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Nick Caserio - New GM

maverick512000 said:
I agree Neal is an upgrade but I don’t think it’s an upgrade we need as much as other positions. When both were healthy Tunsil and Howard were a brick wall and it was Martin in the center that rushers were running over. The defense however is in desperate need of help at pretty much all positions.
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Howard was far from a brick wall. But for this exercise let's say that I agree with you.

After this season if given the 5th yr option Howard will be making close to 15 mil. Do you think he's worth that?

This is why you draft Neal and play him at LG next yr and either decline Howard's 5th yr option and spend that money on a high level fa next off-season. Or if Howard is who you think he is, then trade Tunsil and slip Neal after getting experience into the LT position and spend the money saved in fa next off-season. Either way the ol will be much improved next yr and the 3.0 per carry will improve as well as the pass pro Neal will make Tunsil and Britt better players, plus a better ol will help the defense by keeping it off of the field.
 
steelbtexan said:
Howard was far from a brick wall. But for this exercise let's say that I agree with you.

After this season if given the 5th yr option Howard will be making close to 15 mil. Do you think he's worth that?

This is why you draft Neal and play him at LG next yr and either decline Howard's 5th yr option and spend that money on a high level fa next off-season. Or if Howard is who you think he is, then trade Tunsil and slip Neal after getting experience into the LT position and spend the money saved in fa next off-season. Either way the ol will be much improved next yr and the 3.0 per carry will improve as well as the pass pro Neal will make Tunsil and Britt better players, plus a better ol will help the defense by keeping it off of the field.
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There are alot of factors to why they couldn't run the ball. The rb room, scheme,and ol play. In my opinion, I think if you upgrade the rb room and the scheme, the run game will take care of itself. Howard should've never been switching positions from the jump. If Howard plays well at right tackle, then part of the problem of the line is solved. The Rams just showed us again and again that the salary cap means nothing and you pay him market value. The entire interior line can be upgraded morso than the tackle spots. Just my opinion
 
thunderkyss said:
So most likely the Texans won't be taking one. They'll probably go WR, RB with 3 & 13

It's what we do
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It’s what the old regime did. Caserio is getting his first crack at RD1 and RD2 picks. I’d be fairly certain that Caserio didn’t go to the “Kirby Cabinet” and pull out the “Ol’ Texans Historical RD1 and RD2 Draft Guide of Failures” to use as a reference for the 2022 NFL Draft. I look forward to seeing how Caserio and his team navigate this draft.
 
Number19 said:
Caserio will finagle three trades in the first round, but we'll still have two picks, with one being defense. With the second we'll get an IOL'man in the bottom half of the round. And we'll come out of the dealing with three extra 2nd round picks.
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It is very apparent Carstereo wants to trade one of the two 1sts and I'm fully on board with that.
Extra picks will have all the armchair draftniks in here scrambling - including me.
 
Texansphan said:
It is very apparent Carstereo wants to trade one of the two 1sts and I'm fully on board with that.
Extra picks will have all the armchair draftniks in here scrambling - including me.
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There is so many possibilities it creates uncertainty. What if picks one and two are completely off the charts so all the big five are still available at our pick. Yeh, there could be a scamble.
 
leebigeztx said:
There are alot of factors to why they couldn't run the ball. The rb room, scheme,and ol play. In my opinion, I think if you upgrade the rb room and the scheme, the run game will take care of itself. Howard should've never been switching positions from the jump. If Howard plays well at right tackle, then part of the problem of the line is solved. The Rams just showed us again and again that the salary cap means nothing and you pay him market value. The entire interior line can be upgraded morso than the tackle spots. Just my opinion
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So you actually think Howard is an above avg player and is worth picking up his 15 mil option?
 
steelbtexan said:
Howard was far from a brick wall. But for this exercise let's say that I agree with you.

After this season if given the 5th yr option Howard will be making close to 15 mil. Do you think he's worth that?

This is why you draft Neal and play him at LG next yr and either decline Howard's 5th yr option and spend that money on a high level fa next off-season. Or if Howard is who you think he is, then trade Tunsil and slip Neal after getting experience into the LT position and spend the money saved in fa next off-season. Either way the ol will be much improved next yr and the 3.0 per carry will improve as well as the pass pro Neal will make Tunsil and Britt better players, plus a better ol will help the defense by keeping it off of the field.
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I would see how Howard does this season and then based on that either sign him to a team friendly deal based on how many injuries he has had which kept him off the field or failing that then cut him. The biggest reason though not to take Neal has nothing to do with Howard or Neal its how empty of talent the defense is. Either Walker or Thibodeaux instantly become the most talented guy on the defense and with Lovie's background and defense philosophy either one could become nasty. The Texans are about to transition back into a defense focused team and that's not a bad thing because I very much think Mills could be a great game manager if not a franchise QB.
 
