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This is if he's there at 8.

Last year we were fed the fact that Mario was drafted to beat the Colts because to beat the Colts you had to get pressure on Manning (Steelers, Chargers of that year). Well this year it was proven with depth at a running game and having a power back and quick back (Jacksonville, Dallas, Tennessee) you can beat the Colts. So If we were to buy the fact that they drafted Mario to beat the Colts, then they better be drafting AP at 8.
 
That's a fair point. Having an elite RB who can chew up yardage and time, while making the occaisonal big play may be the ideal way to beat Manning. When he isn't on the field, he can't score points. Right now, AP is my number one choice if he falls, which is a possibility. Not sure that it is a high chance he falls, but there is a chance for sure.
 
If he does fall, yes, grab him.

He won't fall though... just dont see it happening.

That would make one competitive, yet crowded backfield:

Domanick Williams
Ron Dayne
Chris Taylor
Wali Lundy
Adrian Peterson


I just hope we don't reach for Leon Hall...we need a #2 CB....but this guy should be a 2nd round pick, this draft is just thin at corner back.
 
TexanRoadrunner said:
This is if he's there at 8.

Last year we were fed the fact that Mario was drafted to beat the Colts because to beat the Colts you had to get pressure on Manning (Steelers, Chargers of that year). Well this year it was proven with depth at a running game and having a power back and quick back (Jacksonville, Dallas, Tennessee) you can beat the Colts. So If we were to buy the fact that they drafted Mario to beat the Colts, then they better be drafting AP at 8.
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The Titans are up and coming as well. So what better way to keep Vince off the field with a time consuming smash mouth running offense??

But I doubt he falls.
 
It all depends on the Browns.
If Joe Thomas OT Wis. is still on the board when they pick then they have a tough decission to make. If they take Thomas at #3 then there is a very good chance that Peterson drops to us, unless there is a trade. All of the teams between us and the Browns have good RB's and are in the market for other positions.
 
Porky said:
That's a fair point. Having an elite RB who can chew up yardage and time, while making the occaisonal big play may be the ideal way to beat Manning. When he isn't on the field, he can't score points. Right now, AP is my number one choice if he falls, which is a possibility. Not sure that it is a high chance he falls, but there is a chance for sure.
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I dunno, but maybe we already have that player in the person of one Ron Dayne ?
In other words, who needs a stinking elite RB to kick Peyton's butt ? And in the words of one of our most prominent and prolific posters: "backs are a dime a dozen".
 
nunusguy said:
I dunno, but maybe we already have that player in the person of one Ron Dayne ?
In other words, who needs a stinking elite RB to kick Peyton's butt ? And in the words of one of our most prominent and prolific posters: "backs are a dime a dozen".
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Peterson has the big play speed that Dayne doesn't have. Peterson is more of a Marcus Allen type back (running style).
 
nunusguy said:
I dunno, but maybe we already have that player in the person of one Ron Dayne ?
In other words, who needs a stinking elite RB to kick Peyton's butt ? And in the words of one of our most prominent and prolific posters: "backs are a dime a dozen".
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Please tell me you aren't trying to compare Ron Dayne to Adrian Peterson. That's like comparing Ugly Betty to Eva Longoria.
 
Porky said:
Please tell me you aren't trying to compare Ron Dayne to Adrian Peterson. That's like comparing Ugly Betty to Eva Longoria.
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I'm just saying we don't need an elite back to beat the Colts (or beat anybody for that matter), because we beat them this year without one.
 
We will never beat them again unless we have 1)a better running game AND 2) a better secondary.

In the little time peyton had the ball, he threw all over us..2..3 touchdowns? The only lost by 3 and we were playing our best and their D just couldn't hold us. again though...with our current situation we will only beat them 1 out of every 10 times. with a better secondary and/or running game we will beat them a lot more. Plus we now have to worry about Tennessee a lot more.. they really are getting a lot better whether we will admit it or not.
 
TY Hottoddie. I've excepted the probablity. But not the potential for desaster. I'll go one broke leg over three season of almost getting to the finish line every time.
 
