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2024 Draft Talk

badboy said:
I think another team would be willing to pay Greenard what the Texans would and not have a clause about percentage of snaps.

This could be a year of getting compensatory pics in 2025 by allowing some of our free agents go to other teams. I just don't see Caserio and Ryans putting out much for high priced free agents this offseason. They have been very successful with non-day-one draft picks plus vets acquired for inexpensive one and two year contract deals to give up that approach.

I can see Nelson, Deiter, Greenard, Schultz, Hughes, Rankins, Noah Brown and Fants not returning.
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They worked this way out of necessity.

You could be right though.
 
Lucky said:
Latu has played well the past 2 seasons at UCLA. But I have to wonder if NFL teams are going to pass him on a physical. His neck injury at Washington was considered career ending. Is a team going to spend a 1st round pick on a guy who is one hit from a devastating injury? I think Latu will still be on the board at the start of Day 2.
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We will see.

Depends on what the images show. If they're good he goes top 10. If they're bad it will be about how much risk teams at bottom of the 1st rd are willing to take. I could see a team like the Chiefs/Eagles picking him.
 
Lucky said:
Shown NFL teams MRIs of his neck? His play is not at question here.
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All NFL teams are assuredly aware of his MRIs and of course will have others taken. I think his play is more important to them than his possibilities of re-injury. We have seen that with other players.
 
badboy said:
I think another team would be willing to pay Greenard what the Texans would and not have a clause about percentage of snaps.

This could be a year of getting compensatory pics in 2025 by allowing some of our free agents go to other teams. I just don't see Caserio and Ryans putting out much for high priced free agents this offseason. They have been very successful with non-day-one draft picks plus vets acquired for inexpensive one and two year contract deals to give up that approach.

I can see Nelson, Deiter, Greenard, Schultz, Hughes, Rankins, Noah Brown and Fants not returning.
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Alot of contracts, even for big time vets has escalators in them based on % of plays. I've known guys who could've gotten and extra 200k and didn't because of snaps. Greenard has proven to be good vs run and with the rush when healthy. He's not going to cost nearly as much as hunter, but he can be in a 10-12m range.
I wouldn't be so quick to get rid of everyone because the team has had some success. I think they can sign some of the guys to 2 or 3 year deals with real money without tying up alot of cap for a 30 yr old. Nelson is the teams best cb and it's not even close. Could you upgrade him? Sure, but at what cost? Top that off, you have a oft injured Stingley on the other side. I'm willing to bet they could resign Nelson for 8m per and 3yrs and that's an absolute bargain. Of course every roster is going to have attrition.
 
leebigeztx said:
Alot of contracts, even for big time vets has escalators in them based on % of plays. I've known guys who could've gotten and extra 200k and didn't because of snaps. Greenard has proven to be good vs run and with the rush when healthy. He's not going to cost nearly as much as hunter, but he can be in a 10-12m range.
I wouldn't be so quick to get rid of everyone because the team has had some success. I think they can sign some of the guys to 2 or 3 year deals with real money without tying up alot of cap for a 30 yr old. Nelson is the teams best cb and it's not even close. Could you upgrade him? Sure, but at what cost? Top that off, you have a oft injured Stingley on the other side. I'm willing to bet they could resign Nelson for 8m per and 3yrs and that's an absolute bargain. Of course every roster is going to have attrition.
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They wouldn't be bringing in Barnett/Sanders if they were totaly happy with Greenard.

If you can get Nelson on that contract you do it.
 
leebigeztx said:
Alot of contracts, even for big time vets has escalators in them based on % of plays. I've known guys who could've gotten and extra 200k and didn't because of snaps. Greenard has proven to be good vs run and with the rush when healthy. He's not going to cost nearly as much as hunter, but he can be in a 10-12m range.
I wouldn't be so quick to get rid of everyone because the team has had some success. I think they can sign some of the guys to 2 or 3 year deals with real money without tying up alot of cap for a 30 yr old. Nelson is the teams best cb and it's not even close. Could you upgrade him? Sure, but at what cost? Top that off, you have a oft injured Stingley on the other side. I'm willing to bet they could resign Nelson for 8m per and 3yrs and that's an absolute bargain. Of course every roster is going to have attrition.
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To clarify I am not getting rid of anyone I am thinking the players will choose to go elsewhere. I just don't see casario after last off season spending big bucks to compete with these offers these players should be getting. I think Nelson will be replaced after he chooses to go elsewhere with a draft pick. I can also see two pics being used on cornerbacks in 2024 draft. I think Cooper DeJean and Kamren Kinchens will be available round 1 and both can play Cornerback or Safety. I think with Nubin also in mix at safety, Kinchens could slide to us round 2.

