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Tatum Bell and Plummer to Houston rumor

JAXwithanX

JAXwithanX

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The Texans are interested in Plummer. Whether through trade or release, Plummer is likely to end up with Kubiak. There is talk the Broncos and Texans will discuss a trade that would send Plummer, Bell and an early-round draft pick to Houston for the No. 8 overall pick and perhaps a player.
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http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_5251758

I personally hate the idea....but at least it is something to talk about.
 
That article sounds eerily like John McClain... trying to pimp a trade idea to the local team..

I think I would actually vomit if the Texans give up #8 and a player for Plummer, Bell and an early round pick,
 
So we would get:

Jake Plummer
Tatum Bell
an early round draft pick
- Plummer and Bell have actually produced

We would give:
Our 1st rounder
Another player (I nominate David Carr)

Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me at all. JMHO.
 
Yeah it is probably the worst offseason idea I've heard yet. There is no way Kubiak and Smith would mull this over....but there just hasn't been much to discuss the past few days so I figure why not?

MichaelM, your avatar is great.
 
Not sure I'd like this scenario. Denver is trying to get playmakers also, so they would jettison Plummer and Bell to us to pick one at #8. Doesn't sound like a long-term move, but rather one of desparation...doubt Rick will pull that trigger.
 
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pl...gnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=2665&line=89102&spln=1

Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan said Tuesday that Tatum Bell's fumbles disappointed him more than his 2006 statistics.
"Everybody says what a bad year Tatum had and what a great year Maroney had, but Tatum Bell averaged more yards-per-carry," he said. "I think Tatum just disappointed with the turnovers...late in the season." Some near the team say Bell won't be back with Denver in 2007. Feb. 6 - 4:02 pm et
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okay.

So Pops Shanahan doesn't like Plummer throwing the ball away and Bell fumbling. And then the "Texan Brass" likes them both.

real good planning.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
So we would get:

Jake Plummer
Tatum Bell
an early round draft pick

We would give:
Our 1st rounder
Another player (I nominate David Carr)

Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me at all. JMHO.
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If Jake Plummer wasn't going to get cut and he was still their starter I guess I could understand it. But basically....because if we wait long enough Plummer will get cut (which I'm not saying we should do, I'd like to give up something small for him to get him here before the final day before camp....like the Ravens did with McNair....maybe give up a 5th) we are giving up the 8th pick and a player (it isn't like we have an abundance of players that teams would want that wouldn't significantly hurt us if we lost) for Tatum Bell and a 2nd or 3rd round pick......thats horrible.
 
Not a whole lot to consider here.

Here's the key phrase of the article...

Heard an interesting scenario the other day: Tatum Bell and Jake Plummer could be joining coach Gary Kubiak in Houston.
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Reaching.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Not a whole lot to consider here.

Here's the key phrase of the article...



Reaching.
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Oh damn, your right....well now you've solved it for everyone I guess we should just lock the thread and start talking about drafting AP at 8 or whether a guy we don't even have yet would be a good QB here.

Like I said....didn't say it was all that plausible....but it is worth discussing...anything other than the 50 threads over the same subjects.
 
JAXwithanX said:
Oh damn, your right....well now you've solved it for everyone I guess we should just lock the thread and start talking about drafting AP at 8 or whether a guy we don't even have yet would be a good QB here.
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Solved what? Was this thread supposed to be a riddle?

The article itself is even titled "Tatum Bell in Houston? Trade possible"

Notice the question mark.
 
JAXwithanX said:
Oh damn, your right....well now you've solved it for everyone I guess we should just lock the thread and start talking about drafting AP at 8 or whether a guy we don't even have yet would be a good QB here.

Like I said....didn't say it was all that plausible....but it is worth discussing...anything other than the 50 threads over the same subjects.
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Its a good find especially comming from Denver. I am not sure if it will happen or not,but its all up to kubiak and co.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Solved what? Was this thread supposed to be a riddle?

The article itself is even titled "Tatum Bell in Houston? Trade possible"

Notice the question mark.
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Well since you've twice posted phrases alluding to the idea that it isn't very solid....(even though thats obvious) and helped make up everyone's mind that it isn't worth discussing....well I guess you have solved it for us. Not worth discussing on a discussion board....please continue with the Carr vs. Plummer threads.

But i guess this is understandable since you've got a fondness for playing Daddy apparently....
 
It's a good deal in that if the Media blitz to kill Carr's career in Houston is successful, then having a veteran QB in Plummer to take his place makes more sense than Sage Rosefels as our QB in 2007. Add to that that we get a pretty good runner in Bell. What is the downside to that? Well it depends on who we were going to pick at the #8 slot in the draft. Does that player have more talent than Plummer (on the downside of his career) or Bell (starting his career)?
 
