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Did not see a thread for this, so I thought I would post for debate:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/09/18/mcnabb.ap/index.html

NEW YORK (AP) -- Philadelphia Eagles star Donovan McNabb says black quarterbacks face greater scrutiny than their white counterparts.

In an interview on HBO's "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel" to be broadcast Tuesday, McNabb said black quarterbacks "have to do a little bit extra" because there are relatively few of them, adding "people didn't want us to play this position."



McNabb said if he passes for 300 yards and his team wins by a touchdown, critics will say, "Oh, he could have made this throw here. We would have scored more points if he would have done this."

Asked if white quarterbacks such as Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer are held to the same standards, McNabb replied: "Let me start by saying, I love those guys. But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."

McNabb is one of six black starting quarterbacks in the NFL. The others are David Garrard of Jacksonville, Vince Young of Tennessee, Steve McNair of Baltimore, Jason Campbell of Washington and Tarvaris Jackson of Minnesota.

McNabb, a five-time Pro Bowl selection, is 91/2 months removed from major knee surgery and has missed 13 games the past two seasons because of injuries. On Monday night, he misfired on several throws and couldn't create big plays during the Eagles' 20-12 loss to Washington.

In 2003, conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh, briefly part of ESPN's pregame show, said he didn't think McNabb was as good as perceived.

"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL," Limbaugh said. "The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well."

He resigned from the show the next week.
 
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McNabb is a crybaby and loses a ton of credibility out of this. I had a higher opinion of him before this stupid commentary.
 
Limbaugh was wrong.

McNabb is also.

Maybe if he played like an NFL QB on Monday night then he wouldnt have had anybody criticize him.

The race card is being exceedingly overplayed these days. There is less racism now in the US than there ever has been before, but there seems to more people complaining about it.

Whenever a white man gets outplayed by a black man it is because black people are "naturally athletic" or some nonsense. It cant possibly be that the guy was just better than you.

And if a black man gets criticized it is because "the man" is holding him down. It cant possibly be that his play deserves to be criticized.

I'm white by the way, take my comments however you want from that perspective.
 
Im sick of the race card .Its overplayed and out dated , its 2007 not 1967 .


By the way who took more criticism , Mcnabb or David Carr ..... McNabb hasnt been cut yet .



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Well, I'm black and I think McNabb was correct, but not in this particular instance. I think he was just whining after a poor showing.

I do believe Blacks in general are portrayed more negatively in the media.

And I disagree that there is "less" racism in the United States than in "years past". I think there is less open racism, and I think that certain laws have helped with that. I'm not even saying that there is more or equal racism as years past--I'm just saying that desegregation, Hate crime laws, Affirmitive action and things like that have, in a way, masked racism a bit.

Racism will always exist as long as there are different races. So goes life.
 
it's ironic because after the Limbaugh comments, McNabb held a presser stating that he doesn't like the term "black quarterback" and wishes he was just looked at as a "quarterback." but he's used that very term several times since then to gain sympathy. sounds like an ***** just trying to place blame anywhere he can but himself.
 
real said:
And I disagree that there is "less" racism in the United States than in "years past".
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how old are you then? It wasn't that long ago when we had white and black drinking fountains in public places....just in my short lifetime I've seen huge change.
 
I don't think it is outrageous either. I just view it as trying to paint himself as a victim and using race as leverage....not something high character, leadership kinda guys do for the most part.
 
I think this is more about McNabb not being able to handle the pressure of being a starting QB for the Eagles all the while looking over his shoulder & seeing Kolb inching closer & closer to his starting job. Competition is a driving force in the NFL. It often brings the best out of a player, but it looks as though it's bringing the worst out in McNabb.

My prediction is that Kolb will get some playing time in the last 5 or 6 games of the season, and could be the starter if the Eagles are out of contention by midseason.
 
First, McNabb plays in Philly. Win the big one, or take the heat. See Mike Schmidt.

Second, those folks booed Santa.

Last, no one and I mean no one (Black, White, Hispanic or Purple) has taken anymore criticism than Rex Grossman....
 
