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Odd that Carr hasn't been moved?

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SESupergenius

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You'd think that with all the "great" reporting by McClain, Justice and Cold Pizza last week that Carr would have been moved by now. Isn't this funny? So much for the insight that these guys have. Can anyone tell me what these guys have reported on that has come true?

My bet is that the Texans were trying to coax Carr into restructuring his contract (ala AJ) and he wouldn't budge. Hence a rumor was started that he will be traded and/or Plummer will come in and that Quinn is our highest priority in the draft, just to shake Carr's stance a little and that the intention all along was for him to be the Quarterback at a reduced price.

Makes me wonder.
 
an average QB paid superstar money? Not a mystery why he is still here. John McClain has nothing to do with that. No way they extend him for more years....I can't see that at all.
 
Vinny said:
an average QB paid superstar money? Not a mystery why he is still here. John McClain has nothing to do with that. No way they extend him for more years....I can't see that at all.
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I was specifically talking about the "rumor" going around last week that Carr was to be traded. It lit this place like a wild fire and yet there is no fire, but plenty of smoke.

And don't act like they just can't get rid of high priced players, the Texans are notorious in doing that. Do you want examples?
 
SESupergenius said:
I was specifically talking about the "rumor" going around last week that Carr was to be traded. It lit this place like a wild fire and yet there is no fire, but plenty of smoke.

And don't act like they just can't get rid of high priced players, the Texans are notorious in doing that. Do you want examples?
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I never said they couldn't get rid of him....my whole take this off-season is the fact that they are trying hard to replace him. To me, that is obvious.
 
Vinny said:
I never said they couldn't get rid of him....my whole take this off-season is the fact that they are trying hard to replace him. To me, that is obvious.
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I'm not convinced YET they want to move him. He's been might quiet that's for sure so to me it seems as if he thinks he's gone but as it stands i'm still not convinced the FO will find anything better or even equal to him to bring in.
 
Vinny said:
I never said they couldn't get rid of him....my whole take this off-season is the fact that they are trying hard to replace him. To me, that is obvious.
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-rick smith admits openly they are listening to offers.
-they go hard after jeff garcia, to probably be the starter.
-there have been strong reports that the only reason plummer isn't here is the draft compensation wasnt agreed to by the Texans. Plummer has said himself he would want to be the starter wherever he ends up.
-at least one player has come out and cracked him publicly.

you just dont do stuff like that if you are planning on keeping DC as your starter. that's why there needs to be change, there is just no chance for #8 to succeed, and the FO hasn't exactly come out and given a strong vote of confidence other than rick smith saying "#8's our QB, for now..." i think this forum would melt down if something were to actually happen.
 
SESupergenius said:
I was specifically talking about the "rumor" going around last week that Carr was to be traded. It lit this place like a wild fire and yet there is no fire, but plenty of smoke.

And don't act like they just can't get rid of high priced players, the Texans are notorious in doing that. Do you want examples?
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I can't see the reasoning behind actively going after a QB to try and convince Carr to lower his contract...

That would make it even harder to bring back a guy, who you've sat down and asked to take a pay cut....He refuses....And then to threaten him by courting various QBs ?

To me that seems like it'd make the situation even more stickier....


That'd be like asking your wife of 5yrs if she'd like an "open" relationship, she refuses, and says just divorce me....You then taunt her by bringing other women around trying to force her into an "open" relationship...

The relationship is ruined...there's no making up from that without serious counseling...

You don't think that would cause even more tension ?
 
I have been thinking the same thing. There are certain things that I have read in the Chronicle that makes it seem like Carr being traded is simply a foregone conclusion, although no one every provides real facts to back-up this conclusion. It seems to me like the new front office may be creating this speculation to either disguise their intentions in the draft and/or drum up perceived interest in certiain players to create value....that, or I am just spending too much time on these message boards.

In my mind, our front office has set a value for Carr and is not willing to move from this value. That being said, I don't think that we are done exploring all available options and as the draft moves closer new opportunities will arise.
It would not surprise me to see a draft day transaction that moves Carr and draft picks.

