Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Or is McClain smoking the crack rock again?
http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2008/03/im_excited_about_texans_rbs_fi_1.html
http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2008/03/im_excited_about_texans_rbs_fi_1.html
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Kube's high on Taylor?
- Thread starter Errant Hothy
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Dude don't take the bait this is a complete smoke screen for the other teams to bite on. It's obvious the Texans are going to draft a running back really high because they haven't done anything in free agency to at least address the position. IMO the texans are poised to draft a running back in round 1 which one we don't know but all of moves are pointing in that direction.
Any reason they can find not to use their #18 pick on a running back is fine
with me. Hey, I'd rather see them draft another DLineman than a back.
"Backs are a dime a dozen".
But I'm also a Chris Taylor fan and I'm glad to hear he's his recovery/rehab from the knee has been a success and Kubiak & Co have positive vibes about him. I assume this includes Gibbs ?
with me. Hey, I'd rather see them draft another DLineman than a back.
"Backs are a dime a dozen".
But I'm also a Chris Taylor fan and I'm glad to hear he's his recovery/rehab from the knee has been a success and Kubiak & Co have positive vibes about him. I assume this includes Gibbs ?
Hearing what exactly and from whom?
I to can write a bunch of speculative crap without saying any real details.
AGREED
I can speculate better than Johnny Hollywood.
We have the same sources (THE INTERNET).
Where's Anna-Meagan?
Man Chris Taylor hasn't done crap he has been nothing but pre-season cannon fodder and hasn't played on consistant basis not to draft a running back in the 1st 2 rounds it's all smoke man.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Man Chris Taylor hasn't done crap he has been nothing but pre-season cannon fodder and hasn't played on consistant basis not to draft a running back in the 1st 2 rounds it's all smoke man.
Well, we don't have a 2nd round pick.
Second, Taylor has been in the league for two seasons. In his first season, he worked his way on to the team as an undrafted free agent, into the active roster, and rushed for 100 yards in his last game as a rookie- his only start.
Last year he tore his ACL and missed the season.
Perhaps your perspective is a little harsh?
Goldensilence
hipster elite
I don't think he'll be there at 18 but one year wonders make me nervous.
I think we'd find better value later in the draft for a RB. I think The Reeves signing and re-signing Demps made secondary a bit easier but I think it's very possible with the situation we could take DRC not looking to start him right away.
I'd be sad if Chris Williams makes it there to 18 and we pass him up.
nero THE zero
All Pro
I like Chris Taylor and think he could be a good player but I'm certainly not going to take John McClain's word for anything.
drewmar74
disgruntled
I don't care who we have at RB. I don't care who starts. I don't care who the primary back up is. I don't care if we draft them, sign them, or already have them on the roster.
I don't care as long as they can:
1) Consistently get us 80-100 ypg.
2) Pick up the blitz
3) Not fumble
4) Not tiptoe at the LOS
5) Not cause any career ending injuries to our O-line
6) Break an occasional long run
7) Force the opposing D to at least contemplate the possibility that we may run and do so for positive yards.
Is that too much to ask for?
I don't care as long as they can:
1) Consistently get us 80-100 ypg.
2) Pick up the blitz
3) Not fumble
4) Not tiptoe at the LOS
5) Not cause any career ending injuries to our O-line
6) Break an occasional long run
7) Force the opposing D to at least contemplate the possibility that we may run and do so for positive yards.
Is that too much to ask for?
barrett
All Pro
i'm also super high on Taylor but I have to agree that he's shown little to us as fans. The coaches have seen alot more from him than we have and I trust in their personnel decisions. I'd love to see us loaded at RB and trade some away next year or in the draft but I'd also love to see our Defense solidified and feared. Our offense was already doing pretty well. Taylor may be "great" but he may also be "good enough" or at least he and Green and Walker may be "good enough".
DaleMurphy, call me about season tickets....
DaleMurphy, call me about season tickets....
prostock101
Mr. Big
Kubaik has always been high on Taylor. Note that his keyword for a player he likes is "special." Like, 'He has a chance to be a really "special" player in this league." So if you hear Kub say "special" about a player, he likes likes him!
