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The refs screwed us in Indy!

Air Canada

Air Canada

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Despite some of our own mistakes, the Colts made mistakes too and we should've still won the game.

I know all the penalties, but that's not what I'm referring to. Everyone go look at that play with the fumble by Moats! Watch it in fast motion, slo-mo, whatever...

That clearly should be Houston's ball at the 2yd line. What pisses me off about this the most is that it was challenged and for something to be reversed there has to be indisputable evidence yet the refs still #@$%^& it up...:bat:

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Bethea is laying out of bounds and touches the ball! It is a loose ball. So if somebody is out of bounds and touching the ball, it is considered OUT OF BOUNDS. The play is over and it's Houston's ball!

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Show me an angle that shows the defender clearly out of bounds - that picture I cant really tell
 
Corrosion said:
Show me an angle that shows the defender clearly out of bounds - that picture I cant really tell
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He's out...I watched it on my DVR too...I found that I don't know if there is another pic of the opposite view.

That play frustrates me just seeing the highlights on tv with all the analysts calling it a fumble and not even noticing it either, well cuz they don't exactly watch the games. Too little, to late... They need to show this on NFL Networks Official Review and they better actually notice it and not favor the refs like they tend to.
 
He is out! I know this was the big hurt of the game, but there was numerous mistakes on our part to lose this game.
 
It looked like a fumble to me when I watched it live, but I can't say for sure. Kubiak was foolish to call a time out.
 
Spled said:
It looked like a fumble to me when I watched it live, but I can't say for sure. Kubiak was foolish to call a time out.
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It was a fumble. The fumble appears to be touching Bethea while he is out of bounds, which makes it a dead ball.
 
Spled said:
It looked like a fumble to me when I watched it live, but I can't say for sure. Kubiak was foolish to call a time out.
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It looked like a fumble to me as well , the ball was coming loose before he got spun around ... Just a bad bounce , seems the Texans have a lot of those.
three fumbles within the 5 yard line this season have cost them 3 wins.


I think they beat Indy next time they meet.
 
He still fumbled the ball on the 2 yard line! It sucks that the review didn't go our way, and it sucks that we didn't get a play off to avoid a review, but that doesn't change the fact that he fumbled. Too many mistakes to blame the refs. We didn't get a first down until about half way through the 2nd quarter, and we spotted them a 13-0 lead. We battled back through all that adversity, and we had a chance to win the game. Our O'line missed a crucial block which cost us that pick, and obviously the missed FG was the icing on the cake. I really don't think we have anyone to blame but ourselves. We once again only played one good half of football. We need our young players and coaches to learn from this, and carry on and play some great football down the stretch. It appears that we now have a play-off caliber defense, we just need our O to show up right from the start of the game. Play-offs are still well within our reach.
 
It looked like a fumble to me however it doesn't really matter. Moats should have secured the ball period.

They need to get ready for the Titans and all the VY cult followers now who will be coming into the MNF with a 3 game winning streak I am sure.
 
TexCanada said:
He still fumbled the ball on the 2 yard line! It sucks that the review didn't go our way, and it sucks that we didn't get a play off to avoid a review, but that doesn't change the fact that he fumbled. Too many mistakes to blame the refs. We didn't get a first down until about half way through the 2nd quarter, and we spotted them a 13-0 lead. We battled back through all that adversity, and we had a chance to win the game. Our O'line missed a crucial block which cost us that pick, and obviously the missed FG was the icing on the cake. I really don't think we have anyone to blame but ourselves. We once again only played one good half of football. We need our young players and coaches to learn from this, and carry on and play some great football down the stretch. It appears that we now have a play-off caliber defense, we just need our O to show up right from the start of the game. Play-offs are still well within our reach.
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I completely disagree....

-Did we not score 17 unanswered points and comeback in this game? I think we did
-Could we have played better? Hell yeah.
-Did we make costly mistakes? Of course.

Now did the Colts make costly mistakes? Hell yes.
Did the Colts get far more breaks or no calls from the refs than the Texans? Obviously...

Just rewatch the game....

“I just know a lot of guys were getting warned on one side and there were penalties on the other,” Texans right tackle Eric Winston said. “You can’t be in the neutral zone first of all. I just keep hearing, '98 [Robert Mathis] scoot back, 98 scoot back.' I guess if you’re doing the penalties you’re going to get called.”

Now... if an official makes a crucial mistake that affects the outcome of the game that is not okay, it's unacceptable.

I just hope in Houston we get those breaks...
 
Not to derail the thread however when did all you Canadians get here? Jump into our hockey board every once in a while. I am a huge NHL fan.