Thorn said:
I agree about the defense. But they should still take an o-lineman with either the 3rd or 13th pick. There's just to many good ones this year to pass up on.
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If they stay at 3, Evan Neal if he's there. There should be two big time DL at #13.
 
maverick512000 said:
Not to defend Cal but seems a lot of his mistakes stemmed from not knowing how to deal with his dad passing and him suddenly being in control. Almost right after he had to go in and fill those shoes in a place that they had worked on together and was his dad's dream. With Watson gone, and for a great haul, and Lovie as HC and Caserio as GM I'm willing to be cautiously optimistic about it. We joke about "Tommy Boy" but I hope it proves true because at the end of that movie Tommy boy actually became a great owner.
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I agree. We often joke at Cal's expense, and such is the nature of being a sports team owner when the team has not achieved much. Us sports fanatics are crazy that way, I guess. :crazy:

It's never been personal, though. I don't know Cal and have heard that he's a really nice guy. I only joke about the persona of being a team owner, since the buck stops there.

Earl34 said:
I've always thought that after Bob McNair died and the McNair family were grieving, there was a leadership void in the organization that O'Brien and Easterby exploited to advance their careers. It's the only explanation that I can come up with to explain giving control of a billion dollar franchise to those two morons.
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Yep, my thoughts, as well. Fortunately / hopefully, Nick and Lovie are the two alphas in the building now, so Cal can step back into the bushes like Homer Simpson and enjoy whatever billionaires enjoy with their time. I do think he wants to win but just didn't know how to build it and trusted the wrong guys with Bill and Jack.
 
Number19 said:
Caserio will finagle three trades in the first round, but we'll still have two picks, with one being defense. With the second we'll get an IOL'man in the bottom half of the round. And we'll come out of the dealing with three extra 2nd round picks.
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I think that is a logical move to stock up the roster then use the next two years #1’s and FA’s to start fine tuning.
 
Double Barrel said:
I agree. We often joke at Cal's expense, and such is the nature of being a sports team owner when the team has not achieved much. Us sports fanatics are crazy that way, I guess. :crazy:
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Ten years from now and if Cal is still the owner, 2032 will still be just like 2021-2022. Cal never really has a plan other than to show up at the office.
 
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Earl34 said:
I've always thought that after Bob McNair died and the McNair family were grieving, there was a leadership void in the organization that O'Brien and Easterby exploited to advance their careers. It's the only explanation that I can come up with to explain giving control of a billion dollar franchise to those two morons.
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Cal was named vice chairman of the team in 2008, and chief operating officer in 2012. Chairman in 2018. What you see is what you get. Cal's drinking problem may've become excessive during Bob McNair's illness and death and why Easterby was brought onboard shortly after to help Cal through a difficult time. Cal has a difficult time separating business from personal and why Cal has become so personally attached to Rick Smith, Jack Easterby, Bill O'Brien, Nick Caserio and now Lovie Smith.
 
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maverick512000 said:
I would see how Howard does this season and then based on that either sign him to a team friendly deal based on how many injuries he has had which kept him off the field or failing that then cut him. The biggest reason though not to take Neal has nothing to do with Howard or Neal its how empty of talent the defense is. Either Walker or Thibodeaux instantly become the most talented guy on the defense and with Lovie's background and defense philosophy either one could become nasty. The Texans are about to transition back into a defense focused team and that's not a bad thing because I very much think Mills could be a great game manager if not a franchise QB.
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I get this line of thinking.

However, you aren't going to fix everything thing that's wrong with the Calhoun's in one year, so you take the best players and don't worry about the offense/ defense thingy. Take the best players and in this case I've got Neal #1.

This will help the run game and help keep Mills well protected. Picking Neal will also help the defense by keeping it off of the field. With the lack of talent in this team Caserio should also go BPA at # 13 and if Jermaine Johnson or Davis/Wyatt are there at 13 then one of those guys would be my pick because they are BPA. IMHO
 
leebigeztx said:
If he plays like he did as a rookie except better, thats the going rate, right?
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He certainly didn't perform like a 15 mil player as a rookie. Like I said, he's not a bad player, but he's about to become an overpaid player.

