Early impressions - 2022 Texans.

[banned1976]

Like the Browns? If you love a guy in 23,then draft him. If not, build the team and draft in 24. Don't draft a QB in 23 just because you can.

It's not like if you draft a quarterback in the first round you don't get to draft again. I think if you like a guy and you feel like you can grow to love him, draft him. Mahomes had plenty of work to do when he came out and what did the Chiefs do? They had him sit for a year. That still happens.

I've never understood the either/or way of thinking. You can draft a quarterback AND build the team at the same time. In fact, the quarterback is a part of the rebuild. I mean, if you draft one. Besides that, the Texans already have begun to rebuild. They had some bad luck with Metchie. Pitre and Pierce look like they're going to pan out. I don't know how Green has looked. Hopefully he can be a big piece of the puzzle on the line.

 

[JB]

It's not like if you draft a quarterback in the first round you don't get to draft again. I think if you like a guy and you feel like you can grow to love him, draft him. Mahomes had plenty of work to do when he came out and what did the Chiefs do? They had him sit for a year. That still happens.

I've never understood the either/or way of thinking. You can draft a quarterback AND build the team at the same time. In fact, the quarterback is a part of the rebuild. I mean, if you draft one. Besides that, the Texans already have begun to rebuild. They had some bad luck with Metchie. Pitre and Pierce look like they're going to pan out. I don't know how Green has looked. Hopefully he can be a big piece of the puzzle on the line.

I was commenting on your comment to draft a QB early each and every year until you find one. That is just like the Browns who passed all kind of talent and extended their rebuild by years. And they still had to pay a premium trading for a competent QB hoping he will take them to the promised land. Isn't it better to build a competent team first and then draft your QB?

 

[thunderkyss]

Mahomes had plenty of work to do when he came out and what did the Chiefs do?

They traded up to get him. They loved him, many people did.

You can draft a quarterback AND build the team at the same time.

Eh... most teams that do, don't do too well. Most QBs, 1st round or whatever, fail. That's a fact

I just don't see the point if you can't run & you can't play defense. You're asking that QB to do a lot.

The Texans need to start drafting well & start coaching well.

If I were a QB there are about six teams I would not want to draft me. The Texans are one of them. Because they don't appear to know what they're doing

 

[Texansballer74]

It's not like if you draft a quarterback in the first round you don't get to draft again. I think if you like a guy and you feel like you can grow to love him, draft him. Mahomes had plenty of work to do when he came out and what did the Chiefs do? They had him sit for a year. That still happens.

I've never understood the either/or way of thinking. You can draft a quarterback AND build the team at the same time. In fact, the quarterback is a part of the rebuild. I mean, if you draft one. Besides that, the Texans already have begun to rebuild. They had some bad luck with Metchie. Pitre and Pierce look like they're going to pan out. I don't know how Green has looked. Hopefully he can be a big piece of the puzzle on the line.

Green has looked really good

 

[Texansballer74]

They traded up to get him. They loved him, many people did.

Eh... most teams that do, don't do too well. Most QBs, 1st round or whatever, fail. That's a fact

I just don't see the point if you can't run & you can't play defense. You're asking that QB to do a lot.

The Texans need to start drafting well & start coaching well.

If I were a QB there are about six teams I would not want to draft me. The Texans are one of them. Because they don't appear to know what they're doing

Dude the draft is hit or miss. On the flip side there are so many teams that drafted their quarterbacks in the first round and have been successful. Like you said that’s a fact too. My thing is you can’t be scared to miss. If you go about it with that type of mentality, you will never be successful.

 

[steelbtexan]

That’s your guy who very well won’t be Caserio’s and Texans guy.
Dude wtf settling had to do with anything. Lol off the chains. Stroud is got darn beast. Drafting him is not settling.

I don't think Stroud is a beast.

Is he Brady/Manning/Elway/Montana?

Nope, is he May Ryan, Tua, Stafford being generous? Maybe

 

[steelbtexan]

Dude the draft is hit or miss. On the flip side there are so many teams that drafted their quarterbacks in the first round and have been successful. Like you said that’s a fact too. My thing is you can’t be scared to miss. If you go about it with that type of mentality, you will never be successful.

Agreed, but there's a difference between being scared to miss vs settling on a very good QB so you can win a few more games and maybe make the playoffs. Vs what I'm talking about.

 

[Texansballer74]

I don't think Stroud is a beast.

Is he Brady/Manning/Elway/Montana?

Nope, is he May Ryan, Tua, Stafford being generous? Maybe

Don’t have to be those guys. Let them who they are.
Mahomas, Allen, Burrow and Herbert aren’t those guys either. So I really don’t understand why you keep throwing their names around.

