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If they are unable to trade Carr . . .
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real
Guest
cut him.
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real
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Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
LOL.... Let me go check my answer in the 3,000 other threads, just to make sure I stay consistent....
LOL.... Let me go check my answer in the 3,000 other threads, just to make sure I stay consistent....
Of course we should keep him. Given that the better free agent opportunities are evaporating, I am glad to see the decision to release Carr becoming incrementally more difficult.
STONE D 55
Practice Squad
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Well it's early, but those resluts are going to hurt some folks. 65% wow !
R
real
Guest
Hurt ? ....No...
The Texans don't want Carr...It's not too hard to see...
They aren't going to cut him because someone will atleast give a 7th for him...
Carr will be gone even if that's all they'd get...
The Texans don't want Carr...It's not too hard to see...
They aren't going to cut him because someone will atleast give a 7th for him...
Carr will be gone even if that's all they'd get...
WaywardTexanFan
Waterboy
Keep him
Please_Evolve
Waterboy
...this should be a no brainer.
Looking at the remaining free agent starting Qbs i'm not excited. There is a few Qb's we could look at as a project type.
Those in favor of cutting him are you really that sold on the idea of Rosenfels being your starter with what Quinton Porter your back up? If we draft a QB the only way i hope he sees any playing time is either due to injury or getting play time in a blowout win
Looking at the remaining free agent starting Qbs i'm not excited. There is a few Qb's we could look at as a project type.
Those in favor of cutting him are you really that sold on the idea of Rosenfels being your starter with what Quinton Porter your back up? If we draft a QB the only way i hope he sees any playing time is either due to injury or getting play time in a blowout win
R
real
Guest
...this should be a no brainer.
Looking at the remaining free agent starting Qbs i'm not excited. There is a few Qb's we could look at as a project type.
Those in favor of cutting him are you really that sold on the idea of Rosenfels being your starter with what Quinton Porter your back up? If we draft a QB the only way i hope he sees any playing time is either due to injury or getting play time in a blowout win
You are acting like we'd be losing a lot by Starting Rosenfels and cutting David...
What has David done that's so irreplaceable ? I know he set the bar high with his 11 tds[
], but I'm sure we can find someone to hand the ball off and fumble....
A Texan
Waterboy
Yes. It's very hard to imagine anybody that could be more pathetically inept than Carr....this should be a no brainer.
Looking at the remaining free agent starting Qbs i'm not excited. There is a few Qb's we could look at as a project type.
Those in favor of cutting him are you really that sold on the idea of Rosenfels being your starter with what Quinton Porter your back up? If we draft a QB the only way i hope he sees any playing time is either due to injury or getting play time in a blowout win
ehhhh. . it's the typical offseason where it's mostly pro-Carr. If this poll were to take place during actual football season, the results would be vastly different.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
...this should be a no brainer.
Looking at the remaining free agent starting Qbs i'm not excited. There is a few Qb's we could look at as a project type.
Those in favor of cutting him are you really that sold on the idea of Rosenfels being your starter with what Quinton Porter your back up? If we draft a QB the only way i hope he sees any playing time is either due to injury or getting play time in a blowout win
Where has Carr shown that he is so much better than Rosebnfels..lol. I voted cut just for the sanity of the organization and so we can have damage control while moving forward. I think the talks so far have taken us to the edge of a cliff we can't get off.
Hottoddie
Veteran
Some of you people crack me up. You're thinking with your emotions, rather than what's best for the organization.
I still believe in Carr, but I'm also smart enough to be able to read the writing on the wall. It's my opinion that Carr will be traded on draft day & that it will be to Oakland for a 3rd round pick.
However, to answer the original question in this thread, if we are unable to trade Carr, then we keep him. We're going to take a big hit from his bonus, whether we trade him, cut him, or keep him, anyway. We can always let him go at the end of the year, next year. But, the main reason for keeping him is, some team is most likely going to have their starting QB go down during the season. That team would be more willing to part with a 3rd, or possibly a 2nd round pick, if they're in the middle of a playoff run.
So, if you can, try & take the emotional part out of your decisions. It'll help you see more clearly.
I still believe in Carr, but I'm also smart enough to be able to read the writing on the wall. It's my opinion that Carr will be traded on draft day & that it will be to Oakland for a 3rd round pick.
However, to answer the original question in this thread, if we are unable to trade Carr, then we keep him. We're going to take a big hit from his bonus, whether we trade him, cut him, or keep him, anyway. We can always let him go at the end of the year, next year. But, the main reason for keeping him is, some team is most likely going to have their starting QB go down during the season. That team would be more willing to part with a 3rd, or possibly a 2nd round pick, if they're in the middle of a playoff run.
So, if you can, try & take the emotional part out of your decisions. It'll help you see more clearly.
Navy_Chris
Rookie
cut cut cut cut cut
So, if you can, try & take the emotional part out of your decisions. It'll help you see more clearly.
All things considered, that's a little easier said than done.
