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i did not see much highlights and i was thinking from what yall think from what higlights yall have seen whats he is ranks 1 being the lowest and 10 the highist
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i did not see much highlights and i was thinking from what yall have seen whats he is ranks 1 being the lowest and 10 the highist
That's funny. I voted 7 because I think he did pretty OK for his 1st preseason game as a Texan. I believe it was Smith that made a nice tackle at the LOS on the 2nd series.Showed some run-stuffing ability.I voted a '1' but I thought the score was for the thread.
Errrrerybody say with me now:
Pre-season
Fair question. Inquiring minds want to know. Smith did okay. I think he played - for the few snaps the 1st team D played - better than Amobi. I think the scorekeeps gave his only tackle to someone else.
I will say this; I'm not sold on the idea that Smith needs to move inside on passing downs. I like stout guys at DT and Okam showed he can get push up the middle on passing downs. Why not leave him at DE?
I will say this; I'm not sold on the idea that Smith needs to move inside on passing downs. I like stout guys at DT and Okam showed he can get push up the middle on passing downs. Why not leave him (Smith) at DE?
If Okam can play like he should, he would be a beast.
Imagine if we are in a goal line situation and need to stop the run. If that were the case, how about a D line that looked like this:
Mario-Okam-Robinson-Smith
Man! That would be tough to run on!
Because you want to get your best pass rushers on the field on passing downs. That would be Mario, Barwin, Smith, and someone (Okoye????). Not to mention that Smith was a productive pass rusher from the inside during his years with Arizona.Why not leave him (Smith) at DE?
Not to mention Cushing hovering over the A gap
I will say this; I'm not sold on the idea that Smith needs to move inside on passing downs. I like stout guys at DT and Okam showed he can get push up the middle on passing downs. Why not leave him (Smith) at DE?
On a long passing down, such as 3rd and long it would be a 5-2-4:
RT --- RG --- C/QB --- LG --- LT
Barwin Smith Robinson Bulman Mario
DeMeco Cushing
Barwin can cover a TE or rush the QB, and the two LBs can blitz, or cover man, or fake a blitz and drop back into shallow zone as the QB tries to dump it off to a safety-valve RB or TE trying to run a shallow crossing pattern or slant or curl (hot route). Then you'd have two CBs and two safeties added to the mix.
I've noticed that when we go 5-2 it's almost always Ryans and Diles patrolling the middle. I've seen June put his hands down at the line as well as Cushing and Thompson. I don't know who else has put their hands down outside of the three LBs I stated. I saw Cushing out in coverage once but I do not know where everyone else. I was walking and turned my head just in time to see Cushing make an interception on the final play of practice. That was the only time that I'd actively seen him in a coverage play but I don't know if it was 4-3 or 5-2. I'll say this... I only noticed one other LB out there in space and that was Ryans.
Does what I said mean anything? I don't know. Just saying what I thought I saw.
I know some people think TJ is worthless, and will say they've never seen TJ do much of anything..... I respond..... Amobie, Cody, Okam never showed much either, till this one preseason game.
Travis Johnson IS worthless.
Sick of the TJ bashing. He's a Texan, deal with it. Its a huge year for him contract-wise as well as career wise. The FO as well as Kubiak believes he can contribute this year otherwise he'd be on the street. He's NOT Casey Hampton nor Jamal Williams nor Shaun Rogers nor whatever Pro Bowl caliber NT you wanna throw out there. He's not the super DT we all expected when he was a 1st round pick yes. But he can contribute to this team in some capacity if he gets his health right.
In the game, I thought it was Demeco and Adibi in the middle positions.
Travis Johnson IS worthless. Seriously, how the heck are you going to constantly bash Dunta and then try to defend Travis Johnson LOL, that guy is a bum.
If you're sick of it, don't read it. I mean give me a freaking break with the "He's a Texan, deal with it" crap. David Carr was a Texan too and I dealt with that for as long as I could also. I'm not going to baby some lazy bum who makes millions of dollars and carries a "don't give a **** until it's my contract year" attitude....deal with that. The guy is a bust so get over it.....and as far as Kubiak thinking TJ can contribute on this team, he had some hard words for him before camp even started. I doubt he even thinks about Travis Johnson anymore and I doubt TJ even makes this team.
All the whining and pouting over TJ and other Texans 1st round busts is just obnoxious and reminds me of Cubs fans. UGH.
It took a season (w/ the new regime) to determine Carr did not have worth to this team. TJ has been with this regime for 3 going on 4 seasons and he's still here..
If he was a worthless lazy bum as you say he would not be on the roster.
The Texans' football people in charge of determining these things disagree with you. We'll see how they feel when the roster is trimmed to 53.
Is it bashing Dunta to say that he's not a top 5 corner? 'cause that's all I've ever said.