Back on topic, what exactly is the rule on this? The description they gave was something about the defender being out of bounds or touching the endzone resulting in a touchback.
 
Air Canada said:
I completely disagree....

-Did we not score 17 unanswered points and comeback in this game? I think we did
-Could we have played better? Hell yeah.
-Did we make costly mistakes? Of course.

Now did the Colts make costly mistakes? Hell yes.
Did the Colts get far more breaks or no calls from the refs than the Texans? Obviously...

Just rewatch the game....

“I just know a lot of guys were getting warned on one side and there were penalties on the other,” Texans right tackle Eric Winston said. “You can’t be in the neutral zone first of all. I just keep hearing, '98 [Robert Mathis] scoot back, 98 scoot back.' I guess if you’re doing the penalties you’re going to get called.”

Now... if an official makes a crucial mistake that affects the outcome of the game that is not okay, it's unacceptable.

I just hope in Houston we get those breaks...
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I agree that the reffing was garbage, I just feel that despite all that, we still had a chance to win the game but we didn't get it done. Moats still fumbled that ball!
 
Hookem Horns said:
Not to derail the thread however when did all you Canadians get here? Jump into our hockey board every once in a while. I am a huge NHL fan.

Back on topic, what exactly is the rule on this? The description they gave was something about the defender being out of bounds or touching the endzone resulting in a touchback.
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What is the hockey board site?
 
Hookem Horns said:
Not to derail the thread however when did all you Canadians get here? Jump into our hockey board every once in a while. I am a huge NHL fan.

Back on topic, what exactly is the rule on this? The description they gave was something about the defender being out of bounds or touching the endzone resulting in a touchback.
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The call they made was that Powers did not have both feet in bounds when he touched the ball. That meant that as soon as he touched the ball it was out of bounds as well. Since the ball was on the goal line that made it out of bounds in the endzone and a touchback.

I couldn't tell you if the ruling was correct or not, but it never should have been about that. The ball was dead at the 2 when Bethea touched it with his butt and elbow out of bounds.
 
TexCanada said:
I agree that the reffing was garbage, I just feel that despite all that, we still had a chance to win the game but we didn't get it done. Moats still fumbled that ball!
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True, we did, but the calls can't be excused....

Moats fumbled-true

Was the ball dead out of bounds- Also true, but "others" felt differently enough to change a play off a horrible challenge review...
 
Air Canada said:
True, we did, but the calls can't be excused....

Moats fumbled-true

Was the ball dead out of bounds- Also true, but "others" felt differently enough to change a play off a horrible challenge review...
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I think Peyton Manning has his own rules.I wish I could quote Joey
Porter but I am too lazy.
 
You know, watching it I was thinking holy **** he fumbled before the broadcasters did and when they replayed it I thought he was out of bounds. (I didn't really know what the appropriate outcome would be, gimme a break there's like 30,000 NFL rules plus the extra 2,000 Peyton or Brady get) Suck it refs.
 
I thought if you were out of bounds you could not come back into the field of play and be the first person to touch the ball. Am I correct or does this only apply to offensive players?
 
BigTimeTexanFan said:
I thought if you were out of bounds you could not come back into the field of play and be the first person to touch the ball. Am I correct or does this only apply to offensive players?
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you have to reestablish your position. get your feet set and then you can touch the ball. doesnt matter if your first or not. your thinking of a wr, cant go out of bounds and then be the first to catch a ball.
 
It was the correct call. If Moats hadn't fumbled, we would have scored. The refs made the right call on that play. The Texans should have run a play, but they didn't.
 
Air Canada said:
“I just know a lot of guys were getting warned on one side and there were penalties on the other,” Texans right tackle Eric Winston said. “You can’t be in the neutral zone first of all. I just keep hearing, '98 [Robert Mathis] scoot back, 98 scoot back.' I guess if you’re doing the penalties you’re going to get called.”
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That's BS if true. Refs should not be attempting to help a team. We were commenting during the game how they were lining up incorrectly and now to hear the refs were assisting them is infuriating.

Showtime100 said:
I still think Kubiak is challege challenged. The guy doesn't know what to do with a red flag and now it seems he doesn't know how to prevent one.
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How the heck do you prevent one? Is he supposed to sneak over to the booth and whisper in the refs ear, have a little Goodfellas money waiting to sneak him, what?

threeputtsam said:
It was the correct call. If Moats hadn't fumbled, we would have scored. The refs made the right call on that play. The Texans should have run a play, but they didn't.
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No it wasn't. Don't even know how someone can argue it was the correct call. The photos have been posted. It was a fumble. It was touched by an opposing player while he was out of bounds.
 
infantrycak said:
That's BS if true. Refs should not be attempting to help a team. We were commenting during the game how they were lining up incorrectly and now to hear the refs were assisting them is infuriating.