IMO, it's beyond that. If they can't trade David, he'll be cut.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
You know why Carr hasn't been successful the past few years? He hasn't had to earn his spot. There has never been a possibility of Carr losing his starting spot. Change that. Make it an open competition. If he can't beat Rosenfels or a rookie, THEN you cut him. If he can earn it, he should have the job.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I respect the opinion but this is team suicide. I know you are saying if he doesn't win it outright to cut him but overall if you think it is messy now, wait until the have a competition. No matter who wins out there is going to be a group or someone who is going to be cheering for the backup.,,same with the team. It is asking for a split team.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Some of you people crack me up. You're thinking with your emotions, rather than what's best for the organization.
I still believe in Carr, but I'm also smart enough to be able to read the writing on the wall. It's my opinion that Carr will be traded on draft day & that it will be to Oakland for a 3rd round pick.
However, to answer the original question in this thread, if we are unable to trade Carr, then we keep him. We're going to take a big hit from his bonus, whether we trade him, cut him, or keep him, anyway. We can always let him go at the end of the year, next year. But, the main reason for keeping him is, some team is most likely going to have their starting QB go down during the season. That team would be more willing to part with a 3rd, or possibly a 2nd round pick, if they're in the middle of a playoff run.
So, if you can, try & take the emotional part out of your decisions. It'll help you see more clearly.
Exactly, which is why it is better off to get rid of the black cloud for the team's sake then keep him around. I've never advocated just cutting him outright, I'd like a pick but his value goes down if he isn't starting this year and is sitting on a bench. Not only that but you still have people who are always going to want the backup...especially if it is Carr or vice versa. This year isn't a year where we are winning anything. But we can start healing and growing and if Sage starts while a young guy learns I'm all for it. With Carr gone it gives us 5 million to spend later. Right now, we have an owner and GM who have been willing to part with him, players who have said the team is better without him and a fan base that has grown weary. Why would you want the guy still on the team. Not only for the teams sake but for his sake.
Good post and good point! When you take into consideration all the comments that have been made among players, coaches, media, and fans, the atmosphere surrounding Carr has become so hostile, that it would be a distraction to the team.
Navy_Chris
Rookie
I agree with both of you. I haven't been a fan of DC since 2002, but it would be unfair to him to subject him to all of the negativity.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Exactly!It isn't like I continuously advocate getting rid of him because of something personal. It goes both ways. If things worked out well for all parties, great. I have doubts on whether the guy can succeed in the league but if he is given a fresh start and we are too and we can get down to some football...it is a win/win. My main focus though is the team.
...this should be a no brainer.
Looking at the remaining free agent starting Qbs i'm not excited. There is a few Qb's we could look at as a project type.
Those in favor of cutting him are you really that sold on the idea of Rosenfels being your starter with what Quinton Porter your back up? If we draft a QB the only way i hope he sees any playing time is either due to injury or getting play time in a blowout win
JMO, but I think any QB could throw (a) down field and (b) throw more than 11tds.
freedoggy77
Waterboy
keep him because why would you cut a player that you wasted a first round pick on? let him compete or keep him as a backup to sage.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
just so everyone knows, but THAT mentality is the reason the Texans have been in a retarded state of development since Day One. Congratulations.
kudos to at least using the word wasted though, because that is what it was...a wasted pick.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
What does hate have to do with any of the above posts?It is good for both sides. Did you ever think that people have opinions that benefit both sides.
Hottoddie
Veteran
Try rereading them. You don't just cut a player with value, that has never caused an uproar of any sort. Carr doesn't need to be cut to start the healing process, as one poster put it. That has to be one of the dumbest comments I've ever read.
While Carr's play & decision making can be questioned, there's no way Carr's class can be questioned. The man has been a class act from the beginning & has never waivered, even with all the venom that has been spewed his way. It's the class of a hand full of posters on this board that I question.
Carr has value to another team & that team will eventually make a satisfactory offer. Benching Carr won't drop his value much & I'll bet anyone, anything, that he'll sit on the bench without making waves.
And yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion. However, there seems to be a small handfull of posters that are constantly tearing him down. They've made their point, but they won't move along. If that's not hating on a player, then you tell me what is.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
If we cut Carr we get 3.5m back. That is value. We know what 7m per year yields with him at the helm over the course of five years.
Navy_Chris
Rookie
That's pure ego talking. You can't have that attitude when trying to improve your football team. Sometimes you just have to cut your losses. If Matt Millen could do it, so can we.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Well apperently there's 65% out there whom disagree with you. So is it a function of they are terribly misinformed or that the forty % even after the attacks are obsessing over DC ? Kinda funny actually. All of that ranting and raving, and you're still in the minority, by a lot. I never dreamed 65 %. A better man would take a second look. When the whole world is wrong and you still believe you're correct...take a second look ? One thing about it you guys are certainly consistant.