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
It shouldn't be a surprise that the team is high on Taylor, they were high on him last year before he broke down.
If he is fully recovered he will be a piece to the running back puzzle but I'm not going to assume that he is the answer by himself, then again who could have imagined Ryan Grant would of had the season he had last year.
The thing with Running Backs is that there are a lot of factors that can fall into place to make them good such as scheme, blocking, fit for the system, injuries or strength of the passing game. I trust our running game will be better this year because I trust the aforementioned things will be better this year because of our coaching staff/front office. Be it Taylor, Green, Walker, or player to be named, we will be better this year than last.
If he is fully recovered he will be a piece to the running back puzzle but I'm not going to assume that he is the answer by himself, then again who could have imagined Ryan Grant would of had the season he had last year.
The thing with Running Backs is that there are a lot of factors that can fall into place to make them good such as scheme, blocking, fit for the system, injuries or strength of the passing game. I trust our running game will be better this year because I trust the aforementioned things will be better this year because of our coaching staff/front office. Be it Taylor, Green, Walker, or player to be named, we will be better this year than last.
WesmanTexanfan
SeNior Smack
YA BOY, Pass that Taylor blunt this way......
I love this guy as well, I think he and walker can do some real damage behind the new look O line....
I love this guy as well, I think he and walker can do some real damage behind the new look O line....
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Think about this...
After next season (or this season) Dayne leaves through FA and they release Ahman Green. 1st round goes towards OL or CB and they get a really solid RB in the 3rd (or 4th) Round this draft.
Gibbs and Kubiak find some quality guys that fit their system and the OL starts to improve and get better. They "gel" during the '08 season and going into '09 we finally have a viable Center that emerged during the season and competition all along the line weeded out who is going to be the starters in Gibbs OL.
So to recap: Going into the 2009 Season we have (1) A much improved Offensive Line that has spend the previous season playing together and learning the system and (2) A (running) backfield of Chris Taylor, Darius Walker, and the '08 Rookie' draft pick say a Matt Forte, Ray Rice, or Kevin Smith type of back.
Assuming that this would all be effective, and I think there is a great chance of that... do you realize how inexpensive our backfield would cost!!?? It'd probably be the cheapest in the league. That's a lot of bang for your buck.
On top of that but we're able to spend other draft picks to fix up the OL, improve the secondary, and defense as a whole. Going into 2009 season, Mario, Amobi, Travis Johnson all have played together more and are maturing, Demeco Ryans is still just as solid as ever + maybe an emergence of a solid OLB, Dunta Robinson should be completely healed (crosses fingers), Fred Bennett continues to grow and improve, Reeves proves to be a solid nickle back?? CC Brown + Glenn Earl as SS's, Demps as FS and possibly a 1st round CB in the '08 draft? Our defense would develop into a KILLER D.
WesmanTexanfan
SeNior Smack
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IlliniJen
Hall of Fame
Hearing what exactly and from whom?
I to can write a bunch of speculative crap without saying any real details.
I'm just surprised he got around to writing about sports and put his Anna Megan obsession aside for 5 minutes.
Remember, this is the same McCain that once said the Texans were going to draft VY. I really think one of his "sources" is a magic 8-ball.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
If by "really high" you mean first round, I would call that far from obvious. If you mean 3rd round, I'd call that not "really high". If by really high you're talking about McClain - well, maybe.
I'm hoping Taylor makes a full recovery and can stay healthy for an entire season. The guy hasn't stayed healthy enough to be called injury prone yet, just injured. I really like him but and Walker. I see no need to spend a first day pick on a RB when the big forte of this coaching staff is supposed to be making a 1,000 yd. rusher out of just about anyone and/or finding gems in the lower rounds. We need to be looking for a shut down CB in the 1st. Walker and Dayne can be my 1-2 punch out the backfield. They did pretty OK last season.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Or perhaps he has an agenda and will skew everything to that result. Sounds like the election doesn't it?
