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Kubiak's future

m5kwatts

m5kwatts

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I've been wondering this all offseason and I'm sure its been discussed in a thread somewhere so here's my question:

What has to happen in order for Kubiak to get an extension?

Some of you may already want Kubiak replaced by Cowher, some of you may think he deserves an extension as of right now, most of us are probably somewhere in between.

What I THINK is going to happen is McNair will wait until the season is over to decide. Getting to the playoffs gets an automatic extension...but this is where it gets interesting

What if we miss the playoffs win 9 games and have a great year doing it? What if we win 9 games and fight injuries all year?

Regardless, I think another 8-8 season however it happens will be the end for Kubiak unfortunately.

Personally I really like the guy and hope we have a great season and he gets that extension and hangs around for 10-15 years and we win some superbowls and make the playoffs every year but thats obviously a dream.
 
m5kwatts said:
I've been wondering this all offseason and I'm sure its been discussed in a thread somewhere so here's my question:

What has to happen in order for Kubiak to get an extension?

Some of you may already want Kubiak replaced by Cowher, some of you may think he deserves an extension as of right now, most of us are probably somewhere in between.

What I THINK is going to happen is McNair will wait until the season is over to decide. Getting to the playoffs gets an automatic extension...but this is where it gets interesting

What if we miss the playoffs win 9 games and have a great year doing it? What if we win 9 games and fight injuries all year?

Regardless, I think another 8-8 season however it happens will be the end for Kubiak unfortunately.

Personally I really like the guy and hope we have a great season and he gets that extension and hangs around for 10-15 years and we win some superbowls and make the playoffs every year but thats obviously a dream.
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If we only win 9 games, I think he is gone. If we win 10 but don't make the playoffs, he probably stays. If we make the playoffs, he stays.
 
Its up to Frank Bush. Kubiak put his faith in him and the extension goes through the defense imo...

If Mcnair extends him after another 8-8 season no matter how we "look" getting to .500 then I will lose a lot of faith in Mcnair and will no longer refer to the extending of Carr as "just an aberration."
 
TheRealJoker said:
Its up to Frank Bush. Kubiak put his faith in him and the extension goes through the defense imo...

If Mcnair extends him after another 8-8 season no matter how we "look" getting to .500 then I will lose a lot of faith in Mcnair and will no longer refer to the extending of Carr as "just an aberration."
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The boss would've already extended him if he was that dumb.... I think its going to be interesting though if we start hot like 5-0 and look great and are the talk of the league...it'll be tough fighting the temptation to extend him mid-season...not very many coaches coach out their entire first contract to the end and return to that team with an extension the next season although it appears that McNair will go that route
 
My guess is if we win more 7 or more games, he stays. If we have a major regression and go 6-10 or worse, he might be fired. Only way he definitely gets fired, knowing McNair, is if we completely tank and end up 4-12 or something awful like that
 
What if they win 8 BUT have a ton of injuries to key players? I know BITE MY TONGUE but what if that happens?

What then?
 
WWJD said:
What if they win 8 BUT have a ton of injuries to key players? I know BITE MY TONGUE but what if that happens?

What then?
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Exactly. If there is a reason (injuries, whatever) that we go 8-8 again, then I think he stays. If we go 8-8 again because of nothing in particular, and most players are still intact at the end of the season, I still think he might get one more year.

My own feelings are I like Kubiak and hope he succeeds. I hope he stays here for a long time. I still believe Kubiak will take us to the promised land.
 
He's certainly not the best but he's not bad.

And I do think the players respond to him....he seems like a real smart guy...good community guy...

He just needs to get over that hump. He can't go out and play the game...needs to work on his game/clock management....perhaps as the team excels he will as well.
 
Thorn said:
Exactly. If there is a reason (injuries, whatever) that we go 8-8 again, then I think he stays. If we go 8-8 again because of nothing in particular, and most players are still intact at the end of the season, I still think he might get one more year.

