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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Texian said:
You don't think Raiders would trade up for Stroud or Carolina for Levi's? Chicago has $93mm in cap and can easily afford Tunsil.
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They might. And I'd be all in favor of it. But that's not what's gonna happen. You know damn well they're gonna take a QB high this draft.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
It’s not. It’s weak. No matter who is on that team he said he wouldn’t want to go #1. That has nothing to do with Fields. The NFL is a business. This isn’t after school Kumbaya . Lets me know enough about Fields because if the Bears did want to draft him, he can’t do a thing about it. You can be friends and still compete.
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Just my opinion but I think you're reading way too much into a simple comment.
 
leebigeztx said:
That Michael Vick experience was something else. If you were a young black kid playing qb, he was probably like playing Madden.
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Well, if that's true this kid needs to observe real life more and model his game after good players, not mediocre ones. He's not playing in a simulation of Madden 2022. So what's his excuse for Watson??
 
Porky said:
Carter being arrested for putting people at risk of death? Eh he’s a kid. Who doesn’t make a bad decision when young?

Stroud finding inspiration in another QB? Ye shall be doomed to the pits of hell for all eternity. How dare ye speak the name of the banned one. Off with his head!
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It's not finding inspiration in just another QB. It's finding inspiration in 2 dirtbag QBs - one of which was a average player. You have to frame the context correctly not just minimize it. Most importantly, aim higher and be inspired by better players and men of leadership.
 
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You guys that are slamming Stroud because of his comments about Vick & Watson inspiring him, need to watch/listen to the interview again. I just watched it & he said that Vick inspired him to be athletic & he felt that his game is modeled after Watson's game. His comments had NOTHING to do with their off the field conduct. I guess some of you want to biatch just to biatch. Stroud actually came off as a very confident young man. I was impressed with what he said, but in the end, it's what he does on the field, not just what he says he can do.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
It's not finding inspiration in just another QB. It's finding inspiration in 2 dirtbag QBs - one of which was a average player. You have to frame the context correctly not just minimize it. Most importantly, aim higher and be inspired by better players and men of leadership.
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What all of these have have in common can more than hint why the comments have been made (scripted?):

Stroud
Watson-inspiration
Fields-"don't want to be taken by the Bears"
 
badboy said:
No one knows what we would get but Pittsburgh 17+ 33+ 50 is package that would perk my ears. I am not eager to trade Tunsil nor do I think Slowik will be
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Don’t know how much you know about PIT but they usually don’t play this type of game.
 
Texian said:
Yes but Richardson and Levis don’t really fit the WCO profile. WCO has preference of accuracy over a big arm.
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WestCoastOffense Bill Walsh liked play action schemes. Allow me to post #1988 again this stat.
His Levis completion percentage last season (65.4) was actually higher than Young’s (64.5). His play-action passing maybe fit well with a team productive in running the ball (Pierce). Texans can and should improve the offensive line and do more play action. He completed 68.5% of attempts with 9.7 air yards per attempt in play-action situations last season.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
What all of these have have in common can more than hint why the comments have been made (scripted?):

Stroud
Watson-inspiration
Fields-"don't want to be taken by the Bears"
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Funny you say that because I was just thinking that Stroud's comments make it potentially more difficult for management to select him. Because if he flops, struggles or gets into trouble, his comments invite the media to question the why the Texans selected Stroud in retrospect. It invites second guessing. In retrospect, it will be like, 'How could Caserio take a guy who looks at DeShaun Watson for inspiration?'

Certainly impossible to know whether there's any intent there. But he didn't do himself any favors, which is why he shouldn't have said it. He needs a publicist or for someone to teach him the basics of PR 101.
 
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leebigeztx said:
You're a smart guy, inspire isn't the same as role model. Someone's ability to play your position doesn't mean they're your idol. I guess nobody watches movies by woody allen,kevin spacey,harvey weinstein,bill cosby or listen to Micheal Jackson, Elvis, R. Kelly, or James Brown? C'mon man.
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No young person who is asked who do they find inspirational is listing Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, or Woody Allen. R. Kelly isn’t making the list with. Elvis, James Brown and Michael Jackson are icons that Vick and Watson will never ascend to. They don’t belong in this conversation.

Get real and stop making excuses.

No one has an issue with Vick. He did his time.

Watson is another story. Especially in Houston.