 

[Texansballer74]

Agreed, but there's a difference between being scared to miss vs settling on a very good QB so you can win a few more games and maybe make the playoffs. Vs what I'm talking about.

If the Texans draft someone like Stroud. That does not mean they’re settling. That means they think he’s a franchise type player who they could build around.

 

[JB]

If the Texans draft someone like Stroud. That does not mean they’re settling. That means they think he’s a franchise type player who they could build around.

But if they don't think he's a franchise QB you think they should draft him anyway because he's a beast?

 

[thunderkyss]

My thing is you can’t be scared to miss. If you go about it with that type of mentality, you will never be successful.

You're not paying attention if that's what you think I'm saying.

This team drafted Deshaun Watson after 5 years still hadn't got past the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Something is terribly wrong with this team that goes beyond QB. This team needs to address that.

& I've said a few times already, if they see their guy, they need to go get him. But I'm not going to be mad at them if they pass on Stroud, or any QB in this draft.

 

[steelbtexan]

Don’t have to be those guys. Let them who they are.
Mahomas, Allen, Burrow and Herbert aren’t those guys either. So I really don’t understand why you keep throwing their names around.

Because all of the guys you listed have special traits that Stroud doesn't and I'm not saying Stroud's a bad QB, he's just in the 10-15 range and that will doom a franchise, particularly with the rookie contracts and agents like the trash that's representing him look at things. If Stroud ws a transcendent player I would be willing to deal with this. He's not IMHO, so I'm trading down for more picks in this draft and more in 2024 when I have a great shot at getting the QB I want.

 

[steelbtexan]

If the Texans draft someone like Stroud. That does not mean they’re settling. That means they think he’s a franchise type player who they could build around.

If the Texans draft someone like Stroud. That does not mean they’re settling. That means they think he’s a franchise type player who they could build around.

I would disagree with them.

Honest question, do you think theMcNair's will allow a Stroud pick after they just finally took out the trash and it cost them another 30 mil to take the trash out, then they're going to jump back in bed immediately with the same trash? I'm betting that ain't happening.

 

[steelbtexan]

You're not paying attention if that's what you think I'm saying.

This team drafted Deshaun Watson after 5 years still hadn't got past the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Something is terribly wrong with this team that goes beyond QB. This team needs to address that.

& I've said a few times already, if they see their guy, they need to go get him. But I'm not going to be mad at them if they pass on Stroud, or any QB in this draft.

A man who realizes the errors of the past.

 

[Texansballer74]

You're not paying attention if that's what you think I'm saying.

This team drafted Deshaun Watson after 5 years still hadn't got past the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Something is terribly wrong with this team that goes beyond QB. This team needs to address that.

& I've said a few times already, if they see their guy, they need to go get him. But I'm not going to be mad at them if they pass on Stroud, or any QB in this draft.

I pay very close attention to everything that’s posted on here. I’m on this site just as much as you. So come on don’t come at in that manner.

 

[Texansballer74]

But if they don't think he's a franchise QB you think they should draft him anyway because he's a beast?

Then he’s not their damn guy. But if they do draft him I guess you’re going to be on here bleeping huh. Or if another team draft him and he is a franchise quarterback you’ll be on here talking about how they passed on him.
And heck yeah the dude is a beast . He’s freaking good. Go watch his game smart one.

 

[Texansballer74]

I would disagree with them.

Honest question, do you think theMcNair's will allow a Stroud pick after they just finally took out the trash and it cost them another 30 mil to take the trash out, then they're going to jump back in bed immediately with the same trash? I'm betting that ain't happening.

Ohio State quarterback C.J. Stroud is one of the top prospects, regardless of position, as the college football season progresses and we look ahead to the 2023 NFL Draft. Last season, Stroud won Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year after leading the nation's most prolific offense. He then capped his redshirt freshman season with a magnificent showing in the Rose Bowl, going 37-for-46 with a whopping 573 passing yards and six touchdowns.

Dude we have a totally new GM who you have praised. So let the man work.

 

[steelbtexan]

Ohio State quarterback C.J. Stroud is one of the top prospects, regardless of position, as the college football season progresses and we look ahead to the 2023 NFL Draft. Last season, Stroud won Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year after leading the nation's most prolific offense. He then capped his redshirt freshman season with a magnificent showing in the Rose Bowl, going 37-for-46 with a whopping 573 passing yards and six touchdowns.

Dude we have a totally new GM who you have praised. So let the man work.

What kind of numbers did Fields put up 2 yrs ago in that system?