All the speculation is what makes the off-season so much fun.
 
dirty steve said:
-rick smith admits openly they are listening to offers.
-they go hard after jeff garcia, to probably be the starter.
-there have been strong reports that the only reason plummer isn't here is the draft compensation wasnt agreed to by the Texans. Plummer has said himself he would want to be the starter wherever he ends up.
-at least one player has come out and cracked him publicly.

you just dont do stuff like that if you are planning on keeping DC as your starter. that's why there needs to be change, there is just no chance for #8 to succeed, and the FO hasn't exactly come out and given a strong vote of confidence other than rick smith saying "#8's our QB, for now..." i think this forum would melt down if something were to actually happen.
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Preaching to the choir my man. I've been saying the same. Too much vitriole to make a happy year next year. Could not agree more. I think it will be a draft day thing. I also think that it is crazy to assume Plummer's retirement is perm.
 
dirty steve said:
-they go hard after jeff garcia, to probably be the starter.
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They went after him, but obviously not too hard. If the Texans were serious about changing Carr out, they would have paid for another starting QB.
dirty steve said:
-there have been strong reports that the only reason plummer isn't here is the draft compensation wasnt agreed to by the Texans. Plummer has said himself he would want to be the starter wherever he ends up.
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could be that the Texans couldn't say he was the starter or not. Once again, they would have paid to have another QB, not just wing it going into preseason.
dirty steve said:
-at least one player has come out and cracked him publicly.
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Carr won't be cracking on Dunta for his whole 2 int's last year, he's kinda got a little class. It's a team game.

dirty steve said:
you just dont do stuff like that if you are planning on keeping DC as your starter. that's why there needs to be change, there is just no chance for #8 to succeed, and the FO hasn't exactly come out and given a strong vote of confidence other than rick smith saying "#8's our QB, for now..." i think this forum would melt down if something were to actually happen.
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They did re-sign him last season, so there is your vote of confidence.
 
Spike said:
I have been thinking the same thing. There are certain things that I have read in the Chronicle that makes it seem like Carr being traded is simply a foregone conclusion, although no one every provides real facts to back-up this conclusion. It seems to me like the new front office may be creating this speculation to either disguise their intentions in the draft and/or drum up perceived interest in certiain players to create value....that, or I am just spending too much time on these message boards.

In my mind, our front office has set a value for Carr and is not willing to move from this value. That being said, I don't think that we are done exploring all available options and as the draft moves closer new opportunities will arise.
It would not surprise me to see a draft day transaction that moves Carr and draft picks.

All the speculation is what makes the off-season so much fun.
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I agree, I think that almost everyone on this team can be had for a set price. If a reporter is asking the question specifically about Carr then sure the answer is yes, we entertain offers on Carr. It wouldn't surpise me either if they pulled a draft day deal for Carr, teams will be a little less conservative at that point and Finally some else can get Casserliezed.
 
freedoggy77 said:
john mcclain is a retard and looks/sounds like he's about to have a heart attack. just look him up on youtube.. "grunt...I'm...here....with....UH QB...Kevin Kolb....my...mancrush"
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He does at least get to work with Anna-Megan.. but I agree with you on his man-crushes... Vince last year, and as you mention Kevin Kolb this year..
 
SESupergenius said:
Carr won't be cracking on Dunta for his whole 2 int's last year, he's kinda got a little class. .
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Dunta probably said what alot of the team wanted to. Have you seen anyone since then come out and challenge what he said?Maybe a bad move but one that needed to be said. By the way, guys like PacMan and Jammer only had 4 ints and Vasher had 2 I believe. Not all good dbs get ints.

Despite your comments above, not everyone is available for the right price. AJ and others would not be touched. If you are the QB, you have a vote of confidence or not...you aren't left in the air.
 
mexican_texan said:
Draft-day trade.
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I agree, it's smelling like that right now. Then again, so much stuff can happen, but if I HAD to put money on this whole Carr thing, my bet would be draft day.

I'll rather see him leave tomorrow though, that would result in an instant guinness-fest, and I feel like drinking :)
 
SESupergenius said:
I was specifically talking about the "rumor" going around last week that Carr was to be traded. It lit this place like a wild fire and yet there is no fire, but plenty of smoke.

And don't act like they just can't get rid of high priced players, the Texans are notorious in doing that. Do you want examples?
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To understand what the Texans are doing with Carr right now, one only has to look back one year to the Titans for reference. It is the same exact thing except there isnt as much of an uproar because McNair had delivered for the Titans (superbowl, playoffs, conference championship games, etc.) and Carr has yet to deliver anything of note for the Texans. And the fact that the Texans are reportedly being shrewd isn't a problem for me either. They should hold out for as long as possible.

The Texans are trying to get as much as possible for Carr and who can blame them? Carr has over 70 career NFL starts. Carr has some of the tools that a NFL GM looks for. He is without doubt the 2nd best QB that is currently on the trading block and would come much cheaper (both in picks and contract) than Trent Green, the #1 QB on the trading block. I FULLY support them getting anything they can for Carr and I fully support them waiting until the last minute (June cap deadline) to do so. I am fine with Sage as our starter and we will be able to peruse the June cap casualty list for a backup or possible competition in camp (Plummer, Garcia, Simms, Kitna, etc.) I would have no problem letting Sage getting a chance. I think he has earned it and AJ and him have been working out a lot together this offseason. That makes me smile as a Texans fan.