Vinny said:
Peterson has the big play speed that Dayne doesn't have. Peterson is more of a Marcus Allen type back (running style).
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That is who I've been comparing him to. I think he has the stride like him and I believe he can do alot from 1 yard out.
 
Porky said:
Please tell me you aren't trying to compare Ron Dayne to Adrian Peterson. That's like comparing Ugly Betty to Eva Longoria.
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wow, thats a low blow...but if Dayne's weight is right, he's a pretty fast guy, but still i would love for AP to drop to 8 and the Texans pick him up. Dayne's probably got a good 3yrs in him, so i say grab AP. It wont hurt the backfeild at all, i think it would be that much more dangerous. But say bye bye to Wli Lundy and Gado if it goes down. Then again, i still cant see Kubes drafting a rb 1st rd.
 
i just dont understand the reasoning behind not grabbing AP because we have all this RB "talent" already on the roster. if he falls to us, he will probably be the BPA, hence the reason to draft him.

BTW--just because Kubiak hasnt taken a RB in the first doesnt mean he is against doing it. i think the rumored trade up with Chicago last year proves as such. this offense needs a bellcow--i think AP can be that guy.
 
dirty steve said:
i just dont understand the reasoning behind not grabbing AP because we have all this RB "talent" already on the roster. if he falls to us, he will probably be the BPA, hence the reason to draft him.

BTW--just because Kubiak hasnt taken a RB in the first doesnt mean he is against doing it. i think the rumored trade up with Chicago last year proves as such. this offense needs a bellcow--i think AP can be that guy.
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Man I know what you mean...damn, we had DeAngelo Williams in our hands...but the problem with that is the fact that we wouldn't have Demeco Ryans (or Owen Daniels), because CHI wanted our 2nd round pick and our 4th....well, at the last minute, the Bills sweetened the pot and gave the Bears rd 2 and 3, and Chicago took that and ran, hence the McCargo pick.

Anyway...I could see Peterson being here if Cleveland takes Thomas or Quinn (Quinn is unlikely, but DET could pass on him and take Thomas, remember, the Lions surrendered 63 sacks this past season), so watch for the lions pick. Also watch for the Bucs/Browns coin flip.
 
nunusguy said:
I dunno, but maybe we already have that player in the person of one Ron Dayne ?
In other words, who needs a stinking elite RB to kick Peyton's butt ? And in the words of one of our most prominent and prolific posters: "backs are a dime a dozen".
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Are you serious?? Please get a clue on what you are saying!!! After his workout I really don't see him there at #8 unless the Texans move up somehow.:poker:
 
As much as I love AD to be on the Texans it is no big deal if he gets drafted ahead of us. We will still end up with Lynch which is not a bad consolation prize.

Maybe we can trade down a few spot and pick up Lynch.
 
DayneBum said:
wow, thats a low blow...but if Dayne's weight is right, he's a pretty fast guy, but still i would love for AP to drop to 8 and the Texans pick him up. Dayne's probably got a good 3yrs in him, so i say grab AP. It wont hurt the backfeild at all, i think it would be that much more dangerous. But say bye bye to Wli Lundy and Gado if it goes down. Then again, i still cant see Kubes drafting a rb 1st rd.
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Again, we were going to draft a RB with the #1 overall pick until two days before the draft and almost traded back up to the first round to draft DeAngelo Williams.
 
1.) Oak- Really need a RB but won't take him #1 overall (Russell, Quinn)
2.) Det- KJ is good but are 2nd biggest threat to take him
3.) TB- spent high 1st rounder two years ago no chance here
4.) Cle- Biggest threat...here's hoping Det goes with Joe Thomas so they take (russell, quinn)
5.) Ari- Edge just signed last year...plus their D is a bigger need
6.) Wash- CP and Betts are great 1,2 no threat here
7.) Min- Chester Taylor had a great season although he is replacable but their other skill positions are mugh more of a need...not much of a threat

So its either Det or Cle taking him before us...only another team trading up...and by the looks of it, the teams directly behind Houston all have established Rb's until the pack @ 16. I'd say there's a strong possibility he's there at 8.
 