All Stroud has done is be a mouth piece for Muleghetta. Fields is the QB in Chicago. Watson inspires. Watson is in the same sentence as Vick? No way.

Stroud looks like a fool up there working for Mulugheta’s players and not himself.

Sad.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Funny you say that because I was just thinking that Stroud's comments make potentially more difficult for management to select him. Because if he flops or struggles, his comment invite the media to question the why the Texans selected Stroud in retrospect. It invites second guessing. In retrospect, it will be like, 'How could Caserio take a guy who looked at Watson for inspiration?'

Certainly impossible to know whether there's any intent there. But he didn't do himself any favors, which is why he shouldn't have said it. He needs a publicist or for someone to teach him the basics of PR 101.
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Yep makes sense ya know it does matter what you say in front and behind the media, cameras, and what is said in the team's interviews. That's part of the curriculum process to be hired and play for a professional job. This is where the big boys walk and the money talks.
 
thunderkyss said:
Seriously?

can you transcribe his response in crayon for me? Substitute the big words with little words & if you could include illustrations that would be swell.
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He also clearly stated he wears the number "7" because of his inspiration, Michael Vick. You know, the averge-ish NFL QB who was suspended 2 years for gambling of dog fights he organized. Totally normal and NOTHING to do with off field behavior.

Ok I'm done lol.
 
It's sad to think the forgotten results of character misjudgments by some players ie Watson Vick n others that affected the ones that would have been drafted earlier beforehand and were not. Then later their own team mates and fans were let down.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Funny you say that because I was just thinking that Stroud's comments make potentially more difficult for management to select him. Because if he flops or struggles, his comment invite the media to question the why the Texans selected Stroud in retrospect. It invites second guessing. In retrospect, it will be like, 'How could Caserio take a guy who looked at Watson for inspiration?'

Certainly impossible to know whether there's any intent there. But he didn't do himself any favors, which is why he shouldn't have said it. He needs a publicist or for someone to teach him the basic of PR 101.
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I think you missed my point regarding "scripted."

Stroud is represented by Athletes First.

He is inspired by Watson who is represented by Athletes First.

“I mean, nah, I don’t want to go there (to the Bears). That’s his (Fields') team." Fields is represented by Athletes First.

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And as far as Vick:
In an interview with Fox Sports 1’s Nick Wright, Vick talked about his relationship with Watson. It’s apparently so close, that Vick said he planned on talking to Watson about his future in the NFL.
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TexanBorn51 said:
The quadmire of drafting a 1st round QB
Young
Stroud
Levis
Richardson

All top 1st round draft picks
All receive various opinions and good/bad criticisms and player evaluations from everywhere A-Z
All not yet proven in the NFL
All are more or less physically prone to injury than the other
All should have very good surrounding talented players and a system which differently varies in each team that fits them well. Then they and the teams will be successful.
The draft is still over 45 days away

The Houston Texans last 3 years
2020 W- 4 L- 12
2021 W- 4 L- 13
2022 W- 3 L- 13 T- 1

Texans need to quickly turn things around and become a competitive winning team again.
Going over .500 and above in itself would be a great exciting start in the coming season(s).
There will always be more yearly drafts, free agency, and trades.
Then hopefully comes the next big major step - the playoffs and Superbowl.
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Combine press conference reactions. I listened to all four start to finish.

Stroud- sounded most like a football player who is best staying on the subject of pure football.
Young- most polished on the group but probably the one I learned the least about as a player
Levis- his mannerism and tone made me think he was Casserio's nephew or other relative
richardson- he seemed to have the most fun with the most commanding voice
 
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AcresHomesTexan said:
Combine press conference reactions. I listened to all four start to finish.

Stroud- sounded most like a football player who is best staying opn the subject of pure football.
Young- most polished on the group but probably the one I learned the least about as a player
Levis- his mannerism and tone made me think he was Casserio's nephew or other relative
richardson- he seemed to have the most fun with the most commanded voice
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Interesting observation thanks. No response here didn t see any combine. Presently caretaker for mom been busy.
 
Hottoddie said:
You guys that are slamming Stroud because of his comments about Vick & Watson inspiring him, need to watch/listen to the interview again. I just watched it & he said that Vick inspired him to be athletic & he felt that his game is modeled after Watson's game. His comments had NOTHING to do with their off the field conduct. I guess some of you want to biatch just to biatch. Stroud actually came off as a very confident young man. I was impressed with what he said, but in the end, it's what he does on the field, not just what he says he can do.
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Quoted for truth
 
steelbtexan said:
That's why in yr 4 of a QB's you need to start looking for your QB of the future like the Packers do.
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The Packers have had two starting QB's for the last 30 years. They spent no Day 1/Day 2 draft capital on a QB from the time they traded for Favre until they drafted Rodgers. That was 13 years.

