than 5th & I don't want to burn my third where I get my center Walton.
 
badboy said:
Understand your sentiments and that is my reason for drafting Gerhart in 2nd round. Now here is my thoughts on this situation and why I am doing a bit differently. Pitts will be back and if healthy is the starter. Kubes is comfortable with his skills and being a long time veteran. He immediately makes Brown and Myers better. Caldwell & Briesel battle for RG. Newhouse is rated no higher than 5th & I don't want to burn my third where I get my center Walton.
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& I understand. I saw enough of Walton, to be on board...But the problem is handling the elite DTs and the larger NTs of the league. And we're going to face a bushel full of them next season. Doing what we always done.....after we know for certain it didn't work for fourteen (week sixteen brain fart) games last season.... I dunno, I'm not to hopeful about that scenario. Kubiak isn't moving Myers, unless he drops down stone cold dead or he gets injured. Once an Aggie always an Aggie. He hasn't moved his vet o-lineman out when they are stinking up the house since he's been here. And I don't know, but I doubt he makes a switch at center this year. He goes with the vet and let's them play their way out of it. Either Caldwell is going to have to put on an additional ten to twelve pounds of muscle. Or they are going to have to draft a RG; a right guard with great feet and extraordinary strength. Or, we spend another season seeing our guards thrown around like Raggiedy Ann dolls all season.
 
threetoedpete said:
& I understand. I saw enough of Walton, to be on board...But the problem is handling the elite DTs and the larger NTs of the league. And we're going to face a bushel full of them next season. Doing what we always done.....after we know for certain it didn't work for fourteen (week sixteen brain fart) games last season.... I dunno, I'm not to hopeful about that scenario. Kubiak isn't moving Myers, unless he drops down stone cold dead or he gets injured. Once an Aggie always an Aggie. He hasn't moved his vet o-lineman out when they are stinking up the house since he's been here. And I don't know, but I doubt he makes a switch at center this year. He goes with the vet and let's them play their way out of it. Either Caldwell is going to have to put on an additional ten to twelve pounds of muscle. Or they are going to have to draft a RG; a right guard with great feet and extraordinary strength. Or, we spend another season seeing our guards thrown around like Raggiedy Ann dolls all season.
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I agree 100 %! But most of this past season that you refer to is not our Oline. There was Chris White, Caldwell, Studdard and I thought another guy takes plays as starters. Probably none will start game one. Sure injuries can put us back in same scenario, but if my draft happens our back ups will be much better. A 308 pound Pitts and a 309 Caldwell (my RG starter) helps Myers. If one of those goes down my Newhouse at 326 actually adds bulk. I think Caldwell has pick up a few pounds at end of season but not positive. Let's not over look the value of a banger like Gerhart that makes the Oline better and allows Schaub a whole nother option. We will not fix everything but will definitely be much better off.
 
Well we'll see. Just like at line backer in '08, when you lost the starters...we could not defend speed on the outside. And this year with the guards, when they matched up against two teams, one with major dings in their front seven, and one holding out an all pro type NT.....we started to roll in the rushing attack. You're saying lets stand pat with the current roster which in itself struggled in September, and see what another year of grooming will do.

And I'm saying let's not wait on anything. Let's draft the 326 pound behemoth with great feet and see what happens. I believe what happens is we suddenly find a consistent running attack on the right against any defensive scheme, under any scenario, on any Sunday. And yes I 'd pay a little more draft capital, take a little more risk earlier for that. Let the quick guards fight it out for the other spot.
 
We could always draft Maurkice Pouncey (Florida) as our future Center. He is big and has the ability to take on bigger NTs and DTs.
 
Texan4Ever said:
We could always draft Maurkice Pouncey (Florida) as our future Center. He is big and has the ability to take on bigger NTs and DTs.
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Pouncy will be gone by our 3rd and I'm locked in with my 2nd round being Gerhart. Your guy is great though.
 
badboy said:
Pouncy will be gone by our 3rd and I'm locked in with my 2nd round being Gerhart. Your guy is great though.
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Maybe the trade for Kuper and Hillis goes through.

Then draft Asamoah 315lbs in the 3rd with great feet or Newhouse in the 4th and your OL is set. You also have the big banger at RB that everybody has been clamouring for.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
1. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
2. Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
3. Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford
4. Myron Rolle, Team Neurosurgeon, Rhodes Scholar - University of Oxford
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My turn

1 Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
2 Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest
3 Mike Johnson, G, Alabama
4 Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee

I grabbed two of the best CBs in the draft. According to Walter's #2 and #3. Stole a OG that will go in the 2nd after the senior bowl week, should start from day 1 at LT. Hardesty is a decent runner, rather take James Starks, Buffalo or Stafon Johnson, USC.
 
painekiller said:
My turn

1 Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
2 Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest
3 Mike Johnson, G, Alabama
4 Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee

I grabbed two of the best CBs in the draft. According to Walter's #2 and #3. Stole a OG that will go in the 2nd after the senior bowl week, should start from day 1 at LT. Hardesty is a decent runner, rather take James Starks, Buffalo or Stafon Johnson, USC.
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I like your draft as it covers our needs, however, the problem/delimna we face is that we can either go defense and get a solid CB or S in the 2nd and 3rd rounds or we have to upgrade our o-line and get a C and OG or we can go RB or some other combo.

Personally, our defense needs to do better and I would also like to see Schaub take fewer hits so if we can get Earl Thomas/Joe Haden, then Maurkice Pouncey, Mitch Petrus, and a RB we would be set.
 
steelbtexan said:
Maybe the trade for Kuper and Hillis goes through.

