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Vince Young – Back in the Saddle Again!

MojoMan

MojoMan

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Vince Young is now 2-0 since regaining his position as the starting QB for the Tennessee Titans.

11/1 - Tennessee 30, Jacksonville 13
11/8 - Tennessee 34, @San Francisco 27

Just saying. It is hard to argue with the results. The Titans were 0-6 before Vince Young's return. Now they are 2-6.

Could the Titans be gearing up for a late season run led by Vince Young?

Also, here is an appropriate musical accompaniment to this thread for those of you who think you might enjoy it:

Aerosmith-Back in the Saddle (Again)
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He doesn't look too good, rarely has good stats however they just find ways to win when he is in there. I am not even saying he is the one responsible for the winning however whatever it is they play better when he plays. Fisher is looking like a tool about now.

Of course I still hate the Titans but I am going to stop dissing on the guy until he proves otherwise.
 
MojoMan said:
Just saying. It is hard to argue with the results. The Titans were 0-6 before Vince Young's return. Now they are 2-6.
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And they were 13-3 without him last year. Which results point to him being a good QB again?
 
eriadoc said:
And they were 13-3 without him last year. Which results point to him being a good QB again?
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The 0-6 record under Kerry Collins before he returned (Collins was the QB for the Titans during the 13-3 season you mentioned).

And the 2-0 record after he returned.

I know that it is only two games. But 2-0 is quite a contrast to 0-6.

Seriously, this could be something to keep an eye on. This is Vince's opportunity to set the record straight with all the nay-sayers, and also to turn his NFL career around.
 
Hookem Horns said:
He doesn't look too good, rarely has good stats however they just find ways to win when he is in there. I am not even saying he is the one responsible for the winning however whatever it is they play better when he plays. Fisher is looking like a tool about now.

Of course I still hate the Titans but I am going to stop dissing on the guy until he proves otherwise.
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This is what I essentially said on our board. Fisher made this move 2 games too late, when the season was still salvagable. Now he looks like he's lost all decisionmaking power after having Bud dictate who starts. I don't give Fisher an ounce of credit for these two wins; they belong to a team that decided it had been humiliated enough for one season.

If anything, I'd bet anything Collins would still be starting if it had been up to Fisher. I'm no VY mark, but I'm strongly starting to believe Fisher is part of the reason VY regressed so much.
 
Hookem Horns said:
He doesn't look too good, rarely has good stats however they just find ways to win when he is in there. I am not even saying he is the one responsible for the winning however whatever it is they play better when he plays. Fisher is looking like a tool about now.

Of course I still hate the Titans but I am going to stop dissing on the guy until he proves otherwise.
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Fisher was going to look bad either way this went down. If VY fails then Fisher is the owner's lackey doing his bidding. If VY succeeds (which he is) then Fisher looks like a tool for not playing VY earlier.

VY is a long way from recovery, but the dude didn't forget to play football. He just needs to get some things right in his life and show even more dedication. I have always been a VY supporter but not so naive to think he is a great QB or that he is without fault or mistake.

When Haynesworth left Tenn, he had nothing but the highest praise for Vince and said that Vince was a special QB and that he is a franchise QB, but that he would never do it in Tennessee with Fisher. He said that Fisher has a problem with Vince, and it would be best for Vince to just leave when he is offered the opportunity...and he will be.

At the end of the day, Titan's defense and offense under Vince have rallied around their owner's critical comments and demand for Vince to get in the game. Props to the Tits but 2-6 still sucks and this whole Vince thing is going to get complicated in the offseason, especially if he continues to play and the Titans continue to win. Bud would almost have to consider hte pickup of the roster bonus/balloon salary = 14.5million.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Houston better win that MNF game or this city will burn to the ground.
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You are probably right, metaphorically speaking, with regard to the Texan fans that trace their allegiance back to the "Luv Ya Blue" days. Disappointment and heartache have a lot of historical signficance.

There only so many times you can kicked in the gut when you are so close to getting over the hump. Hopefully, Kubiak understands that.
 
All the signs are still there that this guy will never measure up to the pre-draft hype.
Vince's problem is between his ears. I don't see that anything's changed yet.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Houston better win that MNF game or this city will burn to the ground.
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And I will pour the gasoline and light the f'king match.

