The Pencil Neck
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So, Forte doesn't last to the third.
No real surprise.
No real surprise.
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Duane Brown: First Round pick of the Texans
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WesmanTexanfan
SeNior Smack
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
My favorite clip was seeing him run stride for stride with the ballcarrier downfield and picking off defenders. That's exactly what we need out of our LT. Plus he's got the feet to handle the edge rushers that we've never had at LT. Methinks he compares favorably to a converted TE that happened to be a pro bowl LT last season in Jason Peters of the Buffalo Bills.
Texanballer
Noob
Duane Brown was ranked:
56th best overall player by Gosselin.
66th best by SI.com
85th best by ProFootballWeekly.com
165th best by Scout.com
and he went 26th overall?
we could have got him in the third round
56th best overall player by Gosselin.
66th best by SI.com
85th best by ProFootballWeekly.com
165th best by Scout.com
and he went 26th overall?
we could have got him in the third round
buddyboy
Rookie
Wow. Possibly one of the most ignorant things that I've heard in a while. O-lineman might not have "stats" that are flashy, but to think that lineman bring nothing to the table is just...
What do lineman bring? They bring precious second for a QB to make his reads and get the ball to his reciever. They bring the blocking that MAKES a running back successful or unsuccessful. They might not be catching TDs and making INTs and forcing fumbles, making highlight reels, and catching the attention of everyone out there, but O-lineman are as important as ANY position out there.
Heath Shuler
SPEED KILLS
seems like a reach to me; a project. I hope I am wrong.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
That's assuming all the teams ranked players exactly how these media services do. I can't imagine how much stuff goes on behind the scenes in every team's draft room. For all we know, Seattle or San Diego could have picked him if we passed. And how do we know he would be available to us in the 2nd if we wanted to trade up then? Or if he would be available to us in the 3rd?
Brando
Hall of Fame
He looks like he fits in Alex Gibbs offensive line. I'm easy to please as a fan.
Go Texans!
MojoMan
Hall of Fame
Assuming those people's projections are correct - we could have had him in the third. Apparently the Texan's staff did not believe they were correct, and boldly decided to ignore them all.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
lol exactly
No man, things never go as planned. Brown was a second round grade and the best "pure LT" left....the Texans reached but no way would he be available for the 16th pick in the 3rd round. Considering that we don't have a second round pick, maybe this wasn't sooo bad.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Way before the draft, Kubiak and Smith said they were looking for a LT to bring in and GROOM for the LT position. That's what they got. They searched through all the LT's available and this is the guy they decided they liked.
This guy is the classic Alex Gibb's LT.
scourge
Digression King
we traded down when we picked up Travis Johnson, too... I did boo for that one. I thought we should've stayed put for a LT or LB(Derrick Johnson)
For this one, i didn't boo, but i was sure blindsided. More like a "WTF?!?" I didn't think the rest of the Tackles were 1st round material.
I told my wife as soon as they said Dallas was leap frogging us that they were gonna take Jenkins before we could. When that happened i was hoping for a trade down, or possibly Phillips or Flowers. But whatever, as long as he turns out alright, I'm ok with it. It was a position of need. Now in the 3rd I expect to see a db and/or rb.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It was the 2007 season that the Hokies gave up 56 sacks, 8.5 going to Brown.
Yogi Berra once said that "when you come to a fork in the road, you take it"...................I guess Gibbs/Smithiak "took it"............Maybe they see something that allows them to feel that the 8.5 sacks were not truly on Brown alone since the rest of the OL could hardly have been considered a decent support cast. Although with some healthy skecpticm, I'm willing to wait for final judgement..............hopefully, we won't end up "taking it".............in the butt.
Hottoddie
Veteran
When the Texan's traded down to #26, I said to myself, they're going after Baker or Brown, in that order. Then, Atlanta comes out of nowhere & snags Baker. If what's being reported is true, & the Texans were after Brown all along, then I'm happy & it proves that the front office is exceptionally good at getting their man. My only gripe is that we just got a 3rd & 6th round pick for trading down 8 spots with Mendenhall on the board.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Best type of fan a team could ask for! Glad you're still on TexanSam's bandwagon along with me and Grid and others.He looks like he fits in Alex Gibbs offensive line. I'm easy to please as a fan.