Drafting Neal and spending Howard's money in fa next off-season is the way to go. You can upgrade 2 positions with say adding a fa CB with Howard's money. The RT position by drafting Neal and draft another OG in the 2023 draft. It's kind of why I hope Caserio drafts Neal at 1-3 and Salyer falls to 3-68. That would fix the ol/run game for years to come. Draft a RB late this year and draft Bijan/Charbonnett high next year and the run game will be as good as it was when Gibbs was here.
 
steelbtexan said:
And it would probably be the BPA approach.
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It could be any one of the three OT at #3 IMO. Although I'd prefer Cross for when Tunsil stubs his toe in training camp and will be out for the year. I was all for DeVonte Wyatt at #13 but the more I study Lovie's 4-3 defense the more Jordan Davis starts making sense. Since Lovie has already resigned Maliek Collins and is happy with him at UT, that leaves the NT position to fill. Jordan Davis is a 2 gap NT commanding double teams most of the time which allows Lovie to play his 2 high safeties (Tampa 2). And Jordan Davis makes a heck of an offensive blocker on the goal line.

Therefore, it would make sense to me for the Texans to go Charles Cross #3 and Jordan Davis #13. As for the edge rusher Texans desperately need, I'm loving me some Arnold Ebiketie at #37. As much as I like Travon Walker, the Texans can better improve the roster with a different #3 and #13 combination than they can by taking Walker at #3.
 
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Texian said:
It could be any one of the three OT at #3 IMO. Although I'd prefer Cross for when Tunsil stubs his toe in training camp and will be out for the year. I was all for DeVonte Wyatt at #13 but the more I study Lovie's 4-3 defense the more Jordan Davis starts making sense. Since Lovie has already resigned Maliek Collins and is happy with him at UT, that leaves the NT position to fill. Jordan Davis is a 2 gap NT commanding double teams most of the time which allows Lovie to play his 2 high safeties (Tampa 2). And Jordan Davis makes a heck of an offensive blocker on the goal line. Therefore, it would make sense to me for the Texans to go Charles Cross #3 and Jordan Davis #13. As for the edge rusher Texans desperately need, I'm loving me some Arnold Ebiketie at #37.
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We're thinking along the same lines. Although I really like Wyatt. Sam Williams would be my guy at #37. Although I probably would pick Skyy Moore. I do like Ebikete alot too though.

Would you consider this to be a successful draft if Caserio was able to get these 4 guys and a RB later in the 4th

Cross/Davis/Moore/trade back into the 2nd using 3-80 and 4-108 for Ekibetie. Then get Mills some more Weapons like Dulcich at 3-68 and White at 4-107.
 
steelbtexan said:
We're thinking along the same lines. Although I really like Wyatt. Sam Williams would be my guy at #37. Although I probably would pick Skyy Moore. I do like Ebikete alot too though.

Would you consider this to be a successful draft if Caserio was able to get these 4 guys and a RB later in the 4th

Cross/Davis/Moore/trade back into the 2nd using 3-80 and 4-108 for Ekibetie. Then get Mills some more Weapons like Dulcich at 3-68 and White at 4-107.
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The thing that scares me is that Arnold Ebiketie will be gone by #37. I would package #37 and #108 to move up for Ebiketie and would use #68 for Salyer, #80 for Tindall and #107 for Zamir White. I would take a flyer on WR Tyquan Thornton with #183. I really wish we had that #148 pick that was traded for Anthony Miller. I'd be over the moon if we had Cleveland's pick #44 instead of #107.
 
Texian said:
The thing that scares me is that Arnold Ebiketie will be gone by #37. I would package #37 and #108 to move up for Ebiketie and would use #68 for Salyer, #80 for Tindall and #107 for Zamir White. I would take a flyer on WR Tyquan Thornton with #183. I really wish we had that #148 pick that was traded for Anthony Miller. I'd be over the moon if we had Cleveland's pick #44 instead of #107.
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I think Ekibetie and Williams will both be there at 37 and would take one of them. Then trade back to say 50 or so to get the best slot wr I could get. Hopefully Moore fell that far. But I think Metchie will be there at 59 and I like him alot too. If you don't want to trade I like Velus Jones at 80.
 
Double Barrel said:
I agree. We often joke at Cal's expense, and such is the nature of being a sports team owner when the team has not achieved much. Us sports fanatics are crazy that way, I guess. :crazy:

It's never been personal, though. I don't know Cal and have heard that he's a really nice guy. I only joke about the persona of being a team owner, since the buck stops there.



Yep, my thoughts, as well. Fortunately / hopefully, Nick and Lovie are the two alphas in the building now, so Cal can step back into the bushes like Homer Simpson and enjoy whatever billionaires enjoy with their time. I do think he wants to win but just didn't know how to build it and trusted the wrong guys with Bill and Jack.
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What would ever make you think that winning is the most important thing to the McNair's?
 
steelbtexan said:
So you actually think Howard is an above avg player and is worth picking up his 15 mil option?
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Based on past performance, Howard is not worth $15 million. Due to the constant shuffling from the left to the right side, I don't think he reached his potential with the Texans. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't pickup his 5th year option and wouldn't be surprise if he ends up starting at LT for another team.
 
