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Absolutely.Competing teams pay for proven veterans. Texan franchise has already thrown a butt load of capital and high picks on OL. Pretty sure it’s all on coaching. I’d rather draft for skilled positions and playmakers that can stand alone and make a difference, despite coaching.
Absolutely.
WR in the first
CB in the first
RB in the 2nd
BPA after that
That works...Sauce
Jameson
Kenneth Walker
Drafting a RB in the second round w/o the personnel to block for him doesn't make sense to me. Unadjusted DVOA for Texans run game was dead last in 2021. And what was it in 2020 you might ask? Dead last. The Texans need to improve in that category.
It's enticing to grab splashy playmakers but I don't feel like this is the year for that. Get better in the basics - blocking and tackling.
I'm beginning to think the Texans might surprise everyone and draft OT at #3 (no surprise) and ILB at #13 (pretty big surprise).
I don’t think it’s about splashy players. I don’t think it’s about the Jimmy’s & the Joes.It's enticing to grab splashy playmakers but I don't feel like this is the year for that. Get better in the basics - blocking and tackling.
he “could take his’n and beat your’n, then take your’n and beat his’n.”
Just straight up yards and ypg, the Texans were 32nd in both categories in 2021. They scored running the ball 8 times, tied for worst.I don’t think it’s about splashy players. I don’t think it’s about the Jimmy’s & the Joes.
It’s been said
we need to get some of that. I’m not against improving the OL talent. But I don’t think they were as bad as their DVOA
I hope you're right but the last guy replaced Devlin and he was touted as being an Oline guru so I won't be holding my breath.Since Gibbs, the OL coaching has been lacking to say the least, doesn't mean Texans don't have talent. This is why I'm hopeful about this group and new OL Coach George Warhop.
He was also ZBS. As easy as it is to implement at the college level, the Texans have had trouble trying to implement it.I hope you're right but the last guy replaced Devlin and he was touted as being an Oline guru so I won't be holding my breath.
We can always hope of course.
I warned against Campen, he was Chargers OL coach before coming to Texans, worst in league. However positive about Pep Hamilton and his work with Herbert, hence my positivity towards Mills selection when everyone was dumping on the pick.I hope you're right but the last guy replaced Devlin and he was touted as being an Oline guru so I won't be holding my breath.
We can always hope of course.
Darnit, now you and @thunderkyss have given me hope for this Oline agin...I warned against Campen, he was Chargers OL coach before coming to Texans, worst in league. However positive about Pep Hamilton and his work with Herbert, hence my positivity towards Mills selection when everyone was dumping on the pick.
Warhop seems like an excellent OL coach with solid resume, a Lovie guy and great fit for Tunsil and Company!
Just because you spend high picks on players doesn't mean they're actually good. These high picks lead to a 3.0 ypc. They've now been through 2 ol coaches. At some point you have to admit you made a mistake and move on from these guys.Competing teams pay for proven veterans. Texan franchise has already thrown a butt load of capital and high picks on OL. Pretty sure it’s all on coaching. I’d rather draft for skilled positions and playmakers that can stand alone and make a difference, despite coaching.
Either it's on coaching or scouting.Competing teams pay for proven veterans. Texan franchise has already thrown a butt load of capital and high picks on OL. Pretty sure it’s all on coaching. I’d rather draft for skilled positions and playmakers that can stand alone and make a difference, despite coaching.
I don’t think it’s about splashy players. I don’t think it’s about the Jimmy’s & the Joes.
It’s been said
we need to get some of that. I’m not against improving the OL talent. But I don’t think they were as bad as their DVOA
Either it's on coaching or scouting.
All of the ol coaches suck, it couldn't be the talent?Since Gibbs, the OL coaching has been lacking to say the least, doesn't mean Texans don't have talent. This is why I'm hopeful about this group and new OL Coach George Warhop.
New scheme and coaches should help, but I'm with you on the need to take a stud up high.I think they were what the numbers say they were in this case. Why? Because the numbers have been the same 2 yrs in a row under 2 different ol coaches. How many years of finishing last do they have to have before you admit there's a problem?
I'm going with scouting.Either it's on coaching or scouting.
I remember vividly the moment they took Howard and my first thought was"kneejerk" - Philly jumped up and nabbed Dillard in that one.I'm going with scouting.
These guys are below avg players. It sucks that they were drafted so high. But it is what it is.
I remember vividly the moment they took Howard and my first thought was"kneejerk" - Philly jumped up and nabbed Dillard in that one.
Turns out Dillard ain't all that either.
Normally I agree, but we all know last year was a wasted year with the puppet coaches.I think they were what the numbers say they were in this case. Why? Because the numbers have been the same 2 yrs in a row under 2 different ol coaches.
I agree on Scharping.I look at how they play and in any scheme Scharping is a backup level player. Howard's avg at best.
I think it’s been hard to truly evaluate Howard because he’s been bounced around the line so much. He shows flashes, but consistency is the key.I agree on Scharping.
I’m not sold Howard is avg at best. But if he is, the run game should have been better than it was, which points to coaching.
I have no problem improving both guard positions. I just don’t think #3 & #13 is the best spots to do it
Tend to agree. Decent OL are more often found in lower rounds than good edges - generally speaking. Iow, you are more likely to find a top tier OL later and this draft looks fairly deep for them.I agree on Scharping.