Memo to Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak: There are other teams in the NFL to make deals with. I know you have deep connections with the Broncos organization, but looking at the Broncos to solve all of our problems is ridiculous. I would not do that deal because Plummer may be cut and Tatum Bell is a good back but not worth giving up the no.8 pick. We need to get good high quality talent not more mediocre players.
 
JAXwithanX said:
But i guess this is understandable since you've got a fondness for playing Daddy apparently....
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No...I clicked on the thread thinking that there was a story about these 2 guys being in Houston.

Then it ends up that it's more trade speculation that some sportswriter invented.

Nothing wrong with trade speculation, but the title's misleading.
 
If we could get Plummer, Bell AND a 3rd rounder, would you do it?


Texans | Team would like third-round pick for Carr?
Sun, 18 Feb 2007 07:59:11 -0800

Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports the Houston Texans are hoping to attract a third-round draft pick in return for QB David Carr.
 
Nawzer said:
Memo to Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak: There are other teams in the NFL to make deals with. I know you have deep connections with the Broncos organization, but looking at the Broncos to solve all of our problems is ridiculous. I would not do that deal because Plummer may be cut and Tatum Bell is a good back but not worth giving up the no.8 pick. We need to get good high quality talent not more mediocre players.
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Bravo. Cred coming your way sir. New mantra....

NO MORE DENVER RETREADS!!!!!
 
SESupergenius said:
If we could get Plummer, Bell AND a 3rd rounder, would you do it?


Texans | Team would like third-round pick for Carr?
Sun, 18 Feb 2007 07:59:11 -0800

Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports the Houston Texans are hoping to attract a third-round draft pick in return for QB David Carr.
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Salary cap wise, it would make sense. But still, no. I'll take my chances on a guy like Brady Quinn or Alan Branch.
 
Navy_Chris said:
What!?!?!?!?!?!? No way should they do this. Plummer and Bell and some draft pick are in no way, shape or form worth our #8, much less #8 AND a player.

NO NO NO NO !!!!

Rick Smith must have been on the phone with Charley Casserly talkin about this one!
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I suspect this is just more Gen. McClain trying to play GM.
 
SESupergenius said:
If we could get Plummer, Bell AND a 3rd rounder, would you do it?
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Um, no. How about signing Plummer as a free agent after the Broncos release him? Give them zip in compensation, rather than the 8th pick in the draft. Let Denver keep Bell, who led the league in fumbles by RBs. I like that idea much better.
 
Lucky said:
Um, no. How about signing Plummer as a free agent after the Broncos release him? Give them zip in compensation, rather than the 8th pick in the draft. Let Denver keep Bell, who led the league in fumbles by RBs. I like that idea much better.
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Finally, a voice of reason. I'd honestly go with Chris Taylor. He deserves a shot. a REAL shot.
 
We should give them a Counter offer.

We'll give them David Carr & Samkon Gado for their 1st round pick.


See how the hell they like that.
 
Its going to be Plummer and Bell for the Texans 2nd round and 5th round picks.

Its sounding like a done deal, theyre just waiting for the March 1st period to open where players can be traded.

Denver wants compensation for Plummer and theyll get it.
 
vectorscg said:
Its going to be Plummer and Bell for the Texans 2nd round and 5th round picks.

Its sounding like a done deal, theyre just waiting for the March 1st period to open where players can be traded.

Denver wants compensation for Plummer and theyll get it.
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Sources?
 
vectorscg said:
Its going to be Plummer and Bell for the Texans 2nd round and 5th round picks.

Its sounding like a done deal, theyre just waiting for the March 1st period to open where players can be traded.

Denver wants compensation for Plummer and theyll get it.
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Sounds like a done deal according to who?
 
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NO NO NO NO NO

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Thats stupid!!!



edit: Phew...at least its not the number 1
 
I dont really like the sounds of that deal at all.... Look at the top 50 prospects coming out....at 8 we are going to get a STUD and at 40 we are going to get a really good player....Tatum Bell lost his job this year to a UDFA and fumbled a lot....I say wait until they cut Plummer and sign him for less dollars.....2nd round picks are huge...look at what we got last year in the 2nd....Imagine we could get a player of his calibre for the secondary....look at Richard Marshall last year....
 
I could see us taking Tatum and Plummer and swapping picks, but that’s as far as I'd go with it.

Tatum's numbers last year
___________________G__GS__AT__YRD__AVG__LONG__TD__20+__FL
2006 Denver Broncos_13__13__233_1025__4.4___51____2____7___5

Not spectacular, but solid numbers. The fumbles are a problem though. No other top back, except Frank Gore, had as many as 5 fumbles lost.

If the lowest we go is swapping picks, we could get a proven back who knows the system and still get the 21st pick to use on defense or a lineman.