TexanRoadrunner said:
1.) Oak- Really need a RB but won't take him #1 overall (Russell, Quinn)
2.) Det- KJ is good but are 2nd biggest threat to take him
3.) TB- spent high 1st rounder two years ago no chance here
4.) Cle- Biggest threat...here's hoping Det goes with Joe Thomas so they take (russell, quinn)
5.) Ari- Edge just signed last year...plus their D is a bigger need
6.) Wash- CP and Betts are great 1,2 no threat here
7.) Min- Chester Taylor had a great season although he is replacable but their other skill positions are mugh more of a need...not much of a threat

So its either Det or Cle taking him before us...only another team trading up...and by the looks of it, the teams directly behind Houston all have established Rb's until the pack @ 16. I'd say there's a strong possibility he's there at 8.
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They LOVE Chester Taylor up there...he is in solid. Outside of Cleveland, the biggest problem with Peterson falling to 8 is a trade up from a borderline playoff team that needs a hoss back.
 
does portis' status change any of this? does a team vinny described that might be interested in peterson decide to cast their lot with portis instead?
 
TexanRoadrunner said:
1.) Oak- Really need a RB but won't take him #1 overall (Russell, Quinn)
2.) Det- KJ is good but are 2nd biggest threat to take him
3.) TB- spent high 1st rounder two years ago no chance here
4.) Cle- Biggest threat...here's hoping Det goes with Joe Thomas so they take (russell, quinn)
5.) Ari- Edge just signed last year...plus their D is a bigger need
6.) Wash- CP and Betts are great 1,2 no threat here
7.) Min- Chester Taylor had a great season although he is replacable but their other skill positions are mugh more of a need...not much of a threat

So its either Det or Cle taking him before us...only another team trading up...and by the looks of it, the teams directly behind Houston all have established Rb's until the pack @ 16. I'd say there's a strong possibility he's there at 8.
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If Jamaal and Gaines are gone, I wouldn't mind trading back to #16 and picking up their 2nd to go with it. That gives you a chance for C Johnson, Moss and Timmons with the 1st and 2nd pick and a good OT or S with 2nd RD 2 pick.
 
Texian said:
If Jamaal and Gaines are gone, I wouldn't mind trading back to #16 and picking up their 2nd to go with it. That gives you a chance for C Johnson, Moss and Timmons with the 1st and 2nd pick and a good OT or S with 2nd RD 2 pick.
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No matter what happens, I console myself with he knowledge that come April 28th, Adrian Peterson, Jammal Anderson, Gaines Adams or a much need FS are going to be Texans. I think im split between DE and RB right now and would love to see either in the first round and hope for Merriweather in the second.


But I think im secretly rooting for AP :bowser:
 
dbspi said:
AD reminds me of Eric Dickerson
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Deuce Staley reminds me of John Riggins.

Eric Dickerson was a special talent, a guy who could run upright and make guys miss or bounce off. Little early to hang that comp on this kid.
 
run-david-run said:
No matter what happens, I console myself with he knowledge that come April 28th, Adrian Peterson, Jammal Anderson, Gaines Adams or a much need FS are going to be Texans. I think im split between DE and RB right now and would love to see either in the first round and hope for Merriweather in the second.


But I think im secretly rooting for AP :bowser:
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me too--although any of those other players would certainly help, AP is the $$$ pick. IMO, the one likely to have the most immediate impact.
 
dirty steve said:
does portis' status change any of this? does a team vinny described that might be interested in peterson decide to cast their lot with portis instead?
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Portis is a Redskin now and will be a Redskin next year unless someone really offers up a huge deal for him, likely one bigger than what it would take to move up for Peterson. I don't see Portis going anywhere.

