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schaub lost it for us....

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schaub did verry well dont get me wrong but .....that interception changed the momentem and even if we got the td after the interception we would have to go to to over time to win or go for two. i would have rather got the
1st td then have to go to over time
 
Yeah, he made a mistake that added to the list of things we wish we could have back. But look at that face and try to stay mad.

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I'm still on the warpath with the play calling in those crucial situations. Freaking horrible. Schaub made a bad mistake, but I can't hang this on him. That mistake should have been overcome.
 
slatonisabeast said:
schaub did verry well dont get me wrong but .....that interception changed the momentem and even if we got the td after the interception we would have to go to to over time to win or go for two. i would have rather got the
1st td then have to go to over time
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This is a joke.
 
given the FUBAR first half gameplan, schaub had a relatively solid game. he air-mailed more passes than we're used to, but he also did better than we're used to in the second half of negotiating the pocket in formations he's comfortable with. first half goes squarely on the coaching staff ... and since we wholly lost the first half, i blame the coaching staff.
 
StevieWonder said:
Yeah, he made a mistake that added to the list of things we wish we could have back. But look at that face and try to stay mad.

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Sad Schaub is sad. Except if he's mad! Except if he's glad! Unless he just dragged the team kicking and screaming to within a few inches of tying up what looked like a blow out! :bubbles:
 
Schaub threw for 371 yards and controlled the clock on the road against a good team with passing. Mistakes happen but he got you to the tie and he got you to the goal line with plenty of time.

Blame our o-line play. We are getting used by d-lines across the NFL and it starts with the center. I am not sure what the coaching staff is thinking or how many games it will take before they get a clue. Fix the line, and you fix the season.

This team is explosive and I would love to see some Slaton runs to polish off a nice win but I am afraid we may have to wait for the next coaching staff for that.
 
Tedc said:
Schaub threw for 371 yards and controlled the clock on the road against a good team with passing. Mistakes happen but he got you to the tie and he got you to the goal line with plenty of time.

Blame our o-line play. We are getting used by d-lines across the NFL and it starts with the center. I am not sure what the coaching staff is thinking or how many games it will take before they get a clue. Fix the line, and you fix the season.

This team is explosive and I would love to see some Slaton runs to polish off a nice win but I am afraid we may have to wait for the next coaching staff for that.
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I've mentioned this a few times, take away Schaubb's primary read and he can't make the progression fast enough and then ends up holding the ball too long and then eats the sack. He can't make his reads fast enough and I think the tell tale signs of a good defense figuring him out is starting to happen.

- His accuracy the first half was HORRID.
- Missed a couple wide open people.
- is about as mobile as a one legged old man.
- just can't get it done.

he's a stopgap measure, and not the QB to take us through the playoffs. If you want to skirt with making the playoffs, or do you want a superbowl? If it's the latter Schaubb isn't the guy.
 
There ain't a QB out there that can take this team to the playoffs when you can't make a 3rd or 4th and 1. That's two games that Schaub put this team in a position to tie, late in a game and your O-line and RB's can't punch it in.
 
Schaub started getting hot too late. I can't get mad for the game he put together but he did get hot too late and then threw the pick, and had the bad play from the 1. He was off pretty much all day.

That being said, I do like how I never feel like we are out of the game because Schaub has this calmness about him that I can't explain and I think it gets contagious with the rest of the team. I kinda feel like Schaub is in Warren Moon's early stage of his career- Just really inconsistent with alot of weapons. Once we get these small things fixed this team can be even more dangerous.
 
slatonisabeast said:
schaub did verry well dont get me wrong but .....that interception changed the momentem and even if we got the td after the interception we would have to go to to over time to win or go for two. i would have rather got the
1st td then have to go to over time
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Gary has said that Schaub is one step removed from being among the elite quarterbacks in the league. The pick was him trying to force something when nothing was there, as was the throw to Johnson on 4th and 1. When he has the maturity to recognize when nothing is there, he will be among that elite.
 
That throw for a pick 6 was a killer.
He also had a bad throw to a wide open OD that would have scored a TD
He also had a throw way over the head of a wide open Joel Dreesen that would have tied it

He could have called a sneak or demanded the ball.