If Caserio picks Stroud I will root for him to succeed and hope I'm wrong.

 

[TexansBull]

You just keep going around and around.
You were saying that you wouldn't draft a QB until you had put a team strong enough to support him, but then you change your tune when it comes to Mills.
That's having your cake and eat it, too.

I'm just calling you (though a few others are being implied by me as well) out on it.

No biggie.
Just something to pass the time.

I believe the issue has already been laid out pretty well, no need to go further.

Peace.

Seriously?

If you were paying attention you would realize that I was talking about a first round draft pick. Top 5 where we may be drafting specifically. A 3rd round isn’t close to the same capital.

It is really funny that you hadn’t figured it out. That must be the reason the logic passed you by.

Don’t worry. You shouldn’t be too embarrassed.

Deuces.

 

[Texansballer74]

What kind of numbers did Fields put up 2 yrs ago in that system?

If Caserio picks Stroud I will root for him to succeed and hope I'm wrong.

Why are you bringing up Fields, totally different quarterback.

And surly you won’t. That’s how you have always conducted yourself around here when they don’t draft who you wants.

 

[steelbtexan]

Why are you bringing up Fields, totally different quarterback.

And surly you won’t. That’s how you have always conducted yourself around here when they don’t draft who you wants.

Same system though. Would you say Haskins (RIP) and Stroud have more in common? Great numbers.

Wrong, but I will point out the error of their ways when I'm right.

 

[Thorn]

Something is terribly wrong with this team that goes beyond QB. This team needs to address that.

This can't be said enough.

There is optimism in that if Caserio is as good as some of us think (or maybe just hope) and IF he is allowed to run things on his own, and IF he finds the right HC and IF IF IF. If ya know what I mean.

 

[JB]

Then he’s not their damn guy. But if they do draft him I guess you’re going to be on here bleeping huh. Or if another team draft him and he is a franchise quarterback you’ll be on here talking about how they passed on him.
And heck yeah the dude is a beast . He’s freaking good. Go watch his game smart one.

Why don't you answer the question I asked you instead of making sh!t up about what I would do in some hypothetical situation and attacking me for not agreeing with you? Is that all you do and how you handle everything?

edit: Upon reading your response to SteelB I see that it is. I think you would rather attack than debate... sad

 

[Texansballer74]

Why don't you answer the question I asked you instead of making sh!t up about what I would do in some hypothetical situation and attacking me for not agreeing with you? Is that all you do and how you handle everything?

edit: Upon reading your response to SteelB I see that it is. I think you would rather attack than debate... sad

Man bump you and your freaking question. Who the bleep you suppose to be.
Better yet how about we both put each other on block. That way we don’t see each other comments

 

[leebigeztx]

You just keep going around and around.
You were saying that you wouldn't draft a QB until you had put a team strong enough to support him, but then you change your tune when it comes to Mills.
That's having your cake and eat it, too.

I'm just calling you (though a few others are being implied by me as well) out on it.

No biggie.
Just something to pass the time.

I believe the issue has already been laid out pretty well, no need to go further.

Peace.

Pretty much. That's how posters do and lack consistency. Oh no, build the trenches, then get the qb. Well, Mills could've been a trench player too. No,no, Mills got upside, lol. It took 15 years to get a qb the caliber of Watson and had to move up a bunch of spots to get him. If they grade out a qb as a franchise altering guy,they should draft him and continue to build out the team. If not, the Jaguars are going to be walking away from this division for awhile because Lawrence looks to be turning the corner and they still have a boatload of cap space.

 

[leebigeztx]

Because he sucked at hitting 50-50 on great players in the 3rd and couldn't even hit on avg depth players in the 3rd. In short the answer is, he had 12 yrs to try to build a championship level team and the Texans org never even sniffed a championship during his tenure. There are posters on this MB that could've done a much better job drafting than RS did during his time down on Kirby. In fact the franchise is still trying to recover from his decision to draft a pervert to lead the franchise.

Nobody on this board could draft with their career on the line better than any of those guys doing it now or in the past. Nobody on this board is watching the same film as those guys or interviewing those players, etc.. They're not perfect because you're talking about 22 yr old young men. Bobby Bethard drafted Ryan Leaf, the same Bobby Bethard who helped construct those Washington Superbowl teams, So did he all of a sudden forget how to evaluate the qb?

 

[leebigeztx]

Wrong, I've got my guy in 2024.

Do you think there's a special QB in this draft? Or are you ok with settling because you don't think Mills is the guy

The Texans org has spent the last 20 years doing things the way you're suggesting. Where has that gotten them?

Like Peterman huh?

