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It is more than likely Shanahan will be joining his dad in DC. Who would be our OC candidate for next year? Your thoughts?
 
I just don't see Big Shanny putting himself in a postion to be accused of nepotism by hiring his son to such an important position on a team. Just don't see it.

I do see, but not next year, Little Shanny being pursued by other teams as their OC. As a OC, Little Shanny is still a bit new and needs one more year before he is fully marketable.
 
If I were Kyle, I would remember how quickly that owner gets rid of coordinators and just stay where I am at. Right now you got a pretty darn good offense going here. You get in the playoffs next season, a team will want you to be the OC somewhere.
 
Kyle would get 0 credit for the offense if he worked under his dad. Most people dont even give him credit being behind Kubiak. He should definetly stay a few more years. Then go out on his own.
 
PHAROAH said:
I agree with Thorn and I think that he will get a bump in pay and he will stay with the Texans!!!
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For now I am pleased with going into next season with the same coachs at the top. Kubes, Shanny and Bush are a heck of a lot better top three than a lot of teams have. Could we do better? Yes, but for now I'm good with what we have.
 
I kind of agree with you, but i think the question is , "if Shanahan leaves this year, do we have any replacements in line in our organization?"
 
No More 8-8's said:
I kind of agree with you, but i think the question is , "if Shanahan leaves this year, do we have any replacements in line in our organization?"
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Well, first off, I don't think Shanahan leaves, but if he does I'm sure there are OCs out there to be had this off season. Kubes and Gibbs still run the offense for the most part anyway, so I'm not worried about it. Now, if Gibbs and Shanahan both leave, I might worry a bit, but I think Kubiak will find someone to come in and run the system the way he wants it run.

As to an inside promotion, I am not familiar enough with the lower tier coachs to answer that. I think they'd go outside the organization if both Gibbs and Shannan leave.
 
Goatcheese said:
Kubiak. Just like every other year.
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Yup.

Bubbajwp said:
Kyle would get 0 credit for the offense if he worked under his dad. Most people dont even give him credit being behind Kubiak. He should definetly stay a few more years. Then go out on his own.
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Why should he? According to various reports the only full game he called last year was the finale with Chicago and that at various times this year ( we still don't have a real good clue about how much or when) Gary has re-taken play calling duties.

What makes anyone think he really is even ready for a real OC gig, the questionable play calls at times (Half back pass anyone?), and going into a shell in the second half?

You know honestly why would he or Gary, for that matter, want to leave Houston? Really it's the best gig in the NFL. Anything good that happens on the team you get credit for. When things go bad, even if you try to pin it on yourself, it goes on the players.
 
I agree with Thorn, I don't see Shanny Jr. going any where yet. Gibbs, on the other hand, might finally retire. Unfortunately, I wouldn't be too upset about it if he were to leave. I've been unimpressed at our Oline play this season even after two of our G's went down. Maybe it's time to update our ZBS. Maybe Benton and Mathews alone can make it happen?
 
PHAROAH said:
I agree with Thorn and I think that he will get a bump in pay and he will stay with the Texans!!!
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Bob McNair doesn't give anybody a bump in pay.

Look at his track record with asst. coaches. They're some of the lowest paid asst. coaches in the NFL.

Plus with a lockout looming it would be crazy to re-up coaches and have to pay them during a lockout.

The lockout is one of the main reasons Kubes was brought back for the final year of his contract.

If the Texans make the playoffs next year great Kubes gets the credit and McNair looks very smart. If they dont make the playoffs Kubes gets fired and McNair doesn't have to pay a coaching staff during the lockout.

It's a win-win situation for McNair.
 
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DiehardChris said:
Chron on Twitter has confirmed Kyle will leave Texans once dad returns to coaching.
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Chron.com said:
Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan said he will join father, Mike Shanahan, if he returns to coaching. He's expected to be hired by Washington.

“It's going to be very hard to leave because of everything we've accomplished,” Shanahan said. “I work with a lot of good people, but I've always wanted to work with my dad. If he comes back, I think the timing will be right.
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Kubes in the house it is then.
 
Jim Zorn comes to mind.

Zorn was the QB coach at Seattle during the Holmgen years and was originally hired to be the OC for Washington prior to being screwed by Snyder.
 
Section516 said:
So, what high end O cords are there on the market?

Charlie Weis comes to mind...

Any others?
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Also, I don't see any similarities in philosphy with Weis.

Kubiak has never not had an O-coord so the imagination says he will hire somebody. I'm wondering if Kubiak is asking Alex Gibbs how he's feeling. Not that I want Gibbs as an OC, but the mind does think that Kubiak will go to somebody he knows since this year should be very important for him and his future.
 
Of course the silver lining in all of this is that if Shanahan leaves and Gibbs retires Gary can't be held responsible for the team falling short of the playoffs next year. Everybody knows it takes a new OC at least two years to get his "playoff legs" under him with a new team. Combine the acclimation period (probably a slow start to 2010) with even one injury and we'll be lucky to get back around .500. Doing so will be an act of coaching genius if I ever saw one.
 
The next OC will have to have the same kind of philosophy that Gary Kubiak and Kyle Shanahan have. I won't be surprised if another Denver coach joins us.
 
Section516 said:
So, what high end O cords are there on the market?

Charlie Weis comes to mind...

Any others?
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We'll have no shortage of candidates. Top-ranked passing offenses that feature only players in their 20s don't suddenly become available very often. Guys will be beating down Kube's door for the right to sign their name to our offensive product. Hopefully, we'll find someone who can improve the running attack without screwing around with the aerial show.