Schaub had a good game, but he's certainly part of this loss
 
With 5 games in the books I've got enough meaningful data to do Schaub's 3rd season projection.

Are folks really complaining about this guy? :texflag:
 
Texan_Bill said:
There ain't a QB out there that can take this team to the playoffs when you can't make a 3rd or 4th and 1. That's two games that Schaub put this team in a position to tie, late in a game and your O-line and RB's can't punch it in.
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What he said. My only knock on Schaub is that he appears to be a slow starter for the most part. Hell, the team as a whole is a slow starter. They always say that they need to come out and start fast, but for some reason that rarely/never seems to happen. We fall behind really fast and then are forced to play catch up the rest of the game.
 
slatonisabeast said:
schaub did verry well dont get me wrong but .....that interception changed the momentem and even if we got the td after the interception we would have to go to to over time to win or go for two. i would have rather got the
1st td then have to go to over time
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Hmmm if Slaton was a beast and could get us one yard Texans would be 5-1 right now.
 
My only bone to pick with Schaud is him refusing to admit the pick or the missed TD to Dressen were badly timed throws.
 
I agree Shaub lost this game for us and not Kubiak. Shaub fell asleep the first half and had overthrown and bad passes also threw a deep ball to AJ on 4th and 1 and even Kubiak got in his face.. He finally woke up in the second half but threw that pick and on 3rd and goal with 1 min left he had no pressure around him and his throw was to high for the wide open receiver....
 
silvrhand1 said:
I've mentioned this a few times, take away Schaubb's primary read and he can't make the progression fast enough and then ends up holding the ball too long and then eats the sack. He can't make his reads fast enough and I think the tell tale signs of a good defense figuring him out is starting to happen.

- His accuracy the first half was HORRID.
- Missed a couple wide open people.
- is about as mobile as a one legged old man.
- just can't get it done.

he's a stopgap measure, and not the QB to take us through the playoffs. If you want to skirt with making the playoffs, or do you want a superbowl? If it's the latter Schaubb isn't the guy.
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The key interception was thrown like a lollipop . He had NO juice on the ball at all. Oh yeah, he's the guy that brought us back from a 21-0 deficit. Schaub is not the problem, as usual, it's the offensive line. Blood, Schaub did NOT lose this game. The "D" did their job in the second half, but it's next to impossible to spot 21 unanswered points and get a win. What's with this Schaub hating ?
 
Texan_Bill said:
There ain't a QB out there that can take this team to the playoffs when you can't make a 3rd or 4th and 1. That's two games that Schaub put this team in a position to tie, late in a game and your O-line and RB's can't punch it in.
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I had to give you rep on this one. Now I feel so dirty! :)
 
i dont think schaub lost the game...he is one of the reasons we came back...he did throw and interception...that happens to the best of them...the only thing that disapoints me is how did he miss this throw...he is wide open :(
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What Schaub did yesterday damn near won us the game. If it weren't for him, there would be no 21 point come back, and we wouldn't have been in the position to win it with less than a minute remaining. He made two bad throws yesterday. The interception, and the 3rd down incompletion on the goal line. The play calling for the last 4 plays was atrocious. I'm not convinced Chris Brown makes a good goal line back. Or even an adequate one.
 
silvrhand1 said:
I've mentioned this a few times, take away Schaubb's primary read and he can't make the progression fast enough and then ends up holding the ball too long and then eats the sack. He can't make his reads fast enough and I think the tell tale signs of a good defense figuring him out is starting to happen.

- His accuracy the first half was HORRID.
- Missed a couple wide open people.
- is about as mobile as a one legged old man.
- just can't get it done.

he's a stopgap measure, and not the QB to take us through the playoffs. If you want to skirt with making the playoffs, or do you want a superbowl? If it's the latter Schaubb isn't the guy.[/QUOTE]
I agreed with you except for the bold. He can get it done and then some. Most of his errors are mental or trying to force something like the ball that sailed out of the end zone to Dreesen (I think) when Schaub threw off balance. He had time to set and fire a better ball. The INT at end of game was a mental error as you stated because he did not start the throw in time. DRC may have still made the INT. The issue is a better game plan. Seems like Shanny may have gotten his butt chewed also at halftime and responded like his players. Other than the running game, most of what I saw can be fixed.
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El Tejano said:
Schaub started getting hot too late. I can't get mad for the game he put together but he did get hot too late and then threw the pick, and had the bad play from the 1. He was off pretty much all day.