Go Texans!
beerlover
Hall of Fame
found one mock draft site who had projected Duane Brown as a 1st rd. pick going #27 to San Diego. so maybe not that far off base at all 
http://walterfootball.com/draft2008.php
http://walterfootball.com/draft2008.php
GP
Go Texans!
I was upset, too. But remember we got a starting center from the Broncos.
Secondly, Duane Brown might allow Spencer to move to the right side.
Those three things, in addition to having a legitimate oline coach (finally), might just upgrade the whole offense.
But I know what you're saying: Amobi fell to us last year, and I was ready to yell "MENDENHALL!" over and over until the Ravens logo popped up...and then I knew it was all over. I mean, when the Ravens logo popped up...my gut began to twist BIG TIME.
Watching Mendenhall go to the Steelers was like raking razors on my rear. Watching Chris Johnson go to the Titans was like sliding into a pool of rubbing alcohol afterward--I had said that Chris Johnson would go in the first, and some people here thought he was no better than a 2nd rounder. And with Mike Jenkins going right in front of us, I knew what to expect here on the boards. Missing out on 2 RBs and a decent DB was r-o-u-g-h.
My only hope is that Schefter said he felt this was the "sleeper" pick. He seemed to like it a lot, and I think Schefter is a fairly unbiased guy when it comes to identifying teams' needs.
Kubiak just showed us what he thinks of Alex Gibbs.
Heath Shuler
SPEED KILLS
I'm pretty sure he also said we needed a CB and edge rusher.
Imatexanfan
Hall of Fame
Well I'm pissed about the Pick but at least we "could" get Jamaal Charles in the 3rd that'll kick ass
Mark your words?....like the time we weren't getting rid of HWSNBN?
Like I told the guy who interviewed me after the game...I wasn't "ecstatic" by any means, but I was satisfied. Lotsa depth in this draft, and we missed the guys we really wanted early. (including the last-minute snipe from the cowgirls).
GP
Go Texans!
Oh, and we just drafted an OL for the first time (correct?) in the first round. This is a major miracle that a lot of us thought would never happen. There's guys here who were aching for an OL in the first round every year, and we got one now--He's not the hyped OL we've had crammed down our throats by the media for 4 months, but hey....whatta' ya gonna do?
Duane might have lasted to the 2nd, but we didn't have a 2nd. It's not a reach when your oline coach was willing to trade down, scoop up an extra 3rd rounder for the trade-down with Balitmore (we need MORE picks, remember???), and still get a mobile yet aggressive OL that was thought to be a fit for our team/system.
I had said we'd pass on Mendenhall even if he fell to us, because Kubiak will never ever take a RB in the first. Thus, I can't wait to see how many drafts before we take a RB in the first round. Passing on Mendenhall and Chris Johnson was hard for me, because I felt those two guys are legit RBs, but I'm going to trust that our new center, a rookie OLineman, and maybe Spencer healthy and moved to the right side is going to solidify what has always been a weak line.
Draft season is my favorite time of year--It's like watching the results show on American Idol. Only better.
Duane might have lasted to the 2nd, but we didn't have a 2nd. It's not a reach when your oline coach was willing to trade down, scoop up an extra 3rd rounder for the trade-down with Balitmore (we need MORE picks, remember???), and still get a mobile yet aggressive OL that was thought to be a fit for our team/system.
I had said we'd pass on Mendenhall even if he fell to us, because Kubiak will never ever take a RB in the first. Thus, I can't wait to see how many drafts before we take a RB in the first round. Passing on Mendenhall and Chris Johnson was hard for me, because I felt those two guys are legit RBs, but I'm going to trust that our new center, a rookie OLineman, and maybe Spencer healthy and moved to the right side is going to solidify what has always been a weak line.
