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blockhead83

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I was listening to ESPN radio in Dallas this morning, and the hosts were discussing a comment Kipers made, which was something to the effect of, "I'd take Schaub over Romo, with 16 exclamation points..." Apparently several NFL scouts have made a similar reference. The hosts of the show were adamant that if they were going to start a franchise, they'd take Romo 10 times out of 10 over Schaub, and frankly I have to agree with them. Romo played like a pro-bowl performer last year and saved the Cowboys season, and after watching him on several occasions I think he throws one of the prettiest, best placed balls in the NFL. Schaub on the other hand has very little evidence to go on, and the public opinion of him is basically resting on his college and limited professional accomplishments.

I just thought that it was interesting that some scouts and Kiper were willing to come and put their stamp on a guy with little professional background over someone who made the pro-bowl last season. There's obviously something about Schaub that makes people think he's going to be really special. While I disagree that he'd be better than Romo, if Kiper and similar minded scouts are indeed correct and he plays at a similar level or above the one Romo plays at, then we got a fantastic value from the trade and we're going to see a winning team in Houston very soon.

P.S. They said the one big strike on Schaub is that the Texans like him....
 
as soon as romo made the pro bowl he started to go into a slump though, this is why I think they need to wait till the last week of the season b4 they pick who is going to be going. IMO
 
For the past 2 years, scouts and personnel guys have been gaa-gaa over Schaub. They've talked about it over and over on ESPN and NFLN. That's why I've been so surprised that those same announcers and experts that have talked about how highly the scouts and personnel guys have Schaub ranked are now so down on someone actually going out and getting him.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
For the past 2 years, scouts and personnel guys have been gaa-gaa over Schaub. They've talked about it over and over on ESPN and NFLN. That's why I've been so surprised that those same announcers and experts that have talked about how highly the scouts and personnel guys have Schaub ranked are now so down on someone actually going out and getting him.
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Because it's the Texans who got him.
 
blockhead83 said:
I just thought that it was interesting that some scouts and Kiper were willing to come and put their stamp on a guy with little professional background over someone who made the pro-bowl last season. There's obviously something about Schaub that makes people think he's going to be really special. While I disagree that he'd be better than Romo, if Kiper and similar minded scouts are indeed correct and he plays at a similar level or above the one Romo plays at, then we got a fantastic value from the trade and we're going to see a winning team in Houston very soon.

P.S. They said the one big strike on Schaub is that the Texans like him....
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Honest question....

How can you be sure that Schaub isn't going to be better than Romo if you haven't seen him play? Aren't you just as guilty as the guys you accuse of blindly liking Schaub over Romo? What's the difference? If neither of you guys have enough data to compile an opinion isn't your best bet to stay neutral instead of just assuming that there is no shot that Schaub can't be a better QB than an undrafted FA up in Jerryjonesville?
 
I'm not sure if Schaub is going to be better than Romo...

I think Romo is a beast by the way...

But, from the little I've seen from Schaub I think he's going to be darn good...

JMO
 
I'm excited about Schaub and looking forward to the season with him,
but I really think the value of any endorsement Kiper makes about a particular player is dubious.
 
Vinny said:
Honest question....

How can you be sure that Schaub isn't going to be better than Romo if you haven't seen him play? Aren't you just as guilty as the guys you accuse of blindly liking Schaub over Romo? What's the difference? If neither of you guys have enough data to compile an opinion isn't your best bet to stay neutral instead of just assuming that their is no shot that Schaub can't be a better QB than an undrafted FA up in Jerryjonesville?
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Honest answer, it's just that the likelihood of him being better than a pro-bowl quality guy seems much lower than the likelihood of him being worse. It seems to me if he had perennial pro-bowler written all over him, he wouldn't have been drafted in the 3rd round, sat behind a starter for 3 years, and have a 0-2 starters record with a 1:1 TD to INT ratio. A much exaggerated, but analagous situation would be for me to say had I played the lottery last week I would've won. Nobody can tell me I wouldn't have, since I never played, but the odds that I would have would be infinitesimal (that's a huge overstatement, but you get the picture hopefully). The other reason is I tend to be pessimistic as a Texans fan who's had almost every major acquisition in his favorite franchise's existence blow up in his face. It's called learning by association. I'm not saying Schaub is going to suck, I'm just saying I'd be very, and pleasantly, surprised if he came in and played at a pro-bowl level after being a back up for 3 years.
 