I personally would love

1. CB DeJean
2. S Kinchens
3. Edge Noah Ellis if healthy
4. CB Kris Abrams-Draine
4. WR Jermaine Burton
 
steelbtexan said:
They wouldn't be bringing in Barnett/Sanders if they were totaly happy with Greenard.

If you can get Nelson on that contract you do it.
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They brought in Sanders because he's young and cheap with upside. Barnett has been in the nfl for 6 years and has 20 sacks total. They brought him in for a look. They should always look to help with the rush as part of the rotation. I don't know how you came to the conclusion of not being happy with Greenard when he's clearly their best pass rusher.
 
badboy said:
To clarify I am not getting rid of anyone I am thinking the players will choose to go elsewhere. I just don't see casario after last off season spending big bucks to compete with these offers these players should be getting. I think Nelson will be replaced after he chooses to go elsewhere with a draft pick. I can also see two pics being used on cornerbacks in 2024 draft. I think Cooper DeJean and Kamren Kinchens will be available round 1 and both can play Cornerback or Safety. I think with Nubin also in mix at safety, Kinchens could slide to us round 2.

I personally would love

1. CB DeJean
2. S Kinchens
3. Edge Noah Ellis if healthy
4. CB Kris Abrams-Draine
4. WR Jermaine Burton
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Kinchens is a safety and will probably be the 1st safety drafted in the 1st rd. I'm not saying he will retain everyone, but I'm saying Nelson is playing way above the 6m he's making. That db room can be a huge weakness real quick even with a 1st rd rookie. Keeping Nelson and layering the position makes more sense than just letting him go and drafting a rookie. Especially with Stingley health and the Thomas not being good at football
 
leebigeztx said:
They brought in Sanders because he's young and cheap with upside. Barnett has been in the nfl for 6 years and has 20 sacks total. They brought him in for a look. They should always look to help with the rush as part of the rotation. I don't know how you came to the conclusion of not being happy with Greenard when he's clearly their best pass rusher.
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You're probably right, Greenard is their best pass rusher, which is why they struggle to get to the QB. Greenard isn't a bad player to hold down the fort. But he's not a starter and the best pass rusher (Or even close) on a championship team. Look at Last yrs AFCCG/NFCCG and the edge players for the Chiefs/Bengals/Eagles/49ers and tell me where you think Greenard fits in? Deep on the bench.
 
leebigeztx said:
Kinchens is a safety and will probably be the 1st safety drafted in the 1st rd. I'm not saying he will retain everyone, but I'm saying Nelson is playing way above the 6m he's making. That db room can be a huge weakness real quick even with a 1st rd rookie. Keeping Nelson and layering the position makes more sense than just letting him go and drafting a rookie. Especially with Stingley health and the Thomas not being good at football
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From what I've read Kinchens is project by some to go in the 2nd rd and others in the 3rd rd. I haven't seen anybody with an updated mock that has him going in the 1st rd. But I really haven't looked at him.

I would be OK with this draft if they signed Wilkins and Hunter in FA.

1. DeJohn
2. Benson
3. Sweat
4. Barron
7. Depth CB
7. BPA, I like Wylie the TE from TCU
 
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steelbtexan said:
You're probably right, Greenard is their best pass rusher, which is why they struggle to get to the QB. Greenard isn't a bad player to hold down the fort. But he's not a starter and the best pass rusher (Or even close) on a championship team. Look at Last yrs AFCCG/NFCCG and the edge players for the Chiefs/Bengals/Eagles/49ers and tell me where you think Greenard fits in? Deep on the bench.
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Hendrickson had 8 sacks last year, Hubbard had 6 for Cincy. None of KC edge players had more than 6 sacks. In Frisco, Bosa had 18.5 of their 44 sacks and nobody else had more than 5. So are you telling me Greenard wouldn't start in front of Hubbard, Karlaficas, and who ever sf had opposite of Bosa?
 