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
The plan isn't to hand him the job. I think it is to give him a shot to show he deserves the carries before they spend heavy on another back and overcrowd the backfield with dollars and draft picks while not addressing other positions which need upgrading... After all, while we can argue whether CTaylor could be the answer at RB, I don't think we can have that argument about Faggins at CB or Salaam at LT.
For what it's worth, we're bringing in Chris Brown tomorrow... I think that further legitimizes what McClain was saying.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
The longer I think about it the more I believe that we will have a 2nd round pick or at the very least a pair of 3's.
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
I have a very strong hunch we are going to go D with #18 pick if we don't/can't trade back. I fell it will be CB (Talib/McKelvin, DRC, etc.) or perhaps even a LB (Rivers, or there is an OLB I was reading about the name escapes me at the moment).
I do not think there is a good chance we will go RB. I really would LOVE Mendenhall to fall to us and be proven wrong, it would be foolish to pass on him.
I do not think there is a good chance we will go RB. I really would LOVE Mendenhall to fall to us and be proven wrong, it would be foolish to pass on him.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
........................and that he could be destined to do well in the "special" olympics.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Chris Taylor is pretty much an NFL unknown other than Kubiak liked what he saw during camp. I don't think there is a ton of reason to crush him or praise him.
You never know with the ZBS they are implementing. I am guessing the running game will look completely different next year, no matter who they get. Kubiak + Sherman I believe will look different than Kubiak + Gibbs. Because the the latter will have a consistent philosophy and offensive look.
Here is some crazy and implausible for you.
I like that Kubiak has kind words for a guy who has been working hard to come back. He said good words about him before he got injured too.
I think it is inevitable that the Texans will draft running back.
I think the Texans will take best player available at 18 (and won't be against trading down).
I think the Texans needs are greater on defense, but that the defense will be less exposed if the Texans have a running game that is functional, puts less pressure on the passing game, and takes time off of the clock.
The question is how much help are they going to give Gibbs to achieive that.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Taylor's special skill will be bringing the 1st or 3rd round drafted RB Gatorade
WesmanTexanfan
SeNior Smack
Im PMing this to myself, your on the record....
The texans and mclain are in the people business so everyone texan is someone they are high on . Me personally , i have not seen anything from Taylor that i have seen from every other running back we employ .
b0ng
Bad Hombre
This sounds like some rehashed regurgitated crap from McLain, again. Kubes was high on Taylor about this time last year if I remember right, so I don't see why he would or wouldn't be high on him now (Barring the injury of course). Football season is in the doldrums right now and McLain hasn't done another poorly shot video, so we get this, yay!
If I remember correctly, didn't Taylor tear the meniscus in his knee, not his ACL? I don't know. . .
Anyways, I'm sure Taylor, Walker, and Green are all going to be competing in training camp, and I'll be really shocked if Taylor is RB1 come the first regular season game. He'll be a 3rd year pro who has yet to start in 2 consecutive games.
If I remember correctly, didn't Taylor tear the meniscus in his knee, not his ACL? I don't know. . .
Anyways, I'm sure Taylor, Walker, and Green are all going to be competing in training camp, and I'll be really shocked if Taylor is RB1 come the first regular season game. He'll be a 3rd year pro who has yet to start in 2 consecutive games.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
agreed. think they have their eye on a particular cb not graded in the 1st rd. & might actually have a center in mind instead of a 5 million dollar FA.
Texan in Japan
Rookie
Agree, Taylor will get a chance this year, but he's still a bit of an unknown. I think the Texans will continue to draft BPA in rd 1 unless they get a trade offer that allows them to get add'l picks.
TexanFan881
All Pro
McClain isn't the only one to report this. It was in a quote from Kubiak directly in the article about the Texans re-signing Earl and Bruener. That's what I thought this thread was about before I read it. This isn't just McClain writing opinions.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5608493.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5608493.html
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Then why the hell didn't Hungry hungry Hippo quote that in his article? Instead of saying from what he heard around ...