I'm not saying that TJ is anything but avg... Like Dunta, he's the best we've had at that particular position.
We've seen TJ get more snaps during the regular season at DT, than anyone else on our team..... so I've got to believe Kubiak feels the same way.
This TC, is the first time that anyone has been offered as an alternative to Travis Johnson starting at NT. I like what I saw from DelJuan Robinson & Frank Okam for that matter at the NT position, against a 2-14 team.
I'm open to either, & I won't have a problem saying that DelJuan is a better option at NT than TJ, if it proves to be the case.
Right now, everybody is all about how DelJuan "outplayed" TJ, but DelJuan has not played the NT position during the regular season.
If what you're saying is true, "QB will ALWAYS get more leeway." TJ should have been gone before Carr, if he's as bad as you say.And what does that have to do with McNair hiring Kubiak under the guidelines that he could "fix David Carr"? Take that up with McNair not me....again apples to oranges and another reach...a bust a DT isn't even close to management trying to save face of a bust with a #1 ovrl QB. The QB will ALWAYS get more leeway. You can't make the club from the tub, especially when the blob sitting in the tub was a lazy, don't give a crap, slacker even when he was healthy.
We've already had three roster cuts..... 2006, 2007, 2008. In that time, we've lost Robaire Smith, Seth Payne, Anthony Maddox, Anthony Weaver, Jason Babin, Several DTs that came through camp, and haven't made the team.Last I checked we haven't even had roster cuts yet.... wake me up when we trim down to 53.
No, that's pretty much all I've said. It just looks different coming from me.I'm pretty sure you've sad alot more than that, because nobody here would disagree with what you just typed above.
How can you say that, when they didn't play the same position? Del Juan outplayed Amobi last season..... he should be challenging for that spot.That is debatable....Deljuan was better last season.
What??Oh come on LMAO, are you really going to play that card? We all know that has more to do with his draft position/cap hit than anything else on this team. Flip draft positions with Deljuan and TJ....does TJ even start last year? Is TJ even on the team anymore. BTW you don't even have to answer that question LOL.
You don't even know that TJ & Del Juan played different positions....DelJaun was better last year, but like Kevin Walter he had to earn the starting spot and this year I think he has it.
If what you're saying is true, "QB will ALWAYS get more leeway." TJ should have been gone before Carr, if he's as bad as you say.
We've already had three roster cuts..... 2006, 2007, 2008. In that time, we've lost Robaire Smith, Seth Payne, Anthony Maddox, Anthony Weaver, Jason Babin, Several DTs that came through camp, and haven't made the team.
No, that's pretty much all I've said. It just looks different coming from me.
How can you say that, when they didn't play the same position? Del Juan outplayed Amobi last season..... he should be challenging for that spot.
What??
You don't even know that TJ & Del Juan played different positions....
Before this gets anymore confusing with all the quoting Ima say this:
Carr Bombed - Nothing personal brah, just sayin, the whining over our 1st round busts is old especially when it comes to TJ. He's a bust, that aint breaking news. Its not even news worth harping on. Yeah its a Texans board but I expect more from Houston fans than whiney Chicago Cubs fans who lament EVERY negative thing in their history as if there's a conspiring force to keep them unhappy. The NFL is a cut-throat business where guys who don't produce get cut. You're acting like TJ is Jordan Black. He is contributing SOMETHING or he wouldn't be here.
I think I might've mentioned this a few times. I don't think TJ is worth the spot he was drafted, but he isn't as bad as some make him out to be. Personally, I'd like to see him play for the Texans this season. He probably won't earn his starting role back, but he could be a decent part of our rotation.
In the end, the dude needs to get his butt on the field ASAP. Otherwise, he's going to lose out due to injury.
I'd rather have Shaun Cody take that backup spot in the rotation, who's a better player.
A better player? I don't think so. You say TJ hasn't done squat, but realistically, he's done more than Cody has in every stat since they both came out in 05. Cody couldn't win the starting job in Detroit.
I know you don't like TJ, but saying Cody is presently the better player is just flat out wrong.
No it's not, I've seen both players play and Cody is a better player....he's pretty decent against the run. Despite Detroit sucking over the years they've actually had good tackles and Cody IS Travis Johnson with health which is why I'd easily take Cody over him. TJ probably would've struggled to break through in Detroit as well. If two players are basically the same.....I'm taking the healthy one every day. How the hell is saying Cody is "presently" the better player flat out wrong when Cody is actually contributing to the team and TJ isn't doing jack crap? Sorry, but "presently" Cody IS the better player.
No it's not, I've seen both players play and Cody is a better player....he's pretty decent against the run. Despite Detroit sucking over the years they've actually had good tackles and Cody IS Travis Johnson with health which is why I'd easily take Cody over him. TJ probably would've struggled to break through in Detroit as well. If two players are basically the same.....I'm taking the healthy one every day. How the hell is saying Cody is "presently" the better player flat out wrong when Cody is actually contributing to the team and TJ isn't doing jack crap? Sorry, but "presently" Cody IS the better player.