leebigeztx said:
Hendrickson had 8 sacks last year, Hubbard had 6 for Cincy. None of KC edge players had more than 6 sacks. In Frisco, Bosa had 18.5 of their 44 sacks and nobody else had more than 5. So are you telling me Greenard wouldn't start in front of Hubbard, Karlaficas, and who ever sf had opposite of Bosa?
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I'm telling you

1. Hubbard , Karl play the right end position. Totally different than where Greenard plays

2. There's no way with Greenland's injury history I'm paying him any significant money. I'm putting his money with more money and bringing NFL sack leader Hunter home. Of course I wanted Hunter to be drafted by Houston to begin with. I've always been a fan of his.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm telling you

1. Hubbard , Karl play the right end position. Totally different than where Greenard plays

2. There's no way with Greenland's injury history I'm paying him any significant money. I'm putting his money with more money and bringing NFL sack leader Hunter home. Of course I wanted Hunter to be drafted by Houston to begin with. I've always been a fan of his.
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Hubbard and Hendrickson are the defensive ends for Cincy no matter how you slice it. Clark Sr and Karlifikus were the edge players for KC last season and neither had more than 5 sacks. The Cincy pair neither had 8 sacks. SF has no one opposite of Bosa, that's why they traded for young. You brought up those conf championship teams and I'm just giving you facts.
Now you're saying Greenard injury history is preventing a payday which is valid. The Texans seem to have alot of guys who get injured, but don't act like he's a bench player or something. Go look at Jerry Hughes early trek that started in Indy. I'm not saying break the bank like he's von Miller or tj watt. Sweat just got 4 for 98 with 73m g. That's 18m per. Working off that, Greenard is probably around 12m per g-money for 4 yrs. They can always put % of snaps in his contract as likely to be earned.
 
leebigeztx said:
Hubbard and Hendrickson are the defensive ends for Cincy no matter how you slice it. Clark Sr and Karlifikus were the edge players for KC last season and neither had more than 5 sacks. The Cincy pair neither had 8 sacks. SF has no one opposite of Bosa, that's why they traded for young. You brought up those conf championship teams and I'm just giving you facts.
Now you're saying Greenard injury history is preventing a payday which is valid. The Texans seem to have alot of guys who get injured, but don't act like he's a bench player or something. Go look at Jerry Hughes early trek that started in Indy. I'm not saying break the bank like he's von Miller or tj watt. Sweat just got 4 for 98 with 73m g. That's 18m per. Working off that, Greenard is probably around 12m per g-money for 4 yrs. They can always put % of snaps in his contract as likely to be earned.
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You're choosing to ignore Greenards injury history and the guy has only been healthy in his contract yr, I'm not.

I feel that Greenard's money plus more will get you a difference maker. I want as many difference makers as Caserio can get. When healthy, which isn't often Greenard is just above a JAG.

There's a reason posters keep complaining about the defense inability to get pressure on the opposing QB.
 
steelbtexan said:
You're choosing to ignore Greenards injury history and the guy has only been healthy in his contract yr, I'm not.

I feel that Greenard's money plus more will get you a difference maker. I want as many difference makers as Caserio can get. When healthy, which isn't often Greenard is just above a JAG.

There's a reason posters keep complaining about the defense inability to get pressure on the opposing QB.
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He was healthy 2 years ago when the team couldn't stop a nose bleed in the run game and he had 8 sacks. I seem to remember you calling Ben Jones a jag too. Greenard isn't a jag imo. Is he top shelf? No, but he's going to be a 12 sack guy who also plays the run. If Anderson can replicate that next year and the upgrade the interior pressure and LB coverage, then they will be cooking with grease.
 
leebigeztx said:
He was healthy 2 years ago when the team couldn't stop a nose bleed in the run game and he had 8 sacks. I seem to remember you calling Ben Jones a jag too. Greenard isn't a jag imo. Is he top shelf? No, but he's going to be a 12 sack guy who also plays the run. If Anderson can replicate that next year and the upgrade the interior pressure and LB coverage, then they will be cooking with grease.
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Or you can just put his money into signing the NFL sack leader. If you don't want to sign Wilkins okay, keep Rankins and draft Sweat.