Just stop acting like you are the know all and be all of sports in Houston and just get on with the truth and the knowledge of what you have.
TK_Gamer
Veteran
Totally agree with you there.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Two different scenarios TC. Davis won the starting job in training camp and was named the starter going into the season opener. Chris Taylor was cut, signed, cut, signed, injured. Davis was drafted, won the job then got hurt. We shouldn't count on getting lucky and finding a Davis. Worst case you need two good legit RBs in the league now (which would be 2 more than we currently have).
Kubiak's kind word towards our RBs has been a death wish so far. Next thing we know Taylor will also be out on a swing set getting high. Hopefully not though. My 2 cents...
Tailgate
Fall of Hame
Whats with all the confusion here? Every player has to eventually PROVE themselves on the field when they enter into this league. Its standard procedure. I thought it was clear last training camp how high this organization was on Taylor before, and obviously after he got injured... when Kubiak stated what a huge blow that was for him and this team. We dont see the tapes, the every day practice, the work in the clubhouse,etc,etc,etc.... THEY DO. This is a good thing.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
He also played very well against that Colts and was a perfect compliment to Dayne in helping us beat the Colts for the first time.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Things I contemplate;
John and I both pass out information to confuse the enemy. We don't mean to it just happens.
John is into Hollywood which is disgusting, unless I had a chance to be into Hollywood and then that would be fantastic!
John McClain is someone I read and listen to because I enjoy hearing about the Texans even if info turns out to be wrong. Reminds me of some of the posters on MB. At least he gets paid to ramble. I don't.
If Chris WIlliams LT is there at 18; I'd select him as a potential 12 year starter compared to Mendenhall or Stewart possible 8 year starters.
If Williams not there and M. or S. is I'd go with the RB as possible franchise type players as I don't see another need position player there that might be "franchise type". I think Jenkins and McKelvin will be gone. DRC and Cason should be there but not a candidate imo.
I am open to trade down under certain circumstances but only if Williams, M. or S. not available. The three are premium guys & I want one.
We should be able to get a LT, CB and RB in draft without trade.
I also hope Taylor is great; but we have nothing to base that on but Kube's feelings and that is enough for me to give him a shot called TC.
If Kubes thinks Taylor is special, he must really like Walker.
I think Walker, Green and Taylor will battle in TC and if it goes as I believe, Green will be a June first cut unless an unbelievable offer for him is received.
A 100 yds per game RB that moves the chains can make a defense a lot better.
John and I both pass out information to confuse the enemy. We don't mean to it just happens.
John is into Hollywood which is disgusting, unless I had a chance to be into Hollywood and then that would be fantastic!
John McClain is someone I read and listen to because I enjoy hearing about the Texans even if info turns out to be wrong. Reminds me of some of the posters on MB. At least he gets paid to ramble. I don't.
If Chris WIlliams LT is there at 18; I'd select him as a potential 12 year starter compared to Mendenhall or Stewart possible 8 year starters.
If Williams not there and M. or S. is I'd go with the RB as possible franchise type players as I don't see another need position player there that might be "franchise type". I think Jenkins and McKelvin will be gone. DRC and Cason should be there but not a candidate imo.
I am open to trade down under certain circumstances but only if Williams, M. or S. not available. The three are premium guys & I want one.
We should be able to get a LT, CB and RB in draft without trade.
I also hope Taylor is great; but we have nothing to base that on but Kube's feelings and that is enough for me to give him a shot called TC.
If Kubes thinks Taylor is special, he must really like Walker.
I think Walker, Green and Taylor will battle in TC and if it goes as I believe, Green will be a June first cut unless an unbelievable offer for him is received.
A 100 yds per game RB that moves the chains can make a defense a lot better.
I would never pencil in a RB for the next 8 years. Thats the reason I would almost never take one in the first round, the lifespan is way to short. You get 8 years if your lucky.
As for the second part, I think a playmaking shutdown corner can make an offense look alot better as well, for qwhatever thats worth.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
I hope Williams is there too. Far as if not; based on the past 2 first rounders that at least looked to have the bigger long term upside DRC is that guy.Given that Bennett and Reeves are healthy to start the season DRC wouldn't be immediately pressed into action.
