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2024 Free Agency

zshawn10 said:
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I don‘t get it. So this is essentially a 4 year 35 million dollar deal with 18 million dollar guaranteed that we gave up a 7th rounder for? Why?

Let‘s put aside my problems with his past right now. He is still a 27 year old running back that was the work horse for his old team - his old team was on the verge of cutting him. Now I do believe he has something left in his tank, but I don‘t feel comfortable at all to give him a long term contract. Workhorse RBs switching teams rarely work out.

And we could have just kept his contract - have him for one year at 6 million and make him earn his next contract. Worst case? He leaves in next years FA because another team offers him more than we do. We are already prepared to offer him 9 million a year now without having seen him. I think the chances of someone offering him more than that are slim - and if that happens I would still like our chances after rejuvenating his career.

The only reason I can think of for this is, to make him feel welcome and show him, that we believe in him. But I would 100% prefer the cap flexibility and having him in a contract year.
 
LikeMike said:
I don‘t get it. So this is essentially a 4 year 35 million dollar deal with 18 million dollar guaranteed that we gave up a 7th rounder for? Why?

Let‘s put aside my problems with his past right now. He is still a 27 year old running back that was the work horse for his old team - his old team was on the verge of cutting him. Now I do believe he has something left in his tank, but I don‘t feel comfortable at all to give him a long term contract. Workhorse RBs switching teams rarely work out.

And we could have just kept his contract - have him for one year at 6 million and make him earn his next contract. Worst case? He leaves in next years FA because another team offers him more than we do. We are already prepared to offer him 9 million a year now without having seen him. I think the chances of someone offering him more than that are slim - and if that happens I would still like our chances after rejuvenating his career.

The only reason I can think of for this is, to make him feel welcome and show him, that we believe in him. But I would 100% prefer the cap flexibility and having him in a contract year.
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Looks like we can still move on after 2 years if we so choose. Depending how it’s structured, of course, but looks like that bulk of those guaranteed $ are done by 2 years’ time, which gives us chance to find something better through the draft (and develop for a year or 2 also).

I’ve a strong feeling he’s a slight upgrade on what we had, the chatter is he’s a great fit for our scheme, so hopefully will look better here than he has before.
 
welsh texan said:
Looks like we can still move on after 2 years if we so choose. Depending how it’s structured, of course, but looks like that bulk of those guaranteed $ are done by 2 years’ time, which gives us chance to find something better through the draft (and develop for a year or 2 also).

I’ve a strong feeling he’s a slight upgrade on what we had, the chatter is he’s a great fit for our scheme, so hopefully will look better here than he has before.
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He does fit the scheme...good vision and patience w/ above average burst and speed not to mention decent hands...just not going to break tackles and needs those lanes opened for him to run through
 
Here is my wish list of the remaining FA:

safeties:
Simmons, Blackmon, Jordan Fuller (whoever we can get in the 6-9 million per year range)

CB:
Nelson (I would really like to get him back - him not signing anywhere yet gives me hope, that he might come back cheap)

OT:
Jones, Nijman (after losing Fant we need another swing tackle)

If we can somehow sign Simmons, Nelson and Jones I would rest easy going into the draft. I would really like to get one of these safeties since I think there is a lot of value for the money here (especially after seeing Curls contract). And I would rather not having to rely on a rookie as our swing tackle…

Then draft the best DT, CB, WR with our first and second pick.
 
Porky said:
So the team that attempted to trade for Aric knows something bad about him and they didnt want him. Now the excuse-o-meter is now permanently broken.
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No excuse but I am not screaming fire at every non signing or signing.

I think nick and cap deserve a little trust after the job they have done so far.