I just recalled a comment a relative made a couple of years ago in that most of what TO says is right, he just doesn't need to say it.
 
real said:
I do believe Blacks in general are portrayed more negatively in the media.
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Are you talking about sports or real life or both. I'll handle just the sports issue since I'm not black and can't speak on what a black man experiences. But I do watch tv and am an avid sports fan and have seen the terrible portrayal of black people.

I mean Vince Young. I mean surely he isn't one of the most celebrated quarterbacks of our time. No, of course not. All anyone sees is that Vince Young is black. Yeah right...

Michael Vick: The media called him superman before he decided to become super dog killer.

Ken Griffey, Jr: In the 90s, he was my favorite baseball player. Yet he was also one of the most celebrated athletes in all of sports at the time.

Barry Bonds: The only reason everyone hates him is because he is an asshole and he cheated.

Pacman Jones: He had his guys shoot a man. How else can the media portray him?

Tank Johnson: Had an arsenal in his home. Nuff said.

Donovan McNabb: Cheered when he does well. Jeered when he does poorly. But surely he doesn't play in the same stadium where Santa Clause was booed...

Odell Thurman: Druggy. Nuff said.

Ray Lewis: Committed criminal actions, yet he is still celebrated as one of the most MLB in the NFL. The media loves him!

Ladainian Tomlinson: Extremely celebrated, everybody loves him, and yeah he's black. But shouldn't that mean everyone is upset he is the NFL rushing champion with all this racism in the world?

Maybe I missed your point but blacks are not treated more harshly. All one has to do is look at the flack David Carr receives. Quarterbacks, period, receive too much criticism and too much credit. That's the nature of the position. And maybe if some of the black quarterbacks not in Philly performed a little bit better they wouldn't be hated so much. Mike Vick couldn't pass yet Atlanta still loved him. McNabb has been on and off his whole career. Inconsistency will breed discontent. Leftwich has been a disappointment. Garrard has been average. Culpepper has been horrible and he deserved to lose his job. Jamarcus Russell got picked number one. Vince Young, well you know the rest.

As far as not having enough black quarterbacks: Are we supposed to go search exclusively for black quarterbacks? Or do we simply let them do what colleges do and sort them out? College coaches will decide the best position for the player, black or white, and play them there. If a pro team likes them and they perform well, then they get drafted. Did I miss anything?
 
A certain Chicago QB is feeling the heat also. He is also being booed by the fans. He is not blaming the fact that he is white for the fans bashing him.

It is of general concensus that he has stunk it up and he is in Chicago.
 
Vinny said:
how old are you then? It wasn't that long ago when we had white and black drinking fountains in public places....just in my short lifetime I've seen huge change.
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When I was 12, I got yelled at for drinking from a "colored" fountain. I yelled back "I'm thirsty, dumb a--." Of course I could run pretty fast for a white boy in those days.
 
Vinny said:
how old are you then? It wasn't that long ago when we had white and black drinking fountains in public places....just in my short lifetime I've seen huge change.
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Yeah, that's pretty much my point...

There is no way to measure racism...

Just because there have been laws made to couteract some of it, doesn't mean there is indeed "less racism"....You nor I can prove how someone views another race within their heart...

You yourself said "it wasn't that long ago"...Well if it wasn't that long ago, why do you assume that "racism" has declined past what the laws now tell us we can and can't do ? Do you think that within half a century all the racist that were alive have fallen off the face of the earth ? Do you think some of these peoples children haven't learned from their parents ? Do you think that a person cannot be a natural racist (as in, no one taught them to be racist, it was just a concious decision they made) ?

Racism isn't something that has to be directly taught otherwise it wouldn't exist...

There are some people in this world who don't like black people and think negatively about the race, but they aren't going out of their way to do them injustice...those people are still racist...If they had the chance they'd probably rid the country of blacks...

Just because you don't see lynchings galore doesn't mean racism has declined...It just means that people do a better job hiding it...But that is just my feelings on the subject.
 
Ckw5814 said:
Maybe I missed your point but blacks are not treated more harshly. All one has to do is look at the flack David Carr receives.
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Not sure what that little rant was about, but I totally disagree...Well I can't really even say totally because I stopped reading after it became clear that you weren't trying to understand what I was saying and merely felt like spouting off. But anyways, I'll just leave it at "I disagree with you, and have a nice day sir"....
 