I'm curious to how he performs when the Chris Johnson running show is not working.
 
The Titans host the Bills next Sunday, and then the following week is the Monday night game against the Texans.
 
mario'd better go out there with something to prove. i'm sure he's been itching to drop vince since he eluded williams on the way to scoring that game winning td.
 
Spled said:
Say what you will, Vince has a knack for pulling out close games.
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Actually, the people around him are pulling out games. At least that is what has happened the last 2 weeks. However the bottom line is they have won with him in there and they weren't doing that with KC. So interpret that as you may.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Actually, the people around him are pulling out games. At least that is what has happened the last 2 weeks. However the bottom line is they have won with him in there and they weren't doing that with KC. So interpret that as you may.
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How come the people around Collins were not pulling out games during the previous six contests? How come it only started happening when Vince Young lined up under center? We might just all have to begrudgingly give Vince Young a little credit here.
 
Tennessee was successful last year because their QB did just enough to not lose games. Let the other players make plays and just manage the game.

This year, Collins was terrible. He wasn't losing games single-handedly but he sure wasn't helping.

So far, Young has done enough to not lose. That's his job. He hasn't won the games for them, but he hasn't lost them either.
 
MojoMan said:
How come the people around Collins were not pulling out games during the previous six contests? How come it only started happening when Vince Young lined up under center? We might just all have to begrudgingly give Vince Young a little credit here.
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Actually you are making my point. I am giving VY credit. I watched both games and it's pretty bizarre that when Vince is on the field good things happen, even if he isn't the one doing them.

I think it is because of his mobility. Defenses are spying on him and blowing other assignments. You can't do that with Chris Johnson on the field. The Texans really need to find a way to stack the run and force VY to beat them throwing the ball. The more pass attempts he has the more mistakes he is going to make.
 
MojoMan said:
The 0-6 record under Kerry Collins before he returned (Collins was the QB for the Titans during the 13-3 season you mentioned).

And the 2-0 record after he returned.

I know that it is only two games. But 2-0 is quite a contrast to 0-6.

Seriously, this could be something to keep an eye on. This is Vince's opportunity to set the record straight with all the nay-sayers, and also to turn his NFL career around.
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OMG! Look at the stat sheets. The Titans have gone back the the formula that got them to 13-3 last year. Solid, if not superior, running game, opportunistic defense, keepng the game close (like within one score), and not asking the QB to do very much. They went back to doing what worked for them in the past.

I guess Young intercepted those three balls from Alex Smith??
It ain't Young.

Talk to me when young puts up Matt Schaub or Peyton Manning or Drew Brees passing numbers.
 
bah007 said:
Tennessee was successful last year because their QB did just enough to not lose games. Let the other players make plays and just manage the game.

This year, Collins was terrible. He wasn't losing games single-handedly but he sure wasn't helping.

So far, Young has done enough to not lose. That's his job. He hasn't won the games for them, but he hasn't lost them either.
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Exactly.
Rep for your powers of observation.
 
Mari-OWNED! said:
Chris Johnson has a way of winning games, not Vince Young.
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But Chris Johnson isn't a local legend and former UT star. That alone is all one needs to be regarded as "the one who just wins". One day I too hope to be enchanted with "the one who just wins".
 
Vince is doing well but its not that surprising. He is doing what he is asked to do and that is scramble/throw for 1st downs on 3rd down, be a threat out of the backfield, run the option, and not turn the ball over.

The Haterade is so strong here, but why not just give the guy credit and realize that you buried the guy a little early. I swear sometimes the tone and bias makes me think its about him being a black QB and being from UT.

Vince is playing well. Fisher said so. The players on his team have said so. The rest of the league has said so.

Nothing wrong with eating a little crow and showing a little class.
 
Vince Young has magical powers.

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;)
 
Second Honeymoon said:
I swear sometimes the tone and bias makes me think its about him being a black QB and being from UT.
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Umm, I am a Longhorns fan and my first ever favorite QB was Doug Williams (I had the jersey to prove it).