We still have a ways to go before start of the season. I am not panicking
 
dalemurphy said:
I think that adding a dynamic WR will do more for Stroud's health than upgrading a position on the OL. I certainly want better OL play. However, it was evident to me throughout the season that in games vs. good secondaries and/or in games when Nico, Tank, or Noah were out/hobbled. In those games, Stroud was forced to hold the ball because receivers couldn't separate.
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The Texans have two top of the line dynamic receivers in Collins and Dell. Most of those good secondary's had good to very good front seven's disrupting the pocket in a manner that reduced the receivers separation time. Get the Texans OL healthy and improved.....NFL secondary's will have nightmares trying to shut down both Collins and Dell. Toss in a functional run game and it gets even better.
 
welsh texan said:
Both Scruggs and Patterson showed enough in what they played last season that whoever wins the C position is worthy of the time to develop. If they don’t work out you move but you have to give time to develop there. At LG whichever of those doesn’t win at C goes into a battle with the 2 Green’s to win that job and, again, whoever wins that camp battle has shown enough to be given the space to develop.

At RT I think there is a case for drafting the right prospect at 23 depending on who is available and at what position. With Howard’s situation you have the potential to split time the way Duane Brown did in his rookie season and that worked out well. Is there a great prospect available who can do a year at right tackle and be an option to kick over to LT and give us the option to move on from Tunsil’s contract without trusting a rookie a year or 2 in the future? That would be an ideal scenario.
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So far....Tyler Guyton (OK) has that potential b/c of his athleticism, size and strength. I'm really hoping he's still on the board at 23.
 
LikeMike said:
I don‘t get it. So this is essentially a 4 year 35 million dollar deal with 18 million dollar guaranteed that we gave up a 7th rounder for? Why?

Let‘s put aside my problems with his past right now. He is still a 27 year old running back that was the work horse for his old team - his old team was on the verge of cutting him. Now I do believe he has something left in his tank, but I don‘t feel comfortable at all to give him a long term contract. Workhorse RBs switching teams rarely work out.

And we could have just kept his contract - have him for one year at 6 million and make him earn his next contract. Worst case? He leaves in next years FA because another team offers him more than we do. We are already prepared to offer him 9 million a year now without having seen him. I think the chances of someone offering him more than that are slim - and if that happens I would still like our chances after rejuvenating his career.

The only reason I can think of for this is, to make him feel welcome and show him, that we believe in him. But I would 100% prefer the cap flexibility and having him in a contract year.
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The Texans had to address the RB room, change the culture add stability and upgrade talent. We can expect a monumental change with Texans RB output and emphasis on running game in 2014 & beyond. Would expect them to also invest more via draft and bring in hammer/bodyguard as high as the 2nd rd to grab best RB in class who fits role, someone in style of Derrick Henry, like Wisconsin, RB Braelon Allen 6-2 245 just scratching the surface of potential, still only 20 years old, with Mixon has mentor. There is your hidden value and possible answer to your question.

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TheRealJoker said:
I would not use Settle as a direct comparison to Collins. He is getting 2 years/7 million. He’s a depth signing. If he’s an upgrade over Hinish, that’s what they are looking for there.

Autry is the direct comparison to Collins/Rankins and he’s played better than both. And cheaper than Rankins.

They still need the starting DT to replace Collins. Unless they are planning on Foley to be that guy but I think he’s another DT3 type.
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Hail....draft Sweat (TX) and call it a day. He's going to be what folks wish for at DT and he'll be on a rookie contract for (4) years. He'll have enough veterans on the DL to make it easy for him to shine and be productive.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
The Texans have two top of the line dynamic receivers in Collins and Dell. Most of those good secondary's had good to very good front seven's disrupting the pocket in a manner that reduced the receivers separation time. Get the Texans OL healthy and improved.....NFL secondary's will have nightmares trying to shut down both Collins and Dell. Toss in a functional run game and it gets even better.
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We lack team speed on offense. They have to address it. I believe they full intend to do so early in the draft.
 
LikeMike said:
I don‘t get it. So this is essentially a 4 year 35 million dollar deal with 18 million dollar guaranteed that we gave up a 7th rounder for? Why?

Let‘s put aside my problems with his past right now. He is still a 27 year old running back that was the work horse for his old team - his old team was on the verge of cutting him. Now I do believe he has something left in his tank, but I don‘t feel comfortable at all to give him a long term contract. Workhorse RBs switching teams rarely work out.

And we could have just kept his contract - have him for one year at 6 million and make him earn his next contract. Worst case? He leaves in next years FA because another team offers him more than we do. We are already prepared to offer him 9 million a year now without having seen him. I think the chances of someone offering him more than that are slim - and if that happens I would still like our chances after rejuvenating his career.