Ckw5814 said:
Maybe I missed your point but blacks are not treated more harshly. All one has to do is look at the flack David Carr receives.
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Not sure what that little rant was about, but I totally disagree...Well I can't really even say totally because I stopped reading after it became clear that you weren't trying to understand what I was saying and merely felt like sputing off. But anyways, I'll just leave it at "I disagree with you, and have a nice day sir"....
 
real said:
Just because you don't see lynchings galore doesn't mean racism has declined...It just means that people do a better job hiding it....
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By far, the single most, narrow minded, race card perpetuating, ignorant, quote ever on this board..... And that includes quotes from trolls, the DC and VY man-lovers and Vinny (j/k Vinny)..

Are you kidding me with that garbage?!!?
 
corrosion said:
Im sick of the race card .Its overplayed and out dated , its 2007 not 1967 .


By the way who took more criticism , Mcnabb or David Carr ..... McNabb hasnt been cut yet .



:twocents:
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Carr has never been criticized outside of Houston, until recently. McNabb has been.

Carr's success doesn't even come close to the success McNabb has had, but he's had a "free ride".

I don't agree with McNabb's statements at all. I don't even see where he could get that from.

But David Carr is a bad example.
 
Texan_Bill said:
By far, the single most, narrow minded, race card perpetuating, ignorant, quote ever on this board..... And that includes quotes from trolls, the DC and VY man-lovers and Vinny (j/k Vinny)..

Are you kidding me with that garbage?!!?
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Honestly, Im not surprised at your viewpoint. Not surprised at all.
 
KJ3 said:
i'm a white dude.

i've recieved far more racist treatment from black dudes than i've doled out. so for a guy who's life has been showered in money and fame to come out and say something so ignorant is just furthering racism. EVERYONE has to let it go before it will go away. i'm no fool, i know it will never be a perfect world, but to accuse society as a whole is asanine.
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It's crazy to think that racism doesn't exist anymore.


And to ignore it is stupid.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Thats your ignorance.... Not mine.

Try waking up and smell what your shoveling.
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Again, I'm not surprised at all at your comments nor the comments of others seeing as most folks on a message board are going to be middle aged white men. But I digress.
 
KJ3 said:
i' i'm no fool, i know it will never be a perfect world, but to accuse society as a whole is asanine.
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What exactly are you talking about ?

Accuse society as a whole ???

LOL....ok...

No one has said "KJ3 you are a racist"-- so why are you being so defensive ?
 
KJ3 said:
i'm a white dude.

i've recieved far more racist treatment from black dudes than i've doled out. so for a guy who's life has been showered in money and fame to come out and say something so ignorant is just furthering racism. EVERYONE has to let it go before it will go away. i'm no fool, i know it will never be a perfect world, but to accuse society as a whole is asanine.
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QFT.

And to add to that, I grew up in the Heights, before it was renovated, then moved to the Airline-West Rd. area, for those that are familiar with the spot. I was a minority then, and in Houston, I'm a minority now. Add to that, I am married to a Chinese woman, and I have been the target of overt, particularly nasty, racist epithets on that side of things. So has my wife.

We choose to ignore it, because you choose to go through life and either be offended by things or not. We choose not to. We prefer to thank the ignorant morons for identifying themselves.

My personal view on racism in general is, if enough people wanted it to go away, it would. But you have a segment of society that is ignorant, hateful, and prejudiced. Then you have another segment of society that feels they are entitled to some restitution for years of racism, so they are hateful and prejudiced on their part. Then you have a segment of society caught in the middle, who recognizes the racism on both sides, but don't feel there's much they can do to stop it other than refrain from contributing to it. It's an unfortunate world we live in. Get over it, Donnie.

And oh by the way, go back and watch the Eagles' Super Bowl again. He wasn't that accurate back then, either. I've said it for years - accuracy just isn't one of McNabb's strong suits. And I'm not talking about completion percentages.
 
It just means that people do a better job hiding it....
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I dunno, but that sounds pretty much like a blanket statement of stating "KJ, TB or 'any middle aged white man', you are a racist".... (We just hide it better now - huh?)

Whatever dude, keep talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Your comments angered me at first, but I guess one can't really get upset with ignorant blanket statements...

