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OK, I'll start it, now that Steve McNair retired from the Ravens, maybe the Ravins will give up a 2nd rounder for Sage.
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where do they pick in second?
The Ravens pick # 8 in the first, I'm guessing in 8 in the 2nd also or somewhere near # 8.
Sage needs to remain a TEXAN!!
Yep! I don't want to lose him either, (especially when Schaub wasn't the healthiest guy in the world for us last year) but if the deal is too good to pass, you take it.I'd rather not give up Sage, but if the price is right you gotta strike while the irons hot...
I'd rather not give up Sage, but if the price is right you gotta strike while the irons hot...
You do not make choices on a player because he or another might get knocked out of a game.
QFTThread title makes no sense.
I'd rather not give up Sage, but if the price is right you gotta strike while the irons hot...
I dunno anything about the Ravens offense, wonder if Sage is a fit for what they run ?
Sage needs to remain a TEXAN!!
Kubiak and Smith are going to have to take some calculated risks to get this team competitive.
It just amazes me that it is so easy to pull the trigger to resign Carr for $8 million, release Carr, trade two 2nd round draft picks for Schaub, and then can't pull the trigger on Rosenfels because he is this supposed in the bank commodity.
The Texans have dumped so much into the QB position with 2 guys and it just appears we are still in the same position from an overall team perspective. Which means now the Texans have to have a platoon of QBs to make it through a season that probably means last place in the AFC South with or with Sage.
Please listen to this, Sage as a Texan is not a great investment to get out of the AFC cellar, particularly when you could get a 2nd round pick.
Trading Sage is minimal risk when looking at the big jump the Texans need to make and what impact Sage would be on that jump.
Sure it makes you guys feel better because there is a perceived better backup, but keeping Sage doesn't get the Texans out of the cellar.
There are too many holes to fill to keep such an insurance policy at the QB position.
I have been saying this for years now, but this fascination with the QB position is biggest problem for the Texans.
Besides, Kubiak is supposed to be a QB guru. You can't tell me he can't find another guy on the scrap heap the way he found Sage in the first place.
Kubiak and Smith are going to have to take some calculated risks to get this team competitive.
It just amazes me that it is so easy to pull the trigger to resign Carr for $8 million, release Carr, trade two 2nd round draft picks for Schaub, and then can't pull the trigger on Rosenfels because he is this supposed in the bank commodity.
The Texans have dumped so much into the QB position with 2 guys and it just appears we are still in the same position from an overall team perspective. Which means now the Texans have to have a platoon of QBs to make it through a season that probably means last place in the AFC South with or with Sage.
Please listen to this, Sage as a Texan is not a great investment to get out of the AFC cellar, particularly when you could get a 2nd round pick.
Trading Sage is minimal risk when looking at the big jump the Texans need to make and what impact Sage would be on that jump.
Sure it makes you guys feel better because there is a perceived better backup, but keeping Sage doesn't get the Texans out of the cellar.
There are too many holes to fill to keep such an insurance policy at the QB position.
I have been saying this for years now, but this fascination with the QB position is biggest problem for the Texans.
Besides, Kubiak is supposed to be a QB guru. You can't tell me he can't find another guy on the scrap heap the way he found Sage in the first place.
Kubiak and Smith are going to have to take some calculated risks to get this team competitive.
It just amazes me that it is so easy to pull the trigger to resign Carr for $8 million, release Carr, trade two 2nd round draft picks for Schaub, and then can't pull the trigger on Rosenfels because he is this supposed in the bank commodity.
The Texans have dumped so much into the QB position with 2 guys and it just appears we are still in the same position from an overall team perspective. Which means now the Texans have to have a platoon of QBs to make it through a season that probably means last place in the AFC South with or with Sage.
Please listen to this, Sage as a Texan is not a great investment to get out of the AFC cellar, particularly when you could get a 2nd round pick.
Trading Sage is minimal risk when looking at the big jump the Texans need to make and what impact Sage would be on that jump.
Sure it makes you guys feel better because there is a perceived better backup, but keeping Sage doesn't get the Texans out of the cellar.
There are too many holes to fill to keep such an insurance policy at the QB position.
I have been saying this for years now, but this fascination with the QB position is biggest problem for the Texans.
Besides, Kubiak is supposed to be a QB guru. You can't tell me he can't find another guy on the scrap heap the way he found Sage in the first place.
Wasn't Carr resigned during the Casserly era? Why, yes he was. Carr should have never been resigned, and would not have if Kubiak and Smith were leading the Texans like they are now.
Assuming we trade for Vikings high 3rd and their 6th, we could add a quality saftey, pass-rushing DE, CB, LB, and even LT!
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraftround3.html
Look at the talents that could be there in the 3rd! I would take any of our needs over Sage "the product"(of kubes) Rosenfels.
