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Something I am not hearing anything about in the discussions of the implications of not acting on a potential and most likely scenario that Tua's Sunday event was in fact a concussion, is..............a 2nd concussion (Thursday) just a few days after an original concussion (Sunday) can be devastating. If healing from a first concussion is not complete, it places the player at increased risk to suffer a much more serious concussion, with even a mild head trauma.............death from such disregard is well-documented in the medical literature. There is very good reason why the NFL must be forced to thoroughly and honestly investigate the Tua situation, and hold all those responsible for the involved decisions.

Tua's Fencers Response was a clear indication that there was trauma to his brainstem. Why is this especially concerning? The brainstem is responsible for most vital functions of life, such as breathing, consciousness, blood pressure, heart rate, and sleep. It should be readily apparent what the implications of altering or even "turning off" any of these functions due to trauma could be.
 
NFL Players Association terminates Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant involved in Bills-Dolphins controversy
Posted by Mike Florio on October 1, 2022, 1:56 PM EDT


The official investigation regarding the decision to clear Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa remains pending. For now, however, the NFL Players Association has decided to take action.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the NFLPA has exercised its prerogative to terminate the Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant involved in the decision to clear Tua to return to action.

The concussion protocol provides that players who demonstrate gross motor instability may return only if the team physician, in consultation with the UNC, determines that the instability did not have a neurological cause.

Although specific findings have not been made regarding how and why Tua returned, the union lost confidence in the UNC, given that the impairment of the player was obvious. Based on the available video, Tua should not have returned.

Ravens coach John Harbaugh made that point on Friday, as tactfully as he could.

“I couldn’t believe what I saw last Sunday,” Harbaugh said regarding Tua clearly wobbling and later returning to the game. “It was just something that was astonishing to see. I’ve been coaching for 40 years now, college in the NFL, almost 40, and I’ve never seen anything like it before. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing.”

The NFLPA couldn’t believe it, either. And the union saw enough to move on from the UNC who was involved in the situation, regardless of the investigation’s specific findings.
 
This is in no way the response to a back injury. And even if you could use your imagination and call this a response to what would have been a significant 2nd back injury (which it wasn't).........how could you justify keeping your franchise QB in the game anyway, since a back or neck injury is usually associated with injury to the spinal cord?

 
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This guy has needed help for a very long time.

To be fair, and this is just coming from another article showing more of the story, the woman in the pool was involved in the nonsense that was going on. They were already having fun in the pool together.

Now I'm not suggesting that it's just perfectly cool to whip one's wiener out in public, but it's also not exactly a case of 'man exposes himself to stunned onlookers' as though he just did this to complete strangers out of nowhere for no reason whatsoever.
 
Something I am not hearing anything about in the discussions of the implications of not acting on a potential and most likely scenario that Tua's Sunday event was in fact a concussion, is..............a 2nd concussion (Thursday) just a few days after an original concussion (Sunday) can be devastating. If healing from a first concussion is not complete, it places the player at increased risk to suffer a much more serious concussion, with even a mild head trauma.............death from such disregard is well-documented in the medical literature. There is very good reason why the NFL must be forced to thoroughly and honestly investigate the Tua situation, and hold all those responsible for the involved decisions.

Tua's Fencers Response was a clear indication that there was trauma to his brainstem. Why is this especially concerning? The brainstem is responsible for most vital functions of life, such as breathing, consciousness, blood pressure, heart rate, and sleep. It should be readily apparent what the implications of altering or even "turning off" any of these functions due to trauma could be.
All levels of football must strive to avoid “second impact syndrome”
Posted by Mike Florio on October 1, 2022, 10:58 AM EDT


Apart from the potential long-term effects of suffering two concussions in a short period of time, there’s a much more important short-term concern that arises from the possibility of a player suffering a concussion before he has recovered from a prior one.

The phenomenon is known as “second impact syndrome.” That term was trending on Thursday night, after Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa suffered an obvious head injury against the Bengals. If he had suffered a concussion on Sunday that had not yet fully resolved itself, he could have experienced second impact syndrome.


