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Would you rather have Vick?

Not no, but Heck no! We can't throw the ball as it is! What's he getting paid? 100 million for ten years or something like that. Yeah, that's what I want...oh, nevermind
 
This is about as Hypathical as you can get,
no way does ATl trade Vick for Carr!! :tease:

But I would take if they were offferin st8 up
 
I think I would do it. We need some excitement and Vick has done alot with the very little he had.

It won't happen though.
 
I can't remember exactly where I heard it.....But supposedly the Falcons are going to start using some packages where Vick is at running back and Schaub is at running back...Right now Dunn, and Norwood are hurt and Griffin(the FB) is the only back.....I would actually like to see this....
 
ryansisgod said:
if the falcons decide to trade Vick, Would you all agree to trade Carr for him. Yes or No? Make your cases.
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No way this scenario plays out. But if we really got the chance, McNair would
jump all over it because its one way he could really sell tickets this offseason.
 
I would do it. Just let whoever plays QB next year hand off to him. (he could be our poor man's Reggie Bush).:shades:
 
brewhaus said:
I don't think we want a QB that sells T-shirts like this do we?




http://www.ronmexico.com/

:embarrass
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The only thing we are missing now is the T-shirt. Principle is the same, an organization who has a number 1 draft pick QB, in what should be in the prime the QBs career is still hoping that the Qb develops or improves or has not had the proper things around him, etc. Five and six years into these guys careers expecting them to all of a sudden develop new habits is folly IMO.

At least Vick is an exciting player with all of his flaws. Carr is pretty generic.
 
Like I said before, if we got Vick for Carr, then who would we get to be the QB?

That would solve our RB problem but wouldn't help us in the passing department...
 
This is cracking me up. I'm well established on the record as not a Vick fan but you make that trade in a heartbeat. Dude is a below average passer and a fantastic RB, i.e. at least he is fantastic at something.
 
Vick at running back is a possibility Saturday night
By STEVE WYCHE
Cox News Service
Thursday, December 14, 2006
FLOWERY BRANCH, Ga. - A scenario of using Michael Vick at running back and Matt Schaub at quarterback was discussed Wednesday if injured Atlanta Falcons tailbacks Warrick Dunn and Jerious Norwood are not healthy enough to play against Dallas on Saturday.

Vick, the Falcons Pro Bowl starting quarterback, and coach Jim Mora did not dismiss the possibility of Vick and his backup Schaub playing in the same backfield when questioned by the media. They did try to clarify Vick's role against the Cowboys and beyond.
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http://www.dailyadvance.com/pro/content/shared/sports/stories/2006/12/FBN_FALCONS_1214_COX.html
 
Kinda funny how everyone is on Vick's case the past few sesons and he is up for trade bait rummers.

If I recall correctly all the things they are saying about VY right now were all said about Vick when he came out

Was gonna revolutionize the game and the position. Was gonna bring multiple superbowls to the Falcons.

Blah, Blah, Blah Defense adjust, Coordinators adjust.

Get a good passing QB in here, shore up the line and we will do alright.

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Michael Vick > David Carr

Why is this even being debated? Vick is better than Carr in every aspect.

Throwing Ability = Advantage Vick
Running Ability = Advantage Vick
Intangibles (leadership, desire to win, etc.) = Advantage Vick
Entertainment Value = Advantage Vick
QB Intellect = Advantage Vick
Production to-date = Advantage Vick

The only advantage Carr has over Vick is a smaller contract but at least Vick's contract is somewhat close to his value...unlike Carr's 'Matt Maloney Style' contract
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Throwing Ability = Advantage Vick
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Surely you jest. Since Vick's junior year he has done nothing as a passer and has dinked and dunked or misthrown passes downfield to his WR's. Crumpler has been his crutch or it would look truly horrendous. Advantage Carr.

Running Ability = Advantage Vick
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Absolutely.

Intangibles (leadership, desire to win, etc.) = Advantage Vick
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I don't see much team building leadership with Vick as with VY, but I'll give Advantage Vick on individual determination to win.

Entertainment Value = Advantage Vick
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Absolutely

QB Intellect = Advantage Vick
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Gonna have to go draw here. Coaches have been working with Vick for 6 years now to make him a decent passer, 5 for Carr--neither has gotten anywhere near their "potential."

Production to-date = Advantage Vick
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Sure, why not--he has the W's and he has the team.

To the original question--you trade Vick for Carr in a heart beat--doesn't mean Vick is an elite QB.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
The only thing we are missing now is the T-shirt. Principle is the same, an organization who has a number 1 draft pick QB, in what should be in the prime the QBs career is still hoping that the Qb develops or improves or has not had the proper things around him, etc. Five and six years into these guys careers expecting them to all of a sudden develop new habits is folly IMO.

