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seriously?
Yep, agree.seriously?
Nick just said they had the opportunity to trade into the 20s, they decided not to.Kenyon Green. .
Still I was shocked he was drafted before 20. .
But if he's the Texans guy, he's the Texans guy. I would have liked to have seen another trade down, into the 20s
To each his own but if DS is a perennial pro bowler it’s got to be an A all day. If we get Patrick Peterson out of DS then NC nailed it. I have no doubt Green will be a solid mean tough OG so if both those pan out then it’s an A from me all day. Right now B. I wanted Neal and Hamilton But I’m not unhappy. It’s all a crapshoot.Yep, agree.
If Stingley's injuries are behind him and he turns out to be a perennial pro bowler, this first round will be a B+
Posters are always talking out of both sides of their mouths. “That’s a reach, there’s great value later” so which is it? (not specifically you TK) So no I’m glad we didn’t trade back in. We need players and lots of them. More picks, more players, better odds in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc etc. If there is so much value later then we’re in a REALLY good position with the picks we have. We all know that after day one that is where the real work is done.Nick just said they had the opportunity to trade into the 20s, they decided not to.
I'm dropping my KG grade to a D+
Maybe they trade to 23 & someone takes Green at 21. I'm fine with that because Linderbaum is still on the board. Not to mention the guy taken at 21. I can't imagine Castereo grades Green that much higher than the other players that were there at 23 or whatever.
If so, that's another reason for the poor grade.
Funny you talked about speaking out of both sides of our mouths (no offense taken, no offense intended).So no I’m glad we didn’t trade back in. We need players and lots of them. More picks, more players, better odds in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc etc.
Exactly, not one player has stepped on the field. Who knows what will occur, we don’t right now. Sure if we drafted a TE and a punter in the first round that’s a FI like that the Texans rolled the dice and went for greatness with Stingley. He has that kind of talent and his athleticism looks fully back. Being able to practice against (and lock up) the likes of Justin Jefferson and Ja'marr Chase is impressive to me. Sauce would seem to have less risk, but Stingley's upside is real and applaud them. So, I give them an A for that pick.
Looking at where other interior linemen were drafted, I don't think Green would have been available much later. Green will upgrade their running game straight away and if they want to evaluate Mills, this will help. They were able to get some draft capital to possibly get back into the 2nd, or third round, to boot. This was a more conservative pick, but I see the logic. I give the pick a B.
Draft grades are pretty dumb, but I could not resist.
yea but didn’t they??Funny you talked about speaking out of both sides of our mouths (no offense taken, no offense intended).
But if you trade down & get the player you wanted, you get more picks to get more players
To me it's not about how the player turns out. Coaching & a lot of other things will factor in to what that player is going to be.Exactly, not one player has stepped on the field. Who knows what will occur, we don’t right now. Sure if we drafted a TE and a punter in the first round that’s a F
yea but didn’t they??
What if you dont get the player you wanted after trading down?Funny you talked about speaking out of both sides of our mouths (no offense taken, no offense intended).
But if you trade down & get the player you wanted, you get more picks to get more players
To me it's not about how the player turns out. Coaching & a lot of other things will factor in to what that player is going to be.
Titans traded away a really good WR for a WR that might be vary good. That's not a good move. Picking up an extra 3rd helps.
Disagree on the overpay idea - if you think a guy is the best guy for your team at the time, you take him.C- bordering on D. Both picks were overpays and at 3 I really dislike taking a gamble. Stingley is, at best, a gamble and definition of #3 shouldn’t be “gamble” even if he pans out. Hearing trade down was an option and similar graded players or even Green could have been there makes this a no bueno round for me.
Who did well? The Jets killed it and did the exact opposite of us in getting value at each pick.
AJB has an injury history and was going to get paid, business decision, I get itTo me it's not about how the player turns out. Coaching & a lot of other things will factor in to what that player is going to be.
Titans traded away a really good WR for a WR that might be vary good. That's not a good move. Picking up an extra 3rd helps.
Nick just said they had the opportunity to trade into the 20s, they decided not to.
I'm dropping my KG grade to a D+
Maybe they trade to 23 & someone takes Green at 21. I'm fine with that because Linderbaum is still on the board. Not to mention the guy taken at 21. I can't imagine Castereo grades Green that much higher than the other players that were there at 23 or whatever.
If so, that's another reason for the poor grade.
Of course you didnt know at the time Linderbaum would still be on the board nor did you mention that NC specifically said he was concerned with the five players that would come off the board before he would pick at 20. im betting Green will be a pillar for years and is exactly what the Texans want/need to beat the man in front of them.Nick just said they had the opportunity to trade into the 20s, they decided not to.