How the heck do you prevent one? Is he supposed to sneak over to the booth and whisper in the refs ear, have a little Goodfellas money waiting to sneak him, what?

No it wasn't. Don't even know how someone can argue it was the correct call. The photos have been posted. It was a fumble. It was touched by an opposing player while he was out of bounds.
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Blaming the refs is ridiculous, the refs have always assisted people with lining up on the line of scrimmage heck even when I played college you could get an assist if you want, just depends on the ref and that is how the game is played.

He should have NEVER fumbled the ball in the first place.
We should have RAN a play after that.
We made two mistakes and got busted on it, how can the refs be blamed for that?
 
silvrhand said:
Blaming the refs is ridiculous, the refs have always assisted people with lining up on the line of scrimmage heck even when I played college you could get an assist if you want, just depends on the ref and that is how the game is played.

He should have NEVER fumbled the ball in the first place.
We should have RAN a play after that.
We made two mistakes and got busted on it, how can the refs be blamed for that?
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I agree 100%. Also, the argument that the ball was touched by a player out who was out of bounds doesn't hold up because the ball started coming out before that. It was fumble.

The only argument I have is the Connor Barwin offsides penalty. It sure was convenient and we didn't even get a replay of it. Just a move along guys.
 
It's funny. Several people have posted they they were screaming at the TV to run the play. I was screaming it as soon as the ball came loose because well it was Indy and the refs were already in the tank.

It's situational awareness. Here is the situation...

1. Thee ball had come loose.
2. It was Lucas Oil stadium.
3. The refs were calling the game one sided.

Even you had thought the ball was out of bounds, get up there and run the dang play to eliminate the possibility. It was 2nd down. You had a down to waste anyway.
 
(on the fumble challenge) "Yeah, actually we didn't even know until the play had been stopped because and it got to the two-minute warning that there even was an issue. Someone in the press box said, 'I think they are looking at the ball right.' We thought that Ryan (Moats) was out of bounds. But the way it was explained to me was that, the ball did come out. Nobody argued that. We felt like the players were out of bounds that were touching the ball. and what they said was that Ryan was on top of whoever that player was. They said he was on top of that player and so technically he was not out of bounds. He's still in the field of play. So that's the way it was explained to me."
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I knew it was a fumble when it happened. It can be argued whether or not it was out of bounds or not. What can't be argued is how dumb it was for Schaub to allow the clock to run down to the 2 minute warning. That pissed me off, somebody up in the box should've known it was questionable and passed the word down to hurry the **** up.

As it went to commercial I knew there would be a challenge when it came back to the game.

Thank God there's a bye week. I need a damn break myself.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I knew it was a fumble when it happened. It can be argued whether or not it was out of bounds or not. What can't be argued is how dumb it was for Schaub to allow the clock to run down to the 2 minute warning. That pissed me off, somebody up in the box should've known it was questionable and passed the word down to hurry the **** up.
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Actually, per Matt himself he said that the call to let the clock wind down came in from whoever calls plays into the headset. He wanted to get a play off, however.
 
silvrhand said:
Blaming the refs is ridiculous, the refs have always assisted people with lining up on the line of scrimmage heck even when I played college you could get an assist if you want, just depends on the ref and that is how the game is played.
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Sure that's normal - not. I mean obviously the Texans are just dumbasses who refused to listen to the refs assisting them when they kept getting called for lining up offsides.

hollywood_texan said:
Run a play to eliminate a booth review.
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It wasn't a booth review.

El Tejano said:
I agree 100%. Also, the argument that the ball was touched by a player out who was out of bounds doesn't hold up because the ball started coming out before that. It was fumble.
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Not saying it wasn't a fumble - it was. The point is as the pictures above show, the ball is contacted after it is fumbled by a player who is out of bounds and therefore should have been down at that spot.
 
Kubiak is brain dead. Absoueltely brian dead. This is a pattern. Whether the refs blew the call or not is irrelevent - or it should have been. He has no situational awareness whatsoever. Granted, if there was no controverial play sure let the clock run down to give Indy less time to try and get points at the end and I am sure that is what he was thinking.....however you have to understand the situation. If there is any doubt at all about the previous play, you run up and run the damn play and keep possession. Worst case, you have 3 points. Last time I looked 3 is more than zero.

If this was the first time, I'd give the guy a pass. But how many times have we seen this happen. If I had a dollar for every time I was yelling at the TV screen "Run a play, Run a *$#%@!damn play", I would probably be sipping MaiTai's in Honalulu while watching a hula dancer in a grass skirt. :bat:
 
I'm amazed they didn't call the obvious HORSE COLLAR on the play. He clearly reached into Moates' pads to bring him down.
 