Here’s an explanation of the condition, from the National Library of Medicine: “The generally accepted cause relates to sustaining a second concussion before the brain has a chance to recover from the initial insult fully. The athlete will rapidly develop altered mental status and a loss of consciousness within seconds to minutes of the second hit resulting in catastrophic neurological injury. The catastrophic injury results from the dysfunctional cerebral blood flow autoregulation leading to an increase in intracranial pressure. The pressure rapidly develops and eventually results in brain herniation. The herniation may occur either medially across the falx cerebri or inferiorly through the foramen magnum, resulting in brain stem injury and rapid deterioration and leading to death within 2 to 5 minutes.”

The term was coined in 1984, after a football player suffered a head injury, returned to play again four days later, suffered another head injury, collapsed, and died.

The NFL has never experienced a player dying on the field from a head injury. In August 2001, Korey Stringer died due to heat exhaustion at training camp. In October 1971, Chuck Hughes died during a game, from a heart ailment.

In 2009, not long before Congress forced a concussion epiphany upon the NFL, quarterback Carson Palmer predicted that someone will eventually die on the field.

“Everyone talks about the good old days, when guys were tough and quarterbacks got crushed all the time,” Palmer said, “but back in the day, there weren’t defensive ends that were Mario Williams — 6-7, 300 pounds, 10 percent body fat, running a 4.7 40
Although the NFL has avoided an on-field fatality due to head trauma, high school players die every year. Last month alone, at least two died: Xavier McClain in New Jersey, and Yahir Cancino in Texas.

In 2009, the state of Washington enacted the first law aimed at protecting high school players from suffering a second head injury before the first one healed. The NFL was instrumental in getting all states to adopt similar legislation named for Zachary Lystedt, who experienced a catastrophic brain injury after two head injuries in the same game.

The NFL’s obvious goal is to prevent second impact syndrome. That’s why the investigation regarding Tagovailoa’s return to play on Sunday after displaying gross motor instability has become so important. The loophole that allowed doctors to clear Tagovailoa could lead, in the wrong set of circumstances, to the worst-case scenario for the player.

It’s critical that the NFL get this right. There’s no hope for lower levels of the sport ever fully and properly protecting football players if the NFL can’t. (Even if the NFL can figure it out, the lower levels remain woefully behind the curve.)

The easiest fix, in the aftermath of the Tagovailoa controversy, would be to immediately make gross motor instability a “no go,” with no exceptions or loopholes. We’ve asked the league whether that change will be made before Sunday’s games. Hopefully, it will be.

If a player who has shown obvious wobbling can be cleared to return to an NFL game, he can be cleared to return to a high-school game, too. The sooner the NFL sends a loud and clear message that what we all saw last Sunday should never happen at any level of football, the message will be received by every level of football.
 
The NFL and NFLPA have released a joint statement.

“The joint NFL-NFLPA investigation into the application of the Concussion Protocol involving Miami Dolphins’ quarterback Tua Tagovailoa remains ongoing,” the statement explains. “Therefore, we have not made any conclusions about medical errors or protocol violations.”

There seems to be agreement that there should be no loopholes to the "Gross Motor Instability" clause in the NFL Concussion Protocol. The smart thing to do would be to put in in effect by the beginning of tomorrow's games.

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In firing UNC, NFLPA cited “failure to understand role” and “hostility” during investigation
Posted by Mike Florio on October 2, 2022, 8:08 AM EDT


On Saturday, the NFL Players Association exercised its prerogative under the Collective Bargaining Agreement to fire the Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant involved in last Sunday’s decision to allow Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa to return to action, despite demonstrating “gross motor instability” after his head struck the ground.

According to NFL Media, the union cited two specific factors in making the decision. First, the NFLPA pointed to the UNC’s “failure to understand his role.” Second, the NFLPA conclude that the UNC showed “hostility during the investigation process.”

Per the report, the Dolphins’ team physician and the UNC were interviewed on Friday.

The NFL and the NFLPA issued a joint statement on Saturday night acknowledging that, although the investigation regarding last week’s incident is ongoing, the league and union already anticipate changes to the concussion protocol, and that they are discussing the use of the key term “gross motor instability.”

