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Trade down is offical

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Errant Hothy

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Texans | Team to move down in draft
Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:45:45 -0700

Neil Stratton, of Inside the League, has learned that the Houston Texans, as rumored previously, will swap first-round draft picks with the Denver Broncos in this year's NFL Draft Friday, April 27, in exchange for Denver's second-round pick, No. 56 overall. With the Texans' first- and second-round picks, the team is considering four players: Utah FS Eric Weddle, Ohio State WR Anthony Gonzalez, USC WR Dwayne Jarrett and Florida S Reggie Nelson.

per www.kffl.com

Only a first-swap and a second? We get the shaft?

And I don't like the idea of drafting Jarrett.
 
If this is true, Rick Smith just got pwned again. I like the trade by all means but we got severely killed in value.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Texans | Team to move down in draft
Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:45:45 -0700

Neil Stratton, of Inside the League, has learned that the Houston Texans, as rumored previously, will swap first-round draft picks with the Denver Broncos in this year's NFL Draft Friday, April 27, in exchange for Denver's second-round pick, No. 56 overall. With the Texans' first- and second-round picks, the team is considering four players: Utah FS Eric Weddle, Ohio State WR Anthony Gonzalez, USC WR Dwayne Jarrett and Florida S Reggie Nelson.

per www.kffl.com

Only a first-swap and a second? We get the shaft?

And I don't like the idea of drafting Jarrett.
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And this is "official" how????
 
Why aren't these clubs keeping mum about this trade? By opening up about the trade, they risk losing the player the covet. There's still plenty of time for another club to make a move. This doesn't make any sense.

:hmmm:
 
theres gotta be somethin else that we get... rick smith isnt that stupid to get the short short end of the stick, i guess we will find out tomorrow, cant wait
 
CrunkTex said:
If this is true, Rick Smith just got owned again. I like the trade by all means but we got severely killed in value.
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Just keep in mind, with this draft, everyone wants to trade down. So if you really want to, you can't go by the value chart.
 
dunta23 said:
theres gotta be somethin else that we get... rick smith isnt that stupid to get the short short end of the stick, i guess we will find out tomorrow, cant wait
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Ever heard of the Matt Schaub trade? If Rick Smith ever has a garage sale, I want to know about it.
 
Marcus said:
Just keep in mind, with this draft, everyone wants to trade down. So if you really want to, you can't go by the value chart.
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I agree. And we don't know that this is official but I would like to see something crafty out of Smith. Even if we swap our 4th for their 3rd. All in all, any trade down is beneficial for us and if we get Nelson, thank you 20 other teams.
 
Awesome news! If we can get Anthony Gonzales in the first in round 1, and Weddle in round 2, I would be escatatic. I am also cool with, although less so, with Nelson in rd 1, and Jarrett in rd 2, but I smell bust with Jarrett.

Each draft is different and value is realitive year to year. If we pull off this trade, then this year at least, Schaub only costs a move from #8 to #21. Talk about a steal. :splits:
 
i really dont want anthony gonzalez i just dont think hes that good, hes not worth a 1st, id rather have dwayne bowe, robert mecheam, or sidney rice...

players that i would want

dwayne bowe
chris houston
aaron ross
joe staley
michael griffin

but please not anthony gonzalez
 
Folks--don't get too bent on value right now. Remember how many times the reports changed on the compensation for Schaub? If it is real at all it may change more than once in the reporting.
 
Laundry doesn't fit what we need in a coverage safety, never has, and never will. Nelson or Weddle are the best two cover safeties in the draft, and in our scheme, either will be more vaulable to us (imo of course)
 
dunta23 said:
i really dont want anthony gonzalez i just dont think hes that good, hes not worth a 1st, id rather have dwayne bowe, robert mecheam, or sidney rice...

players that i would want

dwayne bowe
chris houston
aaron ross
joe staley
michael griffin

but please not anthony gonzalez
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Just curious, but how many OSU games did you watch all the way through? I watched a bunch, and I have to totally disagree with your take. I would be thrilled to get Gonzo. He will make an awesome #2 and will be the perfect compliment to AJ. I like Bowe a little better but not a whole lot. But, I have heard that Bowe has turned a lot of teams off with a cocky me first attitude, and that could be turning the Texans off. I think I would take him anyway, but just throwing that out there.
 