My own feelings are I like Kubiak and hope he succeeds. I hope he stays here for a long time. I still believe Kubiak will take us to the promised land.
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This is the tricky part though, his contract is up and a one year extension can't happen. #1 Kubiak rightfully so would want more stability and comfort with a multi-year extension #2 Its a tough sell to fans for the 3rd year in a row that 8-8 every year means were getting better

If Kubiak gets an extension I think its going to be the 3-5 year variety and a big time endorsement from the front office, and this is the only way it can go....
 
m5kwatts said:
This is the tricky part though, his contract is up and a one year extension can't happen. #1 Kubiak rightfully so would want more stability and comfort with a multi-year extension #2 Its a tough sell to fans for the 3rd year in a row that 8-8 every year means were getting better

If Kubiak gets an extension I think its going to be the 3-5 year variety and a big time endorsement from the front office, and this is the only way it can go....
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I didn't know his contract was up. Yikes. Go Kubes, go! Get us into the playoffs! :texflag:
 
If the offense continues to perform and the defense continues to stink on ice, I think Bob will extend Kubiak, but fire Bush and strip control of who is hired to replace him as DC from Gary.
 
I think the Texans would really have to regress for Kubiak to lose his job.
Fisher had 3 8-8 seasons with the Titans and then followed two 13-3 seasons, including a Super Bowl apperance. As long as the Texans continue to show progress Kubiak will continue to run the team. You do not fire a quality leader until he cannot continue to improve.

If the Texans lose because of injuries or lack of poersonnel, Kubiak is safe.

If he loses the locker room, or continues bone-headed play calling he will be fired.

Bob McNair is a businessman and knows that you cannot manage like AL DAVIS and ever succeed.

Kubiak is here for awhile.
TEXANS TURN IS NOW!
 
I wonder IF Kubiak got tossed if he'd be in line for another head coaching job anywhere else?

Asking you guys..is he thought of highly around the league or just another coach? I don't watch all the ESPN's and NFLN like so many do here...
 
m5kwatts said:
What if we miss the playoffs win 9 games and have a great year doing it?
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How could the Texans win 9 games, miss the playoffs, and still have what would be considered a "great year"?

Thorn said:
I didn't know his contract was up. Yikes. Go Kubes, go! Get us into the playoffs! :texflag:
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The Texans' head coach is under contract through the 2010 season.

JB said:
If the Texans lose because of injuries or lack of poersonnel, Kubiak is safe.
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He chose the personnel on this team. Other than AJ, Pitts, Dunta, and Kris Brown. How could he still get a pass because of that shortcoming?

Anyway, I doubt anyone will provide insight on this topic that wasn't already covered here.
 
Lucky said:
How could the Texans win 9 games, miss the playoffs, and still have what would be considered a "great year"?


The Texans' head coach is under contract through the 2010 season.


He chose the personnel on this team. Other than AJ, Pitts, Dunta, and Kris Brown. How could he still get a pass because of that shortcoming?

Anyway, I doubt anyone will provide insight on this topic that wasn't already covered here.
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Thanks Lucky, I was wondering when this was going to be refererred back to that thread.
 
I think it comes down to a couple simple factors:

1. Tangible improvement on D.
2. A winning record.

Contributing factors:

3. Winning the games we're supposed to win.
4. Coming into road games prepared and confident.

Any major injury or two is could derail the team but give Kubes a mulligan for a poor record.
 
Lucky said:
How could the Texans win 9 games, miss the playoffs, and still have what would be considered a "great year"?
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-If our offense puts up big numbers and were scoring 27-30 points a game like were very well capable of doing

-If the AFC is really really competitive and other 9 or 10 win teams miss the playoffs too

-If we're so rattled with injuries and I mean big ones to key guys and we still manage to win 9
 
WWJD said:
I wonder IF Kubiak got tossed if he'd be in line for another head coaching job anywhere else?