4 seasons:
Cody 53 games
Johnson 54 games
Fair question. Inquiring minds want to know. Smith did okay. I think he played - for the few snaps the 1st team D played - better than Amobi. I think the scorekeeps gave his only tackle to someone else.
I will say this; I'm not sold on the idea that Smith needs to move inside on passing downs. I like stout guys at DT and Okam showed he can get push up the middle on passing downs. Why not leave him (Smith) at DE?
Before this gets anymore confusing with all the quoting Ima say this:
Carr Bombed - Nothing personal brah, just sayin, the whining over our 1st round busts is old especially when it comes to TJ. He's a bust, that aint breaking news. Its not even news worth harping on. Yeah its a Texans board but I expect more from Houston fans than whiney Chicago Cubs fans who lament EVERY negative thing in their history as if there's a conspiring force to keep them unhappy. The NFL is a cut-throat business where guys who don't produce get cut. You're acting like TJ is Jordan Black. He is contributing SOMETHING or he wouldn't be here.
4 seasons:
Cody 53 games
Johnson 54 games
The numbers overall are remarkably similar. Except, TJ is a starter and Shaun was mostly a rotation guy. TJ should have been getting more snaps because of that.
Tackles (solo) - 106 (80) to 91 (61)
Sacks - 2 to 1.5
Passes Defensed - 8 to 4
Interceptions - 1 to 1
Games Started - 38 to 11
Overall games - 54 to 53
Just seems like TJ has made more solo tackles and gotten his hands up more.
Just from looking at the one Chiefs preseason game, Cody seemed more active than I remember TJ ever being. I haven't seen TJ in this scheme. He might be more active in this scheme than he was in the old scheme.
I have to admit, I'm not expecting much from TJ and I think he's going to get cut and I think Cody is going to make the team.
And that my friend ^^^^^^ is exactly what HOU-TEX's point was. (I think)
The numbers overall are remarkably similar. Except, TJ is a starter and Shaun was mostly a rotation guy. TJ should have been getting more snaps because of that.
Tackles (solo) - 106 (80) to 91 (61)
Sacks - 2 to 1.5
Passes Defensed - 8 to 4
Interceptions - 1 to 1
Games Started - 38 to 11
Overall games - 54 to 53
Just seems like TJ has made more solo tackles and gotten his hands up more.
Just from looking at the one Chiefs preseason game, Cody seemed more active than I remember TJ ever being. I haven't seen TJ in this scheme. He might be more active in this scheme than he was in the old scheme.
I have to admit, I'm not expecting much from TJ and I think he's going to get cut and I think Cody is going to make the team.
4 seasons:
Cody 53 games
Johnson 54 games
Yes, yessir, it was. My bottom line is, they have both been very pedestrian to this point but the edge goes to TJ. I'd like to see TJ on field, and soon.
4 seasons:
Cody 53 games
Johnson 54 games
So if they're basically the same player (which I actually think Cody is a slightly better player), wouldn't you rather have the one that's healthy?
Okoye is the one who should be worried because of the arrival of Cody! They play the same position.I am just glad that Smith took my advice to select true nose tackle Ron Brace in the first. The laugh is on me. I am ok with Cushing but thought DT stopping the run and occasionally collapsing the pocket was a bigger need than LB.
Regardless of what round TJ was selected in, he has shown little to many fans. I've been told by other posters that he "does what the coach asks" but I still do not know what that is. Last season his 4th, Kubes had a talking session with TJ before season and it did not translate to much on the field. This is TJ final contract year and it remains to be seen if he will step up. Basic walk ons like DelJuan Robinson and Bulman should not be able to out play a 1st round guy. I know it happens but it shouldn't.
If TJ was good, why was Cody brought in? The priority need mentioned by GM & Head Coach after 08 and before free agency and the draft for 09 were in no particular order 1. Stopping the run 2. A DE to play across from Mario 3. A power runner for Red Zone that could also move the chains to eat up clock and get a 3rd down and short. 4. Reduce turn overs. Well, we signed the best DE FA available in Smith who can also move to DT & we don't know yet but that might work out. We signed Barwin and he had two very good plays... We did not draft a RB but Chris Brown did well for 6 attempts + a pass. He may be the RED Zone, 3rd & short chain mover. Turnovers well, we will see.
Stopping the run? We drafted a line backer. As I've said before, that's like signing a center fielder to make a play because your second basement can't. I am leaning hard on Smith and the scouts reps at getting good players. I think we will be all right. I wish I felt as strong that TJ was going to be all right.
Okoye is the one who should be worried because of the arrival of Cody! They play the same position.