The only reason I can think of for this is, to make him feel welcome and show him, that we believe in him. But I would 100% prefer the cap flexibility and having him in a contract year.
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This was a two reason extension. First reason and primary reason was for Texans to manipulate the cap. By giving him a 3 year extension with 13 million guaranteed we basically turned this into a 3 year contract for 19 million (6 he was owed from last deal). That is 6.5 per year for year 4 of last contract and year 1 and 2 of the new contract. He will not see year 3 of the extension (4 seasons from now) when he is owed 8+ million unless we restructure him or extend him again.

This allows the Texans to stretch the 13 million over 3 future seasons and it takes his cap hit from 6 million this year to 1–1.5 million (P5 base salary) instead - freeing up another 5 million for accounting.

This was the primary reason for the extension.

The second reason is obviously the Texans are higher on him than Singletary and wanted him here at minimum 2 years and likely 3 years while Stroud is on his rookie deal. This was a good faith deal to give Mixon some security while also a good faith deal in giving Stroud some security (pass blocking, check down, bell cow carry capable) halfback during his breaking in period to the league.

Savvy work by Nick and co.
 
welsh texan said:
Looks like we can still move on after 2 years if we so choose. Depending how it’s structured, of course, but looks like that bulk of those guaranteed $ are done by 2 years’ time, which gives us chance to find something better through the draft (and develop for a year or 2 also).

I’ve a strong feeling he’s a slight upgrade on what we had, the chatter is he’s a great fit for our scheme, so hopefully will look better here than he has before.
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He’s a big upgrade on what we had. A true 3 down bell cow. He’s not elite in any one category, but he’s big, strong, shifty enough, has plus ability in the pass game, durable, and has a nose for the end zone. He’s likely our best RB since Foster.

I’d like to sign Alexander Mattison as his backup. He’s a pretty good complimentary piece, who has proven he can’t handle the load. But as a 5-7 carry a game guy, I think he’d be a perfect fit here.
 
welsh texan said:
KC is a great case study for how to handle your OL. They had big money tied up in Fisher and Schwartz at OT, but quickly dumped them both along with their center to help manage the cap, just as Mahomes’ mega contract began to toll.

They paid those guys right through the rookie contract of Mahomes because of course you protect your young QB, even if there are a few knocks on the play of those OL, they are experienced vets, but there does come a time to move on.

The Chiefs also chose to move on from Tyreek a year later, but did continue to pay Pats’ true release valve (Kelce) who is what really makes their offence tick.

Reid and the front office over there have consistently invested in the Defence once Mahomes was tied up. Happy to move on from skill players on O and trust Pat to get them the ball, but the D needs talent.
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Good post 👍
 
LikeMike said:
Here is my wish list of the remaining FA:

safeties:
Simmons, Blackmon, Jordan Fuller (whoever we can get in the 6-9 million per year range)

CB:
Nelson (I would really like to get him back - him not signing anywhere yet gives me hope, that he might come back cheap)

OT:
Jones, Nijman (after losing Fant we need another swing tackle)

If we can somehow sign Simmons, Nelson and Jones I would rest easy going into the draft. I would really like to get one of these safeties since I think there is a lot of value for the money here (especially after seeing Curls contract). And I would rather not having to rely on a rookie as our swing tackle…

Then draft the best DT, CB, WR with our first and second pick.
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How much $$ do we have left?
 
I checked a draft value chart. The value of what Houston sent is 761. The minimum value of the return is 766 and that's if the Vikings win the Super Bowl. If the Vikings are the worst team in the league, the value goes up to 1076. So by those metrics, the Texans easily come out ahead in this deal.