Asking you guys..is he thought of highly around the league or just another coach? I don't watch all the ESPN's and NFLN like so many do here...
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My guess would be OC'ing for whatever team hires Shanahan

The Texans would not be his last HC job if we let him go tho
 
depends on who is avabile at the time If cower or shannhan wants to be our coach then yeah kubes is on the hot seat if neither of the two wanna be coach for houston then Maybe Kubes is not on the hot seat even if we only win like 7 games
 
WWJD said:
I wonder IF Kubiak got tossed if he'd be in line for another head coaching job anywhere else?

Asking you guys..is he thought of highly around the league or just another coach? I don't watch all the ESPN's and NFLN like so many do here...
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If he got tossed, I would be surprised if he's snatched up as a HC. He would have accomplished nothing if he's fired to put him in line for a job as a head coach. I think people would view his reign (assuming 8-8 or worse next year) as a failure given the talent on this team and the rumblings of "watch out for the Texans this coming season" that we've been hearing the past couple of years.

Of course, as long as the Detroit Lions are around, there will always be a team that would hire anyone or anything, even if it were a piece of gum stuck to the bottom of a shoe. So good luck, you chewed up and spit out piece of Hubba Bubba...the Lions have their eyes on you!
 
All the fans on the Broncos message boards are waiting for McDaniels to fail and then they all want to hire Kubes.
 
m5kwatts said:
My guess would be OC'ing for whatever team hires Shanahan

The Texans would not be his last HC job if we let him go tho
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I hadn't thought of him doing that. You are probably right. Of course I'm sure he likes doing what he's doing right now. Thanks for the input.
 
IlliniJen said:
If he got tossed, I would be surprised if he's snatched up as a HC. He would have accomplished nothing if he's fired to put him in line for a job as a head coach. I think people would view his reign (assuming 8-8 or worse next year) as a failure given the talent on this team and the rumblings of "watch out for the Texans this coming season" that we've been hearing the past couple of years.

Of course, as long as the Detroit Lions are around, there will always be a team that would hire anyone or anything, even if it were a piece of gum stuck to the bottom of a shoe. So good luck, you chewed up and spit out piece of Hubba Bubba...the Lions have their eyes on you!
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I honestly don't even know who the current Lions coach is. Probably should as an NFL fan but I don't.
 
Yes it is definitely true that this is a very important year for Mr. Kubiak. My only question though is who would we replace him with?

I don't see Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, or Jon Gruden as being potential candidates. So who would we be interested in?

Unless the Texans totally tank next season, I want Kubiak to stay. Even if we go 8-8 again. (Hopefully not though!)
 
Didn't we just go through like a hundred pages of this already?

Ok it was only 26 pages of Kubes on the hotseat.
 
Grams said:
Didn't we just go through like a hundred pages of this already?

Ok it was only 26 pages of Kubes on the hotseat.
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Yes, we've already established that Kubiak, just like any coach that isn't within 2-3 yrs of a Super Bowl appearance, is on the "hot seat".

My question to all those who say "playoffs or fire the bum" continues to be: who will replace Kubiak?
I agree with Mari-Owned. Neither Cowher nor Shanahan is likely to come here - I see Jerry Jones picking up one of them as Wade Phillips' replacement after they fail to make the playoffs again this year. Dan Synder probably picks up the other one after the Jim Zorn experiment fails ...again. Both of those teams made "big splash moves" this off-season, so if they don't make the playoffs heads will roll.

I detest Gruden so much that I'd burn all my Texans gear if they hired him. I mean it.
 
WWJD said:
I honestly don't even know who the current Lions coach is. Probably should as an NFL fan but I don't.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with not knowing who the Lions's coach is, as they are in the NFL by technicality only. Don't beat yourself up, NFL fan!
 
ObsiWan said:
My question to all those who say "playoffs or fire the bum" continues to be: who will replace Kubiak?
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That's a horrible reason to keep a head coach. Either the coach is getting the job done, or he's not. Fear of replacing an unsuccessful coach is nonsensical.

WWJD said:
The bad thing is I'm too lazy to even look it up.
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Former Titan DC Jim Schwartz. Sadly, I didn't have to look it up.
 