If we only got a 2nd rounder out of it, what happens to the rest of the leftover points according to the point scale?
 
Texans34Life said:
If we only got a 2nd rounder out of it, what happens to the rest of the leftover points according to the point scale?
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It's like Wheel of Fortune used to be:


I can see Rick Smith now - I'll take the ceramic dog for 150 points, The crystal vase for 200 points, the trip to the Bahams for 300 points, and I will take the rest in a gift certificate. And can I get a date with Vanna? :user:
 
I am not ga-ga over Gonzalez, but would have no problem with him in a Texans uniform. Preferably in the second round as potentially picking him at #21 is a reach in my opinion.
 
As far as value goes....i'll wait til i see complete numbers just like the Schaub deal til i make a decision on value. It's knee Jerk reactions that trip me out like CrunkTex.

As for with the 21st pick.....Kalil or Staley would be my preference but i'm thinking it's a possibility that the Gmen take Staley. Nelson might go the the Jags so i'm not really sure on that one. DB wouldn't be too bad and i'm not really opposed to Jarrett or Bowe in the first. Gonzales will be a second rounder at least depending on what teams are looking for. But this might allow us to get Merriweather in the second now. :doot:
 
I hope not. I like the addition of a second round, but I dont like trading down that far for a late second. Especially if AP is there.
 
I'm not in love with this draft after the first 18 or so picks...so if all we got was two second round values (and the 2nd is a late 2nd)...I'm not real hip on this move. We are pretty much assured a NFL starter at 10. It gets kinda funky after 20 imo. I hope we have something more in the kitty.
 
I'm not sold on Gonzales as a first rounder. He looks more like a slot receiver to me. If we do in fact trade down I'd rather us look to grab Nelson in the first round, and perhaps Meachem or Rice if they fall that far to round two. I wouldn't be unhappy to see Jarrett in a Texans uniform, but I don't think he falls to 21.
 
texasguy346 said:
I'm not sold on Gonzales as a first rounder. He looks more like a slot receiver to me. If we do in fact trade down I'd rather us look to grab Nelson in the first round, and perhaps Meachem or Rice if they fall that far to round two. I wouldn't be unhappy to see Jarrett in a Texans uniform, but I don't think he falls to 21.
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I think we can forget Nelson at 21. We are now in that second group of non-sure fire starters at 21. Nelson projects as a starter easy and won't slide that far imo.
 
Vinny said:
I think we can forget Nelson at 21. We are now in that second group of non-sure fire starters at 21. Nelson projects as a starter easy and won't slide that far imo.
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If that turns out to be the case then we can look for Meachem or Bowe in the first. Perhaps even a OL pick like Kalil or Staley. We could then grab Weddle in Round 2. Depending on the first round pick we could then look at guys like Steve Smith or Williams (out of Fresno State) in round 3.
 
Goldensilence said:
As far as value goes....i'll wait til i see complete numbers just like the Schaub deal til i make a decision on value. It's knee Jerk reactions that trip me out like CrunkTex.

As for with the 21st pick.....Kalil or Staley would be my preference but i'm thinking it's a possibility that the Gmen take Staley. Nelson might go the the Jags so i'm not really sure on that one. DB wouldn't be too bad and i'm not really opposed to Jarrett or Bowe in the first. Gonzales will be a second rounder at least depending on what teams are looking for. But this might allow us to get Merriweather in the second now. :doot:
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Ding ding ding! We have a winner! I don't know that Staley will be there at 21 and Kalil might be considered a reach at 21. Although, I've seen Kalil go in the mid-to-high 20s in mocks, and to me, that isn't much of a reach when you consider what Vinny said - we are now out of the surefire starter range. Kalil is a surefire starter, but at a position that hasn't typically been taken that high in the draft.