I suspect Nick is also thinking ahead with the team building. Positioning the team to load up with talent at the top of the draft to incorporate into the team before two and three year contracts expire. I'm a little bummed about not having a 1st round pick, but this will probably be for the best long term.
 
leebigeztx said:
I don't think Pierce is in the equation as a rb. He might be the next Brian Mitchell as a KR where he can see the holes from afar, but his vision isn't quick enough nor is he patient enough to be successful in this scheme. When they brought in Singletary, I knew he was trouble. I mean we've watched Steve Slaton run for 1200 behind a shoddy line as a rookie. Them dudes know exactly the type of runner they need in this offense. Kyrein Williams ran for 1100 as a 2nd yr player in LA. James Cook did it in Buffalo. It doesn't take long to find a guy with the proper traits.
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I hear ya and mostly agree, I just think they’re not quite ready to give up on him just yet. Brian Mitchell…that’s a good pull for a comp for Pierce.
 
BullRushTX said:
I checked a draft value chart. The value of what Houston sent is 761. The minimum value of the return is 766 and that's if the Vikings win the Super Bowl. If the Vikings are the worst team in the league, the value goes up to 1076. So by those metrics, the Texans easily come out ahead in this deal.

I suspect Nick is also thinking ahead with the team building. Positioning the team to load up with talent at the top of the draft to incorporate into the team before two and three year contracts expire. I'm a little bummed about not having a 1st round pick, but this will probably be for the best long term.
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Usually they treat next years draft picks as a round lower - so next years 2nd is comparable to this years 3d round. I still believe we come out on top, but barely. With a trade thats basically equal, why do it now? Overall I guess I am slightly in favor of this trade, simply because I think getting more high draft picks is really important (pretty soon we will need to fill out the roster with guys on rookie contracts) and I do believe there isn‘t that much seperating the WRs, CBs and DTs that are projected as late first to 2nd rounders.
 
LikeMike said:
Usually they treat next years draft picks as a round lower - so next years 2nd is comparable to this years 3d round. I still believe we come out on top, but barely. With a trade thats basically equal, why do it now? Overall I guess I am slightly in favor of this trade, simply because I think getting more high draft picks is really important (pretty soon we will need to fill out the roster with guys on rookie contracts) and I do believe there isn‘t that much seperating the WRs, CBs and DTs that are projected as late first to 2nd rounders.
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I think it's weird to do the trade over a month before the draft. It seems like there's more prospect evaluation that could be done and I think they would still have the opportunity to trade out of the first round later. However, I can understand the logic of the move.
 
welsh texan said:
KC is a great case study for how to handle your OL. They had big money tied up in Fisher and Schwartz at OT, but quickly dumped them both along with their center to help manage the cap, just as Mahomes’ mega contract began to toll.

They paid those guys right through the rookie contract of Mahomes because of course you protect your young QB, even if there are a few knocks on the play of those OL, they are experienced vets, but there does come a time to move on.

The Chiefs also chose to move on from Tyreek a year later, but did continue to pay Pats’ true release valve (Kelce) who is what really makes their offence tick.

Reid and the front office over there have consistently invested in the Defence once Mahomes was tied up. Happy to move on from skill players on O and trust Pat to get them the ball, but the D needs talent.
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Mahomes restructured to reduce his 2024 cap hit to 37M. I believe he'll restructure again b/c 2025, 2026, and 2027 are going to hit to the tune of 66M, 69M, and 65M on their cap.
 
dalemurphy said:
We lack team speed on offense. They have to address it. I believe they full intend to do so early in the draft.
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If my choice of picks were to come true:

123: RB- Jaylan Wright (TN) 4.38-40
127: WR- Luke McCaffrey (Rice) 4.47-40 (Excellent size and speed for a SWR)
238: WR- Anthony Gould (Oregon State) 4.39-40 (Gould's highlight film is eerily similar to Dell's...only he's a bit faster)

This would add plenty of speed in my humble opinion.
 
LikeMike said:
I don‘t get it. So this is essentially a 4 year 35 million dollar deal with 18 million dollar guaranteed that we gave up a 7th rounder for? Why?

Let‘s put aside my problems with his past right now. He is still a 27 year old running back that was the work horse for his old team - his old team was on the verge of cutting him. Now I do believe he has something left in his tank, but I don‘t feel comfortable at all to give him a long term contract. Workhorse RBs switching teams rarely work out.

And we could have just kept his contract - have him for one year at 6 million and make him earn his next contract. Worst case? He leaves in next years FA because another team offers him more than we do. We are already prepared to offer him 9 million a year now without having seen him. I think the chances of someone offering him more than that are slim - and if that happens I would still like our chances after rejuvenating his career.