Currently, the protocol authorizes the team physician, in consultation with the UNC, to allow a player who has displayed “gross motor instability” to return to play, if it’s determined that the instability did not have a neurological cause. How the doctors involved in Tua’s situation came to that conclusion continues to be the biggest unknown. Last Sunday, the league did not respond to that specific question. More recently, the league has declined to answer the question, citing the pending investigation.

The fact that the NFLPA concluded that the UNC failed to understand his role hints at a problem in the application of the current protocol. As a matter of basic logic and common sense, it likely means that the team physician believed Tua shouldn’t return and the UNC overruled the team doctor by declaring Tua to be fine, that the UNC believed Tua should not return but deferred to the team physician, or that the UNC had misgivings about Tua returning and simply kept them to himself.

Even if there was an error in the application of the current protocol, the language allowing a player with “gross motor instability” to return to play that same day must be examined and revised. No one who saw the video of the incident reasonably should have believed Tua would be permitted to return to the game, regardless of whatever tests he passed in the locker room. The instability obviously had a neurological cause (i.e., he didn’t trip over someone’s leg), and Tua should have been shut down for the balance of the day.

The fact that Tua supposedly was fine after the game and all week long, until suffering an indisputable head injury on Thursday night, doesn’t matter. The question is whether, in real time, the team doctor and the UNC should have stopped Tua from playing again that day, after he displayed gross motor instability. Whether he’s OK later is irrelevant to whether he possibly isn’t OK in the specific moment that the critical decision was made to allow a player who may have suffered one head injury to potentially suffer another one, and possibly to develop second impact syndrome and die.

Those are the stakes, as bluntly as they can be stated. Given that basic reality, there can be no outcome other than an acknowledgement that the system, whether due to doctor error or substandard drafting of the protocol or both, failed.
 
The league's concussion protocol states that gross motor instability means a player cannot return to the game if the "team physician, in consultation with the sideline UNC (unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant), determines the instability to be neurologically caused."

Just like the ultimate decision for a player to be returned to a game following any injury is up to the team physician.........not the head coach, the ultimate decision to play or not play in a potential concussion situation is in the hands of the team physician......not the UNC. Firing the UNC essentially dodges the team physician's responsibility in this situation.
 
Sept 13
Prescott underwent surgery yesterday. Dr, Jerry Jones says that he expects Prescott back within 4 weeks. In 4 weeks, Prescott will not be able to tightly grip a football. If Jerry is stupid enough to put him out there that early, expect some bad consequences.


Sept 15
Prescott and Jones have been saying that Prescott could probably be back to start week 4. As I previously posted, that was ridiculous, Now his thumb is still significantly swollen. He's nowhere close to being able to throw.


Dr. Jerry Jones who did not put Prescott on IR because he assured everyone that Prescott would return BEFORE week 4.

 
It shouldn't have taken a whole "investigation" to conclude that even if the team doctor and UNC were trying to assign Tua's signs and symptoms to a back injury, Tua should have never been allowed to return to play in the game.

This is in no way the response to a back injury. And even if you could use your imagination and call this a response to what would have been a significant 2nd back injury (which it wasn't).........how could you justify keeping your franchise QB in the game anyway, since a back or neck injury [with the response demonstrated] is usually associated with injury to the spinal cord?




NFLPA believes Tua Tagovailoa shouldn’t have returned last week, even if it was a back injury
Posted by Mike Florio on October 2, 2022, 9:03 PM EDT


On the surface, the situation that emerged last Sunday involving Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa can seem complicated. After seeing Tua stumble and nearly fall, was it a head injury or a back injury?
The NFL Players Association believes it’s far more simple than that. Per a source with knowledge of the union’s thinking, even if it was a back injury, Tua shouldn’t have returned to action.

Spinal cord injuries can be serious. Very serious. If Tua did indeed suffer a back injury that produced gross motor instability, why did the doctors allow him to return?

When the NFLPA and the NFL interview Tua this week as part of the ongoing investigation, the union plans, we’re told, to ask Tua a very straightforward and direct question. If you told the doctors you injured your back, what they do to examine your back?