Well there you go guys..Coach Schwartz..thanks.

Detroit seems to have the pox right now..the city is in horrible shape, the mayor is/was a crook and the Red Wings lost the Cup.

Eck! Maybe the Lions can win a game or two this year.
 
Vinny said:
They just signed the Titans ex-defensive coordinator. Jim Schwartz....too bad the Lions couldn't let him bring Fat Albert with him.
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If the Lions have ANY success this year, what's the over/under on the city making some sort of Space Balls "believe in the Schwartz!" reference?
 
Lucky said:
That's a horrible reason to keep a head coach. Either the coach is getting the job done, or he's not. Fear of replacing an unsuccessful coach is nonsensical.
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I suppose I didn't make myself clear. Fear has nothing to do with my question. I genuinely do not see anyone that's significantly better than the coaching team we've already assembled. And before people mention Cowher, ask yourself just how successful he would have been if he had Richard Smith running his defense instead of Dick LeBeau.

And regarding being "unsuccessful", I guess there are 20 "unsuccessful" coaches every season since only 12 out of 32 teams make the playoffs. So by that definition, there should be 20 guys looking for jobs every year.
 
ObsiWan said:
I suppose I didn't make myself clear. Fear has nothing to do with my question. I genuinely do not see anyone that's significantly better than the coaching team we've already assembled. And before people mention Cowher, ask yourself just how successful he would have been if he had Richard Smith running his defense instead of Dick LeBeau.

And regarding being "unsuccessful", I guess there are 20 "unsuccessful" coaches every season since only 12 out of 32 teams make the playoffs. So by that definition, there should be 20 guys looking for jobs every year.
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how many of them have four or five consecutive non-winning, non-playoff seasons?
 
ObsiWan said:
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And regarding being "unsuccessful", I guess there are 20 "unsuccessful" coaches every season since only 12 out of 32 teams make the playoffs. So by that definition, there should be 20 guys looking for jobs every year.
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No, that's you twisting words. Here is what I said.

Lucky said:
And if the Texans have a 4th consecutive non-winning, non-playoff season (0-fer franchise history, to boot), they should be just as fearless.
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That's not one bad season. Just about everyone gets a mulligan. I'm talking about the possibility of 4 non-successful seasons. Which, BTW, I am not predicting.

Did you "genuinely" see 1st year coaches like Mike Smith, John Harbaugh, and Tony Sparano turning their respective franchises around? Just because you can't forecast the possibility, doesn't mean it can't occur.
 
I don't think Kubiak would be fired, even if he went 8-8 again. Mainely because I don't see how firing Kubiak would do more good than bad. First, he has the personel for a very specific type of offense. Hiring someone like Cowher would require bigger o-linemen for a power running game, 3-4 personel for the defense, etc. Short of hiring Shannahan (which wouldn't be different), we'd set ourselves back.

How long of an extension Kubiak gets is dependent on the teams performance in 2009. He won't and shouldn't be fired.
 
BSofA04 said:
First, he has the personel for a very specific type of offense.
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The WCO is one of the most popular, and duplicated, offenses in the NFL. I'm not suggesting that this coaching staff doesn't bring its own flavor to the WCO. Just that WCO offensive geniuses aren't difficult to find.

Regarding the personnel, Andre Johnson & Steve Slaton could thrive in almost any offense. Matt Schaub isn't even the typical WCO QB. And aside from maybe Chris Myers, the offensive lineman are capable of performing in other systems. That the Texans are tied to this coaching staff, win or lose, due to the talent onhand is unfounded.
 
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Personnel would NOT be a factor in whether or not Kubiak keeps his job, it will be completely performance related. I think his job is safe if he makes the playoffs with very few exceptions otherwise.

McNair knows he has the best roster he's ever had right now. He also knows the Texans would be the most attractive coaching vacancy because of the level of talent on the current roster.