The only reason I can think of for this is, to make him feel welcome and show him, that we believe in him. But I would 100% prefer the cap flexibility and having him in a contract year.
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Nope. It is a 3 year deal total. They threw out this year and are now paying 9 million(+1 million game bonuses)this year and 4 million next year. No money gauranteed the following year. 13 million total gauranteed
 
JWLCASPER said:
This was a two reason extension. First reason and primary reason was for Texans to manipulate the cap. By giving him a 3 year extension with 13 million guaranteed we basically turned this into a 3 year contract for 19 million (6 he was owed from last deal). That is 6.5 per year for year 4 of last contract and year 1 and 2 of the new contract. He will not see year 3 of the extension (4 seasons from now) when he is owed 8+ million unless we restructure him or extend him again.

This allows the Texans to stretch the 13 million over 3 future seasons and it takes his cap hit from 6 million this year to 1–1.5 million (P5 base salary) instead - freeing up another 5 million for accounting.

This was the primary reason for the extension.

The second reason is obviously the Texans are higher on him than Singletary and wanted him here at minimum 2 years and likely 3 years while Stroud is on his rookie deal. This was a good faith deal to give Mixon some security while also a good faith deal in giving Stroud some security (pass blocking, check down, bell cow carry capable) halfback during his breaking in period to the league.

Savvy work by Nick and co.
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I have not seen the breakdown of the contract extension. If you have a link to a reputable one, please post it. Thank you! It is quite possible that they took the $6 million from 2024 and combined it with a signing bonus to prorate over 4 years not three.
 
BullRushTX said:
I think it's weird to do the trade over a month before the draft. It seems like there's more prospect evaluation that could be done and I think they would still have the opportunity to trade out of the first round later. However, I can understand the logic of the move.
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I am thinking Vikings pressured the deal.
 
Xopher said:
Nope. It is a 3 year deal total. They threw out this year and are now paying 9 million(+1 million game bonuses)this year and 4 million next year. No money gauranteed the following year. 13 million total gauranteed
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Please provide a link for breakdown of contract as spot rac and over the cap do not have one yet. Thanks!
 
Texansphan said:
With the first round pick trade, the onus now falls harder on this FA.
Nick has more work to do now.
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The Texans will evaluate all players. Even the guys at the top of the draft. And they didn't lose a pick. Just drafting from a different slot. The same amount of work. But it is always a lot of work.
BullRushTX said:
I think it's weird to do the trade over a month before the draft.
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badboy said:
I am thinking Vikings pressured the deal.
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Exactly. The Vikings needed a trade partner now as they likely have a trade partner in the top 5 lined up. If it wasn't the Texans it would have been another team drafting in the 20's that made the deal with the Vikes.
 
Xopher said:
Nope. It is a 3 year deal total. They threw out this year and are now paying 9 million(+1 million game bonuses)this year and 4 million next year. No money gauranteed the following year. 13 million total gauranteed
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can you please provide a link supporting? This not to doubt you, but I like to review how the contract is structured including proration. Thanks!
 
JB said:
Please note that is an older study. Medicine has improved by leaps & bounds. There has been a OT that returned successfully recently and more
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Conklin was a mess of injuries (including an ACL rupture that ended his season in week 1) ever since he returned from his right patellar tendon tear (his was not a complete rupture). The Chiefs OT Lucas Niang returned after his patellar rupture, never to start again. Position makes a difference in these injuries. Heavy large linemen who play against great resistance play with extreme stresses to the patellar tendons. BTW, surgical repairs of these particular injuries as well as rehab techniques have shown very little modification in the last 2 decades.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Conklin was a mess of injuries (including an ACL rupture that ended his season in week 1) ever since he returned from his right patellar tendon tear (his was not a complete rupture). The Chiefs OT Lucas Niang returned after his patellar rupture, never to start again. Position makes a difference in these injuries. Heavy large linemen who play against great resistance play with extreme stresses to the patellar tendons. BTW, surgical repairs of these particular injuries as well as rehab techniques have shown very little modification in the last 2 decades.
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Just replying for future reference. Howard injury.
 
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