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Larry Johnson - The power back the Texans need.

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I just saw on NFLN that he does not want to return to the Chiefs. I don't know what it will take to get him, but I think he would be the perfect compliment to Slaton. What do you guys think and if you think he's worth pursuing, what do you think it would take to get him?
 
I think it would take too much. I also think that he will not want to come to a team that already has a premiere back.
 
Sigh.

The guy may not even get 15 carries a game with Slaton as the main guy. We're going to pay a boatload of money for a guy who:

1 - will want starter's carries.
2 - has had a TON of character issues
3 - could very likely start 2009 on suspension
4 - quit on his team in KC
5 - is very clearly a me-first, selfish player who went in the tank once he got his big contract

Not just no, but HELL no.
 
We can draft a good enough back in the 3rd or 4th round to help Slaton out. We don't need to be paying millions of bucks for another has been.

edit to say: I do think someone to help Slaton out, a short yardage brusier, is a must acquisition in the off season though.
 
DiehardChris said:
Sigh.

The guy may not even get 15 carries a game with Slaton as the main guy. We're going to pay a boatload of money for a guy who:

1 - will want starter's carries.
2 - has had a TON of character issues
3 - could very likely start 2009 on suspension
4 - quit on his team in KC
5 - is very clearly a me-first, selfish player who went in the tank once he got his big contract

Not just no, but HELL no.
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exactly.
 
Everyone lock up your wives and daughters. 4 assaults on women in the last 5 years.

Again, other people have covered it. Too much money for limited touches.
 
mexican_texan said:
That's who I'm expecting us to take a look at. There's no question he's leaving Arizona.
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Add to the fact he was a Colt at one point. Has he had injuries in Arizona?
Because I do not want any one that is injury prone. I do not want no part of damaged goods after the Awman "I'm injured again" Green experiment.


No to Larry Johnson, he is not one of our "guys". He is a very selfish player like Diehard mentioned.
 
MightyTExan said:
Agree- good at pass protection, used to the zone-blocking scheme and no significant injuries the past few seasons.
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May know a few Colt formations, also a very good receiver out of the backfield. Hightower said that James was very professional in assisting with his developement in the pro game.
 
Edge hasn't had any noteworthy injuries, but he didn't have any blocking in the Denny Green era and he doesn't fit the new regime. He had a 100 yard game to finish out the season, but for the most part, Hightower was the main guy for Arizona.
 
A big huge heaping helping of "aaaaah hells no" on LJ.

Edge is interesting, but he could be done. He didn't get any help in Arizona, where I think backs take their careers to die. I just don't know if he would be an over the hill signing ala Green. Granted, Edge has been injury free, but what's left in the tank after running behind a subpar line in Arizona?
 
Edge James

I could definately live with them alternating Slaton and Green as the lightning (like what they did with Ahman this year before he finally kicked the bucket or something similar). While they pick up a late round double quarterpounder who actually knows how to fall forward for a yard.

Especially since this would prolong Slatons career, give him a veteran role mode (a great one at that) added injury protection, and if they're both healthy and by some miracle we make the playoffs, they'll both have some serious energy saved up.

In my mind, I have Slaton averaging 18 carries, James averaging 14, and new powerback averaging 6 a game. Thats almost 40 run plays a game though ... hmm...
 
LJ is a no for me. James would be interesting, would all in all be an improvement over LJ, when coupled with looking at $, role expectations, and character issues.

If we're going to blow a whole load of coin on a veteran I would prefer shopping for Deuce, who looks set to leave the Saints (although we couldn't give him the premiere running back role he is reportedly leaving to maintain).
 
mattieuk said:
LJ is a no for me. James would be interesting, would all in all be an improvement over LJ, when coupled with looking at $, role expectations, and character issues.

If we're going to blow a whole load of coin on a veteran I would prefer shopping for Deuce, who looks set to leave the Saints (although we couldn't give him the premiere running back role he is reportedly leaving to maintain).
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Deuce?? His freakin knees are held together by duck butter nowadays. Might as well sign Cadillac Williams, who just tore his **** up.....again.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Deuce?? His freakin knees are held together by duck butter nowadays. Might as well sign Cadillac Williams, who just tore his **** up.....again.
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Not advocating that we should take this route at all (hence my terminology of 'wasting' the money.). We are just more likely to get away with a short contract on someone like Duece, or arrange it so that we aren't lumbered with large guarenteed money numbers due to health concerns (unlike our 4 yearer with Ahman) rather than having to dish out a 4 year money churner for someone who has played less games this year.

As it is, FA isn't the way to get our complimentary back for Stevie, so this is all pretty trivial for me anyways.
 
Thorn said:
edit to say: I do think someone to help Slaton out, a short yardage brusier, is a must acquisition in the off season though.
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Ron Dayne yo! He's perfect, but he's a season removed from playing. He probably visited Shipley's too man times since playing.
 
LJ=NO

Edge is interesting. I would be happy with him complimenting Slaton if they went ahead and found a big guy to power through goalline defenses in the later rounds of the draft.
 