Oh, and please ..... no Jarrett!
 
texasguy346 said:
If that turns out to be the case then we can look for Meachem or Bowe in the first. Perhaps even a OL pick like Kalil or Staley. We could then grab Weddle in Round 2. Depending on the first round pick we could then look at guys like Steve Smith or Williams (out of Fresno State) in round 3.
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In round one, Meachem won't be there but Bowe may be. I think Gonzales is a little stiff and I'm not too hot on him. I doubt Staley is there too. I haven't seen Weddle much so I don't have an opinion on him, but at 21 we have a less of a shot at an impact player as we had at 10. I think we moved back too far, too cheaply if this is all we got. Time will tell.
 
Vinny said:
I think we can forget Nelson at 21. We are now in that second group of non-sure fire starters at 21. Nelson projects as a starter easy and won't slide that far imo.
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I agree. I would love Meachem there too but he could be gone also. Cowboys will be looking him and Ginn and some others since they are right behind us. So that would leave Bowe, who I like, Staley, Griffin, etc. I like getting the 2 back.
 
Vinny said:
In round one, Meachem won't be there but Bowe may be. I think Gonzales is a little stiff and I'm not too hot on him. I doubt Staley is there too. I haven't seen Weddle much so I don't have an opinion on him, but at 21 we have a less of a shot at an impact player as we had at 10. I think we moved back too far, too cheaply if this is all we got. Time will tell.
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I'm thinking there may be another pick included in this deal. Perhaps for next years draft. We'll have to wait & see though.
 
Well, if all indications are true then I'd be happy with it. I'd be even more happier if we took Nelson with the #21 pick.
 
I'm higher on these guys than Vinny is. Maybe the superstars will be gone, but it seems to me picking at #1 didn't get us a superstar once, and the jury is very much out the next time. Picking at #15 certainly didn't get us a decent starter. I just think prejudging the value of a guy can't be done. Jerry Rice wasn't a top 10 pick, and was picked somewhere in the late teens. Seems to me he turned out ok. Terrell Owens was a 3rd pick. Attitude aside, seems to me he was worth it.

Sure, we could use a star player, but we also need a few "good" players. Who here thought Demaco Ryans was a superstar? I know some, like Vinny, were high on him from the start, but I remember on draft day, tons of people on these forums bitching and moaning about the pick. Unlike the last braintrust we had here, I actually trust these guys. Weddle (or whomeever they pick in round 2) can play football. We need more good football players. We are not one guaranteed starter away from a SB appearance. We need to raise the overall talent level on the team, and viewed in that light, this would be an excellent move.
 
TEXANS84 said:
Well, if all indications are true then I'd be happy with it. I'd be even more happier if we took Nelson with the #21 pick.
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Even Griffin would be a big improvement over what we have at FS now. Merriweather doesn't seem like much of a possibility with his character issues.
 
I think I'm OK with this trade. I hope they do actually wait to do it until they see who falls though.
 
texasguy346 said:
I'm thinking there may be another pick included in this deal. Perhaps for next years draft. We'll have to wait & see though.
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The Broncos have an extra 3rd round pick this year, though. We're getting screwed on draft value points, and why are they doing the deal now? Wait until you're on the clock, FFS. Now, if AP or Okoye, or some other amazing slide happens, we won't be in position to take advantage of it. Dumb things happen on draft day. I don't mind 21, and there are players I wouldn't mind targeting in that range (see above), but there's no reason to play your hand now, on the eve of draft day. And we really need to get another pick to even things out.

EDIT to add -

#10 pick = 1300 pts.

#21 pick = 800 pts.
#56 pick = 340 pts.
#86 pick = 160 pts.

800+340+160=1300 ... the math actually works out well, unless you don't include their 3rd round pick.
 
Porky said:
I'm higher on these guys than Vinny is. Maybe the superstars will be gone, but it seems to me picking at #1 didn't get us a superstar once, and the jury is very much out the next time. Picking at #15 certainly didn't get us a decent starter. I just think prejudging the value of a guy can't be done. Jerry Rice wasn't a top 10 pick, and was picked somewhere in the late teens. Seems to me he turned out ok. Terrell Owens was a 3rd pick. Attitude aside, seems to me he was worth it.