blockhead83 said:
I was listening to ESPN radio in Dallas this morning, and the hosts were discussing a comment Kipers made, which was something to the effect of, "I'd take Schaub over Romo, with 16 exclamation points..." Apparently several NFL scouts have made a similar reference. The hosts of the show were adamant that if they were going to start a franchise, they'd take Romo 10 times out of 10 over Schaub, and frankly I have to agree with them. Romo played like a pro-bowl performer last year and saved the Cowboys season, and after watching him on several occasions I think he throws one of the prettiest, best placed balls in the NFL. Schaub on the other hand has very little evidence to go on, and the public opinion of him is basically resting on his college and limited professional accomplishments.

I just thought that it was interesting that some scouts and Kiper were willing to come and put their stamp on a guy with little professional background over someone who made the pro-bowl last season. There's obviously something about Schaub that makes people think he's going to be really special. While I disagree that he'd be better than Romo, if Kiper and similar minded scouts are indeed correct and he plays at a similar level or above the one Romo plays at, then we got a fantastic value from the trade and we're going to see a winning team in Houston very soon.

P.S. They said the one big strike on Schaub is that the Texans like him....
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Before Romo started last year he was not really battle tested himself. Suddenly he steps in and makes a significant impact. But let's not kid ourselves first he backdoored into the pro-bowl on a lil over half a season in the NFC that HAS to tell you something about the conference.

I'd also like to add he had more mobility then Bledsoe...I've seen tortioises injured on the Discovery Channel that have more mobility then that statue. Anyone would look good after that. Their line play was shaky as ours and Romo had his games were he looked brilliant and others were not so.

Romo also had several years in the same system to learn and get used to terminology etc etc. Scaub has had several years in the WCO under Greg Knapp, who is in the Walsh tree if i remember right, running a similar variation that Kubiak had Denver and is trying to implement here. However unlike Romo ,who had only preseason snaps under his belt, Schaub has had game experience even if it is sparingly.

Anyone seeing the correlation here? Except obviously Romo has better skillset around him for the most part.
 
As I understand our offensive sets, the QB does not have to be exceptional. Just not subject to brain farts and turn overs. If he plays within the system and our pickups for 2006 & 2007 do only what they are projected to do, we should have a good year. Anything above that from anybody adds gravy for the chicken.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I'm not sure if Schaub is going to be better than Romo...

I think Romo is a beast by the way...

But, from the little I've seen from Schaub I think he's going to be darn good...

JMO
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The problem is that as soon as teams had some film on Romo he struggled. A player has to adapt to defenses and Romo did not do that after his first several games.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I'm not sure if Schaub is going to be better than Romo...

I think Romo is a beast by the way...

But, from the little I've seen from Schaub I think he's going to be darn good...

JMO
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Romo a beast? He didn't play that well late in the year when teams kept him in the pocket.
 
nunusguy said:
I'm excited about Schaub and looking forward to the season with him,
but I really think the value of any endorsement Kiper makes about a particular player is dubious.
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Yeah, the fact that Kiper is pro-Schaub worries me and we might should have taken that into consideration and gone with Sage instead.
 
Meloy said:
As I understand our offensive sets, the QB does not have to be exceptional. Just not subject to brain farts and turn overs. If he plays within the system and our pickups for 2006 & 2007 do only what they are projected to do, we should have a good year. Anything above that from anybody adds gravy for the chicken.
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This is a fallacy. John Elway won at least 12 playoff games and participated in 5 Super Bowls. Since Elway retired the Broncos have won one playoff game after all these years. They also replaced a "serviceable" QB in Plummer by taking a QB that has the potential to be elite as they traded up to draft Cutler.
 