DiehardChris said:
Sigh.

The guy may not even get 15 carries a game with Slaton as the main guy. We're going to pay a boatload of money for a guy who:

1 - will want starter's carries.
2 - has had a TON of character issues
3 - could very likely start 2009 on suspension
4 - quit on his team in KC
5 - is very clearly a me-first, selfish player who went in the tank once he got his big contract

Not just no, but HELL no.
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This pretty much summed it up. LJ will hopefully stay far away from Houston. If he ends up in Texas, I hope that LJ is wearing a Star.
 
I'm seeing Edge James dropped around here a lot. I wouldn't mind having him here either. He has did okay in Arizona (except for this year). I think he is the perfect short yardage back for us. Our O-Line is definitely better than Arizona's, so he'll do better than he did this year, where it seemed like he averaged two yards per carry.
 
What would be willing to give up in trade for either of these guys? The Chiefs aren't going to give Johnson away and the Cardinals won't give James away. So again I ask, what would y'all be willing to trade??

I would rather take my chances going the FA route:

PHP: 
2009 NFL Free Agents		
		
Player	Type	2008 Team
Shaun Alexander	UFA	Redskins
J.J. Arrington	UFA	Cardinals
Cedric Benson	UFA	Bengals
Correll Buckhalter	UFA	Eagles
Jesse Chatman	UFA	Jets
P.J. Daniels	RFA	Ravens
DeDe Dorsey	RFA	Bengals
DeShaun Foster	UFA	49ers
Sam Gado	UFA	Rams
Brandon Jacobs	UFA	Giants
Rudi Johnson	UFA	Lions
Kevin Jones	UFA	Bears
LaMont Jordan	UFA	Patriots
Travis Minor	UFA	Rams
Maurice Morris	UFA	Seahawks
Chris Perry	UFA	Bengals
Michael Pittman	UFA	Broncos
Dominic Rhodes	UFA	Colts
Darren Sproles	UFA	Chargers
Aaron Stecker	UFA	Saints
Derrick Ward	UFA	Giants
Jason Wright	UFA	Browns

Or draft someone in a later round.
 
I'd love Brandon Jacobs, but he isn't leaving. Cedric Benson sounds nice, but with how he finished the season, he'd demand more money and would want start carries. Shaun Alexander won't do us any good. Too many choices.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
I'd love Brandon Jacobs, but he isn't leaving. Cedric Benson sounds nice, but with how he finished the season, he'd demand more money and would want start carries. Shaun Alexander won't do us any good. Too many choices.
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Wouldn't be so sure about Jacobs. Giants might not give him what he wants since Bradshaw and Ward seem to be pretty good. I don't think Benson is any good, and I think Alexander won't even have a job on an NFL team, much less "be a running back".

LJ is interesting only if he doesn't want any real money and is willing to do what he's told. Edge is interesting for the same reasons.
 
Texan_Bill said:
What would be willing to give up in trade for either of these guys? The Chiefs aren't going to give Johnson away and the Cardinals won't give James away. So again I ask, what would y'all be willing to trade??

I would rather take my chances going the FA route:

PHP: 
2009 NFL Free Agents		
		
Player	Type	2008 Team
Shaun Alexander	UFA	Redskins
J.J. Arrington	UFA	Cardinals
Cedric Benson	UFA	Bengals
Correll Buckhalter	UFA	Eagles
Jesse Chatman	UFA	Jets
P.J. Daniels	RFA	Ravens
DeDe Dorsey	RFA	Bengals
DeShaun Foster	UFA	49ers
Sam Gado	UFA	Rams
Brandon Jacobs	UFA	Giants
Rudi Johnson	UFA	Lions
Kevin Jones	UFA	Bears
LaMont Jordan	UFA	Patriots
Travis Minor	UFA	Rams
Maurice Morris	UFA	Seahawks
Chris Perry	UFA	Bengals
Michael Pittman	UFA	Broncos
Dominic Rhodes	UFA	Colts
Darren Sproles	UFA	Chargers
Aaron Stecker	UFA	Saints
Derrick Ward	UFA	Giants
Jason Wright	UFA	Browns

Or draft someone in a later round.
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I'm hoping for getting one in the Draft. Shonn Greene, Iowa, 5'11" 235 lbs would be good! :shades:
 
Texan_Bill said:
What would be willing to give up in trade for either of these guys? The Chiefs aren't going to give Johnson away and the Cardinals won't give James away. So again I ask, what would y'all be willing to trade??

I would rather take my chances going the FA route:

Or draft someone in a later round.
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We wouldn't have (and shouldn't have) any interest in LJ. He's not going anywhere.

Edgerrin James is slated to make 5 million in 2009, and there are TWO running backs ahead of him on the depth chart = the Cardinals will cut him, no doubt about it... so he will be a FA.
 
DiehardChris said:
We wouldn't have (and shouldn't have) any interest in LJ. He's not going anywhere.