Then draft Asamoah 315lbs in the 3rd with great feet or Newhouse in the 4th and your OL is set. You also have the big banger at RB that everybody has been clamouring for.
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I am not as gung ho on Kuper as some. I do not watch Denver games & he does not stand out as a great FA pick up. He is 3 years younger than Pitts.
http://broncotalk.net/2008/07/1860/player-bios-denver-broncos/chris-kuper-denver-broncos-player-bio/
 
painekiller said:
My turn

1 Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
2 Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest
3 Mike Johnson, G, Alabama
4 Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee

I grabbed two of the best CBs in the draft. According to Walter's #2 and #3. Stole a OG that will go in the 2nd after the senior bowl week, should start from day 1 at LT. Hardesty is a decent runner, rather take James Starks, Buffalo or Stafon Johnson, USC.
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Ok, wait wait..you are going to draft Mike Johnson and start him day one at left tackle? In 2008 he played 2 games there getting injured the second game. I have seen no one pushing him for LT. What is your thought on replacing our LT Brown? Is Duane a better LG than Johnson? or do you feel Johnson is a better LT? I give you credit for waking me up this morning. You also say he will go 2nd round but you can get him in third? I agree he might be in round three but not at our pick.

You select Hardesty then say you prefer two other RBs. Why not draft the ones you like? You have an interesting mock but your reasoning throws me a bit. You draft two CBs, can I assume you think Dunta will not be back and why?
 
Texan4Ever said:
I like your draft as it covers our needs, however, the problem/delimna we face is that we can either go defense and get a solid CB or S in the 2nd and 3rd rounds or we have to upgrade our o-line and get a C and OG or we can go RB or some other combo.

Personally, our defense needs to do better and I would also like to see Schaub take fewer hits so if we can get Earl Thomas/Joe Haden, then Maurkice Pouncey, Mitch Petrus, and a RB we would be set.
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It is possible for Thomas to be there #20 & I hope so. Pouncy may be there second round but iffy. He would beat out Myers next season at some point. i had Petrus in 3rd before the Seniors game but he was evaluated as poor technique. That could be corrected but I have shuffled my board to eliminate him. If we get Pouncy and Petrus can be fixed, you have a great mock. Now sell me on a running back that resolves our "move the pile and score in Red Zone" issue and what round. I'll then give you an A+. Steve
 
badboy said:
It is possible for Thomas to be there #20 & I hope so. Pouncy may be there second round but iffy. He would beat out Myers next season at some point. i had Petrus in 3rd before the Seniors game but he was evaluated as poor technique. That could be corrected but I have shuffled my board to eliminate him. If we get Pouncy and Petrus can be fixed, you have a great mock. Now sell me on a running back that resolves our "move the pile and score in Red Zone" issue and what round. I'll then give you an A+. Steve
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Maybe we can take a gamble on a D2 running back? IDK of any off the top of my head but I'm gonna look into some of the D2 talent out there and see what they have.

Here's my game plan for the Texans:

1.) Get Earl Thomas or Joe Haden

2.) Maurkice Pouncey

3.) Toby Gerhart (?) or Mitch Petrus (He can be coached and had a solid senior season from what I saw)

4.) Kade Weston (Maybe early but at 6'5" 325-lbs he can stop the run and get to the QB, I just think he is something special.)

5.) Get a CB or some defensive player

6.) Get another offensive player

7.) Zoltan Mesko (Punter)

FA get a kicker to compete with Kris Brown.
 
1st - Kyle Wilson, CB, I have him rated #2 in his class
2nd - Daryl Washington, WILL, DeMeco MIKE, Cushing SAM
3rd - Toby Gerhart, RB, rmartin65/badboy would kill me if I don't take him
4th - Jacoby Ford, WR, in Percy Harvin mold

they messed me up with Linval Joseph going earlier than expected (#107) other than that solidified defense 1st day & improved some holes in the offense on 2nd. If it pans out this way I would expect Texans to address the trenches as a free agent priority, signing both OL & DT this offseason.
 
Texan4Ever said:
Maybe we can take a gamble on a D2 running back? IDK of any off the top of my head but I'm gonna look into some of the D2 talent out there and see what they have.
Here's my game plan for the Texans:

1.) Get Earl Thomas or Joe Haden

2.) Maurkice Pouncey

3.) Toby Gerhart (?) or Mitch Petrus (He can be coached and had a solid senior season from what I saw)

4.) Kade Weston (Maybe early but at 6'5" 325-lbs he can stop the run and get to the QB, I just think he is something special.)

5.) Get a CB or some defensive player

6.) Get another offensive player

7.) Zoltan Mesko (Punter)

FA get a kicker to compete with Kris Brown.
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Bolded above is a good idea if it works. Remember Kubiac saying he wanted Glenn Coffee who went before we selected? The last two years Kubes had stated the priority need of a big back that can get short yardage and first down or move the pile to keep our D off the field and to score in the Red Zone. We have failed at that miserably. A Gerhart type that has carried the rock for almost 2,000 yards & seems to get stronger the more he runs reminds me of Earl Campbell. Why wait on someone you HOPE is there? No thanks. We can get a cover corner (Kyle Wilson), a power feature back who found the end zone 28 times(TG) a center in JD Walton that is one of two players that might beat out Myers first year. Let's do that. :chili:
 
As a Longhorn, I love me some Thomas...BUT... I really want to FIX something. Complete something. I want to be able to run the football. Thats my goal for this draft and off-season. Get the guard from Denver(Kuper) and draft the following.

1)Dwyer RB Georgia Tech. Trade back a few spots if you can get away with it or just take him at 19/20.
2) Pouncey OC. He is the best Center in the draft.
3) Johnson OG Bama. Fits our system and will provide depth this year and start his 2nd.

Have I been begging for a safety for years? YES! But we have needed to "Fix" our OL since day one. Let's fix it this year.
 
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