Draft season is my favorite time of year--It's like watching the results show on American Idol. Only better.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Johnson is the real deal, but one year later, I still have no clue what happened with the Chris Henry pick. Still don't get it.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Watch them get dumber and take Jamaal Charles.
GP
Go Texans!
But I think THIS pick is like hitting the "undo" button.
I think THIS pick is the real deal. Nobody, not even the casual NFL fan, thought Chris Henry was a good pick.
I watched Chris Johnson play in his bowl game...he was a FORCE. It got to the point where they were faking handoffs, or faking pitches, or faking throws to Chris Johnson...just because he was doing so much damage earlier in the game...and it was opening up the whole offense.
And unlike Regie Bush, Chris Johnson would lower his shoulder and plow a defender. He is a scrapper. He's a Marshawn Lynch-type player, but with amazing speed.
But hey...we needed RB AND OL. We chose OL. That's how it goes. I expect RB in the third.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Well we talked about the worst case scenario and what it would be and it pretty much happened, except Mendenhall was available. No LT worthy of the 18, and the Texans top 2 CB's off the board, to top OLB's off the board. I thought we'd take Mendenhall or Jenkins there or trade down.
Kind of surprising seeing Mendenhall and Jenkins fall so far in the 1st round today. Lance called it yesterday, that these two were slipping (his final mock had RM at 23 to Pitt and MJ at 30 to ATL). So, it makes me feel a little better the Texans saw the same thing in them as everyone else...kind of odd.
Was Duane Brown my top choice? No, but after Albert and Wiliams were off the board, we HAD to trade down to get our LT and that's exactly what we did. Duane Brown is not a Nobody and if you've never heard of him, then you havn't read up on the draft particularly about possible Texans Prospects.
Don't let everyone fool you, he was not going to last to the 3rd round, just like Matt Forte we weren't going to get Matt Forte in the 3rd round, and like Antoine Cason wasn't a late 2nd or early 3rd rd pick.
Duane Brown was shooting up the boards and was easily an early 2nd rd pick. We traded down, gained more picks and selected him very near the end of the 1st round.
He's a prototypical Left Tackle and exactly what Gibbs and Kubiak were looking for. For them to select an OL in the 1st round- I knew I was going to be on board with whomever it was because these are extremely smart minds, esp. when it comes to the OL. If he was the LT for our team we HAD to take him there, he wouldn't have been available later, despite what many may think.
I too was really looking forward to Mendenhall, Jenkins or Cason. But I'm not going to bash the pick of Brown because we finally got the LT we've been waiting for and our OL is pretty darn near complete. I fully believe that our OL of the future are now all on the team already and they just need the coaching. LT was the most important position we needed to address and we did.
Kind of surprising seeing Mendenhall and Jenkins fall so far in the 1st round today. Lance called it yesterday, that these two were slipping (his final mock had RM at 23 to Pitt and MJ at 30 to ATL). So, it makes me feel a little better the Texans saw the same thing in them as everyone else...kind of odd.
Was Duane Brown my top choice? No, but after Albert and Wiliams were off the board, we HAD to trade down to get our LT and that's exactly what we did. Duane Brown is not a Nobody and if you've never heard of him, then you havn't read up on the draft particularly about possible Texans Prospects.
Don't let everyone fool you, he was not going to last to the 3rd round, just like Matt Forte we weren't going to get Matt Forte in the 3rd round, and like Antoine Cason wasn't a late 2nd or early 3rd rd pick.
Duane Brown was shooting up the boards and was easily an early 2nd rd pick. We traded down, gained more picks and selected him very near the end of the 1st round.
He's a prototypical Left Tackle and exactly what Gibbs and Kubiak were looking for. For them to select an OL in the 1st round- I knew I was going to be on board with whomever it was because these are extremely smart minds, esp. when it comes to the OL. If he was the LT for our team we HAD to take him there, he wouldn't have been available later, despite what many may think.
I too was really looking forward to Mendenhall, Jenkins or Cason. But I'm not going to bash the pick of Brown because we finally got the LT we've been waiting for and our OL is pretty darn near complete. I fully believe that our OL of the future are now all on the team already and they just need the coaching. LT was the most important position we needed to address and we did.