I wish Carr the best wherever he goes (as long as its NFC of course) and actually think there are a few spots where he may have a chance to resurrect his career but its not gonna be with the Texans.

To sum up: IMHO He won't be traded until the last few days before the June cap deadline ala McNair. If there are no takers, he will be June cap casualty.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I can't see the reasoning behind actively going after a QB to try and convince Carr to lower his contract...
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Happens all the time. Take a pay cut or else get cut. Then the pressure is on the player to get more money in free agency....if he gets a contract at all. If he gets a contract that is lower than what the original team had offered in their pay cut, the player doesn't make out as well. Of course they could inevitably cut him anyways if they have another route to pursue.
 
Malloy said:
I agree, it's smelling like that right now. Then again, so much stuff can happen, but if I HAD to put money on this whole Carr thing, my bet would be draft day.

I'll rather see him leave tomorrow though, that would result in an instant guinness-fest, and I feel like drinking :)
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don't forget to mix beer w/food, some water too :drool: & its on :toast2:
 
Carr won't be traded until the week of the draft or on draft day if they can get something for him. Don't be surprised if he lasts longer than that though. He could still be here by the time mini camps start. They want the most they can get for him.

Pretty much the man in charge Mr. McNair has to sign off on Carr being moved. So it's up to Kubiak and Smith to prove there's a better option.

From what I've heard, Carr and his family know as much as we know about what will happen. The Texans haven't been talking to him and are progressing as if Carr will be the starter next year. I don't think that will happen, but I also thought the Texans were drafting Reggie Bush last year. They will do what they think gives them the best chance to win... regardless how you, i or anyone else feels.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Preaching to the choir my man. I've been saying the same. Too much vitriole to make a happy year next year. Could not agree more. I think ti will be a draft day thing. I also think that it is crazy to assume Plummer's retirement is perm.
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I think the vitriol has been coming from the Chronicle writers (McClain & Justice) more than it has been coming from the Texans. The Chronicle has consistently taken every official thing the Texans have said and blown it up with the addition of innuendo and personal opinion while not distinguishing fiction from fact. To top it off, most other outlets are really citing the Chronicle when they report a "Carr is gonna be traded" rumor.

Anyway, what I have seen this offseason is the team taking off the kid gloves when it comes to dealing with Carr. They seem to be trying to make it clear that they will try to improve the QB position and if Carr is still here, it is because he is the better option.

I also think that if Carr is traded, it is more likely to go down on draft day.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Despite your comments above, not everyone is available for the right price.
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Yes they are--see Champ Bailey for Clinton Portis. Bailey inarguably was more well accomplished at his position when traded than AJ to date. The main reason big trades don't get made is because the cap restricts them to happening in the last couple years of a contract or the hit is far too big. If a month ago Indy had called wanting to trade AJ for Manning, we would be talking about how to trade up for Calvin Johnson right now.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
I think he has earned it and AJ and him have been working out a lot together this offseason. That makes me smile as a Texans fan.
How has he earned this?
He has sat on the sidelines for almost the entire season, and played sparingly, doing well in one outing.
I think you guys are putting way to much faith in Sage, just in the interest of seeing something new.
I think we might be hearing a little Cinderella....
"Don't know what you got, till its gone..."
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SESupergenius said:
Happens all the time. Take a pay cut or else get cut. Then the pressure is on the player to get more money in free agency....if he gets a contract at all. If he gets a contract that is lower than what the original team had offered in their pay cut, the player doesn't make out as well.
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How many times do you think this has happened and the player wins ?

Meaning, he comes back under his same contract ?


Normally when that happens(Jamal Lewis), or any other contract dispute for that matter, the team is basically saying take a cut, or we are going to get rid of you....They aren't sayin please take a pay cut, but if you don't want to it's cool....

I don't see how this helps your argument that it's all smoke and mirrors.
 
SESupergenius said:
They did re-sign him last season, so there is your vote of confidence.
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Umm, you are wrong. Casserley and McNair resigned Carr. Kubiak and Smith had nothing to do with the extension. Kubiak gave him a vote of confidence when he got hired but that was part and parcel of accepting the job. Carr was already resigned. Smith wasn't even in the picture at this time.

but keep praying that Carr is back with the Texans. Maybe once he is dealt/pickedup by another team you can follow him to that team's forums as you have always been more of a Carr fan than a Texans fan. Something tells me your schoolboy crush on Carr wont be missed.....
 