That is all.
 
as far as i'm concerned, i don't care if people are racist if they are in fact "hiding it." as long as they're not acting on it, it doesn't affect me or anyone else.
 
Texan_Bill said:
I dunno, but that sounds pretty much like a blanket statement of stating "KJ, TB or 'any middle aged white man', you are a racist".... (We just hide it better now - huh?)

Whatever dude, keep talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Your comments angered me at first, but I guess one can't really get upset with ignorant blanket statements...

That is all.
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Stop being so defensive. It's nauseating.


I didn't directly call out anybody. All I did waas make a statement that I feel to be true, and YOU lumped YOURSELF into that category...

Why you would say "WE hide it better" is beyond me...

Maybe next time I talk about race relations in general I should say with the exception of Texan Bill because we all know he isn't a racist...
 
I have it on good authority that I'm incapable of holding a civilized conversation on issues like this because I'm too set in my opinion.

Apparently that renders me incapable of debating any subject that involves race in America in the year 2007.

I think I'll just keep my thoughts to myself on this one (in a loud kind of way).
 
kastofsna said:
as far as i'm concerned, i don't care if people are racist if they are in fact "hiding it." as long as they're not acting on it, it doesn't affect me or anyone else.
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That's like saying cheating is o.k until you get caught...
 
Back to Topic.... McNabb has never been embraced by the city of Philadelphia the way Randall was... I think it had to do with Randall doing more with less, and their 'perception' of McNabb under-achieving with more. (note operative word: perception)

I know an Eagles fan that has basically shared these feeling about McNabb since before the Super Bowl. After McNabb and the Eagles went to the Super Bowl, I asked if his feelings had changed... Answer: no.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't agree with McNabb's statements at all. I don't even see where he could get that from.
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Was McNabb just talking about himself? Remember, this interview took place prior to the season. What black QB was being criticized before the season had even begun? Hmm....

I do believe there was a time that a black QB had to be a lot better than a white QB to get a job. I don't believe McNabb has played QB during that time. Guys like Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, and Doug Williams paved his way. Maybe McNabb thinks that 6 black starting QBs out of 30 teams is a small number. But, it's huge considering the number from 25 years ago. Not to mention, the 20% representation of black QBs is statistically larger than the general population. If there is a group that should complain, it's black kickers and punters.

I do think McNabb has faced undue criticism. But, not necessarily from fans or the media. McNabb was defended strongly by the media after Limbaugh's wacky remarks. He was defended again, after TO's slam. Both the fans and the media roasted the Eagles for selecting Kevin Kolb in the 2nd round of the draft. And if I remember correctly, McNabb piled on. By drafting Kolb, Andy Reid has called out his QB for his inability to stay healthy. McNabb should stop crying racism and face the truth that the only criticism that counts comes from his head coach.
 
real said:
Stop being so defensive. It's nauseating.


I didn't directly call out anybody. All I did waas make a statement that I feel to be true, and YOU lumped YOURSELF into that category...

Why you would say "WE hide it better" is beyond me...

Maybe next time I talk about race relations in general I should say with the exception of Texan Bill because we all know he isn't a racist...
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ummmm. because I am a middle aged white guy, that you specifically called out as being the majority of this board.. Also because you said: "doesn't mean racism has declined...It just means that people do a better job hiding it..." I am 'people'. By the way your reverse psychology doesn't work when talking about being defensive of being a racists... Wouldn't a racist actually be proud of it, AND try to spew the same ignorant propoganda that you spread... So really what you have told me, is that you're the racist.. Now fess up!!! BTW, NO ONE said that racism doesn't exist... It does, here AND all over the world.


Listen, I know you're a new guy - so with that said start a thread specifically about racists on this board... This thread is with respect to McNabb's comments - Not yours...

SO back on topic
 
Lucky said:
By drafting Kolb, Andy Reid has called out his QB for his inability to stay healthy. McNabb should stop crying racism and face the truth that the only criticism that counts comes from his head coach.
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Pretty much.

I don't think what McNabb was saying was off base, I just don't think it was applicable to him in that situation.

But nice post.
 