Would you for an extra 5-7 mil rather sign Hunter and draft Sweat and Rankins. Or spend the money on Greenard and say Wilkins?

You know what I would do, give me the NFL sack leader. He's not only a great player. He can help teach WA a thing or 2.
 
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Not bad.
Was surprised to see EE fell to me at #48 so had to take him.
Picking up Blake Corum there was a bit unrealistic but it's just a mock.
This one is a decent mock machine, try it out.
 
steelbtexan said:
Or you can just put his money into signing the NFL sack leader. If you don't want to sign Wilkins okay, keep Rankins and draft Sweat.

Would you for an extra 5-7 mil rather sign Hunter and draft Sweat and Rankins. Or spend the money on Greenard and say Wilkins?

You know what I would do, give me the NFL sack leader. He's not only a great player. He can help teach WA a thing or 2.
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You mean an extra 12m. Hunter is getting 25m per
 
JRingo said:
We need a Josh Allen. Dudes a beast..
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7 tackles 1.5 sacks 1 INT tonight vs Bengals in losing effort. I would be shocked if the Jags let him get away in free agency. However, if Houston Beats his current team out for division championship and then goes at least one game win in playoffs, perhaps he would be interested in a huge contract with Texans?
 
After seeing how the whole Texans roster has elevated itself under Demeco and Co., I'm thinking that we could go BPA at positions other than QB, LT and C.
If there is an impact/difference maker type player at your pick, we should take them - unless the player you've had your eye on all along is available.
This coaching staff has that desirable knack of getting the best out of the guys already on the roster!
I think they will go Ed/DE with their first, but after that, BPA.
I am not against picking up a quality RB with the second pick as they generally fall down the board a bit and the first 4-5 backs in this draft have real potential.
Another dangerous pass rusher will elevate the D and a quality back will elevate the O.
 
Texansphan said:
After seeing how the whole Texans roster has elevated itself under Demeco and Co., I'm thinking that we could go BPA at positions other than QB, LT and C.
If there is an impact/difference maker type player at your pick, we should take them - unless the player you've had your eye on all along is available.
This coaching staff has that desirable knack of getting the best out of the guys already on the roster!
I think they will go Ed/DE with their first, but after that, BPA.
I am not against picking up a quality RB with the second pick as they generally fall down the board a bit and the first 4-5 backs in this draft have real potential.
Another dangerous pass rusher will elevate the D and a quality back will elevate the O.
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I like edgevin the 1st. Problem is this isn't a good yr for Edge guys. Who do you like as an Edge for Ryans and who do you think will be there between 1-15 and 1-20 which is where I think the Texans will be picking.
 
steelbtexan said:
I like edgevin the 1st. Problem is this isn't a good yr for Edge guys. Who do you like as an Edge for Ryans and who do you think will be there between 1-15 and 1-20 which is where I think the Texans will be picking.
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No Right Tackle ? "So you're tellin' me there's a chance" !
 
steelbtexan said:
I like edgevin the 1st. Problem is this isn't a good yr for Edge guys. Who do you like as an Edge for Ryans and who do you think will be there between 1-15 and 1-20 which is where I think the Texans will be picking.
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I like Chop Robinson as an Edge. Needs some tackling fine tuning but DR is just the man to help him.
Bralen Trice is also interesting as more of a DE due to his bigger size but also decent rusher.
WR Xavier Legette is also a promising prospect, with 6'3" 225 size and a 4:29 40 - should be a weapon in the NFL.
I also like Emeka Egbuka - also fast at 4:30 40 6'0" 210 and runs nice routes.
LB Jeremiah Trotter may also be in Texans sights.
They could go CB with Kalen King.
 
Texansphan said:
I like Chop Robinson as an Edge. Needs some tackling fine tuning but DR is just the man to help him.
Bralen Trice is also interesting as more of a DE due to his bigger size but also decent rusher.
WR Xavier Legette is also a promising prospect, with 6'3" 225 size and a 4:29 40 - should be a weapon in the NFL.
I also like Emeka Egbuka - also fast at 4:30 40 6'0" 210 and runs nice routes.
LB Jeremiah Trotter may also be in Texans sights.
They could go CB with Kalen King.
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Don't know much about Robinson, but he didn't impress me against Michigan.