What? This coming from you? You actually care about Carr's feelings after all the negativity that has come from you and the 37% of the other people in this poll.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Seriously, this is a football team where guys get paid millions, not a high school most popular contest. It is about what is best for the team after taking everything into consideration. You do know there is a situation where everyone comes out ahead instead of putting a round peg into a square hole?My Lord. I am in debt up to my ears from school loans in my past and I'm working my tail off for my wife and kid to be. I don't feel sorry for a guy getting millions because message board pundits don't want him here.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
it only proves that a lot of people are stubborn and wont cut their losses...
but whatever, keep defending the loser and blaming all his shortcomings on the rest of the franchise...it wont be anything i havent heard already
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
No it isn't froggie. It isn't a popularity contest. But I think the point of the little thread is that there are a minority who've been consistant DC haters, and the rest of us still have open minds. Trade him , cut him, stand pat and pay the salary next season, a lot of us feel that what ever they do we'll be on board. I don't know what they'll do at this point. Might be they are stuck with him now and the choices are enter the season with him or cut him out right. You're starting QB should be more than a mascot. DC certainly digressed last year. But their options are dwindling every week at QB in free agency. He could well be here again next season.
As far as you're personell situation...it could be worse. Trust me on this. Try to keep a positive attitude and remember this is the best time in your life. Looks like a mountian right now, but the worm will turn. You'll reach the peak. That which doesn't kill ya makes you stronger.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I don't really care what happens with Carr and who we take in the 1st....so long as we don't trady up.
I'm actually okay with Carr being our starter..if our offense actually does good everyone in the stadium would look at each other speechless...the stadium would be soo quiet and we'd all erupt. that would be an awesome thing to be a part of...lol
I don't want to keep carr if he's going to be a back up all season. His salary is way too much. If he's gonna play...let him play. if he's gonna sit on the bench...cut your losses and don't pay the salary $5 mill salary for 2 more years.
I'm actually okay with Carr being our starter..if our offense actually does good everyone in the stadium would look at each other speechless...the stadium would be soo quiet and we'd all erupt. that would be an awesome thing to be a part of...lol
I don't want to keep carr if he's going to be a back up all season. His salary is way too much. If he's gonna play...let him play. if he's gonna sit on the bench...cut your losses and don't pay the salary $5 mill salary for 2 more years.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
I think the only thing we've lacked with DC is a six pack of patience. And another personal attack by you isn't going to change that opinion. So DC hasn't given you instant gratifacation and now you wanna scream and squeal like a little girl , hold your breath stomp your feet, untill you get your way...nice. Attack everyone who disagrrees with you. They just might keep they guy. I'm wondering how many years all of this is taking off of your life expectancy there Honeymoon ? I can see those arteries cloging as I post. Too funny.
TexansSB07
Waterboy
I say give him 1 more year, simply because our options are thus......1 an unproven college QB (who could be Tom Brady or Ryan Leaf). 2 a castoff from another team, where he was so unspectacular they cut him and took a cap hit rather than hold a roster spot.
or as my daddy used to say "a bird in the hand"
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
do you actually believe that? 5 years and counting....
OrangeCountyTexansFan
Waterboy
How about a rookie straight out of college?
Texanfan4ever
Rookie
Don't count on it. You think this board right now is full of Pro-Carr people? I don't think so. Go look at every thread on the first page.
It would just be a better business decision. Hopefully that is how the FO is working. If they all worked off strictly emotion, we would be in trouble.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Personally, I'm not going to vote on this one. I don't know all the cap hit nuances and I can make arguments either way. If we can't trade him, then I don't much care what we do with him as long as we give other people the opportunity to take the job from him.
We can always keep him as a backup until some other team has injuries to the QB's and need a veteran QB quick. Then we might be able to get something for him.
We can always keep him as a backup until some other team has injuries to the QB's and need a veteran QB quick. Then we might be able to get something for him.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
To tell you the truth. There should have been a 3rd option in the poll that said,"Make the best decision for the team (ability/team/money wise) when deciding what to do."
That option would have been your clear cut winner.
I think the majority of the posters/fans just want what's best for the Texans and we trust Smith/Kubiak to handle it how they see fit.
Really, we are on the fence when it comes to DC. We see no upgrade opportunites in FA. IF Rosenfels, beats him out, fine I can live with that.
I just don't want the Texans to cut him for the sake of it unless they feel that is what is needed.
The ABC gang here is standing in a forest with a bunch of dead/sick trees. However, they can see only one of them with a #8 painted on it's trunk. They think that if they just cut that one tree down and burn it. The rest of the trees will regain their health. Nevermind that they could have sold that tree for some money.
Instead they want to plant a high priced tree that holds no value for 2 maybe 3 years. The problem is that tree probably won't be at the store when they go buy it and they already cut the #8 tree down and burnt it.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
one could use your metaphor and say that Carr is the huge sick tree taking up all the sunlight and water all the while infecting the other trees with its sickness. In turn, this causes the other trees to never be able to grow and mature into the trees we thought they were when we planted them. once the huge sick tree is taken down the rest of the forest would be able to grow, prosper, and thrive.