Earl34 said:
Based on past performance, Howard is not worth $15 million. Due to the constant shuffling from the left to the right side, I don't think he reached his potential with the Texans. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't pickup his 5th year option and wouldn't be surprise if he ends up starting at LT for another team.
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If he reaches his potential he might become a slightly above avg RT. He's not a LT.

Blame others for his performance if you wish. The fact that 3 years later we are still talking about his potential after 2 different ol coaches speaks volumes.
 
steelbtexan said:
What would ever make you think that winning is the most important thing to the McNair's?
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This may come as a shock to you, but Cal believes these Texans will win more games than they will lose and have a good chance at the playoffs. Cal has never been associated with reality. Cal is the President of the Kool Aid Brigade. In Cal's world the Texans have never been a team that is rebuilding.
 
steelbtexan said:
If he reaches his potential he might become a slightly above avg RT. He's not a LT.

Blame others for his performance if you wish. The fact that 3 years later we are still talking about his potential after 2 different ol coaches speaks volumes.
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What makes you think Howard isn't a LT? True, he played mostly RT in college, but that was because his QB was left-handed. He was the blindside OT. When he played LT last season, he did well. Personally, I don't see Evan Neal being a great LT. Neal gets beat by speed rushers, which is mainly what he will see at LT in the NFL. I think Neal will be good at OG or RT, but only average at LT. I may be wrong but, that's how I see it.

Tunsil is a good pass-blocking LT, but he is not very good while run blocking. Since the Texans only restructured Tunsil's contract, and didn't extend him, I'm thinking he will be a post June 1st trade option. If that happens, I'm moving Howard to LT, and drafting Ekonwu or Neal to play RT. However, I wouldn't mind seeing Tunsil play out 2022 at LT, Howard at RT, and draft Ekonwu or Neal to start at one of the OG positions. Later in the draft, we could get another OG like Cordell Volson in the 3rd or 4th...or later.

Pick 13 is too high for Green. At 13, I'd go with Jordan Davis if he is there, or try and trade down a little and get one of the safeties. I know people like Hamilton, but I just don't think there is a big difference between the top safeties. I think drafting a Safety like Brisker, Hill, Pitre, or Cine, and getting another pick from trading down has more value than taking Hamilton higher.

With a trade down, we should be able to pick up another 2nd round pick. With our first pick in the 2nd round, I'll probably look at one of the top CB's like McDuffie, McCreary, or Booth Jr. With the next 2nd round pick, I'm jumping all over Alec Pierce if he is there. I like Skyy Moore, but I like Pierce more. On top of that, I think we can find guys similar to Skyy Moore later on in the draft. Someone like Calvin Austin III or Danny Gray.
 
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vtech9 said:
What makes you think Howard isn't a LT? True, he played mostly RT in college, but that was because his QB was left-handed. He was the blindside OT. When he played LT last season, he did well. Personally, I don't see Evan Neal being a great LT. Neal gets beat by speed rushers, which is mainly what he will see at LT in the NFL. I think Neal will be good at OG or RT, but only average at LT. I may be wrong but, that's how I see it.

Tunsil is a good pass-blocking LT, but he is not very good while run blocking. Since the Texans only restructured Tunsil's contract, and didn't extend him, I'm thinking he will be a post June 1st trade option. If that happens, I'm moving Howard to LT, and drafting Ekonwu or Neal to play RT. However, I wouldn't mind seeing Tunsil play out 2022 at LT, Howard at RT, and draft Ekonwu or Neal to start at one of the OG positions. Later in the draft, we could get another OG like Cordell Volson in the 3rd or 4th...or later.

Pick 13 is too high for Green. At 13, I'd go with Jordan Davis if he is there, or try and trade down a little and get one of the safeties. I know people like Hamilton, but I just don't think there is a big difference between the top safeties. I think drafting a Safety like Bricker, Hill, Pitre, or Cine, and getting another pick from trading down has more value than taking Hamilton higher.

With a trade down, we should be able to pick up another 2nd round pick. With our first pick in the 2nd round, I'll probably look at one of the top CB's like McDuffie, McCreary, or Booth Jr. With the next 2nd round pick, I'm jumping all over Alec Pierce if he is there. I like Skyy Moore, but I like Pierce more. On top of that, I think we can find guys similar to Skyy Moore later on in the draft. Someone like Calvin Austin III or Danny Gray.
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Howard doesn't have the feet to play LT. Sure he had a couple of avg games at the end of the yr. Given his athletic profile and the fact that we're still having this discussion going into yr 4 tells me I'm not willing to risk Mills success on Howard playing LT. In short a couple of games doesn't mean Howard is actually above avg.