 

[austins23]

Even if they were 3-0 they would still be a bad football team. I forget who posted the stats? Most rushing yds given up by a good margin. 0 wr tds and leading the league in drops. Yeah, there's a problem. How can a young QB gain confidence with that lack of production from his receivers and Burkhead sucks as a 3rd down RB. No QB is going to look like we want them too, with trash like that to work with. BTW, I'm beginning to question whether Mills is the future, but still don't want to force a QB pick next draft.

And 0 for forever on 3rd and 1!! Who the hell can’t get one damn yard in like 14 tries!? Let’s put Burkhead in, he’ll get it!

 

[JB]

Pretty much. That's how posters do and lack consistency. Oh no, build the trenches, then get the qb. Well, Mills could've been a trench player too. No,no, Mills got upside, lol. It took 15 years to get a qb the caliber of Watson and had to move up a bunch of spots to get him. If they grade out a qb as a franchise altering guy,they should draft him and continue to build out the team. If not, the Jaguars are going to be walking away from this division for awhile because Lawrence looks to be turning the corner and they still have a boatload of cap space.

Mills was never supposed to be THE guy. He was a 3rd round pick that might work out. Otherwise you got it right. If there is a QB they love and think is THE guy, they should absolutely draft him. Just don't draft one because Mills ain't your guy

 

[TheRealJoker]

Because all of the guys you listed have special traits that Stroud doesn't and I'm not saying Stroud's a bad QB, he's just in the 10-15 range and that will doom a franchise, particularly with the rookie contracts and agents like the trash that's representing him look at things. If Stroud ws a transcendent player I would be willing to deal with this. He's not IMHO, so I'm trading down for more picks in this draft and more in 2024 when I have a great shot at getting the QB I want.

Agreed. The Texans are never taking a player represented by Mulughetta again.

 

[TexansBull]

Mills was never supposed to be THE guy. He was a 3rd round pick that might work out. Otherwise you got it right. If there is a QB they love and think is THE guy, they should absolutely draft him. Just don't draft one because Mills ain't your guy

It’s always surprising to me how posters will twist words around when they have no other substance to their argument. Or create things out of thin air because they can create an valid counterpoint.

 

[TexansBull]

Agreed. The Texans are never taking a player represented by Mulughetta again.

I also hope they never put a not trade clause into another contract.

 

[steelbtexan]

Agreed. The Texans are never taking a player represented by Mulughetta again.

Unless there's an Elway type prospect they shouldn't.

 

[steelbtexan]

Like Peterman huh?

Lol,

Peterman was never my guy

Show me where I ever had him going in the 1st rd. I think you're thinking of Tex.

I noticed that you didn't address the meat of my post, which is what I wanted you to address.

 

[steelbtexan]

Nobody on this board could draft with their career on the line better than any of those guys doing it now or in the past. Nobody on this board is watching the same film as those guys or interviewing those players, etc.. They're not perfect because you're talking about 22 yr old young men. Bobby Bethard drafted Ryan Leaf, the same Bobby Bethard who helped construct those Washington Superbowl teams, So did he all of a sudden forget how to evaluate the qb?

Totally disagree with you.

You don't realize how bad they were

If you can run a business , which obviously you can and had a passion for the draft and put all of your time into it then you could do a better job than Cassserly/RS did. This ain't brain surgery

 

[thunderkyss]

If they grade out a qb as a franchise altering guy,they should draft him and continue to build out the team. If not, the Jaguars are going to be walking away from this division for awhile because Lawrence looks to be turning the corner and they still have a boatload of cap space.

Completely agree. If…

& I believe we’ve all said as much. The argument now is one guy is saying Stroud is that guy & the Texans should get him. Everyone else is saying let the season play out. Well, one guy is saying all Ohio State QBs are trash. But other than that…

& yeah, it would be nice to manage the cap & draft as well as the Jaguars. But if we don’t, we could draft Tom Brady in his prime & the Jags would still run away from us.

That’s all I’m saying

 

[TexansBull]

Completely agree. If…

& I believe we’ve all said as much. The argument now is one guy is saying Stroud is that guy & the Texans should get him. Everyone else is saying let the season play out. Well, one guy is saying all Ohio State QBs are trash. But other than that…

& yeah, it would be nice to manage the cap & draft as well as the Jaguars. But if we don’t, we could draft Tom Brady in his prime & the Jags would still run away from us.

That’s all I’m saying

The irony of the Jags situation is that we could have a similar salary cap situation where we are flushed with cash and can spend freely. The Jags created controversy by overpaying some of their free agent receivers. Hopefully we don’t do the same.