That being said, I do like how I never feel like we are out of the game because Schaub has this calmness about him that I can't explain and I think it gets contagious with the rest of the team. I kinda feel like Schaub is in Warren Moon's early stage of his career- Just really inconsistent with alot of weapons. Once we get these small things fixed this team can be even more dangerous.
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Did Matt get hot or did the OC change the battle plan in 3rd to finally take advantage of the Cards weakness? Both teams had rep of weak running games and pass defenses. Both have good QBs and great receivers. It is fairly obvious which offense had the better first half game plan. That is not on the QB.
 
After schaubs bad throw in the endzone...did yall see thos 3 crazy cards fans stopping on the ground when the ref said no touchdown...watch the highlight real again its funny
 
Texan_Bill said:
There ain't a QB out there that can take this team to the playoffs when you can't make a 3rd or 4th and 1. That's two games that Schaub put this team in a position to tie, late in a game and your O-line and RB's can't punch it in.
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yep. Like Earl Campbell said the next day on a 790 interview, a team that can't get 1 yard when they need it doesn't have a running back. And a running back that can't get 1 yard when the team needs it shouldn't be on the field.

I can't blame Schaub for the loss. Yeah, he made a mistake, but quite a few QBs have thrown a pick 6 this season. The TEAM lost this one, from the coaches on down.
 
Double Barrel said:
yep. Like Earl Campbell said the next day on a 790 interview, a team that can't get 1 yard when they need it doesn't have a running back. And a running back that can't get 1 yard when the team needs it shouldn't be on the field.

I can't blame Schaub for the loss. Yeah, he made a mistake, but quite a few QBs have thrown a pick 6 this season. The TEAM lost this one, from the coaches on down.
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It's true that we failed on a couple of 1yd run. That's on the running game (1), and that's include the RB, and everyone blocking on those plays - not just the O-line - most noticeably, the TEs.

But Schaub also has to take a big share of the blame, since he did not make just one bad decision; he made at least 3 that I can remember.

The INT, the pass to Dreessen, and the throw into double coverage to AJ.

The O-line had their bad and good moments in the passing game as well, they should share a load of the blame just the same.
 
Every QB in the league is going to throw an INT. It happens.

-1 smart point for anyone who thinks otherwise. Schaub is like, the bestest most super awesome stop gap measure ever. Eugene Wilson is a stop gap measure fools.
 
TimeKiller said:
Every QB in the league is going to throw an INT. It happens.

-1 smart point for anyone who thinks otherwise. Schaub is like, the bestest most super awesome stop gap measure ever. Eugene Wilson is a stop gap measure fools.
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First I don't think I'm a fool...

Second:

- schaub missed AJ in the first half for a sure TD.
- schaub missed several other open receivers in the first half.
- schaub threw a pick 6 for a TD
- schaub missed the TE wide open in the backfield.

Schaub had some good stats, but who cares about stats when we don't win the game. If you want to judge someone by their stats that's fine but I could care less long as we win the game. Did he win us the game nope, did his stats cover us some of his really bad play for 3/4 of the game. Yes.

He's not a winner, he's not vocal, he doesn't even seem to be a leader for this team. I want a winner at QB period.
 
silvrhand1 said:
First I don't think I'm a fool...

Second:

- schaub missed AJ in the first half for a sure TD.
- schaub missed several other open receivers in the first half.
- schaub threw a pick 6 for a TD
- schaub missed the TE wide open in the backfield.

Schaub had some good stats, but who cares about stats when we don't win the game. If you want to judge someone by their stats that's fine but I could care less long as we win the game. Did he win us the game nope, did his stats cover us some of his really bad play for 3/4 of the game. Yes.

He's not a winner, he's not vocal, he doesn't even seem to be a leader for this team. I want a winner at QB period.
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Well Schaub may not be the best guy in the league, but where would we find someone better right now or next year? Are you suggesting that the Texans draft a QB with their first pick?