We disagree on Neal, which is fine, I consider him to be the best player in this draft and he's got a high ceiling to continue improving.

Agree with the last couple of paragraphs. But Green looked like the 2nd best ol in the SEC last year and that says something since we are talking about guys like Salter/Kinnard/Ingram not to mention Neal. He played all over the ol and played well all over the ol. A trade down would be optimal.
 
steelbtexan said:
Howard doesn't have the feet to play LT. Sure he had a couple of avg games at the end of the yr. Given his athletic profile and the fact that we're still having this discussion going into yr 4 tells me I'm not willing to risk Mills success on Howard playing LT. In short a couple of games doesn't mean Howard is actually above avg.

We disagree on Neal, which is fine, I consider him to be the best player in this draft and he's got a high ceiling to continue improving.

Agree with the last couple of paragraphs. But Green looked like the 2nd best ol in the SEC last year and that says something since we are talking about guys like Salter/Kinnard/Ingram not to mention Neal. He played all over the ol and played well all over the ol. A trade down would be optimal.
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If you are saying Green was the 2nd best OL in the SEC last year, and bring up Kinnard, Ingram, and Salyer, that's not really saying much is it? Kinnard, Ingram, and Salyer are all expected to be picked on Day 3.

We disagree on Neal. I think he is good, but not even close to the best player. We also disagree on Howard. I think he has the feet to play LT. Coming out of college, Howard was praised for his kickstep.
 
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If you are saying Green was the 2nd best OL in the SEC last year, and bring up Kinnard, Ingram, and Salyer, that's not really saying much is it? Kinnard, Ingram, and Salyer are all expected to be picked on Day 3.

We disagree on Neal. I think he is good, but not even close to the best player. We also disagree on Howard. I think he has the feet to play LT. Coming out of college, Howard was praised for his kickstep.
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OG's usually go in day 2 or early 3 which is where I see them going. In fact I've got Salter as a top 40 guy. Of as you know, my ratings are different from most of the pundits. These guys are going to be longtime starters in the NFL.
 
vtech9 said:
If you are saying Green was the 2nd best OL in the SEC last year, and bring up Kinnard, Ingram, and Salyer, that's not really saying much is it? Kinnard, Ingram, and Salyer are all expected to be picked on Day 3.

We disagree on Neal. I think he is good, but not even close to the best player. We also disagree on Howard. I think he has the feet to play LT. Coming out of college, Howard was praised for his kickstep.
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Day 3 starts with the 4th round.

If Kinnard is graded as an OT and on the boards as an OT, then he may be a third round pick. But he is debatably the second highest graded OG and should be drafted as an OG in the 2nd round. If he falls to 68 the Texans shouldn't hesitate taking him. He has a three year average grade over 90 as a run blocker. As a pass blocker, he gave up only one sack this past year with over 700 snaps. I want the Texans to take him in the 2nd round.
 
steelbtexan said:
OG's usually go in day 2 or early 3 which is where I see them going. In fact I've got Salter as a top 40 guy. Of as you know, my ratings are different from most of the pundits. These guys are going to be longtime starters in the NFL.
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Where should OG’s, Zion Johnson and Kenyon Green fall in the draft?
 
Number19 said:
Day 3 starts with the 4th round.

If Kinnard is graded as an OT and on the boards as an OT, then he may be a third round pick. But he is debatably the second highest graded OG and should be drafted as an OG in the 2nd round. If he falls to 68 the Texans shouldn't hesitate taking him. He has a three year average grade over 90 as a run blocker. As a pass blocker, he gave up only one sack this past year with over 700 snaps. I want the Texans to take him in the 2nd round.
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After the Senior Bowl, Kinnard's stock plummeted. He has fallen to the 4th round and even later in some projections.
 
vtech9 said:
After the Senior Bowl, Kinnard's stock plummeted. He has fallen to the 4th round and even later in some projections.
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You are correct but are overlooking that Kinnard practiced the whole week at RT. I'm projecting a move inside where he grades much higher, perhaps number two at the position behind Green.

This will be a tough call for teams, because he has played very little, if any, at OG (26 consecutive starts at RT).

I've read one comment which I don't fully understand, that there is some question about his "processing". Seems OG involves a "higher level of processing" than OT due to the blitzing and stunts he would face inside. I have never, literally never, heard this mentioned before, for the position.
 
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