Sure, we could use a star player, but we also need a few "good" players. Who here thought Demaco Ryans was a superstar? I know some, like Vinny, were high on him from the start, but I remember on draft day, tons of people on these forums bitching and moaning about the pick. Unlike the last braintrust we had here, I actually trust these guys. Weddle (or whomeever they pick in round 2) can play football. We need more good football players. We are not one guaranteed starter away from a SB appearance. We need to raise the overall talent level on the team, and viewed in that light, this would be an excellent move.
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This is just more reason to make sure we get that extra 3rd that they have, as well. It just gets old watching our FO get screwed over and over and over again.
 
texasguy346 said:
I'm thinking there may be another pick included in this deal. Perhaps for next years draft. We'll have to wait & see though.
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Thats what I'm thinking.

I hope this doesn't come across as being ignorant to the facts but it seems to me that some GMs, teams, etc thrive in finding the diamonds in the rough or the talent they need at certain spots. We have discussed Denver and their O-line and how Foster was at #20 and all the other guys below that. I, for some reason, trust them to make this pick work and think they can get two quality guys in Rds 1 and 2 compared to someone at #10, which to me was a tricky pick. I think there is alot of quality guys left who can fit our system at #21.
 
This could be a move by Denver to pick up Detroit's #2. The rumor is they had offered #1,2,3 this season and #1 next season for the #2 overall pick.

Now if they got #1,3 this season and #1,2 next season they might get it ...
 
I have yet to see this confirmed or even mentioned anywhere else, other than the rumor the Denver Post started a couple days ago. I'm not buying it at this point.
 
I'll wait and see until the specifics of the trade are released before I say if we got screwed or not .

I think a trade down could help us in the long run because we still need upgrades at the #2 CB , #2 WR , FS , DT , OL , and others . It could allow us to chip away at our liabilities .... of course you have to hit them .

So I say we go

1. Bowe
2. Weddle
3. Wade
 
I can't believe that they'd actually have the deal in place if Okoye or Peterson were to fall to 10. That would obviously give the pick more value & as such we could ask for more in a trade. Green Bay might be willing to move up to grab Peterson, or perhaps some team is in love with Amobi. Those teams would then be competing with Denver for the pick.

I imagine that this deal is contingent on guys like Peterson being gone, but if someone were to fall the Texans would consider other offers.
 
texasguy346 said:
I can't believe that they'd actually have the deal in place if Okoye or Peterson were to fall to 10. That would obviously give the pick more value & as such we could ask for more in a trade. Green Bay might be willing to move up to grab Peterson, or perhaps some team is in love with Amobi. Those teams would then be competing with Denver for the pick.

I imagine that this deal is contingent on guys like Peterson being gone, but if someone were to fall the Texans would consider other offers.
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I guess the bird in the hand rule is in place .
 
Texans | No deals completed yet
Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:27:15 -0700

Updating ongoing reports, ESPN's John Clayton reports a trade between the Houston Texans and any other team will not happen Friday, April 27. If anything is going to happen, it would take place during the NFL Draft Saturday, April 28.

From kffl.com
 
infantrycak said:
Texans | No deals completed yet
Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:27:15 -0700

Updating ongoing reports, ESPN's John Clayton reports a trade between the Houston Texans and any other team will not happen Friday, April 27. If anything is going to happen, it would take place during the NFL Draft Saturday, April 28.

From kffl.com
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This makes me feel better...a gentleman's agreement depending on who is on the board at the time seems like a good plan.
 
Double Barrel said:
Our luck ;)

I like Landry, but I'm not a big talent evaluator, so my pov is more based on what I read and limited chances to see them play.
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Well ... I'm hoping our luck is changing .

How about this Denver wants to play hardball . San Fran really wants Willis and says we'll give you a third to swap from 10 to 11 so we can take him .

At 11 Peterson is still there and you get another offer ... what do you do ?
 
I'd be totally unhappy with us taking just their one and two this year. Now, if they included picks next year, I'd think about it. Pulling the trigger before knowing what player is available at the #10 spot is just asinine. Of course the second posting that it's nothing more than a gentlemen's agreement is somewhat comforting. So many rumors my heads about to explode, but danged exciting! Keep a positive outlook folks, the fun is just beginning :)
 
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