Plummer is cut bait, so he really doesn't bring much to the table and could be left out of the trade all together.

A lot of folks seem to think that Adrian Peterson will be there at no. 8 but that is by no means a certain.
 
If this happens, I suspect you will see another round of fans jumping off the Texans ship. I can not believe that the front office with the success they had last year in the draft would give up a one or two picks on a second string RB and a Qb that will be cut if they don't find some sucker to trade for him.
 
I hope they arn't seriously considering this. What good is Plummer or Bell if our O-line isn't worth a damn. Two words-Levi Brown. Wasting the 8 spot for a shaky RB and a questionable QB that'll probably be released makes no sense. :twocents:
 
BSofA04 said:
I hope they arn't seriously considering this. What good is Plummer or Bell if our O-line isn't worth a damn. Two words-Levi Brown. Wasting the 8 spot for a shaky RB and a questionable QB that'll probably be released makes no sense. :twocents:
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I hear ya, almost sounds like Capers & crew are back. Remember Pbuc ?
 
TwinSisters said:
Taking Plummer out of the market early MIGHT increase Carr's trade value before the draft.
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this is definitely worth considering.......

BUt with Plummer on our team, others will think David will be cut before the season anyway, and just wait............ thereby diminishing his value.
 
vectorscg said:
Its going to be Plummer and Bell for the Texans 2nd round and 5th round picks.

Its sounding like a done deal, theyre just waiting for the March 1st period to open where players can be traded.

Denver wants compensation for Plummer and theyll get it.
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We need a source or at least share some insight on yourself, or your source, in this thread or via PM. We respect inside information, rumor and innuendo, but without knowing who you are (defined by your limited posts), or who your people are, we are obligated to delete this post sooner than later.

This is by no means a knock on you, just that we have a community of members that live this Texan experience year round and this type of statement needs to be sourced. :texflag:
 
It feels like we involve ourselves with trading partners from Denver and Green Bay because of this possibility: The two teams won't screw us over because Kubiak and Sherman can each "leverage" their former affiliation with those two teams.

In other words, we traded Morency for Gado because Sherman and the Green Bay FO decided it was a fairly comparable trade: Two players who might need a change of scenery.

You probably get more of an apples-to-apples trade when you work with the teams you used to be a part of...there's no way each side can do the other side "wrong" because you have the friendship, the relationship, etc., that goes beyond the normal day-to-day competitiveness atmosphere.

I mean, look at the way the Buchanon trade happened with us and Oakland. In the end, was that a fair deal at all? Trading with teams that you have no relationship with can be a dangerous thing, IMO.

The only way this proposed deal would happen, is if Kubiak and Smith felt that it is an apples-to-apples deal...Kubiak knows those players, and he knows what he can get at no. 8.

Tatum Bell had lots of toe/foot injuries and had Mike Bell came in and basically did the job fairly well, IMO. And while Tatum was having success when he was in there, it's the fact that he as always a week-to-week decision that concerns me.

I personally don't like this sort of deal. I think we need to stop the habit of bringing in "used" players, and we need to focus on building through the draft. Trading a no. 8, for me, is not worth the gamble.

We have the chance to have a spectacular draft that is following last year's spectacular draft. I think it'd be a major hiccup to short-circuit what's working really wel thus far.

If we put together another draft like we had last year, we'll have something special that's being built the right way. We'll have a head coach and support staff who are proving that they can draft in the same manner as N.E., Pittsburgh, and Indianapolis: All of those teams have FOs and coaching staffs and scouts who milk the draft for all its worth every year.

If we grade out at an "A" again, it will bode very very well for us, and it'll put an end to the days of overpaying the Todd Wades of the world.

Build through the draft. Please. (especially when you hold a Top 10 pick)
 
thunderkyss said:
this is definitely worth considering.......

BUt with Plummer on our team, others will think David will be cut before the season anyway, and just wait............ thereby diminishing his value.
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I don't know.

I think there are enough teams that could use Carr on a restrustructured deal.
( as in at least two )

Two teams that would be just as happy with Plummer really.

So it's not about whether or not he is going to be cut, it's about getting to him before the other team can. And that's where the value increase would come in.
 
A reporter from Denver is making up sh.. Kubes and Smity have connections in Denver, but they're not stupid.
 
Lucky said:
Um, no. How about signing Plummer as a free agent after the Broncos release him? Give them zip in compensation, rather than the 8th pick in the draft. Let Denver keep Bell, who led the league in fumbles by RBs. I like that idea much better.
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That's if we can get in Free Agency, but the likelyhood of that happening is pretty slim considering there are other teams that would want him would probably snatch him up first.

If we got rid of Carr and then couldn't get Plummer, we still have Sage Rosensels. That makes me feel oh so good inside.
 
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