If you look at the "Draft Value Chart", you'll see that the exchange is not that
far off. It's pretty close. And I'm glad we got 2 more picks in the deal.
Now for all of those people who are upset that we didn't get the Illini RB, just remember he got a lot of pub and hype about his Rose Bowl game, etc. when
he only played one year as the starter in college. The guy that started ahead of him last year was an undrafted FA who went to the Saints. So
Mendenthaul probably wasn't really that good. Frankly I like the mentality of
treating running backs as a commodity. A few of them are special, but there's so many athletic, talented backs coming into the NFL every year a team just doesn't need to waste high draft picks on securing one.
But I dunno about this pick ? We got 2 excellent OTs 2 years ago, and that was in the third round. I think we deserved more for this years 1st rounder ?
Htownsportsfan
Rookie
One of the most knowledgable football guysa in Houston is Lance Z now on 1560 and as he has said from day one Alewx Gibbs will be our biggest offseason acquisition this year. The guys is a witch when it comes to the O'line, had Denver leading thre NFL in rushing went to Atlanta and thn they take oiver the top spot leading the league in rushing. One of his best skills is finding talent that fits his scheme while others are passing them bye. If Brown was the guy he wanted then get his a$$ get him into camp and then get the Hell out of the way. If they really wanted Brown fromthe get go then they did a hell of a job drafting by picking up picks and still getting their guy.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Brohm to GB as a backup for Rodgers... wow...
EDIT: Ooops. Thought I was in another thread when I typed this.
EDIT: Ooops. Thought I was in another thread when I typed this.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Maybe not as the backup...
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
If it makes anyone feel any better I read two mocks yesterday that said Brown was a sleeper and had the athleticism to be a a late 1st/early 2nd rounder. Made me think he might be a guy to target. I think they had their mind set as the board fell a certain way.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
I hate this pick. In fact this is the same way I felt when we passed on DJ and drafted Travis Johnson.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
I was in my car listening to Ted Deluca and John Lopez when they made the pick and it made me sick to my stomach. Not the pick, but Lopez and Deluca trying to act as if they know what they're talking about, dissing the pick, trying to stir some controversy, etc...
What we'll never know is if some other team had him targeted early in the 2nd round.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
That is the disappointment. The Skins did the same thing to move 4 spots and threw in a 4th I think to get a 2nd. A 2nd is Round 1b in this day and age. 8 spots should have been worth more.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Yep. I hate this draft so far.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Thats what I said. I think someone after us got a 1st and a 4th for trading back.
The desperation to add more picks was evident.
BPA my left foot.
Tulip
Veteran
But before that, no one was giving up a second. The old JJ draft value chart has very little value anymore.
BTW, did you guys catch that in the other thread? The Texans wouldn't even trade back 2 more spots with Seattle at 28 - that's how set they were on Duane Brown.
Here's what really bothers me about this guy. John Harris, who knows his football talent, was on the 1560 Draft show today with LZ and he said he's been watching this guy play in college for the last 2 years and even went to the East-West Shrine game here in Houston this year and saw him practice & play in person. Harris said Duane Brown is a 4th round pick !
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
Then we found a keeper because our 4th rounders have been awesome.
:elle:
We got a 1st, a 3rd, and a 6th for trading back :P.
We got the same value that everyone else got. Complaining about what we got for trading back is just whining...we could not have gotten more.
281
Veteran
not this year, since this is a draft that's deep but not spectacular.
MojoMan
Hall of Fame
Well said. Positive rep for your spot-on comment.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Yeah, get ready for lots of that. I can't imagine any of the radio personalities liking this pick. It's almost guaranteed that the entirety of the sports media is going to **** on this pick and our entire draft because of it.
I don't think he's really going to contribute a lot this year though, and I do also think we might've had a decent shot at getting him in the 3rd round. But he's an athletic Olinemen which pretty much fits what the system calls for.
Cheers.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Wow. Help me understand what you are trying to say here. We use our first rounder on a fourth round pick?