Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
THAT'S WHAT I'VE ******* BEEN SAYING!!!! It's NOT the players and coaches!! CASERIO IS THE ONE ORCHESTRATING THE TANK!! Holy ****!!!
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Is It time to fire David Culley after 1 year?
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Caserio does not control the play on the field like that. And why do you always have to result to cussing when people don't agree with your hot takes.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
That’s the point sir…even the GOAT couldn’t stop his team from circling the drain in the year the Browns were slated to leave Cleveland. And this was a team that he spent 4 years building and coming off of a playoff birth. IOW’s His lofty credentials as a great d-coordinator didn’t help him at all in that situation. I just don’t understand how you guys can be so naive in believing that that actually makes that much of a difference in the probable success or failure of a HC.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Caserio brought the players in. If you bring in **** players, you're going to get **** play. I don't understand how you can't seem to grasp that.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
It’d be 1 thing if they had a **** ton of cap space and decided not to use it but that wasn’t the case. The sorry ass roster is all that was available given the cap situation and draft situation. How you get that NC is orchestrating a tank because of the circumstances he was left with is beyond me.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
you know the answer to that. If you didn’t care who held the EVP position before him and whether or not that individual was “qualified”….you shouldnt care now.
Unlike baseball, you really can't do that in the NFL. You're basically throwing away players drafted in 2021 & 2022.
If Caserio starts trading a bunch of picks into 2023, I'll start believing it. I mean trade our 2022 top 3 pick to 15 or so & a couple of 2023 picks, showing a clear bias for future picks.
If The Colts 2nd team offense can score on our starting defense the way they did & our offense can't attempt a long field goal all game... Caserio did enough
Texansballer74
The Marine
Defense was burnt out by that time brother. They were on the field pretty much the entire game.
Texansballer74
The Marine
They're getting crappy play because of the freaking scheme as well as key injuries.
houstonhurricane
Veteran
It was a dumb hire to start with. He’s a goner.
And lack of talent.
I'm just glad they met my expectations, which had nothing to do with the W/L record. They've found a few guys that can play.
Next yr, I hope Caserio can find 4 guys in the draft including 2 star level players and 2 solid long time starters. Plus add a couple of KGH/Kirksey/Thomas type FA's.
He served his purpose and was well paid for his service.
Texansballer74
The Marine
You can have all the talent in the world and still don’t win. Ask the Browns fans and several other teams that’s venture down the path of suckardness.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Hell "Terrible" would actually be a improvement over whatever synonym it is that describes this team.
In all my years of watching football, I don't think I've ever seen coaching decisions/offense this bad.. The graphics department needs to create a "monkey screwing a football" emoticon. Imagine how many times that would've been used this season.
. I feel like my I.Q. drops every time I watch this team play, outside of Lovie and the salad he's been able to make.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
So Tunsil can pass block and everyone to the right of him has no clue.....big accomplishment. Many pass plays still require the Texans 6th offensive lineman, the TE, to help on the left side since defenses had no fear of loading their blitzes to come over that side of the ball.
Also, the Texans can't move the ball on the ground due to the lack of opening holes from the entire OL group and their usual plus one, the TE.
We as fans need to forget the past unless there's a time machine out there to right the wrongs and/or ignorance. Caserio needs to scrape this slate clean and reload the OL while finding some young running backs to return some respectability to the run game. This will be Caserio's first draft with a full cache of picks along with the possibility of a Watson trade adding more picks.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
OB orchestrated what you see on the field. Caserio took over a situation that required both hands to be tied behind his back right out of the gate. The Watson situation really destroyed any hope of a 2021 season. The only thing Caserio orchestrated was finding a way to field a team on the cheap.
The 2021 season is finally coming to an end and when the dust settles Caserio will need a strainer to keep the few bright spots of a lost season.
As for 2022, Caserio must fire Kelly and trade Watson. Then he needs to focus on having another strong draft. He still needs to fill roster spots in 2022 while navigating through his limited cap space and finding strong veterans who'd want to come here during the first stage of his rebuild.
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I would like to have the talent and find out.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I have to agree.
Heads....Texans have the talent but suck equals easy fix provided Cal possesses the nads to make the hard decisions.
Tails....Texans having no talent (2021) and suck equals a rebuild of some magnitude and a big decision by Cal on who he'll bring in to navigate the rebuild.
I'd really like to see the coin come up heads at some point.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Dude we had the talent and still went 2-14. Come on now you've been following this team since day one. You need more than darn talent to win in this league. That year they were picked by many to rep the AFC in the big dance.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
No one "expects" fans to spend their money. Frankly I don't think anyone should spend their money or time watching the team right now, I certainly don't. However if a person can't look at a team built like this one is and say "Yeah this is gonna suck, think I'll spend my money elsewhere this season." then I don't know what to tell you. We knew we were gonna suck, we knew we were going to be in the hunt for 1:1 pick, does it really matter if we lose by 6 points or by 60 points? Maybe I'm in the minority but to me it doesn't matter, at the end of the day when the win-lose record is posted it doesn't have a [ * ] next to it that says "But they were close games".