They drafted Brohm at the bottom of the second round in 2008, the year that Rodgers became the starter. They spent no Day 1/Day 2 draft capital until 12 years later on Love.

During this 30-year run, they drafted 11 QB's in the 5th round or later. That's not trying to find your QB of the future. That's at best trying to find a backup.
 
steelbtexan said:
I never said Stroud didn't have a great game, so dont bring me into this. However Stroud while still playing well didn't play his best ball in the 4th qtr.
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Stroud has been criticized for folding when he’s under pressure. This is exactly what happened in the Georgia game. Under heavy pressure he floated a very bad pass that caused #1 WR in college to be knocked out of the game and cost OSU the game. Now imagine playing in the NFL without one of the best OL and the best WRs in football. It’s probably going to be real ugly.
 
I don't know if it's a dumb thing to consider considering each team, year, player, situation is different but I am slightly discouraged by the fact that Ohio State hasn't produced a QB worth a **** at the NFL level. Fields TBD I guess.

And yes I know we can say it about other players who come from small time programs, but Ohio State is Ohio State. Those guys have been prominent for decades.

I dunno, whatever. Admittedly I've never been a big college guy. I was just thinking about how some schools are "Linebacker U" and whatnot and it made me wonder because it seems like there been a few OSU QB hyped and never seemed to pan out.

Is that something people are "saying"? I'm not a fan of comparisons like that because I'm not sure how much it means. It's like when they say a team vs team "all time playoff record against each other" or bringing up games from 6 years ago as some measuring stick for an entirely new team and roster.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I don't know if it's a dumb thing to consider considering each team, year, player, situation is different but I am slightly discouraged by the fact that Ohio State hasn't produced a QB worth a **** at the NFL level. Fields TBD I guess.

And yes I know we can say it about other players who come from small time programs, but Ohio State is Ohio State. Those guys have been prominent for decades.

I dunno, whatever. Admittedly I've never been a big college guy. I was just thinking about how some schools are "Linebacker U" and whatnot and it made me wonder because it seems like there been a few OSU QB hyped and never seemed to pan out
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What school would you consider the closest thing to a QB factory?
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I'm not sure. Y'all know more about college than I do lol.
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That's totally fair, and no worries.

My point was just that there really isn't a school with a conveyor belt of top end QBs tumbling off of it. In fact if you look up and down anyone's greatest QBs of all time list and you looked at what school they came from you'd be looking for a serious other minute and squinting your eyes to find the next best one.

Further that, would you have drafted Tom Brady? How 'bout Aaron Rodgers or Pat Mahomes? Because Michigan, Cal, and Tex Tech had the square root of absolutely squat before them.

You don't, IMO, scout the school, you scout the player. The exception to this is if the school has some gimmicky system that has a challenging translation to the pros. An example of that I'd give this year is Hendon Hooker. Lots of things to like certainly, but the system Josh Heupel has put together is night and day different than anything he'll be asked to do at the next level. But ya, other than that school means nada. Physical attributes, transferable traits/skills, maturity, processing, passion for the mission. Those are your objective finds, again imo. And they're by and large independent as all get out from alma mater.
 
Porky said:
I'm not going to knock him for being truthful. Fields is the guy there. I don't see the Bears tossing him for Stroud, and probably not Young. I think he was stating the obvious while being respectful of his fellow alum.
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I don't remember really want any hostage taker type players anymore. Good intentions or not. I love humility and class but I also do want guys who want that #1 spot regardless. Big time. Prime time. Then again, the statement IS probably just PR lip service ****. Utterly pointless in the long run.

Bigger problem for me is leaning that Stroud has this Mulugheta asshole as his agent which I've learned just scrolling back the last few pages catching up on what I missed today?? I don't want anything to do that cancerous scumbag guy after what happened with Twatson.

Count me the **** out.
 
Mollywhopper said:
That's totally fair, and no worries.

My point was just that there really isn't a school with a conveyor belt of top end QBs tumbling off of it. In fact if you look up and down anyone's greatest QBs of all time list and you looked at what school they came from you'd be looking for a serious other minute and squinting your eyes to find the next best one.