I think Texans fans hating on Vince has more to do with a.) he plays for Bud Adams and the Titans, b.) all the abuse we took as fans when the Texans didn't draft him, and the biggest reason c.) http://www.shaggybevo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=50748
 
Second Honeymoon said:
I swear sometimes the tone and bias makes me think its about him being a black QB and being from UT.
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That's horse crap, man. This has to do with the simple fact that he's a Tennessee Titan, and showed his complete lack of class by running around Reliant yelling "This is my house!" after winning a regular season game during his rookie season. I never disliked the guy until that specific moment, and because of that, I will never like the dude now.

This is what the myopic VY lovers will never get. Some of us are Houston Texans first and foremost. College allegiance to individual players is a distant second to many in that regard.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
I swear sometimes the tone and bias makes me think its about him being a black QB and being from UT.
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Really man? You're gonna go with the race card? That's lame bro. As other have said, hes a Titan, the whole "this is my house" thing, and the VY worshipers make me dislike the guy. I would say the same things about him if he was white.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Vince is doing well but its not that surprising. He is doing what he is asked to do and that is scramble/throw for 1st downs on 3rd down, be a threat out of the backfield, run the option, and not turn the ball over.

The Haterade is so strong here, but why not just give the guy credit and realize that you buried the guy a little early. I swear sometimes the tone and bias makes me think its about him being a black QB and being from UT.

Vince is playing well. Fisher said so. The players on his team have said so. The rest of the league has said so.

Nothing wrong with eating a little crow and showing a little class.
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there's definitely going to be some racism and bias, but the reaction here is just common fan stuff. if Tony Romo wins a Super Bowl i don't think anyone here will give him any credit. no one likes the other team's QB, period.
 
While I don't think VY is the answer for the titans wins, I do think we're in for another brawl in 2 weeks. Stop the run and you beat the titans. Simple as that.
 
for the record, i am not calling yall racists or anything like that. i just think black QBs are given a lot less patience than white QBs.

I think Vince's immaturity and sense of entitlement had more to do with his losing his job than anything else though. Maybe he learned a lesson. I still don't like his body language though.

I just hope the Texans can kick the Titans ass on MNF because if we falter, there will be hell to pay.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
for the record, i am not calling yall racists or anything like that. i just think black QBs are given a lot less patience than white QBs.

I think Vince's immaturity and sense of entitlement had more to do with his losing his job than anything else though. Maybe he learned a lesson. I still don't like his body language though.

I just hope the Texans can kick the Titans ass on MNF because if we falter, there will be hell to pay.
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I think it has a lot to do with people just hate to hear a ton of hype that's BS. I don't hate Reggie Bush the player, and I didn't when he came out. I said at the time he'd be the next Eric Metcalf, which isn't bad, but it isn't a guy you spend a first round pick on.

The last couple years, I am seriously negative toward Reggie Bush, and it has very little to do with him, and everything to do with the hype machine for a guy who frankly isn't that good and hasn't earned anything.

At the risk of overgeneralizing, black QBs get a lot more hype up front before they've done anything, and for obvious reasons. Some people just get tired of hearing about how great VY is going to be, when in all honesty, if the guy was white, the media would have stopped talking about him at all by now.

So I guess race plays into it from that perspective, but the truth is, the unwarranted hype is what's created the VY "hating".
 
eriadoc said:
I think it has a lot to do with people just hate to hear a ton of hype that's BS. I don't hate Reggie Bush the player, and I didn't when he came out. I said at the time he'd be the next Eric Metcalf, which isn't bad, but it isn't a guy you spend a first round pick on.

The last couple years, I am seriously negative toward Reggie Bush, and it has very little to do with him, and everything to do with the hype machine for a guy who frankly isn't that good and hasn't earned anything.

At the risk of overgeneralizing, black QBs get a lot more hype up front before they've done anything, and for obvious reasons. Some people just get tired of hearing about how great VY is going to be, when in all honesty, if the guy was white, the media would have stopped talking about him at all by now.

So I guess race plays into it from that perspective, but the truth is, the unwarranted hype is what's created the VY "hating".
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I don't think the hype was all about race. In high school, Vince could put more behinds in seats than the Houston Cougars. He went from local hero to National hero during his college years.

