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Mario Williams vs. DeMarcus Ware
- Thread starter Sco-tai
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real
Guest
Not sure how this can even be a real discussion unless your going off of Mario's "potential"....
Many people consider Marios "natural position" as a DE in the 3-4, while
one HC thought so much of his potential as a 4-3 lineman that he used the
#1 overall in a great Draft, and that illustrates Marios versatility.
DM on the other hand, a tremendous talent as a 3-4 LB, would not be near as valuable in a 4-3 by most evaluations.
Its tough to compare apples and oranges.
one HC thought so much of his potential as a 4-3 lineman that he used the
#1 overall in a great Draft, and that illustrates Marios versatility.
DM on the other hand, a tremendous talent as a 3-4 LB, would not be near as valuable in a 4-3 by most evaluations.
Its tough to compare apples and oranges.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Ware would not be the player he is as a 4-3 LB. Mario has the size and strengh to still be a great 3-4 DE. Mario can play both, and without classifying which defense the HC would run, everyone should take Mario for that reason.
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real
Guest
The starter of this thread specifically said "pick an scheme you want"...
But that really is besides the point....
Even if he were to play in a four three why would he have to play LB ?
I'd put him at my weakside DE...
That's like saying you'd take Mario over Merriman, because he wouldn't be as effective in a 4-3...
Mario hasn't shown me enough to say that I'd take him over a player I have seen make great plays on this level...
Sco-tai
Waterboy
Well...I look at it this way. Demarcus Ware obviously has the better numbers (and had a "flashier" rookie season). And we can debate all day as to reasons (i.e. - excuses) why Mario didn't have a "BLOW-UP" rookie year (double-teams, different scheme, position, etc)...so I kind of take all the numbers (whether it's their combine/pro-day numbers, college numbers, rookie season numbers, etc)...and mix them all together and say "From what we've seen, heard, read...which player do you feel is the best available. I'd have to go with Mario.
Everytime...Mario.
Let's not get hung up on numbers. If that's the case...we'd take RYANS over both DW & MW. hahahah
Everytime...Mario.
Let's not get hung up on numbers. If that's the case...we'd take RYANS over both DW & MW. hahahah
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real
Guest
With that logic you'd end up taking Santonio Holmes over Marques Colston....
But to each his own...
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
This is the only one I read and I agree. There is no comparison right now. Ware is the man and in 2 seasons has started to reek havoc. He started raw too. To say Mario would be better is to go off pure speculation and potential. This year is a big one for Mario.
JamesC
Lumberjack
Those are my thoughts exactly. Thats why as of right now I voted for Ware.
jlam
Waterboy
I'm really looking forward to this coming season for these types of reasons. We tend to find out a lot about young players in the league in their second seasons. A whole new class of rookies will be coming in that will shift (at least) some of the attention away from the new guys from last year and perhaps we'll be able to look at these guys' performances without some of the media expectations and agendas.
Last years' class had a lot of great players in it and I'm acually looking forward to seeing how they do in their sophomore efforts a bit moreso than seeing this years' rookies.
The above comment that this year is a big one for Williams is very true, as it is for many other players.
On a side note, I am officially in football withdrawal.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I'm ready for the draft. I love draft weekend.
I also am looking forward to see how these guys progress. I want to see a jump from Mario.
Sco-tai
Waterboy
Haha....wow. Comparing the 11th OVERALL pick to the 1st OVERALL pick is one thing.
But to try and compare logic using the 25th overall pick and the 252nd pick that was drafted as a TE is a little different. That's like seeing Mike Tyson researching Quantum physics in a Libary. No one would see THAT coming.
Careful....you might pull a muscle trying to REACH that much.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Can't wait to see DeMeco! Mario will be a bigger beast this year, too. Hopefully he doesn't drop anything on his foot again.
That's a good point.
Who would you rather have, Demeco or Ware??
it's about the same as comparing an OLB in a 3-4 to a DE in a 4-3.
& xtru..... you're my bro and all, but I doubt Ware would play as well as a DE in a 4-3. In fact, I doubt he'll play every down.
If I could chose, I'd pick Ware, because I would pick a 3-4. But if I were to pick a 4-3, I'd pick Mario.
MATRIX
Waterboy
To top that statement, Mario ALSO played at DT last year some. I remember 1 game they said "They really need to get Williams in his position. Moving him this much maycofuse an offence, but it dosen't help a rookie much either."
So, he has/can play DE(best spot for his true freakish ability)...LB(3-4)...DT (just to try I guess, no clue why they tried it).
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
It's plain homerism to not take Ware...
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real
Guest
Pretty much...
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jerek
Pro Hobbyist
Of course it's homerism. Why bother to hold camps and practices? Why not just hold a one-day tryout, pick the guys that perform the best, and ignore the element of potential entirely, or your faith in your ability to coach it? Why draft rookies?--let's overpay for every big name, "proven" free agent on the market, fill our roster only with guys who have produced the biggest numbers to date.
Or do you not realize that that is precisely the mentality that you appear to be advocating?
If OTOH you simply think Ware is the better player regardless of potential (where Mario, by just about any account that I can conceive of, clearly has the edge, but if you don't think so then fine) vs. historical performance, then say it and leave the homerism insults out it?
"I think Mario's better."
"You're just a homer."
"Don't you want to know why?"
"No, you're just a homer. Homer homer homer. I know everything. I can't be wrong and if you disagree you're just a homer."
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