I'm dropping my KG grade to a D+
Maybe they trade to 23 & someone takes Green at 21. I'm fine with that because Linderbaum is still on the board. Not to mention the guy taken at 21. I can't imagine Castereo grades Green that much higher than the other players that were there at 23 or whatever.
If so, that's another reason for the poor grade.
That will be a different grade all together. Nick will be judged today on this draft.Disagree, how the player turns out is all that matters.
Good points. I’m not denying any of that. I’ll also add I don’t know who those 5 players were. Of my 5 players, three were still there.Of course you didnt know at the time Linderbaum would still be on the board nor did you mention that NC specifically said he was concerned with the five players that would come off the board before he would pick at 20. im betting Green will be a pillar for years and is exactly what the Texans want/need to beat the man in front of them.
And a WR.If I looked at it right, Nick ended up with 4 picks this year from unloading Towel Boy to the Browns. Good on him and thank you Cleveland.
I'm indifferent on the Stingley pick. Let's hope his foot holds up and he turns out to be awesome.
I like the Green pick. I've been saying all along the Line needs big nasties! He is one. Time for an edge rusher and a RB.
That will be a different grade all together. Nick will be judged today on this draft.
Just like “we” felt good about his draft right after the 2021 draft, we are going to feel one way or the other about this draft as soon as it’s over.
We feel one way or the other after every pick.
We base these feelings on what we know now. We can quantify that feeling with a grade.
You gave Green the highest OL grade in this draft. That won’t change even if he busts. That will be a totally different grade on totally different criteria
I disagree with the overall strategy in round one. The tackle class is weak with two shining stars at the top of the draft. Cross was a little lower and then the talent goes way down. Tunsil is here for a finite time. Could have drafted Icky for guard and seamlessly slid him over when Tunsil leaves.
On the other hand, corner is a deep position in this draft.
Then, the Texans have three 3rds and three 4ths. They could have been aggressive like the Jets but took a passive role. If they really wanted to, I believe they could have drafted Icky 3 and moved back up into the top ten and picJed Stingley w/o losing much.
Hopefully a strategy starts to reveal itself.
True. But if anything this shows the Texans aren't ready to make a decision on Tunsil right now.Tunsil is here for a finite time.
If Green busts my feelings will change
frankly I think giving grades on draft night is dumb
^^^DITTO THIS^^^Nick just said they had the opportunity to trade into the 20s, they decided not to.
I'm dropping my KG grade to a D+
Maybe they trade to 23 & someone takes Green at 21. I'm fine with that because Linderbaum is still on the board. Not to mention the guy taken at 21. I can't imagine Castereo grades Green that much higher than the other players that were there at 23 or whatever.
If so, that's another reason for the poor grade.
Totally agree with the trading back for more picks comment. Almost to a man this board wanted to trade one of our firsts for more picks and now we have them - as well as a major piece for our Oline. He should be our answer to Colts Quentin Nelson.One of the picks the Texans received for Watson, the 13th overall was used to obtain even more draft capital for the Texans by trading back to 15th. I love that aspect of the pick - turn it into more picks = A. Whereas the Texans can certainly use a guard to help that running game and solidify the offensive line, the bigger need was at DL and edge. The Texans were terrible at stopping the run last year and getting to the quarterback. There were players available at 15 that could have helped big time in one, or maybe both of those areas. I like Kenyon Green, he was a reach at 15 and didn't address a bigger need = B-. Overall grade of B.
You have to go back to 2019 to find good tape on Stingley. I guess Caserio did leak that the Texans were going to draft Stingley at #3 (perhaps a media strategy to prime the fanbase), or maybe Amy Palcic wasn't the mole in the organization after all. Whatever the case, the Texans took an unnecessary risk to draft Stingley at #3. High ceiling, very low floor. Addresses a big need but he has to stay healthy and significant foot injury red flag isn't something you want to play around with if you're drafting a corner in the top three. C-
If you had your draft board set up right you would've known that by trading back to #20 that one or more of the following would be available, Linderbaum, Jermaine Johnson, Tyler Smith, Karlaftis, the #1 DT in the draft Wyatt, Devon Lloyd and Cole Strange would've been available AND, AND you would've pick #52 in your pocket. So you didn't want to trade back into the first round because you wanted an overweight, slow, weak OG. OK then, it's a Caserby draft.What if you dont get the player you wanted after trading down?
How many picks do you gentlemen wants. They still have 11 picks remaining. LolTotally agree with the trading back for more picks comment. Almost to a man this board wanted to trade one of our firsts for more picks and now we have them - as well as a major piece for our Oline. He should be our answer to Colts Quentin Nelson.
I reckon we're going to see a lower pick converted into another second.How many picks do you gentlemen wants. They still have 11 picks remaining. Lol
That would be a good thing.I reckon we're going to see a lower pick converted into another second.
I would like to see #80 moved up.