But just like some of us are saying - there was 2 years that a filler QB played while the Jags bolstered other sides of the ball. Who was that QB? - Gardner Minshew.

And Miami had two years of Fitzpatrick, Chiefs had Alex Smith…other examples as well.

 

[76Texan]

The irony of the Jags situation is that we could have a similar salary cap situation where we are flushed with cash and can spend freely. The Jags created controversy by overpaying some of their free agent receivers. Hopefully we don’t do the same.

But just like some of us are saying - there was 2 years that a filler QB played while the Jags bolstered other sides of the ball. Who was that QB? - Gardner Minshew.

And Miami had two years of Fitzpatrick, Chiefs had Alex Smith…other examples as well.

Right.
And they got Minshew in the 6th.

 

[thunderkyss]

The irony of the Jags situation is that we could have a similar salary cap situation where we are flushed with cash and can spend freely.

To be clear I only mentioned the Jags because he did. I think the Jags are very much like the Texans. Poorly run & prone to shooting themselves in the feet.

Looks like a little light at the end of the tunnel, then it turns out to be a freight train headed your way.

 

[djohn2oo8]

Herbert is injured what are you talking about? Dude you’re missing the freaking point. Question is why. Herbert is actually going through his got darn reads. Herbert is top 4 in passing. Mills isn’t even in the top 20. Josh is leading the freaking league in passing. My point is dude , the Texans wouldn’t be 0-2-1. Mills is playing incompetent and that’s the bottom line. I don’t care that it’s only year 2 for him. He’s not performing like he did in the last five games of last season.

Technically he has just finished his first full season. If you are that impatient that’s you. Allen wasn’t even Allen his first year in the league. Also has a completely different OC who seems so far not to know what he is doing.

 

[djohn2oo8]

So three guys, Allen, Mahomes and Herbert, all with superior athleticsm and arm talents, who had also more playing experience in college, can't develop, but Mills has a chance?
What kind of logic is that?

Exactly.

 

[djohn2oo8]

Pretty much. That's how posters do and lack consistency. Oh no, build the trenches, then get the qb. Well, Mills could've been a trench player too. No,no, Mills got upside, lol. It took 15 years to get a qb the caliber of Watson and had to move up a bunch of spots to get him. If they grade out a qb as a franchise altering guy,they should draft him and continue to build out the team. If not, the Jaguars are going to be walking away from this division for awhile because Lawrence looks to be turning the corner and they still have a boatload of cap space.

Great teams who have been built out first have won with average QBs…..

 

[justmy2cents]

You're not paying attention if that's what you think I'm saying.

This team drafted Deshaun Watson after 5 years still hadn't got past the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Something is terribly wrong with this team that goes beyond QB. This team needs to address that.

& I've said a few times already, if they see their guy, they need to go get him. But I'm not going to be mad at them if they pass on Stroud, or any QB in this draft.

Do you feel that Casserio does not have the final say on player evaluation and acquisition .... honest question !

 

[Texansballer74]

Nobody on this board could draft with their career on the line better than any of those guys doing it now or in the past. Nobody on this board is watching the same film as those guys or interviewing those players, etc.. They're not perfect because you're talking about 22 yr old young men. Bobby Bethard drafted Ryan Leaf, the same Bobby Bethard who helped construct those Washington Superbowl teams, So did he all of a sudden forget how to evaluate the qb?

Exactly

 

[Texansballer74]

Great teams who have been built out first have won with average QBs…..

Most definitely, I don’t think anyone is disputing that known fact. But teams have built successful teams with top notch quarterbacks too. The Texans just can’t get it done either way. That’s why most of us hope Caserio do. So far he’s been pretty good drafting.

 

[justmy2cents]

Bryce Young may be out for the season - throwing shoulder injury !

 

[Texansballer74]

Technically he has just finished his first full season. If you are that impatient that’s you. Allen wasn’t even Allen his first year in the league. Also has a completely different OC who seems so far not to know what he is doing.

This is not his first season is my point and he doesn’t look like he’s regressed either. Mills worked with Pep all of last season and he knows the version of the Stanford offense that’s being employed.

 

[Texansballer74]

Bryce Young may be out for the season - throwing shoulder injury !

Just saw that, he’s ticked off too.

 

[badboy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576297482237186048

 

[76Texan]

To be clear I only mentioned the Jags because he did. I think the Jags are very much like the Texans. Poorly run & prone to shooting themselves in the feet.

Looks like a little light at the end of the tunnel, then it turns out to be a freight train headed your way.

How dare you compare the Texans to the Jags.
They've only been to the Conference Championship Game 4 times.