So…. The Packers have 150+ yards rushing (4.9 ypc) against the Cardinals defense. The Pack Oline ain’t all that.
the Texans couldn’t do crap against this defense .
Coaching or personnel?
Yes
And no 68 yr old JJ Watt
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So…. The Packers have 150+ yards rushing (4.9 ypc) against the Cardinals defense. The Pack Oline ain’t all that.
the Texans couldn’t do crap against this defense .
Coaching or personnel?
So…. The Packers have 150+ yards rushing (4.9 ypc) against the Cardinals defense. The Pack Oline ain’t all that.
the Texans couldn’t do crap against this defense .
Coaching or personnel?
I think it is more coaching and scheme than personnel.Both.
Maybe it's to early to call it ,but I can't help thinking Tytus Howard is a bust.
Not athletic or technically sound enough to be a tackle in the pros. Not mean or powerful enough to be a rg (think strong side run game bruiser.) Not cerebral enough to be center.
Left guard is the equivalent of a left fielder in baseball. Basically, the least important ol spot. And not only is he JUST a left guard, he's a left guard on one of the weakest ol's in the league. That should say a lot.
I genuinely believe guys don't normally get drafted in the 1st round unless they're athletic freaks. Even the reaches are immensely talented. (And I'm sure having said that, some dumbazz poster will make a case for player x who is a complete 1 in 600 outlier. Let's hear it...) But he's JUST a LG.
I know our coaching is questionable (or more appropriately, it sucks.) I know they stunted his growth by making him learn multiple positions ,but I expected a lot more.
If he's lucky, he'll get one more chance at a better ol coach and more talent around him. More then likely though...
He's just a busted pick.
Sounds like Sua-Filo but he was a few picks later
Maybe it's to early to call it ,but I can't help thinking Tytus Howard is a bust.
Not athletic or technically sound enough to be a tackle in the pros. Not mean or powerful enough to be a rg (think strong side run game bruiser.) Not cerebral enough to be center.
Left guard is the equivalent of a left fielder in baseball. Basically, the least important ol spot. And not only is he JUST a left guard, he's a left guard on one of the weakest ol's in the league. That should say a lot.
I genuinely believe guys don't normally get drafted in the 1st round unless they're athletic freaks. Even the reaches are immensely talented. (And I'm sure having said that, some dumbazz poster will make a case for player x who is a complete 1 in 600 outlier. Let's hear it...) But he's JUST a LG.
I know our coaching is questionable (or more appropriately, it sucks.) I know they stunted his growth by making him learn multiple positions ,but I expected a lot more.
If he's lucky, he'll get one more chance at a better ol coach and more talent around him. More then likely though...
He's just a busted pick.
...A merciful open week gave the Texans time to self-evaluate. The coaching staff identified plays, schemes and game plans that they erroneously thought they'd be able to accomplish, which failed in part because they overestimated the capabilities of a limited unit...So, there's somewhat of a simplification going on in Houston's game plan meetings. They're coming to terms with their limitations. They must design strategies that are based in what they know their players can accomplish...
The Texans have primarily whiffed at selecting OL during the draft. This oh so consistent misses in the draft is to be owned by the Scouting Dept and/or the GM’s who are inevitably the one’s pulling the trigger in the War Room. It’s been pitiful and a surprise stench this organization just couldn’t seem to shake.
Caserio is the new guy driving the team and contrary to some, I think he did handle his first handicapped (thank you OB) Texans draft just fine….enough so that I’m looking forward to his first “full” draft, this is when I’ll judge his performance.
It is very difficult to select people to play OL in this league when the scheme is a mess. There is no reference point of prospect measurements/skillset displayed on tape when the scheme is an uncoachable undefined mess of an offense. I suppose the only defined quality for OL on this team since Kubiak left is “the ability to be a matador to opposing defenses”.
I feel like that's a great comparison.
Agreed,
But you're looking at 2 different hc's and 2 different ol coaches.