It’s possible that there was no examination. It’s possible that the examination may have included one or more flaws.

Again, the goal is to steer the process away from a checklist for letting players continue to play and more toward an effort to evaluate players as patients, even if it means telling them they can’t play.

Doctor’s tell us all the time not to do certain things, for our own good. In most situations, we’re on our own when it comes to whether we will, or won’t, comply. When it comes to football, there’s much easier way to ensure that the player complies with medical advice. The team and/or the league simply tell him that he must.
 
Unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant who evaluated Tua Tagovailoa fired, sources say; investigation ongoing


 
Unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant who evaluated Tua Tagovailoa fired, sources say; investigation ongoing


Already posted above comment #12152
 
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Some screwy things continue to happen. Bucs TE Cameron Brate was evaluated for a concussion last night earlier in the game and re-entered the game after being cleared............then later was ruled out with a concussion. As the broadcaster announced the concussion and that he was out, the camera panned to the Bucs bench. The question is why was he on the bench............the Concussion Protocol does not allow the player to come back into the stadium once diagnosed with a concussion. :shades:
 
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Todd Bowles: “Nobody called down” to check Cameron Brate for a concussion
Mike Florio


On Sunday night, Buccaneers tight end Cameron Brate took a blow to the head late in the second quarter. He exited the game, and then he re-entered. During halftime, he was placed in the concussion protocol.

On Monday, Buccaneers coach Todd Bowles confirmed that Brate was not checked for a concussion on the sideline.

“He complained of shoulder discomfort,” Bowles said of Brate. “Nothing about his head. He was checked out three times. He just said give him a minute. Nothing came up. He went back in until the end of the half. At halftime, he started having symptoms.
Obviously, they were delayed. He started complaining about that. They tested him, he’s in the protocol. We kept him out the rest of the game.”

After the player receives impact to the head, the NFL’s “Concussion Game Day Checklist” activates if the player exhibits or reports symptoms of a concussion, OR if the Certified Athletic Trainer (ATC), the booth ATC, the team doctor, a game official, a coach, a teammate, the booth Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant, or the sideline UNC initiates the protocol. Bowles’s explanation makes it clear that none of the various people who could have activated the protocol did so.

“[Brate] complained of shoulder discomfort,” Bowles said. “He said nothing about his head on the sideline. Nobody called down. He was checked out three times. And he went back in until the end of the half. The concussion thing didn’t come up until halftime.”

Nobody called down. That’s the point Tony Dungy has been making. Someone should have called down to initiate the protocol.
Bowles, based on his comments from Monday, possibly doesn’t understand that the protocol can be initiated even if the player (who we know can’t be trusted to be candid about head trauma, especially if he’s suffering from a head injury) doesn’t self-report.

“He complained about his shoulder, not his head,” Bowles said. “You can’t see a neurologist or talk about concussions if you’re only complaining about your shoulder. . . . It was a noticeable hit. But again, it was on the shoulder. Nobody said nothing about the head. He got checked out three times. He said he just needed a minute for his shoulder to clear up, and that was it.”

That’s where the ATC, the booth ATC, the team doctor, a game official, a coach, a teammate, the booth UNC, and/or the sideline UNC could have — and should have — come in. One of the problems with the protocol could be, frankly, that too many people have the ability to initiate the protocol. It’s easy to assume someone else will do it, or that they have done it.

Regardless, someone should have done it. The fact that Brate developed concussion symptoms at halftime proves that he should have been removed from the game and checked. The system may not be broken, but in that situation it definitely failed. And it left Brate susceptible to a second head injury, only minutes after he had suffered a first head injury.
 
Strange reasoning. X-rays being negative only essentially MAY rule out fracture (sometimes X-rays cannot detect fracture for several days to a week as bone at the fraccture site resorb). It has little value in evaluating ligament, tendon or articular damage which are all important factors in determining appropriate future handling. Even grade I sprains require more time to return. Delayed physical examination (~5 days) of the lateral ankle ligament complex gives much more reliable information about the extent of the strain than the one that is done within 48 hours.

 
JJ Watt risking his life to play the game he loves…Tom Brady risking his marriage to play the game he loves.