blockhead83 said:
Honest answer, it's just that the likelihood of him being better than a pro-bowl quality guy seems much lower than the likelihood of him being worse. It seems to me if he had perennial pro-bowler written all over him, he wouldn't have been drafted in the 3rd round, sat behind a starter for 3 years, and have a 0-2 starters record with a 1:1 TD to INT ratio. A much exaggerated, but analagous situation would be for me to say had I played the lottery last week I would've won. Nobody can tell me I wouldn't have, since I never played, but the odds that I would have would be infinitesimal (that's a huge overstatement, but you get the picture hopefully). The other reason is I tend to be pessimistic as a Texans fan who's had almost every major acquisition in his favorite franchise's existence blow up in his face. It's called learning by association. I'm not saying Schaub is going to suck, I'm just saying I'd be very, and pleasantly, surprised if he came in and played at a pro-bowl level after being a back up for 3 years.
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What? Romo was undrafted and sat on the bench for 3-4 years before getting a chance to start. Schaub had been projected as a first rounder but dropped because he had a shoulder injury. Then he got stuck behind Vick who had a monster contract and even if they'd drafted Montana, Vick would have been starting. The Falcons fans that have seen Schaub in action have been impressed and they said part of the reason his stats were bad was because he usually only came in when the Falcons were way behind and he had to wing it and take risks in an attempt to bring the team back.
 
blockhead83 said:
P.S. They said the one big strike on Schaub is that the Texans like him....
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Hahaha. After that disaster in the playoffs, I wouldn't be so smug.

Regarding Schaub...who knows? Kiper doesn't, the cowgirl jockers don't, nobody does.

Regarding Romo...who is the real Tony Romo? The guy who started out hot and threw 5 TDs against the Bucs? Or the guy who flamed out at the end of the year, throwing 8 picks and getting sacked 13 times over the last 5 regular season games? Oh, and letting a wild card game slip through his fingers. Romo still has a lot to prove.
 
Please_Evolve said:
... let's not kid ourselves first he backdoored into the pro-bowl on a lil over half a season in the NFC that HAS to tell you something about the conference.
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What you said, hoss! Romo as a Pro Bowler is relative - we are talking about the NFC, after all. Anyway, we all saw what happened after defensive coordinators had a few weeks of tape to scheme against him... X-POSED!!!

To the Schaub point, I found the ATL fan thread most interesting. Several of the posters point out the circumstances surrounding Schaub's INTs - desperation heaves just before the half or toward the end of games when they were clearly out of hand. I hope we get Brown in the draft to protect the guy.
 
Vinny said:
Honest question....

How can you be sure that Schaub isn't going to be better than Romo if you haven't seen him play? Aren't you just as guilty as the guys you accuse of blindly liking Schaub over Romo? What's the difference? If neither of you guys have enough data to compile an opinion isn't your best bet to stay neutral instead of just assuming that there is no shot that Schaub can't be a better QB than an undrafted FA up in Jerryjonesville?
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Nicely put.

The only test of a QB is how they play once teams have seen them play for a while and have seen their strengths and weaknesses.

It is something that makes evaluating backup quarterbacks very difficult if you have only been able to look at them in spot situations. Teams have to make educated guesses.

Romo's diminished play near the end of the season could be based on a number of factors, and maybe one of those might be teams better preparing for him. Hard to say.
 
Specnatz said:
The problem is that as soon as teams had some film on Romo he struggled. A player has to adapt to defenses and Romo did not do that after his first several games.
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I agree. It will be interesting to see how Romo looks now that teams have a history to study, how Romo responds to being The Man and starting at the beginning of a season, and how well he reacts when the chips are down.

And honestly, everyone excuses it away, but the dude choked when his team needed him to do something simple like hold the ball for a FG attempt. The mindset of making a mistake at that point in the game, with your season on the line in the playoffs, can be revealing.

As far as Shaub is concerned, none of us know and we have to take a leap of faith. Personally, I think he's going to impress us and take charge of the offense like Texans fans have never seen before. But that's just me and my opinion.
 
It had to be Jennifer Engle's radio show...which means it was a big bowl of steaming dog poo. There are very few radio personalities/journalists in the DFW that I think are worth a damn, and it's not like I think Kiper is that great either; but between these two I'll take Kiper everyday of the week.
 
I don't care what anyone has to say about him or the trade. Until I see him play a full season or at least a few games, I am not going to make any decisions on if he is good or bad or a pro bowler or a flop or the trade was good or bad. I am taking the "wait and see" approach to the whole thing right now...
 
Hoth-Boy said:
It had to be Jennifer Engle's radio show...which means it was a big bowl of steaming dog poo. There are very few radio personalities/journalists in the DFW that I think are worth a damn, and it's not like I think Kiper is that great either; but between these two I'll take Kiper everyday of the week.
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Yeah, but you gotta love the name "Little Ball of Hate."
 
I like the fact t hat Schaub is 6-5 237.

Carr is 6-3 230.