Schuab is having the best season of his career. I was a doubter of his for a long time as far as his health and how good he could really be. I think he's been great this season from what I could expect from him. He's answered a lot of my questions about him. He's stood in the pocket and made good throws all year long. He's missed a few WR's here and there, but so will every QB. He isn't the most accurate guy in the league, but when I consider everything else he's giving us right now, I"LL TAKE IT. Schaub has had to play on a team that has no running game as well which isn't his fault and he's pretty much carried this offense on his shoulders.

He has gotten the team down the field twice now where the RB's couldn't punch it in. That's no on Schaub. Sure he missed the throw, but at least he got us down there which wasn't easy and brought the team back from being down 21 points.

The QB position has been a problem for the Texans in the last 7 years and this is the first year where it isn't a problem and it's been a positive. I like what Schaub is doing and I think he continues to improve.
 
Texecutioner said:
The QB position has been a problem for the Texans in the last 7 years and this is the first year where it isn't a problem and it's been a positive. I like what Schaub is doing and I think he continues to improve.
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Carr looked pretty good this weekend with the Giants, maybe the issue was more likely our swiss cheese offensive line that allowed league leading sacks for what 3 or 4 years?

As for Schaub, yes I believe we need to draft a real QB.
 
silvrhand1 said:
Carr looked pretty good this weekend with the Giants, maybe the issue was more likely our swiss cheese offensive line that allowed league leading sacks for what 3 or 4 years?

As for Schaub, yes I believe we need to draft a real QB.
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I don't know what Carr has to do with this. Schaub has played pretty good in every game but the Jets game. Carr is a joke and is barely even still in the league.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't know what Carr has to do with this. Schaub has played pretty good in every game but the Jets game. Carr is a joke and is barely even still in the league.
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Got sidetracked 3 people came into my office wasn't able to finish my thoughts sorry about that.

I meant to say our previous QB options have been problematic cause of our swiss cheese OL. If you look at the stats that our backups and where our old QB's are at now they aren't doing too bad.

Schaub has a lot of issues IMHO, and the only reason he puts up as good as stats as he does is simply cause we have some decent pass blocking these days and some stud WR sets. He's an average QB with an excellent set of tools. He's 3 years into it and he doesn't seem to have made much progress on improving his game.
 
silvrhand1 said:
Got sidetracked 3 people came into my office wasn't able to finish my thoughts sorry about that.

I meant to say our previous QB options have been problematic cause of our swiss cheese OL. If you look at the stats that our backups and where our old QB's are at now they aren't doing too bad.

Schaub has a lot of issues IMHO, and the only reason he puts up as good as stats as he does is simply cause we have some decent pass blocking these days and some stud WR sets. He's an average QB with an excellent set of tools. He's 3 years into it and he doesn't seem to have made much progress on improving his game.
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Huh? Right now, he's on pace to throw for about 4,200+ yards and 30 TD's.
 
silvrhand1 said:
I meant to say our previous QB options have been problematic cause of our swiss cheese OL. If you look at the stats that our backups and where our old QB's are at now they aren't doing too bad.
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This is really one of the craziest things I've ever read. You are reaching a very high level of insanity with this post.
 
AnthonyE said:
What Schaub did yesterday damn near won us the game. If it weren't for him, there would be no 21 point come back, and we wouldn't have been in the position to win it with less than a minute remaining. He made two bad throws yesterday. The interception, and the 3rd down incompletion on the goal line. The play calling for the last 4 plays was atrocious. I'm not convinced Chris Brown makes a good goal line back. Or even an adequate one.
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The pick wasn't a great play call anyway. The ten yard out takes a QB with a really good arm. Schaub is a good QB, but he isn't THAT QB. He doesn't have a cannon, which it takes to throw a ten yard out from the opposite sideline. Kinda put him in a bad position, and DRC made a GREAT jump on it.

I can't believe people really want Schaub gone so bad. Makes no sense.
 
silvrhand1 said:
Carr looked pretty good this weekend with the Giants, maybe the issue was more likely our swiss cheese offensive line that allowed league leading sacks for what 3 or 4 years?