That said, someone could move up to grab Adrian Peterson, but if you look at the teams immediately behind us in the draft I don't know how many of them would really be looking for a top-end RB either or willing to pay the price to get him:

Miami at #9 has Ronnie Brown earning big money and playing pretty well, and will have Ricky Williams back next year if they decide to keep him.
Atlanta is at #10, and although Warrick Dunn is starting to get old, they still have Vick and Jerious Norwood so Dunn doesn't have to run the ball too much and I don't think they'd really move up for Peterson, especially at the cost it would take to move up 3-4 spots. At #10 they can grab Reggie Nelson or LaRon Landry and help out their defense a lot.
At #11 the 49ers just had Frank Gore put up a huge season and isn't getting paid a ton of money yet, so they aren't going to spend a bunch of picks to move up for another RB.
At #12 you have Buffalo, if they decide that Willis McGahee is done there then they could possibly look to move him and trade up to grab Peterson, or they could stay where they're at and grab Marshawn Lynch, but all of this is assuming that they give up on McGahee.
Then at #13 you have St. Louis (Steven Jackson), at #14 you have Carolina (Deshaun Foster and DeAngelo Williams), at #15 you have Pittsburgh (Willie Parker), and finally at #16 you have Green Bay, who are definitely going to be looking for a RB, but to move up from #16 to #7 or higher they'd likely have to give up at least a future 1st round pick, which seems like a steep price for them, especially since Lynch could fall to #16 or at least end up a lot closer to their current pick than Peterson will. The way it looks, if Peterson gets past Cleveland then I think he's ours.
 
Well, you all did it.. you made me laugh.

You talk to me about how much need we have a RB even though we already have decent backs at RB along with DD/DW coming back. That didnt convince you. Then i talked about Kub trait of Denver where they dont believe in taking a RB in the first round. You discounted that as well. I, also, tried to convince you that he wont make to us anyways... and you still wear visors.

Folks.. You are setting yourselves up for disappointment AGAIN. We are not getting Peterson. You are trying to tell me that we will discount every other need that we have for Peterson, but other teams wont discount thier needed positions. They will draft not BPA, but on need only until he falls to us. Then Kub will go against his philosphey of the past and go with him with a stocked RB backfield when we have Major need in other positions.

I really not trying to be a booboo head here.. but you all really need to think about this seriously and understand it aint going to happen. I have NEVER played the Sig game, but I will put my Sig on the line because I am that confident it wont happen.
 
Dime said:
Well, you all did it.. you made me laugh.

You talk to me about how much need we have a RB even though we already have decent backs at RB along with DD/DW coming back. That didnt convince you. Then i talked about Kub trait of Denver where they dont believe in taking a RB in the first round. You discounted that as well. I, also, tried to convince you that he wont make to us anyways... and you still wear visors.

Folks.. You are setting yourselves up for disappointment AGAIN. We are not getting Peterson. You are trying to tell me that we will discount every other need that we have for Peterson, but other teams wont discount thier needed positions. They will draft not BPA, but on need only until he falls to us. Then Kub will go against his philosphey of the past and go with him with a stocked RB backfield when we have Major need in other positions.

I really not trying to be a booboo head here.. but you all really need to think about this seriously and understand it aint going to happen. I have NEVER played the Sig game, but I will put my Sig on the line because I am that confident it wont happen.
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i wont set myself up for dissapointment. Can't we all at least hope for the best? If the texans dont have a chance to get him..i wont really mind,but if we pass up an available ap, i will be really pissed.
 
disturbedtexansfan513 said:
i wont set myself up for dissapointment. Can't we all at least hope for the best? If the texans dont have a chance to get him..i wont really mind,but if we pass up an available ap, i will be really pissed.
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and this was said when we passed on Bush, Derrick Johnson, Sean Taylor, and on and on. Its is going to happen... but I honestly dont see he falling that far, so its a mute point.
 
MorKnolle said:
finally at #16 you have Green Bay, who are definitely going to be looking for a RB, but to move up from #16 to #7 or higher they'd likely have to give up at least a future 1st round pick, which seems like a steep price for them, especially since Lynch could fall to #16 or at least end up a lot closer to their current pick than Peterson will. The way it looks, if Peterson gets past Cleveland then I think he's ours.
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According to NFL Trade Value Chart #7 = 1500 pts and #16 = 1000 pts, a difference of 500 pts. Packers 2nd RD pick #47 = 430 pts. Packers would also need to include a 4th RD pick (approx 70 pts) to make the deal.