Romo 6-2 225.

Schaub is 3 inches taller than Romo.

Two inches taller than Carr.

Being taller helps to throw better over the d-line, and it helps even more that Schaub stands UPRIGHT and explodes off the ball of his foot when he throws instead of squatting and lowering his arm & pass trajectory like Carr did.

Schaub is going to do fine.

We're not used to seeing a QB who can read a defense pre-snap and then put a ball where he wants it to go.

The whole team just lost so much confidence in David because of his inability to those things; it became normal for the team to lose its focus and just go through the motions because they sat there and spinned their wheels so much of the time. It's degrading when you do all you can do, and it doesn't matter because your QB is not in the flow like he should be.

Wait until Schaub starts barking at those RBs/TEs/WRs when they mis a route, drop a ball, etc. He's going to lay the smack down and lead this team.

We just cannot even begin to imagine what that looks like because we've not seen it for 5 years on our team.

Schaub's going to do just fine. A lot of people mock Kiper and make fun of him. You try predicting ALL players and where they land, etc. I'd say he has a better finger on the pulse of the NFL draft than most people give him credit for.
 
blockhead83 said:
I was listening to ESPN radio in Dallas this morning, and the hosts were discussing a comment Kipers made, which was something to the effect of, "I'd take Schaub over Romo, with 16 exclamation points..." Apparently several NFL scouts have made a similar reference. The hosts of the show were adamant that if they were going to start a franchise, they'd take Romo 10 times out of 10 over Schaub, and frankly I have to agree with them. Romo played like a pro-bowl performer last year and saved the Cowboys season, and after watching him on several occasions I think he throws one of the prettiest, best placed balls in the NFL. Schaub on the other hand has very little evidence to go on, and the public opinion of him is basically resting on his college and limited professional accomplishments.

I just thought that it was interesting that some scouts and Kiper were willing to come and put their stamp on a guy with little professional background over someone who made the pro-bowl last season. There's obviously something about Schaub that makes people think he's going to be really special. While I disagree that he'd be better than Romo, if Kiper and similar minded scouts are indeed correct and he plays at a similar level or above the one Romo plays at, then we got a fantastic value from the trade and we're going to see a winning team in Houston very soon.

P.S. They said the one big strike on Schaub is that the Texans like him....
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If anything I believe this shows that going for Schaub over a rookie in the 1st round is reason to believe we made a good move.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
What? Romo was undrafted and sat on the bench for 3-4 years before getting a chance to start. Schaub had been projected as a first rounder but dropped because he had a shoulder injury. Then he got stuck behind Vick who had a monster contract and even if they'd drafted Montana, Vick would have been starting. The Falcons fans that have seen Schaub in action have been impressed and they said part of the reason his stats were bad was because he usually only came in when the Falcons were way behind and he had to wing it and take risks in an attempt to bring the team back.
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They're similar because they've both been backups for most of their careers. They're different because Romo has started a good chunk of a season and played at a pro-bowl level, while Schaub has only started two games. In other words, Romo has a professional body of work to reflect on, albeit not very extensive, that is much larger and at this point more impressive than what Schaub has compiled. All I'm saying is one hen in the hand is worth two in the bush, I think it's safer to go with someone who's done it over someone who might do it.

That said, I'm still very happy to have Schaub as our starting QB, and I'm very excited to see what he can do.
 
Specnatz said:
The problem is that as soon as teams had some film on Romo he struggled. A player has to adapt to defenses and Romo did not do that after his first several games.
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I don't buy this and find this to be blah, blah rhetoric of people who were trying to explain his slump last year. It is no secret here, at least I've talked about it, that I grew up in Ft. Worth and thusly have been a Boys fan all my life(moved here in 93 and have been here long enough to be a dual citizen). I don't think Romo is a savior and I'm not going to pump him up to a ridiculous standard. However, I think most of his problems last year were self induced. The first 5 games he was an oddity and people didn't know what to expect but he also was making some crazy Favre like plays..ones that could have gone one way or another. I think as the season wore on he just kept attempting to make those plays yet the ball wasn't quite bouncing as it was before. It was a gunslinger mentality that paid off at times and failed miseribly other times. Overall though I think his upside is huge and once he starts this season as the man, he will be smart enough to stay within himself. Alot of guys started off up and down. He just needs to realize that he can't make every play. JMO. If he does fall out of favor, I'm sure JJ will pull some old bum out again..lol

I am excited about Schaub and will wait to see what we have to see. I do think the change in leadership and what he has done so far(calls, etc) is a step. I also think our offense is built for guys who can read and make the smart play, the accurate throw and he seems to fit the bill.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
We're not used to seeing a QB who can read a defense pre-snap and then put a ball where he wants it to go.
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You said alot there. I remember a play in which Sage saw a blitz coming and threw a quick out to Johnson in Tenn. and we got some yardage out of it. I recall it was then I noticed Sage was doing things David never did like adjust the offense.