I’m not sold Howard is avg at best. But if he is, the run game should have been better than it was, which points to coaching.
I have no problem improving both guard positions. I just don’t think #3 & #13 is the best spots to do it
Normally I agree, but we all know last year was a wasted year with the puppet coaches.
Laremy Tunsil was on that line for two years, producing those numbers, but you still refer to him as a pro bowler, refuse to trade him & have no issue with his $38M cap hiring 2023.
It’s not all about the players.
Sharping looked like a solid pick as a rookie, then he was bounced around. Key word from Warhop about OL is “consistency” Texan OL has had none of that. It takes a couple years to gel even with best of talent. No this has been mismanaged for years, y’all will see a change this year I’m sure for the better. No where to go but up. Still need to take bpa that lift both offense and defense.
Neal will be an upgrade on our line, but I'm starting to lean Ekwonu.Give me Evan Neal at 3 and Jordan Davis at 13.
Scharping won't make it it out of training camp. If he even makes it to camp.Sharping looked like a solid pick as a rookie, then he was bounced around.
I haven't had an issue with his pass blocking.I think it’s been hard to truly evaluate Howard because he’s been bounced around the line so much. He shows flashes, but consistency is the key.
You're missing the point, again, it's not about counting beans. If you're gutting the OL because they avg 3.0 ypc, then you gut it.Keep on counting those beans.
Caserio considers these guys to be cornerstones of the rebuild. You don't.
Tunsil missed most of last year. So no I don't see him in the same light as Howard. Also let Howard make a couple of pro bowls and we will talk. Obviously Caserios actions says he agrees with me more than you. I get why you don't like Caserio, I wouldn't either if I was in your shoes.You're missing the point, again, it's not about counting beans. If you're gutting the OL because they avg 3.0 ypc, then you gut it.
Tunsil is just as much responsible for that as Howard.
But you don't see it that way. You've separated Tunsil from the 3.0 ypc.
I think Howard should be separated as well.
Not asking you to look at them in the same light. Asking you to use the same logic. If the 3.0 ypc for the last two years do not reflect negatively on Tunsil it shouldn't reflect negatively on Howard.missed most of last year. So no I don't see him in the same light as Howard.
Tunsil was part of that. 2 yrs. That's what I'm arguingI think they were what the numbers say they were in this case. Why? Because the numbers have been the same 2 yrs in a row under 2 different ol coaches.
Keep on counting those beans.
Caserio considers these guys to be cornerstones of the rebuild. You don't.
I'm glad Caserio is running things and you aren't.
Can someone tell me how the Texans were able to run the ball before Hopkins was traded vs below average after the trade? What changed?
Can someone tell me how the Texans were able to run the ball before Hopkins was traded vs below average after the trade? What changed?
They had to respect the pass.I'm in the camp of it was a scheme and rb room problem moreso than oline problem. The 2 teams in the superbowl weren't good rushing teams. TB with Brady wasn't either.
Neal will be an upgrade on our line, but I'm starting to lean Ekwonu.
Davis will be a nice add too
Bingo. So there is always a light box and safeties back. Under BOB they were never a great running offense, but respectable especially since Watson was getting 400 yds running also. They let Hyde go for pennies, trade Hopkins, and now they can't even be respectable. To me if they add someone like Williams and a rb who can at least make someone miss, the run game improves enough to be respectable. Your running back has to be able to make people miss and break tackles in the hole. Also having a pass game that teams fear helps also.They had to respect the pass.
I do not consider Tunsil to be a cornerstone. What do you think he'd do, if they told him they were going to pay him according to his performance ? Seriously .... do you think he would still have a hang nail ? Could you call him a team player ? I have a lot more respect for a player with little talent, who busts his a$$ while trying to do a good job !
Bingo. So there is always a light box and safeties back. Under BOB they were never a great running offense, but respectable especially since Watson was getting 400 yds running also. They let Hyde go for pennies, trade Hopkins, and now they can't even be respectable. To me if they add someone like Williams and a rb who can at least make someone miss, the run game improves enough to be respectable. Your running back has to be able to make people miss and break tackles in the hole. Also having a pass game that teams fear helps also.
Not asking you to look at them in the same light. Asking you to use the same logic. If the 3.0 ypc for the last two years do not reflect negatively on Tunsil it shouldn't reflect negatively on Howard.
Howard has issues, that's fine. You think he's avg. I'm not arguing that.
Tunsil was part of that. 2 yrs. That's what I'm arguing
Can someone tell me how the Texans were able to run the ball before Hopkins was traded vs below average after the trade? What changed?
There isn’t any wow offensive tackles worth top three pick, that’s one reason so much uncertainty. Other is two top DB’s Hamilton and Stingley both have medical red flags. Next QB class, need I say anything. That really leaves 3 edge rushers and one CB, up to teams needs and best fit I suppose.
Would be fine selecting Neal or Ekwonu, just realize it’s need over bpa. Im sure Warhop would accept either to impact his position group. In the secondary however, have no idea where to even start so would be ok with Sauce, Hamilton and Stingley finding a better fit, with more pieces around them, even though any three if healthy would be bpa in 2022 class.