Remember, the Cowboys and Redskins can offer the opportunity to be in the limelight, but there's also the negative side to that as your job is always in question (Zorn, Phillips). And this is my opinion too but I know for a fact Cowher has his eye on the Texans job because I've heard him gush over the squad on CBS halftime shows and he always speaks highly of us. The opportunity to come coach for a great owner in great facilities and weak weak media scrutiny is VERY attractive (factor in no state income tax as well). Pair that with some of the most talented young building blocks in football (Mario, Andre, Demeco, Cushing, Slaton, etc) and the Texans make for a hot coaching opportunity and McNair knows that.

The amount of pressure on Kubiak right now is immense and I don't envy the position he's in because the expectations are very high right now.
 
Vinny said:
how many of them have four or five consecutive non-winning, non-playoff seasons?
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Tom Landry didn't make the playoffs until his seventh season.
Bill Belichick didn't make the playoffs until his fourth season as a head coach.
Jeff Fisher didn't finish above .500 until his sixth year as a head coach.

It happens.
And I'll bet the Browns wish they'd have been a bit more patient with Belichick.
 
ObsiWan said:
Tom Landry didn't make the playoffs until his seventh season.
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This one doesn't work for me....pre salary cap era...different dynamics.
ObsiWan said:
Bill Belichick didn't make the playoffs until his fourth season as a head coach.
Jeff Fisher didn't finish above .500 until his sixth year as a head coach.

It happens.
And I'll bet the Browns wish they'd have been a bit more patient with Belichick.
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there are always examples of success in a sports league. Just because you can point to a few guys doesn't make the norm.
 
Lucky said:
No, that's you twisting words. Here is what I said.


That's not one bad season. Just about everyone gets a mulligan. I'm talking about the possibility of 4 non-successful seasons. Which, BTW, I am not predicting.

Did you "genuinely" see 1st year coaches like Mike Smith, John Harbaugh, and Tony Sparano turning their respective franchises around? Just because you can't forecast the possibility, doesn't mean it can't occur.
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Given that only 4 of the players who were here when Kubiak showed up are still on the team, I considered 2006 as starting over - 2002 all over again.
Harbaugh, Sparano and Smith all had a core of solid, experienced veteran players who had come from winning teams. That contributed to their "instant" success.
Let's see if those teams sustain that success this year. Sean Payton had a "fantastic" initial season too - taking the Saints to the NFC Championship game. What have they done since?

All I'm saying is that I want us to build a sustainable winning team. Just being able to say "we made the playoffs" is kinda empty if we drop back down into the crapper the very next year. I don't want to relive 2005 ever again.

Maybe Kubiak's the guy to do that, maybe he ain't; time will tell. I just haven't seen anything that makes me think we'll go backwards, a la Capers, with Smithiak in the Head Shed.
 
Vinny said:
This one doesn't work for me....pre salary cap era...different dynamics.

there are always examples of success in a sports league. Just because you can point to a few guys doesn't make the norm.
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So which is "the norm", instant success like Harbaugh, Smith, and Sparano had last year or steady improvement that stands the test of time and results in a winning franchise?? I'm thinking that building a solid foundation takes a little time. Again, 2002 thru 2005 (and really 2006 since he was stuck with HWWNBN) don't count against the Kubiak regime.
(where's my Sunshine Club button)
 
Yuck, this thread again.....


I'll be back in the Sunshine Club if anyone wants to join me. The kool-aid is gooooooood. :texans:
 
ObsiWan said:
So which is "the norm", instant success like Harbaugh, Smith, and Sparano had last year or steady improvement that stands the test of time and results in a winning franchise?? I'm thinking that building a solid foundation takes a little time. Again, 2002 thru 2005 (and really 2006 since he was stuck with HWWNBN) don't count against the Kubiak regime.
(where's my Sunshine Club button)
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I'm on record of saying he won't be fired unless he pulls a 3 win season out of his hat....not sure why you want to prove to me he won't be fired 'cause I obviously don't think he will be. If he can't get into the playoffs in half a decade I ain't gonna put my money on him being our coach much longer....don't care how you slice it.
 
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