I think we are going to see more of that now.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
What? Romo was undrafted and sat on the bench for 3-4 years before getting a chance to start. Schaub had been projected as a first rounder but dropped because he had a shoulder injury. Then he got stuck behind Vick who had a monster contract and even if they'd drafted Montana, Vick would have been starting. The Falcons fans that have seen Schaub in action have been impressed and they said part of the reason his stats were bad was because he usually only came in when the Falcons were way behind and he had to wing it and take risks in an attempt to bring the team back.
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...............and you wonder where he got the blockhead?
 
Schaub's stats are influenced by some Hail Mary passes that were intercepted.

What excites me from what I have seen so far his leadership skills are far better than He Who Must Not Be Named. (Hey, put his name on here and it turns into one of THOSE threads.)

With his passing mechanics and height I think we will see way fewer passes batted down at the line.

As far as how he compares to Romo... My crystal ball is in the shop, so ask me again in a year when I have the advantage of 20/20 hindsight.
 
South Texan said:
Schaub's stats are influenced by some Hail Mary passes that were intercepted.
What excites me from what I have seen so far his leadership skills are far better than He Who Must Not Be Named. (Hey, put his name on here and it turns into one of THOSE threads.)

With his passing mechanics and height I think we will see way fewer passes batted down at the line.

As far as how he compares to Romo... My crystal ball is in the shop, so ask me again in a year when I have the advantage of 20/20 hindsight.
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Glad you said that. I was getting tired of people saying his stats and QB rating weren't the best...the guy played very little and most was in mop up desperation mode where he was chucking it deep.
 
blockhead83 said:
Honest answer, it's just that the likelihood of him being better than a pro-bowl quality guy seems much lower than the likelihood of him being worse. It seems to me if he had perennial pro-bowler written all over him, he wouldn't have been drafted in the 3rd round, sat behind a starter for 3 years, and have a 0-2 starters record with a 1:1 TD to INT ratio. A much exaggerated, but analagous situation would be for me to say had I played the lottery last week I would've won. Nobody can tell me I wouldn't have, since I never played, but the odds that I would have would be infinitesimal (that's a huge overstatement, but you get the picture hopefully). The other reason is I tend to be pessimistic as a Texans fan who's had almost every major acquisition in his favorite franchise's existence blow up in his face. It's called learning by association. I'm not saying Schaub is going to suck, I'm just saying I'd be very, and pleasantly, surprised if he came in and played at a pro-bowl level after being a back up for 3 years.
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Every knock you have against Schaub, it's even worse for Romo. Schaub has been a back-up for three years.... well, at leat he's been the #2 guy for 2 years. Prior to '06, Romo was #3 on the dept chart behind Quincy Carter, Vinny Testeverde, Drew Henson, and most likely a few QBs I've already forgotten.

Schaub was drafted in the third round... because of a shoulder injury. Romo was a very healthy undrafted FA.

Schaub is 0-2 in career starts. Before Romo got the start, he threw for 2 TDs against the Texans in garbage time.

I've got nothing but love for Tony Romo...... he played like a probowler for 5 games... then he didn't for 4 games..... I'm not sold on Romo being the long term solution in Big D.
 
thunderkyss said:
Every knock you have against Schaub, it's even worse for Romo. Schaub has been a back-up for three years.... well, at leat he's been the #2 guy for 2 years. Prior to '06, Romo was #3 on the dept chart behind Quincy Carter, Vinny Testeverde, Drew Henson, and most likely a few QBs I've already forgotten.

Schaub was drafted in the third round... because of a shoulder injury. Romo was a very healthy undrafted FA.

Schaub is 0-2 in career starts. Before Romo got the start, he threw for 2 TDs against the Texans in garbage time.