All things considered IMO our best value would be OL or DRC.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
I guess you didn't pay attention to how injured Davis was in college. Injuries happen in football--it's one of the things that makes it difficult to evaluate players.
Kubiak has seen a lot of Taylor and most of us haven't. What was seen in camp did look pretty promising though so I guess that is where a lot of the praise comes from.
Actually, I love that Kubiak publicly supports players who are working hard and dogs players who haven't. What's the harm in that sort of talk? It let's people know that if you are on the roster and working hard, that coach has your back.
It doesn't mean a thing as it relates to what they end up wanting to do. It's just talk. And maybe a prep for fans to not necessarily thinking running back just because that is one of the flashier needs.
Kubiak is really trying to promote the belief in the locker room that it doesn't matter where or if you are drafted, but instead the quality of the work you do for the team. It's one of Kubiak's core beliefs, and some of the most successful players who played for Denver when he was there weren't drafted particularly highly.
Actually, it wouldn't suprise me if the Texans took running back in the lower rounds (like a Terrell Davis), mostly because of the system that Alex Gibbs is going to run. They value backs differently than a lot of the league does, and this will be the first year where they will be running the Denver style ZBS.
Kubiak has shown that he has a lot of confidence that his system will work when he has his type of system players. Not picking Reggie Bush showed that sort of stones--Bush would have been the exactly wrong back for what the Texans want to do. In some sense, picking up Carr's option (which meant passing on Vince Young) is another illustration of that. He thought that Carr had the physical tools--being able to do the bootleg etc--but didn't know about all the missing tools in Carr's shed because it was not easy to discern given the mess of the scheme and all the other problems with the Texans.
Vince Young would have been an awful fit for the Texans offense. I like Vince and his potential, and I don't want to turn this into that sort of thread, but I am just talking about this from the standpoint of how Kubiak values fit for the offensive side of the ball. That he has a specific philosophy that he has a lot of confidence in, and that this may sometimes lead to draft picks that are contrary to what draft boards say.
badboy
Hall of Fame
12 for LT starter or 8 for Rb starter is a stretch but not out of question. Point is OL should last longer USUALLY than RB. IMO there will be no "shut down CB" at #18 or later. That's why I go with Mendenhall or Stewart if Williams not avail. I think Lance Zerline said same thing on his thread recently.
badboy
Hall of Fame
AT #18 I do not want a long term upside guy. I want a player that I think can start ASAP and definely before game 8.
badboy
Hall of Fame
TC will you or someone else that has a better grasp of the ZBS suggest RBs that may be available in 4th round or later that would be a good fit in ZBS and not leave us scratching our head for a power back? Slaton would be the type of back imo that might have burst and speed for ZBS but not last a season in NFL. I see Forte or Kevin Smith maybe in third that would fit?
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
As I haven't seen the players in college play, and I am probably not the best person in the world at evaluating NFL running backs, unlike various internet peoples, I won't pretend that I am an expert of who they are going to take.
I will say that I am an expert at knowing that a lot of draft sites are crap.
Though I think internet resources are helpful on the draft, I think there is a ton of misinformation out there. Every player has strength and weaknesses, and it is hard to figure out sometimes what is real and not. If you look at draft information in hindsight, it can be absolutely laughable.
Many of the websources basically plagerize each other. A lot of the information that was out there on DeMeco Ryans was absolutely wrong. For example, though he isn't the biggest guy in the world, his important combine measurables were actually really good despite reports saying that he wasn't athletic. Garbage.
I will be posting a FanHouse post in a little bit with some useful resources to check out about who will be available and what is valued in a Denver style running game.
TexanFan881
All Pro
Another mention from the chron but not by McClain, but from Manfull.
http://blogs.chron.com/gamedaytexans/2008/03/bruener_excited_for_upcoming_s.html
http://blogs.chron.com/gamedaytexans/2008/03/bruener_excited_for_upcoming_s.html