Legette is one of my favorite WR's in this draft. A real difference maker. I've got him as my WR4.

I like Egbuka, but he's inconsistent, late 1st. IMHO

Trotter is a good player but more of a rd 2-3 player IMHO

I like King and have him in the 1-18,1-25 range.
 
steelbtexan said:
I like edgevin the 1st. Problem is this isn't a good yr for Edge guys. Who do you like as an Edge for Ryans and who do you think will be there between 1-15 and 1-20 which is where I think the Texans will be picking.
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Actually this year is good at the top. Latu, Verse, Robinson, and Turner are all expected to go in the 1st round. I think the problem is that there isn’t a lot of depth.

My hope is that because it’s a good year for QB it will push some down to where we can get another edge. My favorites are Latu and Verse.
 
Texansphan said:
I like Chop Robinson as an Edge. Needs some tackling fine tuning but DR is just the man to help him.
Bralen Trice is also interesting as more of a DE due to his bigger size but also decent rusher.
WR Xavier Legette is also a promising prospect, with 6'3" 225 size and a 4:29 40 - should be a weapon in the NFL.
I also like Emeka Egbuka - also fast at 4:30 40 6'0" 210 and runs nice routes.
LB Jeremiah Trotter may also be in Texans sights.
They could go CB with Kalen King.
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Chop is quick, but he disappears at times. I’d want a little bit more consistency for us to take him.
 
TexansFan15 said:
Chop is quick, but he disappears at times. I’d want a little bit more consistency for us to take him.
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I think he is very much worth a shot.
Demeco is showing he has the ability to get the best out of his charges and he does have a great pass rush.
 
Can anyone confirm this as I can find only this one link saying Henderson is returning to Ohio State which thoroughly shocks me.




sports.yahoo.com

Ohio State loses RB to the NFL

Ohio State had one RB enter the 2024 NFL draft
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Ohio State had one RB enter the 2024 NFL draft but lead back TreVeyon Henderson is heading back to school for 2024
 
badboy said:
Can anyone confirm this as I can find only this one link saying Henderson is returning to Ohio State which thoroughly shocks me.




sports.yahoo.com

Ohio State loses RB to the NFL

Ohio State had one RB enter the 2024 NFL draft
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Ohio State had one RB enter the 2024 NFL draft but lead back TreVeyon Henderson is heading back to school for 2024
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I’ve seen a few comments on twitter about it, but no confirmation yet. They say that him and MHJ were offered massive NIL deals to stay at OSU.
 
Here I go again promoting a 1st round OL to protect our QB.

Kingsley Suamatia, OT, BYU
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George Fant has been a solid right tackle for the Texans, but he’s 32 and will need to be upgraded soon.
Kingsley Suamatia has amazing athleticism for a tackle of his size
 
ghostlight said:
Here I go again promoting a 1st round OL to protect our QB.

Kingsley Suamatia, OT, BYU
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George Fant has been a solid right tackle for the Texans, but he’s 32 and will need to be upgraded soon.
Kingsley Suamatia has amazing athleticism for a tackle of his size
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He is not good at run blocking and that has been the complaint of our offensive line now so that probably wouldn't help us much if at all. I am not interested him.
 
SnakeEyes said:
He looks good but, I like some other RBs more and...earlier than 4th round. Minus a DT, I think it is the biggest need. Then either WR or DB, BPA type thing.
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I see Johnson starting for us as a fourth round pick which is what we gave for Pierce and he can play in any offense scheme.
 
badboy said:
I continue to bring up undefeated University of Washington RB Dillon Johnson and no one seems to research. Perfect for any system and probably available round 4 though we'd probably have to trade up. I don't see him returning to school although that's what article seemingly is about.

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My main question is the est 4.58 or higher 40. True, he looks faster but a 4.7 or higher means he won't run away from anyone. At 4.5-ish that is Foster area 40 time and seemed fine in a similar system
 
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