I've got nothing but love for Tony Romo...... he played like a probowler for 5 games... then he didn't for 4 games..... I'm not sold on Romo being the long term solution in Big D.
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Refer to my post above where I say I'll take a guy who's done it over a guy who might do it. Also, you said every knock is worse for Romo, that's false. Romo has a better starter's record than Schaub.
 
i think people are forgetting that romo has to learn a new offensive system under "coach jones"...oops i mean coach phillips. this will be a good year to see how he adapts.
schaub is already familiar with the west coast offense, so i hope his learning curve is small. :drool:
 
This is the same Kiper that said Mike Williams was the best player in the draft a couple of years back, right?
 
Kiper is a draft analyst. he studies film, talks with teams & is a NFL junkie w/years & years of experience. one would think that is a good thing :wacko:

where was Romo drafted again :confused: & DFW is knocking Schuab for lasting into the 3rd...........

I like Romo too but one thing Schuab has over him (Carr as well) along with his height is his throwing motion its text book straight over the top with excellent launch angle from the line of scrimmage, meaning his passes will be more difficult to knock down/tip so as long as the offensive line does its part to protect & give him time to read through his progressions, better results are sure to follow (nice to have a #2 WR too) :)
 
Vinny said:
Honest question....

How can you be sure that Schaub isn't going to be better than Romo if you haven't seen him play? Aren't you just as guilty as the guys you accuse of blindly liking Schaub over Romo? What's the difference? If neither of you guys have enough data to compile an opinion isn't your best bet to stay neutral instead of just assuming that there is no shot that Schaub can't be a better QB than an undrafted FA up in Jerryjonesville?
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Agreed.

I hate the cowgirls...and Jerry.
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
I don't care what anyone has to say about him or the trade. Until I see him play a full season or at least a few games, I am not going to make any decisions on if he is good or bad or a pro bowler or a flop or the trade was good or bad. I am taking the "wait and see" approach to the whole thing right now...
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As we should but there is no reason not to be optimistic.
 
question is: can Matt be a holder for a field goal? (wait we got sage) .:heh: just kidding ..I feel bad for romo for that ..things happen all the time like that.yet his was the worst possible time(however landry would have kicked on 3rd down )
 
Specnatz said:
The problem is that as soon as teams had some film on Romo he struggled. A player has to adapt to defenses and Romo did not do that after his first several games.
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I'm sure some of that was true. But if you remember what that OL was like when Bledsoe was taking the snaps, you've got to agree that they weren't any better than ours(They gave up 37 sacks, even though Romo dodged a dozen). Romo was having to deal with things on a regular basis, that he shouldn't have to. Much like David.

If the OL improves, & Romo only has to be Romo every now and then, and not every play.
 
blockhead83 said:
Refer to my post above where I say I'll take a guy who's done it over a guy who might do it. Also, you said every knock is worse for Romo, that's false. Romo has a better starter's record than Schaub.
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Yeah that's because Romo played almost a whole season, compared to Schaub's 2 starts which against the pats he threw for 300 yds and he was a rookie then still learning the offense.Now he's been under the same offense as ours for 3 years.He's more of a physical specimen than romo he's accurate,prpbably has a stronger arm.And above all he'll be under the tutelage of Gary Kubiak.Of course you'll take a guy who's done it over a guy who might do but who would'nt.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Nicely put.

The only test of a QB is how they play once teams have seen them play for a while and have seen their strengths and weaknesses.

It is something that makes evaluating backup quarterbacks very difficult if you have only been able to look at them in spot situations. Teams have to make educated guesses.
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This point is brought up a lot. But what you also have to realize is that most QB's are going to get better when they start. Experience is an excellent teacher.
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thunderkyss said:
I'm sure some of that was true. But if you remember what that OL was like when Bledsoe was taking the snaps, you've got to agree that they weren't any better than ours(They gave up 37 sacks, even though Romo dodged a dozen). Romo was having to deal with things on a regular basis, that he shouldn't have to. Much like David.

If the OL improves, & Romo only has to be Romo every now and then, and not every play.
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Of course the O0line played a huge role in his decline. But so did actually having game film on him. It is just that I did not see any adjustments made by him as a player, when he did start to stuggle he just kept doing the same mistakes over and over again.
 
A little off subject but...

Did anyone else get visions of the movie North Dallas Fourty (with Nick Nolte) when Romo fumbled the snap?
 
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