At least Vick is an exciting player with all of his flaws. Carr is pretty generic.
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I may be wrong, but I think that is Kubiak's play calling that makes Carr boring. I hope they open it up the rest of the year.
 
No.. everyone already complains about Carrs fumble problems... Theres been 3 or 4 times this year where Vick wasn't touched and the ball came out of his hands.
 
dantem said:
I may be wrong, but I think that is Kubiak's play calling that makes Carr boring. I hope they open it up the rest of the year.
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It is decidedly both. The O has been knocked down to 3 and 5 step drops (and short routes) because of protection problems and at the same time there are some longer patterns called that Kubiak has clearly said Carr is missing. It isn't necessarily one or the other--it is both.
 
Vinny said:
No way the Falcons would take Carr for Vick straight up...they aren't fools. The only people who would do this are some of the Carr-only fans here.
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Exactly--this is goofy. I don't even like Vick as a QB much and would take that trade in a heart beat.
 
This is pure fantasy. A trade would accelerate their cap hit into one year (two at most). No way can they trade Mr. Mexico
 
dantem said:
I may be wrong, but I think that is Kubiak's play calling that makes Carr boring. I hope they open it up the rest of the year.
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No, I thought that Carr was boring pre-Kubiak. Nothing is his persona excites me. He is one of those people who does and says the right things, but in some sense that is the problem.
 
I'd say yes in a heartbeat. I don't think that vick is a great QB by any means, but I guess I am so sick and tired of Carr, that any change will at least give me a reason to turn on the game next year.


But it would never happen in a million years. Mike Vick actually has a mind and opinion of his own and would interfere with McNairs.
 
As much as I want Carr gone, and as much as I like Vick I don't make this trade...

I don't like the idea of trading one iffy guy for another....I think Vick is better than Carr, but I just don't like that trade....
 
nunusguy said:
No way this scenario plays out. But if we really got the chance, McNair would
jump all over it because its one way he could really sell tickets this offseason.
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he hasnt seemed to concerned with getting players that will sell tickets so far.
 
'Ol Ron Mexico is PO'd.... He is upset that the Falcons talked about playing Schaub and using Ron Mexico as a running back.
 
I'd rather have anyone...I'd trade Carr for a 4th or 5th rounder. Dude sucks so bad we probably won't be able to get anything for him.
 
I was watching the tail end of the Atlanta game on TV Sunday, and the announcers were characterizing Vick as a player who "needs a change of scenery" and would benefit from trade to a different team. I have heard many people here in Houston characterizing David Carr this same way over the last few weeks. Both of them have talent, but neither have consistently led their team to victory.

One of the announcers of the Atlanta game stated that Vick was some what of a cancer to the Atlanta team, and he did not expect Vick to succeed anywhere. I suspect there may be a few Texans fans who do not believe Carr can be a successful QB, regardless of were he might play.

Personally, I am one of those who believes Carr is a good QB who has been treated unfairly by many Houston fans and the media. He does not appear to be the leader that Vince Young is, and we may very well come to regret not having chosen Vince Young in the years to come. However, I think it might be more difficult than many think to find a QB who is clearly better than Carr.

So, back to the question. If an even-up trade between Michael Vick and David Carr was on the table, should we make the trade?
 
You guys are not answering the question. I do not expect it to happen either. I expect we will stay with Carr. In any case, I was asking if you thought it would be a good trade for us, if we had the opportunity.
 
I'd do it in a heartbeat. But, Since Vick isn't a perfect little angel I don't see McNair going for it.
 
MojoMan said:
I was watching the tail end of the Atlanta game on TV Sunday, and the announcers were characterizing Vick as a player who "needs a change of scenery" and would benefit from trade to a different team. I have heard many people here in Houston characterizing David Carr this same way over the last few weeks. Both of them have talent, but neither have consistently led their team to victory.

One of the announcers of the Atlanta game stated that Vick was some what of a cancer to the Atlanta team, and he did not expect Vick to succeed anywhere. I suspect there may be a few Texans fans who do not believe Carr can be a successful QB, regardless of were he might play.

Personally, I am one of those who believes Carr is a good QB who has been treated unfairly by many Houston fans and the media. He does not appear to be the leader that Vince Young is, and we may very well come to regret not having chosen Vince Young in the years to come. However, I think it might be more difficult than many think to find a QB who is clearly better than Carr.

So, back to the question. If an even-up trade between Michael Vick and David Carr was on the table, should we make the trade?
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Not being sarcastice here, but has Michael Vick done anything that would convince you that he could fit in a West Coast style offense? He needs to be in a spread type formation.
 
No way Atlanta makes that trade. Vick isn't great, but he's on a much higher level than Carr and worth a lot more in trade. Schaub is a much better QB than Carr also, so there's no reason to trade Vick for a backup. I think the most we can hope for is a mid to late round pick at this point.
 
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