The one that got me the most was the phantom offsides call on Conner Barwin. It was on Indy's game-winning drive and it was 3rd and 3. It would have killed the drive and given us the ball back. About 3 seconds after Manning threw in incomplete pass, a yellow flag flew. "Offsides, 98 on the defense". I replayed that over and over and over. The defensive line was perfectly straight, and NOT in the neutral zone, and nobody on our side of the ball budged until that ball moved. It was a completely made-up call that allowed them to continue on to a touchdown. That one sickened me.
 
Porky said:
Kubiak is brain dead. Absoueltely brian dead. This is a pattern. Whether the refs blew the call or not is irrelevent - or it should have been. He has no situational awareness whatsoever. Granted, if there was no controverial play sure let the clock run down to give Indy less time to try and get points at the end and I am sure that is what he was thinking.....however you have to understand the situation. If there is any doubt at all about the previous play, you run up and run the damn play and keep possession. Worst case, you have 3 points. Last time I looked 3 is more than zero.

If this was the first time, I'd give the guy a pass. But how many times have we seen this happen. If I had a dollar for every time I was yelling at the TV screen "Run a play, Run a *$#%@!damn play", I would probably be sipping MaiTai's in Honalulu while watching a hula dancer in a grass skirt. :bat:
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Because they don't have the benefit of replay on the field like we do at home, and no one in that stadium thought it was a fumble until they showed it on TV. By then, radio communication to the QB was cut off, and we had no chance.

The rule needs to be changed. 2-minute warnings and TV timeouts should not be allowed to be used for coaches and staff to review replays. Only a timeout should be allowed to extend the time allowable to throw a red flag.
 
DerekLee1 said:
The one that got me the most was the phantom offsides call on Conner Barwin. It was on Indy's game-winning drive and it was 3rd and 3. It would have killed the drive and given us the ball back. About 3 seconds after Manning threw in incomplete pass, a yellow flag flew. "Offsides, 98 on the defense". I replayed that over and over and over. The defensive line was perfectly straight, and NOT in the neutral zone, and nobody on our side of the ball budged until that ball moved. It was a completely made-up call that allowed them to continue on to a touchdown. That one sickened me.
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That one tore the mask off of what was really going on yesterday. So blatantly obvious.
 
DerekLee1 said:
Because they don't have the benefit of replay on the field like we do at home, and no one in that stadium thought it was a fumble until they showed it on TV. By then, radio communication to the QB was cut off, and we had no chance.

The rule needs to be changed. 2-minute warnings and TV timeouts should not be allowed to be used for coaches and staff to review replays. Only a timeout should be allowed to extend the time allowable to throw a red flag.
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Granted, but clearly the ball came out at some point, the question was when. The refs initially ruled it in our favor. It was close. He couldn't see from the sideline when it came out. So you run a damn play and don't look back. I understand he couldn't positively say at that point. What I am saying is don't wait until that point - because at that point, guess what? The opposition knows too and then it's too damn late. When you are down there trying to come back it's too important to leave to chance. Run a quick play. Call a sneak, anything simple and run the damn play. Sorry but I can't agree with your premise. Good coaches get that done.
 
DerekLee1 said:
Because they don't have the benefit of replay on the field like we do at home, and no one in that stadium thought it was a fumble until they showed it on TV. By then, radio communication to the QB was cut off, and we had no chance.

The rule needs to be changed. 2-minute warnings and TV timeouts should not be allowed to be used for coaches and staff to review replays. Only a timeout should be allowed to extend the time allowable to throw a red flag.
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Why?The 2 minut ewarning is as much a part of the game as timeouts, etc. Everyone in the stadium knows its coming. So you either make up your mind and run a play or you take your chances.

As for the ref complaints. Please stop. The Texans have gotten plenty of calls/non-calls this year and they have had some go against them. It's tyhe nature of the beast. The 11 or whatever called on them were legit. The interceptions legit. The offenses inability to work in the first half..legit. Those are what loses games. There is no guarantee those "missed" calls were going to change the outcome.
 
I thought there was a rule of if the whistle blew that the play was dead?
He didnt piick up the ball until after the whistle had gone. I don't know if that rule is still in effect or not, but either way, with it or without it the call should have still gone our way(with him being out of bounds being tackled)
 
no has said anything about the two dely of game flags that were not thrown on the last drive when the colts player was laying on the reciever, and the next play where the colts player was trying to hit the ball loose after the play was over
 
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