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BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
Go back and count how many times he was held and it wasn't called. I bet you come up with a number bigger then zero.
R
real
Guest
No.
But I don't want to get started on his performance...
I might get attacked by the peanut gallery...
But I don't want to get started on his performance...
I might get attacked by the peanut gallery...
R
real
Guest
D-linemen are held on just about every play.
I did see MArio get held pretty bad one time, but he wasn't going to get a sack on that play as he was about 5 yards away from the QB when he released the ball.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Beat me to it
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
Mario got dominated by the Cardinals second string offensive line. He better get his act together.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
That doesn't matter it still should be called. A foul is a foul.
Probably. Babin is finally playing well... in his fourth year. Travis is showing signs of progress in his 3rd yr. Some of the talking heads said it would take a DL three yrs to truly "blossom"; maybe they were right for a change.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Mario did not do much today, but let's make sure we focus on him given that our team sucks more than ever in the last six years. 
R
real
Guest
Yeah well, maybe you should petition the league...
Vinny
shiny happy fan
the team is better...but I lurk the Patriots board and see some other successful teams boards...and guess what? They rant against their disappointing players too. Go figure huh?Mario did not do much today, but let's make sure we focus on him given that our team sucks more than ever in the last six years.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
He has got to play better.
Kubes needs to talk to our defensive coaches and tell them to put the best 4 linemen on the field regardless of where they were drafted or who drafted them. And put them in the right places, too.
Kubes needs to talk to our defensive coaches and tell them to put the best 4 linemen on the field regardless of where they were drafted or who drafted them. And put them in the right places, too.
R
real
Guest
Mario did not do much today, but let's make sure we focus on him given that our team sucks more than ever in the last six years.
Fair is fair.
We were playing better than ever when Carr was here too.
If a player sucks, I'm not sure why it's a problem for us, as fans, to voice that.
TheIronDuke
All Pro
He was being quadruple-teamed and held every play. [/homer]
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Just saying that we have a team that actualy may win games this year, so let's make sure we spoil it. Fair seems to be synonmous with lament in Houston, much like UT fans.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
seems you are out of touch with football fans on this one....all the fans hammer their disappointing players on all the teams...just look around. That doesn't make them any lesser fans....just makes them emotional football fans.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
The problem is that those guys weren't the #1 pick. I'm not here to hammer Mario but for every person that points out that Bruce Smith and others didn't kill it their first season, there is another side that shows that Kearse and Freeney and Merriman and even Ware to some extent that made plays their first year. Of course people then bring up injuries. I guess what I'm worried about is the same thing people were worried about scouting him..his motor. I saw some plays today where he was pushed back to where the LBs were and wasn't even 5 yards from the play. I'm ready to see the #1 guy blow by someone and get in the QBs head. I'm just giving my assessment here.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
Maybe I should. It wasn't only Mario Williams that was held. Their entire O-Line was getting away with Offensive Holding on the Texans D-Line almost all game long.
Mario did not do much today, but let's make sure we focus on him given that our team sucks more than ever in the last six years.
That's a "newbie" post if I ever saw one.
But you're not a newbie, so what the hell, man?
R
real
Guest
I think I am being unfair to Mario when it's really the coaching staff's fault.
Mario is a good football player, but he's being asked to do something he's not suited for.
He's being asked to be THAT guy who provides pressure from the edge, and to date I have not seen anything from Mario's on field performances that suggest he's capable of doing so.
The guy should be playing Strong side DE. Not Weak side, or "RDE" as some would say.
Mario is a good football player, but he's being asked to do something he's not suited for.
He's being asked to be THAT guy who provides pressure from the edge, and to date I have not seen anything from Mario's on field performances that suggest he's capable of doing so.
The guy should be playing Strong side DE. Not Weak side, or "RDE" as some would say.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Out of touch with the need to hate on someone perhaps, but for the first time there is reason to have optimism due to the product as a whole. Carry on, as the need to hate seems to be therapeutic for some.
Leahmic223
Veteran
This is impossible. Every Dlinemen is supposed to produce immeidiately like Freeney and Peppers although they are the exception...
Seriously though
I mean Strahan, J.Taylor, Burgess, Vanden Bosch, DEs just take more time. These guys coming out of college are used to just over powering OTs and linemen. Some of them use one move in college, like how Mario had a awesome bullrush in college...well he is finding out that isn't going to work any more. While his speed and strength is a factor he needs more technique, once he gets that he should do well.
Also I didn't see the first drive for the Cardinals. But for Dlinemen in general it is harder to stack up tackles and Sacks are not a easy stat to attain. If 2 sacks and 3 tackles are good game for a DE, why are we expecting him to get this in the PT he's getting in Pre-Season?
Let me get this straight. You are actually excusing their poor play.
R
real
Guest
Yet we still had some players that were able to get pressure, or atleast show signs of being able to rush the passer.
Imagine that.
Leahmic223
Veteran
I also think he me be better suited for Left side as well... but we will see when the season comes.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
I am an admitted Mario Williams fan, but even I can see that he has some things he still needs to work on. I believe he is still giving up his chest too much most of the time. Also, he doesn't look comfortable out there to me.
R
real
Guest
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Mario did not do squat today, that is a fact in my eyes. Are you saying that he did?
Vinny
shiny happy fan
you are just as bad labeling people as haters who are just voicing disappointment....I guess that's therapeutic for you as well.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
Against players that might not make the Cardinals' roster. By the time I saw the Texans putting pressure on the Cardinals' QB's their best O-Linemen were on the bench.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Did not call you a hater, but if the shoe fits smell it. I am disappointed in Mario as well and stated it last week and today. I care for the team, not for one player. Carry on.