Packers get #7
Vikes get #16 and the Packers 2nd & 4th RD picks or Packers 08 1st RD..

I would say no, unless Packers have several picks in the 2nd or 3rd or 4th RDS.
 
I think the front office now knows that they passed on the sexy picks last year in bush and young. I feel they will try to make it up with an AP pick.
 
Texizgreat said:
I think the front office now knows that they passed on the sexy picks last year in bush and young. I feel they will try to make it up with an AP pick.
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I have to disagree that FO will be making picks based on sexiness. I hope they select the player who they feel can contribute and have the most impact with the team.

For instance in analyzing AP contribution to the team, the Texans rushed an average of 26.9 times a game for a total of 431 rushes for an average of 3.9 ypc and 1687 yds last year.

With the addition of a healthy AP playing 16 full games a yr and putting the ball in AP's hands 20 times a game, 320 times a year and using the productivity of the last years Oline play, projecting an aggressive 4.2 ypc for AP is 84 yds per game/1344 yds per yr.

Based on last years numbers, the other backs would get 7 rushing attemps per game or 111 yds a yr at 3.9 ypc is 28 yds per game/433 yds per year. AP's 1344 total yds and the other backs 433 yds comes to 1777 yds per yr.

AP would have given you 5 or 6 yds more per game or 90 additional yds for the year.

Now if you going to say the Oline will be better, which I hope it is, it will also be better for the other backs. If you going to say AP will get better ypc than 4.2, keep in mind that Larry Johnson, Steven Jackson, Deuce McCallister and Tatum Bell all avg 4.4 yds per carry. If you to project 4.8 ypc for AP, thats 1536 yds per year or additional 282 yds to last years total or 17-18 ypg.

I don't know if I call that sexy and can understand why Kubiak shys away from RBs in the 1st RD. Now if the FO finds a premier pass rushing DE who combined with Mario will limit opposing QB 3 seconds or less to pass, the DE would be a better contribution and impact for the team.
 
Good post Texian, but AP makes play action relative for the first time in our offense. Outside of that, the oline cannot keep Carr clean and he struggles against the cover 2.
 
History is about to repeat itself for houston football. oilers drafted Earl Campbell and soon we will get something of that calibur. AP is not as great as Campbell, but he does have some qualities. I watched some of his highlights and i am sold on him. I would love to have this guy on our team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmFM8MepDjE
 
SamuraiSword said:
History is about to repeat itself for houston football. oilers drafted Earl Campbell and soon we will get something of that calibur. AP is not as great as Campbell, but he does have some qualities. I watched some of his highlights and i am sold on him. I would love to have this guy on our team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmFM8MepDjE
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Is it me or did he have running lanes you could drive a mac truck through? Dont get me wrong its a great highlight reel but the man has some VERY good blocking in front of him.
 
yourfavoritetexan42 said:
If he does fall, yes, grab him.

He won't fall though... just dont see it happening.

That would make one competitive, yet crowded backfield:

Domanick Williams
Ron Dayne
Chris Taylor
Wali Lundy
Adrian Peterson


I just hope we don't reach for Leon Hall...we need a #2 CB....but this guy should be a 2nd round pick, this draft is just thin at corner back.
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Maybe we could use Taylor or Lundy or both in combination with another player or picks to help bolster another position we need upgrades in...workload wont be too bad for Petterson if Williams comes back and gets some carries and Dayne gets short yardage carries so I don't think injuries will be bad
 
If DW comes back and shows any semblance of being back to his old self, he will make great trade bait. Bottomline is that if we draft AP and we get Williams back that is more money than we would plan to have tied up in the RB position.
 
tulexan said:
Again, we were going to draft a RB with the #1 overall pick until two days before the draft and almost traded back up to the first round to draft DeAngelo Williams.
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And again, it didnt happened. Why take D'angelo, when u could've had Reggie B...i think they were really banking on Dom Williams to be back last year.
 
DayneBum said:
And again, it didnt happened. Why take D'angelo, when u could've had Reggie B...i think they were really banking on Dom Williams to be back last year.
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Because DeAngelo Williams didn't have any looming law suits and scandals and didn't have a difficult agent.
 
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