SES I hope you're right. I hope they did ask him to take a pay cut.

Because that'd mean, either he's coming back at a reduced rate(which I still don't like, but can live with), or he's going to be somewhere else...


Not that I believe any of this, because I think he's already gone. I just think they're waiting on the right time to go through with it.
 
dirty steve said:
-rick smith admits openly they are listening to offers.
-they go hard after jeff garcia, to probably be the starter.
-there have been strong reports that the only reason plummer isn't here is the draft compensation wasnt agreed to by the Texans. Plummer has said himself he would want to be the starter wherever he ends up.
-at least one player has come out and cracked him publicly.

you just dont do stuff like that if you are planning on keeping DC as your starter. that's why there needs to be change, there is just no chance for #8 to succeed, and the FO hasn't exactly come out and given a strong vote of confidence other than rick smith saying "#8's our QB, for now..." i think this forum would melt down if something were to actually happen.
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love your avatar, Dirty Steve. sadly, pretty much all the Oilers are selling out left and right...I can't think of any that havent
 
SESupergenius said:
Happens all the time. Take a pay cut or else get cut. Then the pressure is on the player to get more money in free agency....if he gets a contract at all. If he gets a contract that is lower than what the original team had offered in their pay cut, the player doesn't make out as well. Of course they could inevitably cut him anyways if they have another route to pursue.
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Except he isn't a free agent and the management holds the cards. Why would you want to play for a team where they hold you hostage and where teammates aren't exactly rallying around you?Again, we are both better off apart.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
love your avatar, Dirty Steve. sadly, pretty much all the Oilers are selling out left and right...I can't think of any that havent
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nice to see you and i agree on something. it just really ticked me off that moon was honored in a city where he NEVER played professionally. get honored in seattle, minneapolis, houston, kansas city. nashville just doesnt make any sense.
 
infantrycak said:
Yes they are--see Champ Bailey for Clinton Portis. Bailey inarguably was more well accomplished at his position when traded than AJ to date. The main reason big trades don't get made is because the cap restricts them to happening in the last couple years of a contract or the hit is far too big. If a month ago Indy had called wanting to trade AJ for Manning, we would be talking about how to trade up for Calvin Johnson right now.
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Agree completely and thus I think they are untouchable. I am not being rude about management but I don't think this organization, at this juncture, has the balls to try something like that. We don't have what alot of people want and at least the ones we do have, we know their value.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
How many times do you think this has happened and the player wins ?

Meaning, he comes back under his same contract ?


Normally when that happens(Jamal Lewis), or any other contract dispute for that matter, the team is basically saying take a cut, or we are going to get rid of you....They aren't sayin please take a pay cut, but if you don't want to it's cool....

I don't see how this helps your argument that it's all smoke and mirrors.
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I don't know how many times, but it does happen. Usually a player will take a cut somewhere to help out the team restructure it's cap space. If not then if a replacement can be obtained they will let the player go outright. The play can then resign with the team at a lower salary if there are no hard feelings and it's just business or the player will test the free agency market.

like the poster said previously, they are approaching the QB positions without kid gloves. My point was how careless the media is in reporting "true" news and not going off on their own agenda because they wanted Vince Young.
 
dirty steve said:
nice to see you and i agree on something. it just really ticked me off that moon was honored in a city where he NEVER played professionally. get honored in seattle, minneapolis, houston, kansas city. nashville just doesnt make any sense.
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yeah, i am a cantankerous fart sometimes.

its just Bud being Bud. they have banners of players that have never played there. i think even Earl has been honored there, that is pure sacrilege.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Umm, you are wrong. Casserley and McNair resigned Carr. Kubiak and Smith had nothing to do with the extension. Kubiak gave him a vote of confidence when he got hired but that was part and parcel of accepting the job. Carr was already resigned. Smith wasn't even in the picture at this time.

but keep praying that Carr is back with the Texans. Maybe once he is dealt/pickedup by another team you can follow him to that team's forums as you have always been more of a Carr fan than a Texans fan. Something tells me your schoolboy crush on Carr wont be missed.....
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Ummmm, wrong. Casserly and McNair re-signed Carr based on Kubiaks assessment of him, after Kubiak was hired.

Kubiak was pegged on Jan 22, 2006 to be the coach.

Carr was signed almost 2 weeks later

I don't know where you get off on insulting me with your little cracks, but stick to facts and you won't look like an *****.


And look at whose more of a Carr-hater than a Texans fans. I bet you have more hate filled Carr threads than praise for other Texans fans combined.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
its just Bud being Bud. they have banners of players that have never played there. i think even Earl has been honored there, that is pure sacrilege.
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i think eearl told bud to stick it as being honored in person. his number is retired, but i don't think Mr. Campbell was there in person.
 
