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Big Ben

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6 TD and 11 INT on the year. He's got a great line, tons of weapons (Ward, Miller, Holmes, Parker) a great staff and Batch has been perfect in his absence. With all the stuff he's gone through, motorcycle, weight loss, appendix, and now concussion I think he needs 2 or 3 weeks off to sit on the bench, get back into the weight room and try to get some of that weight back on and just get a clean slate. Pittsburgh can win without him, but he's clearly the guy long term. He needs a little R&R time, IMO. Otherwise, he might just descend into a downward spiral of questionable decisions, shaky confidence, and injuries. It would be a shame.
 
Didn't see the game, but I assume the pick 6's were some horrible decisions... at least the 100-yarder.

I get the fact that he's a gamer and "lives on the edge"... but Cowher needs to do what's right for his franchise QB in the long term. To me, that seems like a nice little chat, assuring him that under no circumstance will he lose the job, but that he won't be playing for a few weeks to get back in shape and to get healthy. He was horrible all season... then had a good 3 quarters and was getting in a groove when he had his concussion... and now he seems as clueless as he was earlier.
 
he's a great QB. having a bad year, on and off the field. he's too damn cocky for his own good, though.
 
My wife is from the Pittsburgh area, and of course a gigantic Steelers fan. How we've not divorced over this is beyond me, but we seem to somehow get through this aspect of our relationship :) We even went as far as to place a wager on the Pittsburgh/Texans game, and the winner would become a fan of the others team. She lost, but welched on her wager. Her disease is incurable so I have learned to overlook this fault in her. Anyway, I told her and I believe it has merit that Ben's problems are not lack of skill, but overconfidence on his part. He's been so successful his first two years in the league, he believes he can throw any pass and get away with it. Forcing the ball into coverage is a surefire way to interceptions. She seems to think his injuries are the issue, so once again we're at a stalemate. As an avid Oilers fan since the late 60's, I must state emphatically that the Steelers will always be the enemy for me. And please, don't suggest marriage counseling, unless you know a good one that can cure her illness <grin>
 
kastofsna said:
he's a great QB. having a bad year, on and off the field. he's too damn cocky for his own good, though.
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I don't think he's a great QB, but I think he is a good one. He's not on the Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady level, but he's only a rung or two below. Everything that's happened off the field for him has to have had some type effect though. Sucks for the Steelers right now. They were the Super Bowl champs last year and as of right now are in the running for the top pick in the draft. Who would have thought they'd have the same record as the Titans, Texans, and the Raiders?
 
My opinion is that he is overrated and was just on a great team benefitting from their success and all their work they have put in while he was still in college. They had a great defense, a hall of fame back, a plethora of great WRs. A good young running back. The longest tenured coach with the same team. A great homefield and homefield advantage.

Are roethlisberger and bradshaw related?


I believe he is a decent qb...but I can name 10 other nfl qbs id rather above him, and maybe even more than 10.
 
Well he almost got killed in a horrific motorcycle accident and then had his appendix removed.

I didn't know he had a concussion recently as well.

I think this is a physical thing. He rushed his recovery, I'm sure the team was all for him coming back and well now he's not doing well. Although I have a close friend who said the Steelers really miss the Bus. He was a great leader on the field and a terrific player.
 
I saw him play through college and now as a pro. He was good in college because of his accuracy. All through his nfl career he has had terrible accuracy. Half of his big plays are dump offs or long passes the receivers make plays on. He does not make very good decisions, and to be honest I think a lot of the great plays he has made the past two seasons were lucky.
 
Cincinnatikid said:
. He does not make very good decisions, and to be honest I think a lot of the great plays he has made the past two seasons were lucky.
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I don't think you can luck your way into a superbowl...

I haven't watched him a lot but what I like about Ben, and what I think makes him good, is his pocket presence....He has excellent pocket presence and when he does feel pressure he does a good job of escaping and either making plays with his feet or finding the open reciever....I don't know about how accurate he is, but it's not like he's throwing the ball terrible...I think he's a second tier guy behind the Brady's, Mannings, and McNabb's of the world....
 
FirstTexansFan said:
Anyway, I told her and I believe it has merit that Ben's problems are not lack of skill, but overconfidence on his part. He's been so successful his first two years in the league, he believes he can throw any pass and get away with it. Forcing the ball into coverage is a surefire way to interceptions. She seems to think his injuries are the issue, so once again we're at a stalemate. As an avid Oilers fan since the late 60's, I must state emphatically that the Steelers will always be the enemy for me. And please, don't suggest marriage counseling, unless you know a good one that can cure her illness <grin>
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I think you are both right. He is a little cocky and tries to force it, and his injuries are effecting his physical skills that allowed him to get away with stuff in the past.:twocents:
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't think you can luck your way into a superbowl...

I haven't watched him a lot but what I like about Ben, and what I think makes him good, is his pocket presence....He has excellent pocket presence and when he does feel pressure he does a good job of escaping and either making plays with his feet or finding the open reciever....I don't know about how accurate he is, but it's not like he's throwing the ball terrible...I think he's a second tier guy behind the Brady's, Mannings, and McNabb's of the world....
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he hadthe best QB rating in the league last year after contact and when scrambling out of the pocket.
 
kastofsna said:
obviously that must be what i'm saying because i said something about ben roethlisberger.
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Alright smartie pants, you know what I meant. If you don't, I don't really care.

So here it goes again. According to you....

Ben Roethlisberger = Great QB = High QB Rating

So therefore this must be true....

High QB Rating = Great QB = David Carr

Big Ben plays for an awesome team and he makes big mistakes. He is not a "Great" QB, by a longshot. That doesn't mean he won't be a Great QB in the future, it just means he sucks right now, IMO.

Please answer my question intelligently so that I may avoid formulating a stereotype of Fins fans.
 
i'd love to answer intelligently but your thinking is so concrete it makes it hard for me. i was simply replying to xtru's comment that roethlisberger is very good at throwing under pressure, as his QB rating in those situations reflected. you drew a lot of conclusions from one statement.
 
kastofsna said:
i'd love to answer intelligently but your thinking is so concrete it makes it hard for me. i was simply replying to xtru's comment that roethlisberger is very good at throwing under pressure, as his QB rating in those situations reflected. you drew a lot of conclusions from one statement.
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I was thinking the exact same thing....
 
Big Ben is a solid QB. Last year opposing teams had to reaspect the run with FAST WILLIE PARKER picking up the big dashes and the flashy yards and THE BUS picking up 3rd and short and the important goal line yards. Without Bus, it is harder for the Steelers to convert on 3r and short. In the past they could simply ahnd it off to him and watch him pound in for a couple tough yards. Parker is a flashy speedy back and on 3rd and short its much harder for a quick back to get those yards.

Big Ben also has had several issues this offseason. I would storngly consider letting him sit a couple weeks and get back to it. In the offseason if I were Pit, I would look for a brusing back in the draft or in FA.
 
yardage is overrated when you're throwing the ball over 50 times. see: harrington's 400 yard game with 60+ attempts 2 weeks ago.
 
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