LOL, somehow I knew this thread was going to be about race before I even clicked on it....but I do agree that the media and people in general are more critical of black quarterbacks....I've even seen it on this board *dream says no names*


To be honest McNabb in his prime has ALWAYS been one of the top 3 QBs in the league despite having lack luster talent around him, yet he still doesn't get the credit he deserves...and Charles Barkley put it best the other night on MNF..."before Manning won the superbowl last year, McNabb had accomplished more as a QB"....and that is true and amazing considering the talent he has had around him.

i've recieved far more racist treatment from black dudes than i've doled out. so for a guy who's life has been showered in money and fame to come out and say something so ignorant is just furthering racism. EVERYONE has to let it go before it will go away. i'm no fool, i know it will never be a perfect world, but to accuse society as a whole is asanine.
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:gun:
 
Texan_Bill said:
ummmm. because I am a middle aged white guy, that you specifically called out as being the majority of this board..

Listen, I know you're a new guy - so with that said start a thread specifically about racists on this board... This thread is with respect to McNabb's comments - Not yours...

SO back on topic
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I guess that's your way of saying "let me have the last word"....

There'd be no need for a retort if there wasn't anything to respond to, so you get back on topic and I will have no choice but to follow.
 
Lucky said:
I do think McNabb has faced undue criticism. But, not necessarily from fans or the media. McNabb was defended strongly by the media after Limbaugh's wacky remarks. He was defended again, after TO's slam. Both the fans and the media roasted the Eagles for selecting Kevin Kolb in the 2nd round of the draft. And if I remember correctly, McNabb piled on. By drafting Kolb, Andy Reid has called out his QB for his inability to stay healthy. McNabb should stop crying racism and face the truth that the only criticism that counts comes from his head coach.
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QFT!!!
 
I think this is more about McNabb not being able to handle the pressure of being a starting QB for the Eagles all the while looking over his shoulder & seeing Kolb inching closer & closer to his starting job. Competition is a driving force in the NFL. It often brings the best out of a player, but it looks as though it's bringing the worst out in McNabb.
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What I got from this was that part of the "pressure" that McNabb has to deal with is from racist/biased critics. I agree that he is under pressure, because of his poor performing, but there are those who will scrutinize him more, because he is black.
 
real said:
I guess that's your way of saying "let me have the last word"....

There'd be no need for a retort if there wasn't anything to respond to, so you get back on topic and I will have no choice but to follow.
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I have no idea why you think being a total A-Hole is cute or funny but you really need to get over what ever issue you have, because when you do finally grow up you will realize just how far you can get with your attitude.

You made a statement and folks commented on it and then you have those one line asscinine comments after theirs is pretty pathetic.
 
real said:
I guess that's your way of saying "let me have the last word"....

There'd be no need for a retort if there wasn't anything to respond to, so you get back on topic and I will have no choice but to follow.
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real or unreal? You want me to merge this account with your other screen name or are you just gonna stick with this one now?
 
The Dream said:
I've even seen it on this board *dream says no names*
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people have gone out of their way to criticize that specific quarterback because everyone else in the media and everywhere else has gone out of their way to put him on a plateau above everyone else. it's ironic to use him for the "black QB's get bashed more" argument.

we've also seen the same thing with David Carr here. there were quite a few folks who defended him no matter what, and then the reactionaries who really drove home their opinion on how he sucks, etc. it's true with any player that gets hyped/praised too much
 
Vinny said:
no copy and pastes without links...please

McNabb is a crybaby and loses a ton of credibility out of this. I had a higher opinion of him before this stupid commentary.
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I agree. QBs in general get ripped and he is in a city who loves to rip. As I heard from Costas on Rome today, if the NFL was set up like he says then why would VY go before Leinart and why would Quinn drop as Russell goes #1?
 
The Dream said:
What I got from this was that part of the "pressure" that McNabb has to deal with is from racist/biased critics. I agree that he is under pressure, because of his poor performing, but there are those who will scrutinize him more, because he is black.
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Besides Rush and his idiotic comments, who has done this. Please I really would like some names to go with this.

McNabb was hailed in philly until last season and now this one. Vick in Atl was praised even though his performances were not all that great, sportcenter material but not very good.
 
I like McNabb, always have. When he does get back on track the eagles will be right back up at the top. If he stays healthy throughout the season, the eagles will be in the playoffs.

BTW, I'm red
 
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