Further that, would you have drafted Tom Brady? How 'bout Aaron Rodgers or Pat Mahomes? Because Michigan, Cal, and Tex Tech had the square root of absolutely squat before them.

You don't, IMO, scout the school, you scout the player. The exception to this is if the school has some gimmicky system that has a challenging translation to the pros. An example of that I'd give this year is Hendon Hooker. Lots of things to like certainly, but the system Josh Heupel has put together is night and day different than anything he'll be asked to do at the next level. But ya, other than that school means nada. Physical attributes, transferable traits/skills, maturity, processing, passion for the mission. Those are your objective finds, again imo. And they're by and large independent as all get out from alma mater.
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Absolutely true. Absolutely.
 
Texian said:
Stroud has been criticized for folding when he’s under pressure. This is exactly what happened in the Georgia game. Under heavy pressure he floated a very bad pass that caused #1 WR in college to be knocked out of the game and cost OSU the game. Now imagine playing in the NFL without one of the best OL and the best WRs in football. It’s probably going to be real ugly.
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How is this folding under pressure when it was basically a jail break and it looked like he was throwing the ball away? C'mon bro
 
TexansBull said:
No young person who is asked who do they find inspirational is listing Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, or Woody Allen. R. Kelly isn’t making the list with. Elvis, James Brown and Michael Jackson are icons that Vick and Watson will never ascend to. They don’t belong in this conversation.

Get real and stop making excuses.

No one has an issue with Vick. He did his time.

Watson is another story. Especially in Houston.

All Stroud has done is be a mouth piece for Muleghetta. Fields is the QB in Chicago. Watson inspires. Watson is in the same sentence as Vick? No way.

Stroud looks like a fool up there working for Mulugheta’s players and not himself.

Sad.
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He stated he wore #7 as a young black qb because of vick. He said his style is like Watson and Burrow. Did you even listen or you want to make stuff up?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
What I see:

Bears are interested in moving their RD1 pick provided they’re not dropping too far down and missing out on defensive targets. Teams wanting a QB, know the Bears are not shopping for a new QB….offers for that first pick will be good.

Depending on the Bears pick, Texans could find themselves in the catbird seat. Every NFL GM knows the Texans could use that #2 pick on a QB….they want. Caserio could be in a great position to demand and get a King’s ransom for the #2 pick.
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There's always risk in trading down. What if the team they trade with takes the QB the Texans want? Are you prepared to wait until 2024 for a new QB and roll with Mills and whatever FA QB the Texans bring in?
 
DocBar said:
There's always risk in trading down. What if the team they trade with takes the QB the Texans want? Are you prepared to wait until 2024 for a new QB and roll with Mills and whatever FA QB the Texans bring in?
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In that scenario, you either don't risk trading down, or you settle for another guy lower down or demand a Kings ransom.
 
Regardless of your personal feelings on Levis how do you think the fan reaction goes if we draft Levis at 2? Does the organization immediately lose all good will they got by hiring Ryans or does the fanbase quickly talk themselves into Levis?
 
Draft Day thoughts:

Bobby Slowik and Jerod Johnson will be primarily responsible for drafting a QB. They're the only two on staff who really understand the position and the system. I sense that Slowik has been influenced by Brock Purdy.

Bryce Young's size and weight are not nearly as concerning to me as his small frame. The NFL is full of BIG, mean, nasty, strong, fast supermen. They are going to snap Bryce Young like he is a chicken wing. Especially when he is not playing behind a 5-Star OL with world-class WRs.

Drafting a QB in the 1st RD in this draft has a very high probability of condemning the drafting team to spend another 5 years drafting near the Top 10.
 
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So Bryce Young measured almost the exact same as Kyler Murray—5'10 1/8, 204lbs. Hopefully whatever team takes him isn't getting the same quality of QB because that is the albatross you want to avoid... Kyler much better runner and ability to make plays with his feet; stronger arm also and about the same accuracy. Young, very high football IQ, poise, decision making.

Will they end up being similar quality players when it's all said and done? A lot of tough decisions coming for GMs.

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Bryce Young is just over 5-10 and 204 pounds

The biggest question hanging over former Alabama quarterback Bryce Young heading into the Scouting Combine didn’t have anything to do with how he throws the ball or reads defenses. It had to do with Young’s size and the official measurements are now in. Young was listed by Alabama as being 6...
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