As for Kyle, he's about to learn a hard lesson about coaching offenses: he's only as good as his QB. If he thinks he can make Jason Campbell into anything approaching Schaub, he's kidding himself. If they intend to draft their QB, that's a real crapshoot.
 
Iam sure Kubes will be calling more play next year anywayz

Lets not forget he was a former OC
 
Hooston Texan said:
We'll have no shortage of candidates. Top-ranked passing offenses that feature only players in their 20s don't suddenly become available very often. Guys will be beating down Kube's door for the right to sign their name to our offensive product. Hopefully, we'll find someone who can improve the running attack without screwing around with the aerial show.

As for Kyle, he's about to learn a hard lesson about coaching offenses: he's only as good as his QB. If he thinks he can make Jason Campbell into anything approaching Schaub, he's kidding himself. If they intend to draft their QB, that's a real crapshoot.
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Yeah. I am pretty sure that you can land a pretty good OC from just having AJ alone. The offense has some zits but overall it has been a topflight passing offense for the past couple years. Sherman was a veteran coach, Calhoun was a Denver guy, and Shanahan was about as wet behind the ears as you could get.

I'm sure whoever it is, he will be wrong though.
 
Hooston Texan said:
We'll have no shortage of candidates. Top-ranked passing offenses that feature only players in their 20s don't suddenly become available very often. Guys will be beating down Kube's door for the right to sign their name to our offensive product. Hopefully, we'll find someone who can improve the running attack without screwing around with the aerial show.

As for Kyle, he's about to learn a hard lesson about coaching offenses: he's only as good as his QB. If he thinks he can make Jason Campbell into anything approaching Schaub, he's kidding himself. If they intend to draft their QB, that's a real crapshoot.
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I wonder if Mike plans to hire him straight up as his OC or to a position coach next year. Should be interesting to say the least.

There is going to be some pretty good talent available as possible OC next year. I don't really expect, at this point however, any of them will get serious consideration. Unfortunately for Gary I don't think anyone on his current staff could make the jump to OC, so it means he'll have to do an actual search. I'm probably thinking someone who could be more of talking piece like Kyle was, unless Gary's ready to let go of control of the offense.

However, If I am hopefully proven wrong and we do bring in a strong willed OC, this team could take a bigger step forward then I imagined had Kyle remained.


Norg said:
Iam sure Kubes will be calling more play next year anywayz

Lets not forget he was a former OC
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Oh god how can we forget?
 
So ironic that Kubiak's entire resume is being the OC for Shanahan's Broncos for all those years but he can't seem to find a loyal sidekick for himself.

I don't really think its going to hurt us all that much. Schaub should be borderline OC material by now and as long as Gary is here all he needs is another mind to bounce ideas off of.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I agree with Thorn, I don't see Shanny Jr. going any where yet. Gibbs, on the other hand, might finally retire. Unfortunately, I wouldn't be too upset about it if he were to leave. I've been unimpressed at our Oline play this season even after two of our G's went down. Maybe it's time to update our ZBS. Maybe Benton and Mathews alone can make it happen?
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You're a moron! Don't you ever get anything right? Good grief, man!
 
I agree with the Munchak pick . Kubiak's the designer of the pass plays and Munch and Mathews do the blocking schemes . Kubiak goes back to play calling . Those guys groom my choice for the 1st round , Iupati along with Caldwell , Winston , Brown , and ? .
 
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What a stupid move by Shannahan. If he stayed another year and we had another successful offensive attack, he'd be in line for a big promotion.

Instead he's going to one of the worst offensive teams in the league with no QB, poor WRs, and a cloudy running back situation
 
gtexan02 said:
What a stupid move by Shannahan. If he stayed another year and we had another successful offensive attack, he'd be in line for a big promotion.

Instead he's going to one of the worst offensive teams in the league with no QB, poor WRs, and a cloudy running back situation
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Agreed horrible decision on his part IMO.
 
Agreed. But the purpose here is for him to go and work and build with his dad. I guess he could have waited just ONE year though...
 
It's probably been a dream of Kyle's to have the headset on during a game his dad was coaching. Can't fault him for that.

Serious post: Make Bruce Matthews call Munchak immediatley.
 
gtexan02 said:
What a stupid move by Shannahan. If he stayed another year and we had another successful offensive attack, he'd be in line for a big promotion.

Instead he's going to one of the worst offensive teams in the league with no QB, poor WRs, and a cloudy running back situation
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Yep, other than the opportunity to work with his father, it's not a good move for Kyle.
 
There's a lot of good candidates out there. I've wanted this team to add quality veteran leadership on the field for the longest time. I was a bit upset that Kubiak decided to go with coordinators who had never previously held the job before. However, Frank Bush appears to be doing pretty well after a brief acclimation period (Cushing had to shake off rust and we didn't get Pollard in until game 4...)

On offense, I don't think experience is as big of an issue because its Kubiak's area of expertise and the OC we have will not have as much control as other OCs around the league.

With that in mind I think we should promote our WR coach Larry Kirksey to OC:

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/coach.asp?coach_id=17

He's done a heck of a job with our WRs and I think we would have a better chance of avoiding a "slow start" with him as OC since he has already had 3 years to get to know the players on the roster.

That is my pick if we promote from within.
 
Kubiak is on 610 speaking about Kyle in the past tence so I guess its a done deal that he's following his dad to Washington
 
Here is a thought....never gonna happen though....

Mike Leach as OC.....Imagine what he and Kubiak and Gibbs could cook up with our weapons on offense....We would hang 60 on teams.


In reality...I would like to see Brian Billick as OC..and if Kubiak is not the guy after next year...then there you have it a HC candidate ready to go.
 
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