SESupergenius said:
Ummmm, wrong. Casserly and McNair re-signed Carr based on Kubiaks assessment of him, after Kubiak was hired.

Kubiak was pegged on Jan 22, 2006 to be the coach.

Carr was signed almost 2 weeks later

I don't know where you get off on insulting me with your little cracks, but stick to facts and you won't look like an *****.


And look at whose more of a Carr-hater than a Texans fans. I bet you have more hate filled Carr threads than praise for other Texans fans combined.
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Carr was going to be resigned regardless of Kubiak. So in less than 2 weeks Kubiak was supposed to leave Denver, assemble a coaching staff, begin preparing for draft, AND make a decision on David. David was as good as signed. The ink wasnt even dry on Kubiak's contract by the time Carr was resigned. Carr was resigned by Casserley and McNair, and I stand by that. Kubiak gave an endorsement of Carr, that is true, but that was part and parcel of ANY coach coming to the Texans. It was obvious McNair already had his mind made up on Carr because Dan Reeves had already advised McNair to draft Young and McNair didn't listen. Due to the fact that Reeves wasnt interviewing for a job, he was reportedly the only guy to give McNair an honest answer.

as for the rest, just do me a favor and go wherever Carr goes. we need Texans fans not Carr fans.
 
I think the Texans are playing it smart. I think they put up a lot of trail balloons.

They want to move on, but are not gonna give Carr away. And if the right deal doesn't come around then they will hang on to him. Why not? He's a great backup. Frankly, if we can keep him as a backup, I'd be happy with that.

But we need to try to find somebody that will hopefully be our future starter. ( I really wanted Garcia for the next season. It's not a sure thing that he will be the starter in Tampa. But he would have been with us. And that's what he wants.)
 
HoustonFrog said:
The prereq for being the coach was fixing Carr. There was no real input. They knew where they were heading.
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I keep seeing this tired line touted over and over again, and yet it seems as totally unsubstantiated now as it did when I first read it. Who besides McLame (i.e. someone actually in a position to know) has actually come out and said or even implied this? What facts--other than David Carr still being here, which I know in the eyes of many begs a conspiracy theory--support this claim? If there was a quote I missed or something of the sort, please, someone, point me to it. "I don't have a source, but I heard it on the radio once" doesn't count.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Carr was going to be resigned regardless of Kubiak.
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Nope, not true. Kubiak had to assess Carr just like every other player on the roster, but with Carr it was more of a factor considering there was a deadline looming on his status with the team

"I'll find a way to make him successful because it's in him," Kubiak said.
"I'm a David Carr fan. I like the skills he has. There is no reason that
David shouldn't be a successful quarterback."

The Texans must decide by the Pro Bowl if they want to pick up the option on
Carr's contract to keep him with the team. ​

Second Honeymoon said:
So in less than 2 weeks Kubiak was supposed to leave Denver, assemble a coaching staff, begin preparing for draft, AND make a decision on David. David was as good as signed.
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That the rigors of an NFL a new head coach, but Carr's deadline was approaching faster than the draft. I'm pretty sure that Kubiak prepared to leave Denver well before Feb., so I'm guessing he had prepared for that way before they announced it. Just a hunch.

Kubiak had a whole month and half before Carr was signed, you act like he was sitting around.

Here is Reeve's other quote on Young:
"I don't know if they ever asked my advice, but I looked at (Young) and told them that he was a guy they would have to consider even with David Carr there," Reeves said."I was happy for him, because I know there were so many questions that came out about him. Is he going to be able to handle the next level and so forth?

"I was happy for him."​
That doesn't even remotely say to dump Carr and draft Vince Young now does it? To put it in perspective, what was Reeves' quotes on the other draftees or did you all think that Reeves had his one eye on VY. I doubt we see complete reporting like that instead of the agenda running Chronicles take.


And in turn, you can follow Carr wherever he goes and paint it black, you sure don't have anything to post here outside of that. What kind of Texans fan are you going to be if Carr stays? A whining crybaby that didn't get his way, I can see that. You will be just like John McClain.
 
dirty steve said:
i think eearl told bud to stick it as being honored in person. his number is retired, but i don't think Mr. Campbell was there in person.
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You are correct. Earl refused to be a part of anything Tennessee Titan. Also you can add O.A. "Bum" Phillips to that list as well. They both claimed that they were "Houston" Oilers.
 
afcman said:
Well no, but I did hear him say on espn radio that he would have taken Young.
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Before the draft, right after the draft or during Young's little win streak?

What did he say about Reggie Bush or Williams?
 
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