One last thing (and I've blathered about this before), but somebody made the comment that if Sage sits on the bench all next season that his value will go down. I think it's the opposite. He's valued as high as he's ever been right now, and backup QB's who don't play only see their stock rise. I challenge anybody to give me an example of a highly rated backup QB who didn't play (or didn't play much) during a season and was subsequently downgraded. It just doesn't happen. The only way Sage's value goes down next year if he stays a Texan is if he takes a significant amount of snaps and plays poorly.
Don't overlook the Packers as a trading partner, particularly since the Vikings have expressed an interest and we signed Quinn Gray out from under them.
I'm definitely in the "trade Sage" camp if we can do as well as a third-rounder. My guess is that this time next year we'd be lucky to get a fifth-rounder for him. Buy low, sell high.
Those back-ups QB that was valued highly wasn't 30 years old either. They were young with a year or two before entering their prime. Rosenfels on the otherhand, IS in his prime.
Besides, Kubiak is supposed to be a QB guru. You can't tell me he can't find another guy on the scrap heap the way he found Sage in the first place.
In terms of would the Texans take the 38th pick - that's a no brainer. They've all but said they would have done the Vikings deal for their #2, and that's several picks later than the Ravens.
As far as the Ravens doing the deal, I think the chances are pretty much zero. There's a decent chance that Ryan will be there when they pick in round one, and if he's not, or they go in another direction, between Henne, Brohm and Flacco, somebody pretty highly regarded will be available in round two.
I love having Sage at the backup QB - I think he's just starting to get the recognition he deserves, but even I wouldn't give up the #38 pick for him.
One last thing (and I've blathered about this before), but somebody made the comment that if Sage sits on the bench all next season that his value will go down. I think it's the opposite. He's valued as high as he's ever been right now, and backup QB's who don't play only see their stock rise. I challenge anybody to give me an example of a highly rated backup QB who didn't play (or didn't play much) during a season and was subsequently downgraded. It just doesn't happen. The only way Sage's value goes down next year if he stays a Texan is if he takes a significant amount of snaps and plays poorly.
Kubiak and Smith are going to have to take some calculated risks to get this team competitive.
It just amazes me that it is so easy to pull the trigger to resign Carr for $8 million, release Carr, trade two 2nd round draft picks for Schaub, and then can't pull the trigger on Rosenfels because he is this supposed in the bank commodity.
The Texans have dumped so much into the QB position with 2 guys and it just appears we are still in the same position from an overall team perspective. Which means now the Texans have to have a platoon of QBs to make it through a season that probably means last place in the AFC South with or with Sage.
Please listen to this, Sage as a Texan is not a great investment to get out of the AFC cellar, particularly when you could get a 2nd round pick.
Trading Sage is minimal risk when looking at the big jump the Texans need to make and what impact Sage would be on that jump.
Sure it makes you guys feel better because there is a perceived better backup, but keeping Sage doesn't get the Texans out of the cellar.
There are too many holes to fill to keep such an insurance policy at the QB position.
I have been saying this for years now, but this fascination with the QB position is biggest problem for the Texans.
Besides, Kubiak is supposed to be a QB guru. You can't tell me he can't find another guy on the scrap heap the way he found Sage in the first place.
I heard Todd McShay talking today on the Herd and he thinks all the top Tackles (Long, Clady, Otah, Williams)will be gone no later than pick 15. Albert is gonna be gone most likely too. I was thinking maybe the Texans might try and move up to Chicago's #14 slot by trading Sage to them for swapping 1st round picks and getting their 3rd. Would you do it if it meant the last of the top tackle prospects was about to be drafted just ahead of you?
Read this article about mocks. I posted it in another thread but it is really enlightening on how important mocks are to nfl teams to use as a tool to help them determine where a player they have targeted will go. So if the Texans have a LT targeted it might help you in determining what you think the Texans would do.
http://texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49367
I'm somewhat dissapointed. This thread pops up (as it should)
Assuming we trade for Vikings high 3rd and their 6th, we could add a quality saftey, pass-rushing DE, CB, LB, and even LT!
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If the Vikes trade for Jared Allen, I doubt they will be in a position to swing any more deals.
Move up with what? A phantom 2nd round pick from a deal that will never take place? The Texans only have 5 draft picks. Unless they dig into the '09 bag of picks, they don't have the ammo to move up anyway.I f
the Texan's moved up for a top end tackle, that would be a comitment to the QB poition that they've never made before....I'll believe it when I see it.
True that AJ, but if I were a Vikes fan I would be less that comfortable with the QB situation. Ferrotte..........not warming the cockles of my heart as the backup.
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the Texan's moved up for a top end tackle, that would be a comitment to the QB poition that they've never made before....I'll believe it when I see it.
agreed only a fool or a baseball writer would not recognise that this could be the richest offensive line tallent in NFL draft history. and the Texan's history suggests they will wiff one more time.
Great #2 Qb is a luxuary. Some of y'all need to make up your minds....do you want to win the division or do you want to stock pile QBs ?
If the Vikes trade for Jared Allen, I doubt they will be in a position to swing any more deals.