Edgerrin James is slated to make 5 million in 2009, and there are TWO running backs ahead of him on the depth chart = the Cardinals will cut him, no doubt about it... so he will be a FA.
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Exactly....

We have a starting running back and we don't need another, especially ones making that kind of money.

My question was rhetorical for those thinking LJ or EJ was a real possibility.
 
Correll Buckhalter would work better with Slaton IMO.

But that is not really the Texans MO. I am thinking more Alexander, Jordan or Foster to come and die on the Texans.
 
Blazing Arrow said:
Correll Buckhalter would work better with Slaton IMO.

But that is not really the Texans MO. I am thinking more Alexander, Jordan or Foster to come and die on the Texans.
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I think it will be addressed in the draft late, or as an UDFA.

By the way - despite your attempt to tweak us with your "die on the Texans" comment - I have a serious question for you - I really, REALLY like your RB Chris Henry. I think he's wasting away on the Titans because of their good talent at the position.

What exactly are the knocks on Henry? Also - could you cut him so we could sign him? :D
 
I could dig bringing Pittman in as long as we draft another youngin on the 2nd day. Pittman should come pretty cheap too. He was injured this year, but the dude is built like a brick shithouse.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Exactly....

We have a starting running back and we don't need another, especially ones making that kind of money.

My question was rhetorical for those thinking LJ or EJ was a real possibility.
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Why does that eliminate our possibilities for EJ though? He might go out and look for a starting gig somewhere and get it, but I don't think he'll get it, if he comes here he would get a reasonable salary, it'd probably be more then Slatons, but he'll get a new deal (HUGE deal if he keeps playing like this) next year anyway, and an extra incentive to play so spectacularly.

Greene would be awesome, I wouldn't be completely opposed to Pittman in FA.
 
DiehardChris said:
I think it will be addressed in the draft late, or as an UDFA.

By the way - despite your attempt to tweak us with your "die on the Texans" comment - I have a serious question for you - I really, REALLY like your RB Chris Henry. I think he's wasting away on the Titans because of their good talent at the position.

What exactly are the knocks on Henry? Also - could you cut him so we could sign him? :D
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The Titans have a history of WR coming here to die. It is just a stigma a team gets at times.

Johnson's biggest issue right now is his head. He show boats and it has almost cost him the ball a couple times. Against Polo on the Steelers he almost had it taken from his hand just to start his TD dance. The bongo drum thing was pretty stupid. He is good and I am glad we drafted him but I think he would struggle without a power back like White. He has dropped a few easy passes on important plays that were just him not concentrating. I think more of a rookie thing then anything else. Nothing major yet.

I think it is funny that the Titans took so much heat for taking Johnson but in the end the back to back RB choices in the top rounds are our bread and butter and really the main reason we went from a 10-6 team barely squeaking out wins to the top seed in the AFC
 
HOU-TEX said:
but the dude is built like a brick shithouse.
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Ya think??

Michael_Pittman.jpg
 
Brandon420tx said:
Why does that eliminate our possibilities for EJ though? He might go out and look for a starting gig somewhere and get it, but I don't think he'll get it, if he comes here he would get a reasonable salary, it'd probably be more then Slatons, but he'll get a new deal (HUGE deal if he keeps playing like this) next year anyway, and an extra incentive to play so spectacularly.

Greene would be awesome, I wouldn't be completely opposed to Pittman in FA.
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It's not just salary requirements (although scheduled to make $5,000,000.00 in 2009). There are other costs. What would you trade for him and would Arizona want what you offer?? If you are that set on EJ, than go after him after the 2009 season when he's a FA.

Give me the third or fourth round pick -or- a cheaper FA (i.e. Michael Pittman).
 
HOU-TEX said:
LMAO! Yep, that's the beast.

The dude ain't skeered to deliver a slobber-knocker either. I suppose that might be the reason he's injured. :thinking:

Anybody got the scoop on his injuries?
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Neck (Stinger)... That could be from delivering a blow. :hmmm:
 
Texan_Bill said:
It's not just salary requirements (although scheduled to make $5,000,000.00 in 2009). There are other costs. What would you trade for him and would Arizona want what you offer?? If you are that set on EJ, than go after him after the 2009 season when he's a FA.

Give me the third or fourth round pick -or- a cheaper FA (i.e. Michael Pittman).
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You don't trade ANYTHING for him, well, maybe offer the Cards a 5th or a 6th, the Cards are more then likely getting rid of him anyway unless he has a beastly postseason. If another team trades higher picks for him so be it, but if he hits Free Agency you go after him to fill the role as Slatons breather and mentor.

DiehardChris said:
We wouldn't have (and shouldn't have) any interest in LJ. He's not going anywhere.

Edgerrin James is slated to make 5 million in 2009, and there are TWO running backs ahead of him on the depth chart = the Cardinals will cut him, no doubt about it... so he will be a FA.
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Thats why the Cards cut him, if they can't get a trade worked out.
 
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