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I fully believe that Texans are, if not tanking then not worried to much about winning at this time. Biggest thing I disagree with Caserio about is that it will come in a year when the QB crop is very bad. Just spit balling but I might use the high pick to get more picks and then maybe sign like RGIII or something. Better than what we have now but still not to the point that we are out of the hunt of any future QBs. Plus he's enough of a vet that maybe he could teach Mills something and you'd get him cheap. It also depends on what, if anything, we get for Watson.
If Caserio isn't tanking though then I have vastly overestimated his intelligence because @Speedy is exactly right this is text book tanking. Bring in players that couldn't win if their life depended on it, a HC that is either new to the job or incompetent, snag a couple of diamonds in the rough if they pop up and then sit back and talk about how its the journey not the destination you are focused on right now. Only thing I disagree with many on here is that I actually do think they see something in Culley other than just a one and done coach.
If Caserio isn't tanking though then I have vastly overestimated his intelligence because @Speedy is exactly right this is text book tanking. Bring in players that couldn't win if their life depended on it, a HC that is either new to the job or incompetent, snag a couple of diamonds in the rough if they pop up and then sit back and talk about how its the journey not the destination you are focused on right now. Only thing I disagree with many on here is that I actually do think they see something in Culley other than just a one and done coach.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
If the Bears were to cut QB, Nick Foles for cap purposes this coming season.....this is the guy I'd bring in to backup and mentor Mills. Same type of QB's. I think Tyrod Taylor would be a better fit backing up Fields in Chicago b/c of their similar playing styles.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I like Gardner Minshew. Younger. Can win games. Still has growth potential. Can be your potential starting QB for 2-3 years while you find the right QB instead of reaching in this years draft.
I thought you were referring to this year's team.
The Texans have never been true contenders. IMHO
When is. the last time a team feared them in a playoff game?
Agreed,
Isn't Tyrod supposed to be providing what you want RGIII to provide? Mills needs to start from now to the end of 2022 in order to see if Caserio needs to draft a QB in 2022.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Something like this makes a ton of sense. And they did that bringing in Taylor. It’s just that this OB/Kelly offense is the worst. Bringing in Aaron Rodgers wouldn’t make much difference. I mean, they won 4 games with a bunch a crap and Watson putting up big numbers last year. Like the personnel being torn down and hopefully rebuilt, this offense needs a bomb dropped on it and a new, fresh design brought in.
Drafting a QB in this upcoming draft, before you have a team and protection built around him, does not make sense. That’s why drafting Mills was a head scratcher. What’s the point there? Why David Carr yet another QB?
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Doesn't the close games give you an indicator of where you are in your rebuild and potential players that you will keep/build around? For example, look how everyone was excited about Mills' performance in the 3 point loss to the Patriots. No one cared that they lost the game. They cared that Mills gave a glimmer of hope that he might be the solution at QB. Imagine if he was playing and the losses were by 7-17 points instead of "cannot even get to midfield in a game". Don't you think the fan base would have a totally different attitude? Doesn't those close games provide Caserio with a better feel for what he needs to do in the draft? Doesn't close games provide Culley with OJT for decision making during close and tense games? In other words. You can have lessons learned from a 6 point loss that you don't get in a 60 point loss. The only takeaway from a shutout where you barely cross midfield is your team sucks.
As far as money spent. My point wasn't about anyone "expecting" fans to spend their money. My comment was regarding the PSL and season ticket holders who already spent or have invested their money and the posts that appears to suggest that they should stop complaining and accept the product on the field because the Texans were expected to be a bad team.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Your starting position in 2021 is (1) severe lack of talent on both sides of the ball, (2) no decent QB, (3) no real draft picks, (4) new coaching staff, (5) new GM
How in the hell is anyone supposed to do anything with that? For christs sakes, if the Texans were the USA during WWII we'd all be speaking German right now. Or Japanese if you were on the west coast. I don't blame Caserio or Culley or any of those guys for the current condition of the Texans. However that might change next year, but not for now.
How in the hell is anyone supposed to do anything with that? For christs sakes, if the Texans were the USA during WWII we'd all be speaking German right now. Or Japanese if you were on the west coast. I don't blame Caserio or Culley or any of those guys for the current condition of the Texans. However that might change next year, but not for now.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I personally hate it when posters make more sense than the people who are professionals.
But - to answer your questions what’s the point? Why?
Simple:
Culture.
That is always the answer.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
The Texans lost 8 games by 1 score last year. How’s that working out for them this year? Previous years don’t really indicate much of anything. Things change from year to year, a ton of moving parts, not just for the Texans, but for all teams.
That’s why strength of schedule we look at at the start of a season, changes drastically during the course of the season. Last year means nothing.
Doesn't matter to me. All that matters to me is
1. Finding 6-8 guys that can be a part of the future. Mission accomplished
2. Finding out if Mills is the future at QB. Juries still out.
Score doesn't matter. Culley won't be here in 2 years so that doesn't matter. Yes, the PSL racket truly sucks. Somehow Cal's figured out how to kill that golden goose.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Meh, he's on a one year deal. Rather than resign him to another deal bring in another cheap QB. Honestly though six of one, half a dozen of another.