When Vince went to UT some of my son's friends went to see him practice, and came back shaking their heads, as if, he isn't ready yet! However, Vince developed a habit, same as in high school, conventional or unconventional as getting results. I don't mind being challenged, but I am still in amazement as to how in the world did he pull off that upset against USC.

I don't know anything about Jeff Fisher the coach and how he treats or relates to the athletes that he coaches, so it wouldn't be fair for me to suggest that he did anything to undermine Vince's career. It can happen, though, if you're in the wrong system, wrong team or job, your career can be hampered. Randy Moss was outstanding in Minnesota, but had a lot of baggage. Randy Moss didn't look too good in Oakland, and there were probably coaches or owners that wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole, yet look at him now in the system he's in.

My comments about Vince should be well documented, as I didn't give up on him and still haven't. I think there are things that he could have handled differently, and I'm sure when he is older and look back, he will agree as well. Hopefully he had enough people in his corner at his lowest point to encourage him to stay focused, and for God's sake not read or listen to sports critics. It is my desire that he will further his career as a successful NFL quarterback.
 
I hate him beacuse the mouth breathing, jock swinging, leg humping UT drunks here in Austin keep trying to put him and Possum Squallor Hootinanies from Bumblescum Mountain on TV here.

Makes me crazy!

Yesterday was the worst possible day because:

Texans lost

Cowboys won

Rudy and the Hootinanies won.

DAMNIT!!!
 
HTown2ATX said:
I hate him beacuse the mouth breathing, jock swinging, leg humping UT drunks here in Austin keep trying to put him and Possum Squallor Hootinanies from Bumblescum Mountain on TV here.

Makes me crazy!

Yesterday was the worst possible day because:

Texans lost

Cowboys won

Rudy and the Hootinanies won.

DAMNIT!!!
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Ha ha ha ha..... tell us how you really feel. Tear of laughter, ROFLOL! :ahhaha: Sorry you feel that way since I was really sad that the Texans didn't pull out the win. Good luck next game!
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Vince is doing well but its not that surprising. He is doing what he is asked to do and that is scramble/throw for 1st downs on 3rd down, be a threat out of the backfield, run the option, and not turn the ball over.

The Haterade is so strong here, but why not just give the guy credit and realize that you buried the guy a little early. I swear sometimes the tone and bias makes me think its about him being a black QB and being from UT.

Vince is playing well. Fisher said so. The players on his team have said so. The rest of the league has said so.

Nothing wrong with eating a little crow and showing a little class.
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If the Young-Love stopped with that sort of assessment I think most folks would be fine with it. I know I would. But it never does. We have to stomach all the "Vince makes the team perform better by his very presence" crap. That totally diss'es the fact that the Titans got back their starters on defense or the outstanding performances of Chris Johnson during the wins. It's the "all credit for any Titans success goes to VY" belief (and yeah, it's a religious zealot-like BELIEF at times) that bugs the crap outta me.

Seems like a year on the bench seems to have done him some good. But I'm not "annointing" him anything other than being a Kerry Collins with younger, faster legs until he starts posting 300-yd/2-3 TD games on a regular basis.

...and do I LOOK like I'd have an issue with a Black QB being successful??
 
well I have no ill feelings for vince. I hope he does well in the NFL except when he plays the Texans.

He made his bed with the antics he pulled with pouting and the supposedly suicide thing.. Hopefully he has matured and can get on with his NFL career.

one thing Vince is good at is extending drives off of 3rd down plays, he is dangerous there ...

but I haven't seen any titans games so maybe they patched the hole in that secondary like we have patched a hole in our run defense (knock on wood)

so here is to the Texans beating down the Titans for the 3rd straight game :fans:
 
Young is big, fast, and just barely does anything else well enough to remain a QB, in spite of how very big and fast he is. He wins games. He changes the game, in fact. I have to be honest. I don't like him because, stupid or not, he wins stupid. He could literally be dumb as a cow and still win games at a position that normally takes skill and brains. It's irritating as Hell. Regardless of what his IQ may be, he plays like the ultimate dumb jock. He doesn't have to know what the heck he is doing, as long as he can wait for the backfield to spread back covering receivers, slip by a few DLs, break a LB arm tackle, and run over a few DBs. Size, speed...........air.

I hope Cushing knocks the air out of 'im.
 
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