Both are two of the greatest players to play the game. I don’t think we can understand that desire to play at that level and to consciously put life and family at risk.

I get Giselle put her career on hold to raise family while Tom plays football.

But cmon. To get a divorce over it?

 
Sad. Didn’t know that.
What's her choice? Hang around and watch the father of her children turn into a vegetable. I'm no brain surgeon, but getting hit in the head must be worse for a 40 something than a 20 something.

Watt? I thought he would have retired by now and become a Hollywood action hero. Has to be some comic book character still available. JJ has broken damn near everything in his body. Now he's going after his heart and everyone else's.
 
Some screwy things continue to happen. Bucs TE Cameron Brate was evaluated for a concussion last night earlier in the game and re-entered the game after being cleared............then later was ruled out with a concussion. As the broadcaster announced the concussion and that he was out, the camera panned to the Bucs bench. The question is why was he on the bench............the Concussion Protocol does not allow the player to come back into the stadium once diagnosed with a concussion. :shades:
I originally had opportunity to review the play in question. I thought it was consistent with concussion when a first saw it. I thought he was being evaluated for a concussion at that time. Now I find out that he was not evaluated for a concussion........but for a shoulder injury. There is no doubt that he sustained a hit to his head, not his shoulder. How all officially-involved came to shoulder conclusion very much concerns me re. their ability to evaluate injuries.

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NFL: Spotters concluded Cameron Brate was hit in the shoulder, not the head
Posted by Mike Florio on October 4, 2022, 7:03 PM EDT


The NFL’s “Concussion Game Day Checklist” consists of a flow chart that commences with a first step: “Player receives impact to the head.”

In the case of Buccaneers tight end Cameron Brate, the NFL contends that step one didn’t happen.

“Immediately following the game, the NFL contacted team and unaffiliated medical personnel to gather information concerning the injury sustained by Tampa Bay’s Cameron Brate,” the NFL said in a statement provided to PFT. “The league reviewed the information with the NFL Players Association. Based on the standardized gameday reports, it is clear to both parties that the spotters in the booth concluded that Brate was hit in the shoulder and therefore did not trigger the concussion protocols. As soon as medical personnel identified concussion symptoms, they removed Brate from the game.”

The NFL Players Association has informed PFT that it reviewed the situation as well, and that it backs that assessment.

Beyond the fact that Brate did indeed sustain a concussion (as proven by the fact that he was removed from play, but only after returning for several snaps before halftime), the video doesn’t indicate a blow to the shoulder. At the end of the play that started with 1:35 remaining in the first half, Brate’s head CLEARLY collides with the torso of Buccaneers receiver Chris Godwin.

The impact, combined with Brate’s reaction to it, absolutely should have prompted the two spotters (one is a Certified Athletic Trainer and the other is an Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant) to activate the protocol. We reject flatly and unequivocally the contention by the NFL and the NFLPA that Brate did not receive an impact to the head.

We realize that things are a little dicey right now, given the Tua Tagovailoa situation. There’s a natural inclination to circle the wagons. To look the other way so as not to make the heat too hot in the kitchen. Perhaps even to trot out some good, old-fashioned alternative facts. That’s absolutely the wrong approach.

While the system may not be “broken” (as Hall of Fame coach Tony Dungy described it), the system failed in this situation. Brate received impact to the head. Everyone saw it. Everyone, apparently, except the two people who are paid to see it.

And if the league and the union can’t see that, maybe there should be a governmental agency that manages (and, as needed, micromanages) the game of professional football.
 
What's her choice? Hang around and watch the father of her children turn into a vegetable. I'm no brain surgeon, but getting hit in the head must be worse for a 40 something than a 20 something.

Watt? I thought he would have retired by now and become a Hollywood action hero. Has to be some comic book character still available. JJ has broken damn near everything in his body. Now he's going after his heart and everyone else's.
She knew what she was getting into with him when they got together.

I lol at people wanting Brady to quit. He obviously still loves the game and is probably still the best QB in the NFL. I don't get some people wanting to put him out to pasture.

He's the GOAT and a treasure let him play as long as he wants to play.
 
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