Next yr should be about finding out if Mills is the future and adding star level players, plus fixing the ol through the draft and fa.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
No the close games tell you nothing, in reality no game gives you any clue how another game will go. Look at the rock-paper-scissors game we played with the Bills and Jags. We beat the Jags, they beat the Bills and the Bills beat us, none of those games were any indication on where any of those teams are. I would actually argue those close games muddy the waters, as it is right now Caserio should see that he pretty much needs a complete roster overhaul with maybe a couple of stand outs or players on dirt cheap contracts. If they kept having close games then it opens the question of do we really need to rebuild or do we just need to have a couple of things go our way? Those close games and "we almost had it" are what allowed OB to be here 6 years and kept from there being major changes over that time.
As far as the season ticket holders and the PSL, its a scam but everyone knows and knew it was a scam from day one. I'm not saying they should be happy or not complain, the dude with the sign was hilarious, but history tells us that unless you are the Pats with Brady then consistent, year in and year out success in football doesn't happen and in reality consistent, year in and year out suckage is far more likely. So yeah being a season ticket holder is like betting at the table, you are hoping to get a 7 but the house is doing the rolling and they will tell you what number came up and they still win no matter what is rolled. You just might get lucky and share a little of their winnings.
Drafting Mills never sat right with me either. Nothing against Mills.
But they must have had a lot of confidence in the OL & the corps of RBs they brought in. I don’t believe that because of their resumes, but because of the money & draft capital they spent to acquire them.
Definitely not what I was expecting in “tank mode”
but the incompetence of the coaching or whatever internal bickering they got on offense torpedoed any hope of a decent offense.
Surprised there's not a lot of comment on Caserio's lack of comment regarding Culley's future as head coach. I still don't think Culley is in danger after one year. But, maybe Kyle isn't happy with what he's seen, and Culley could be the fall guy. Kyle has to be under some pressure with all of the empty seats on gameday.
IMO, there were things Caserio could have done, but it's probably best to wait until the season is over to count them.
We'll have more time to go over each thing to see whether which one may have certain Merritt.
One thing that stands out at the moment is DJ.
They could have cut him and maybe save themselves $6M?
(I don't know the exact number since there are conflicting figures out there.
That would add to the $9.4M they have left at the moment.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
My recollection is cutting DJ left $2m+ of dead money
They would still save some money had they cut him outright.
I'm not sure of the figure though.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
If Kyle isn't happy, I'm sure the Pastor will convince him Culley is what they need right now.
And if Kyle isn't happy, is he even thinking about the guy who gave him a 5 year contract? I'll bet that never gets a mention in the conversation between the 2.
I think Kelly is the only fall guy, which may be THE reason they kept him. The plan all along.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
No it doesn't mostly b/c fans look at and pay attention to what they want to and they mostly look at a team's offense as the barometer for whether or not the team is trending in the right direction....which is erroneous analysis in and of itself. Take our 2011 team vs our 2012 & 2016 teams. On their faces all those seasons ended the same. All teams had at least 10 wins...All teams were largely led by their defenses & all of them lost in the playoffs in the divisional round. But fans for whatever reason hold the 2011 team up in higher esteem as our best team ever. The only real reason for that is b/c they deem 2011's offense better than the other 2.......even though the end results for all of the seasons ended exactly the same....even though in 2012 we had more wins.
The guy who was instrumental in the last year's 1 score games hasn't play a down this year. So, is that really a valid question? Also, if previous years doesn't matter or indicate much of anything, when a player gets a new contract. What are they basing it on? On that note. I'm going to agree to disagree with you and @maverick512000. I'm out of this conversation.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You and i both know that with the number of 1 year deals coming off the books next year, that 9.4M in cap space is really much more than that. Sportrac has them projected to have 44 million in 2022......& that's with DW4's contract on the books. If/when he is moved, at a minimum its going to jump another 25-30 mil. So while you're up in arms about 6 million that they could have right now that they could've done next to nothing with in terms of bringing in a player that's going to impact this team's future, the cap situation will be just fine. Furthermore, Of the guys after Watson with the largest cap hit (Tunsil, Cooks, Murray) we know at least 1 of those guys is gone in addition to DW4 so relax dude, you're getting to bogged down in the minutia that doesn't really impact things going forward.
Oh, but that's just the tip of the iceberg.
When you start to add them up, it could get big enough to make an impact in a future year, maybe 2023, 2024, 2025 (since you can roll a good percentage of the cap space over to a certain date.)
You'll need all the money you can save to get a premium player or two.
But let's wait until after the season.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I'm willing to bet before I look that they weren't a team chaplain and character coach 1st
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
You know who had this position for Jacksonville Jaguars? Tom Coughlin
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I'm not buying it. The deals NC has done & how they were done weren't that big of a deal. You were NEVER gonna get out of all the bad, lopsided deals made by the previous regime without taking a substantial hit. Every major albatross of a contract we had coming into this year has been moved on from except Eric Murray & he's likely out of here next year & this was the perfect year to do it in...a year where we likely weren't going to do anything.......just get it over with & then come thru next year & restock with alot of young cheap talent and most importantly a clean cap situation.
leebigeztx
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