So while I agree the scheme is an issue. Talent is a bigger issue.
XSF was a fill in when guys were injured. Doesn't matter where you put Howard. He's going to suck.Sua-Filo was drafted as a RG to play RG. He became immediate starter on excellent Cowboys offensive line, which answers question, “it’s the coaching stupid” not the talent. Tytus Howard was far more the reach because he lacked reps against high level competition, wasn’t dominant but did flash tackle traits. Should have started RT and stayed @ RT then at least corners would be set. Not on him, coaching.
actually haven’t seen good coaching here since early Kubiak years. Would love to have back OC Shanahan. He understands value of the offensive line, like Dallas they have depth to offset injury, most teams like Texans and Chargers can’t quite field even a good starting 5. You have to double down in the draft and free agency as long as it takes to have a dominant OL.
XSF was a fill in when guys were injured. Doesn't matter where you put Howard. He's going to suck.
XSF Should have easily been the Texans starting RG for Texans period. Howard was mishandled period, but should never been selected in the first round. Both should never been taken by this franchise when and where they did, but fact is they spent significant draft capital on the OL, they just have no idea what they’re doing.
But I dunno has Campen been the upgrade at OLine coaching that was expected, and if not maybe it wasn't Devlin but rather as many suspected, just a short fall of talent in the O-line all along ?You're talking OB and Devlin. Thankfully they are both gone
2014 oh how I hated that class except for CJ and Hall.You're talking OB and Devlin. Thankfully they are both gone
But I dunno has Campen been the upgrade at OLine coaching that was expected, and if not maybe it wasn't Devlin but rather as many suspected, just a short fall of talent in the O-line all along ?
Olineman not coming out of college NFL ready near as much. They have to be coached up... Most all early picks look like busts their first couple of years. See Jake Matthews, Eric Fisher and many others
So I dunno are you saying it's too soon to give up on Howard & Scharping as legit long-term NFL starting Olinemen ? If so man I hope you are right !Olineman not coming out of college NFL ready near as much. They have to be coached up... Most all early picks look like busts their first couple of years. See Jake Matthews, Eric Fisher and many others
So I dunno are you saying it's too soon to give up on Howard & Scharping as legit long-term NFL starting Olinemen ? If so man I hope you are right !
I don't know if I can agree with that. 23 rookie offensive linemen have started at least one game this year. There were 8 O-linemen taken in the 3rd round after Davis Mills. 5 of them have started. There's a good chance that had Caserio taken an O-lineman rather than a QB, that pick would be starting today.Olineman not coming out of college NFL ready near as much. They have to be coached up...
I don't know if I can agree with that. 23 rookie offensive linemen have started at least one game this year. There were 8 O-linemen taken in the 3rd round after Davis Mills. 5 of them have started. There's a good chance that had Caserio taken an O-lineman rather than a QB, that pick would be starting today.
See I think that is also the sentiments of most others on our board. If true that is so disapointing - first round pick top pick in that draft for the texans ends up being back-up material. Yikes, we all need to hope and maybe prey that casserio can do much better than that !Not what I was saying, I don't think that pair will ever be more than backups. I was commenting on the difficulty in selecting Olineman
Didn’t Sua-Filo play solid for the Cowboys and now the Bengals?I feel like that's a great comparison.
NopeDidn’t Sua-Filo play solid for the Cowboys and now the Bengals?
Ingram's vision seems to have improved running behind the Saints ol.The offensive line was looking decent in the first couple of games. Then the injury bug struck and struck hard. Howard was actually playing ok next to
Tunsil.
Yeah the still stunk in run pro, but we can equate that with running backs with poor vision.
He had a few good runs with the Saints, just like he had here.Ingram's vision seems to have improved running behind the Saints ol.
Tytus got injured today on the first offensive play.
I was just about to post he’s back inwas only out 1 play
He had a few good runs with the Saints, just like he had here.