R
real
Guest
Leahmic223
Veteran
I agree with BAttleRed about the holding...but it seems to me Mario is being singled out again when our Dline in general didn't get any pressure until the end of the game...
Babin did good but that was about it. TJ did alright, but overall our Dline play in general needs to improve.
Babin did good but that was about it. TJ did alright, but overall our Dline play in general needs to improve.
Aaelen86
Practice Squad
Not trying to defend Mario, but a player similar to his physical attributes, Julius Peppers (who I might add has been in the league a lot longer) put up Mario-type numbers last night.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=PRE2&game_id=29471
It was interesting to me to see one of the elite pass rushers in the league be a no-show. Though sadly for Mario, Peppers has shown what he can do in the regular season.
Maybe Mario is unmotivated in preseason, maybe he really is a bust, but I find it hard to label him a true bust until after year 3.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=PRE2&game_id=29471
It was interesting to me to see one of the elite pass rushers in the league be a no-show. Though sadly for Mario, Peppers has shown what he can do in the regular season.
Maybe Mario is unmotivated in preseason, maybe he really is a bust, but I find it hard to label him a true bust until after year 3.
But people wouldn't complain if they didn't care. I desperately want Mario to be great, like I desperately wanted that girl in kindergarden to like me. And I have reservations about us being able to win a lot of games without someone, anyone stepping up on the D-line. Mario seemed to be the guy primed to do that. He's snubbing us. Purposely.
With a couple of exceptions, I'm dissatisfied with the entire first team defense. I didn't get the 3-&-outs like I was looking for. There wasn't the pass rush everyone else was looking for...
Smith can't be happy.
as a fan, I know I'm not.
We need to stop collecting WRs and collect some DBs. And let the four most aggressive D-linemen start. I don't care what they make or where they were drafted.
Smith can't be happy.
as a fan, I know I'm not.
We need to stop collecting WRs and collect some DBs. And let the four most aggressive D-linemen start. I don't care what they make or where they were drafted.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
Go back and watch the game and then tell me that Babin and TJ weren't being held. I agree that they got more pressure but they were being held at other times as well.
Leahmic223
Veteran
This isn't going to work here man. I have been saying this since last year and especially last week.
I think it is because our fanbase in general is impatient and tired of losing. As I am, so the pressure on Mario is tremendous especially since we skipped on two other phenominal players.
No one wants to wait for the regular season.
I mean't that you're not a newbie in that you should know by now how it works around here. If a player sucks, we criticize. That doesn't mean we don't see what the rest of the team is doing, or how well they are doing.
Silver Oak
All Pro
Some folks are just looking to throw Mario under the bus, and I think it still goes back to them not getting who they wanted in last years draft.
Let's give him some regular season playing time and see how he's progressed since last year.
We won the game...both sides of the ball looked good...let's feel good about that!
Let's give him some regular season playing time and see how he's progressed since last year.
We won the game...both sides of the ball looked good...let's feel good about that!
Aaelen86
Practice Squad
I agree about the impatient about losing part, even as bad as the Browns were since they have come back in 1999 they were to the playoffs with Tim Couch in what year 3? So after 5 years and a 7-9 record is frustrating.
Mario has shown glimpses "allegedly" in practice when he is angry so I don't want to write him off completely. However, after the fiasco with Carr, giving him so many opportunities to prove himself as a #1 overall pick, and continually failing to get the job done. It seems that the leash is even shorter with Williams, byy the point you made, of the passing of Bush and Young.
BULLCHIT!!! He didn't do squat out there today. That's all I look at.
We won a preseason game...BFD! And only one side of the ball looked good.
Leahmic223
Veteran
Which is why I Defend him here. I feel like the Mario protector. I think I wanted Reggie more than Vince but not more than Mario. But when we did get him I didn't mind the pure potential he has in the NFL.
The guy has the potential to be a HOF DE, I expect that out of him. I expect him to have a 18 sack season, to sniff the record or maybe even break it. I just don't expect him to start showing his potential until his 3rd or 4th season.
We'll see what he does in the regular season, that is what really matters.
Although I disagree with you, I think our defense (1st and 2nd team) could have done better.
*Edit*
I phrased that wrong.
I meant I wanted Reggie more than Vince and more than Mario. But I didn't want Vince more than Mario. But I wanted D'brickashaw 2nd over MArio and Vince.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
The team has stunk the past five years and the product this year is visibly different yet we continue to ***** and moan.
Maybe y'all have some sort of complex in Houston due to Bud Adams or maybe the 1993 playoff game against the Bills still haunts everyone. It is very weird in my opinion. I see bitching, but I see no critique on the player in question.
We won. Our rookie returned a punt for a TD. The Oline played well. Schaub and Sage played with poise. Green looked pretty good. Turk started. Lastly, Mario showed nothing but attacking the offensive lineman's numbers in front of him, again.
We do. But we could/should be better. That's the disappointing part.
Think about it, we missed 2 out of 3 chances in the red zone. Our D still let the Cardinal QBs go 14 of 16. We give up that kind of percentage to Manning and Brees and we'll get eaten alive.
We need to fix this stuff now.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Did he wow anyone? NO.
Is he a bust? Too early to tell.
1st string DL didn't impress me any at all today. It seems Mario is thinking and not playing. Doesn't mean he sucks, just means he's not comfortable. By all means continue to express your displeasure but you have to give the guy time. He's not going to make every tackle nor get every sack. But he should be showing more at this point.
Is he a bust? Too early to tell.
1st string DL didn't impress me any at all today. It seems Mario is thinking and not playing. Doesn't mean he sucks, just means he's not comfortable. By all means continue to express your displeasure but you have to give the guy time. He's not going to make every tackle nor get every sack. But he should be showing more at this point.