As for Schaub, yes I believe we need to draft a real QB.
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If Schaub were on the market, how long do you think it would take for him to be nabbed? How many teams would LOVE him as their QB? Who do you want, Tebow? Bradford? McCoy? Those guys will all be 3 years from ready.
 
silvrhand1 said:
Schaub has a lot of issues IMHO, and the only reason he puts up as good as stats as he does is simply cause we have some decent pass blocking these days and some stud WR sets. He's an average QB with an excellent set of tools. He's 3 years into it and he doesn't seem to have made much progress on improving his game.
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You are really fooling yourself. Schaub was moving in the pocket and standing up to hits to get the ball out all day long. Stick HWWNBN in those same 50 plays and the completions go down from 35 to 25-30 with more importantly the yardage going down from 371 to 171 as it becomes a dump off game only. Plus there would have been a couple INT's as Carr gets jumped on an 8 yard hitch and 4-6 sacks.

For anyone who wants to invoke HWWNBN:

76 games - 12 with 2 or more passing TD's.

Schaub

27 games - 11 with 2 or more passing TD's.

Texan_Bill said:
Huh? Right now, he's on pace to throw for about 4,200+ yards and 30 TD's.
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Exactly. Sure mistakes are made. Manning makes mistakes. This is mind boggling. He is much closer to the verge of elite than he is to shouldn't be a starter.
 
infantrycak said:
You are really fooling yourself. Schaub was moving in the pocket and standing up to hits to get the ball out all day long. Stick HWWNBN in those same 50 plays and the completions go down from 35 to 25-30 with more importantly the yardage going down from 371 to 171 as it becomes a dump off game only. Plus there would have been a couple INT's as Carr gets jumped on an 8 yard hitch and 4-6 sacks.

For anyone who wants to invoke HWWNBN:

76 games - 12 with 2 or more passing TD's.

Schaub

27 games - 11 with 2 or more passing TD's.



Exactly. Sure mistakes are made. Manning makes mistakes. This is mind boggling. He is much closer to the verge of elite than he is to shouldn't be a starter.
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Mind blowing huh? You would think our QB was awful with how bad people want him run out of town.
 
BigBull17 said:
The pick wasn't a great play call anyway. The ten yard out takes a QB with a really good arm. Schaub is a good QB, but he isn't THAT QB. He doesn't have a cannon, which it takes to throw a ten yard out from the opposite sideline. Kinda put him in a bad position, and DRC made a GREAT jump on it.

I can't believe people really want Schaub gone so bad. Makes no sense.
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Virginia's record while he was "throwing" for more great stats:

2001 5-7 / 3-5
2002 9-5 / 6-2
2003 8-5 / 4-4

My point is that he's not a "game winner", he's not someone who you send on the field and say "go win the game for us" and he drives his team down the field and wins the game. If he's "that type" of QB, we never run the ball, we spread the field and the coach gives him the ball..

He's missing the intangibles IMHO. Call me crazy all you want..
 
infantrycak said:
You are really fooling yourself. Schaub was moving in the pocket and standing up to hits to get the ball out all day long. Stick HWWNBN in those same 50 plays and the completions go down from 35 to 25-30 with more importantly the yardage going down from 371 to 171 as it becomes a dump off game only. Plus there would have been a couple INT's as Carr gets jumped on an 8 yard hitch and 4-6 sacks.

For anyone who wants to invoke HWWNBN:

76 games - 12 with 2 or more passing TD's.

Schaub

27 games - 11 with 2 or more passing TD's.



Exactly. Sure mistakes are made. Manning makes mistakes. This is mind boggling. He is much closer to the verge of elite than he is to shouldn't be a starter.
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I was more along the line of comparing him to Sage, the personnel differences between the days Carr was here and not ruined, vs. Schaub are too great to compare.
 
silvrhand1 said:
My point is that he's not a "game winner", he's not someone who you send on the field and say "go win the game for us" and he drives his team down the field and wins the game. If he's "that type" of QB, we never run the ball, we spread the field and the coach gives him the ball.
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If that's true, that's not an indictment on Schaub, it's on the lame playcalling.
 
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