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I don't care if we get 0 wins this season, it is better than another mediocre season under Bill O'Brian!
I don't care if we get 0 wins this season, it is better than another mediocre season under Bill O'Brian!
SMH
Did you feel this way with the mediocre seasons under Kubiak.
We had some really good seasons under Kubiak. Hell many would argue that had Schaub not gotten hurt in 2011 we could of won it all. We had yates who only lost to the Ravens by 3 points at their house. I like Kubiaks offense, I sure as hell liked him better than OB.
I am glad OB is gone but just as he continued his first down runs up the middle Kubiak kept calling those sideline routes that defenders kept jumping and converting into “Schaub’s”. but I had zero hope for his teams against the better NFL teams. they Never could get over the hump for whatever reason. Seemed to be a toughness issue IMO. But he was a nice guy.We had some really good seasons under Kubiak. Hell many would argue that had Schaub not gotten hurt in 2011 we could of won it all. We had yates who only lost to the Ravens by 3 points at their house. I like Kubiaks offense, I sure as hell liked him better than OB.
It took 6 years and Wade Phillips as DC before Kubiak took the team to the playoffs. That's a lot of mediocrity.We had some really good seasons under Kubiak.
Kubiak's downfall was he was prone to hiring his friends as coaches instead of hiring good coaches which resulted in a lot of mediocre coaches which resulted in a lot of mediocre seasons. The one time I was in total agreement with Bob McNair's meddling was telling Kubiak they were going to hire Wade Phillips as the DC if Kubiak wanted to continue as HC of the Texans. This resulted in the Texans becoming one of the NFL's premier teams. Schaub's injury and McNair's temper ended that run. I sure would've liked to see Bob McNair say to Kubiak, Schaub is broke go find yourself another QB instead of firing him. Kubiak did a good job in finding Schaub.SMH
Did you feel this way with the mediocre seasons under Kubiak.
Kubiak basically took over an expansion franchise as well. But he was way too loyal to some of his sorry ass coaches.It took 6 years and Wade Phillips as DC before Kubiak took the team to the playoffs. That's a lot of mediocrity.
Kubiak never advanced any further in the playoffs than O'Brien. But in my opinion they played better in post season with Kubiak than we ever did under O'Brien. For one thing Kubiak never lost a wildcard game.
I believe the stats show better performance under Kubiak than O'Brien.
Playoff Record Under O'Brien:
Texans have been outscored 103 to 169 in 6 games.
Playoff Record 2-4 .333
Texans Avg Points per Game: 17
Opponents Avg Points per Game: 28
Playoff Record Under Kubiak:
Texans outscored their Opponents 91 to 84 in 4 games.
Playoff Record 2-2 .500
Texans Avg Points per Game: 23
Opponents Avg Points per Game: 21
My totally subjective impression from the tenure of both coaches is that in 2012 when we went 12-4 I went into the playoffs with very high hopes & a belief that we could advance at least to the AFCCG. I never felt that way under O'Brien. Two of the most humiliating losses the Texans have ever suffered came under O'Brien in the playoffs.
2015: Chiefs 30 Texans 0
2019: Chiefs 51 Texans 31
So objectively O'Brien & Kubiak both won 2 wildcard games. But speaking as a fan I enjoyed the 2011 season until Shaub got hurt & the 2012 season more than any other Texans season.
2-14 when Kubiak startedKubiak basically took over an expansion franchise as well. But he was way too loyal to some of his sorry ass coaches.
OB took over a much better team overall and did very little with it, to the point of tearing it down.
I may not know what numbers count but at least I know what the numbers are. O'Brien never went 2-14. His worst season was 4-12 in 2017 & 2020.2-14 when Kubiak started
2-14 when BOB started
And they both achieved the same results. People have trouble getting around the numbers that rally count. Although they will go to great lengths trying to get around them.
I may not know what numbers count but at least I know what the numbers are. O'Brien never went 2-14. His worst season was 4-12 in 2017 & 2020.
I got you. You are 100% correct. I completely misread your post.My point was BOB/Kubiak both took over teams that had finished 2-14 the yr before they were hired.
My point is that nobody will win the Kubiak vs OB argument.Football Forums are definitely not immune to Godwin's Law unless the forum is very strictly moderated.
My point is that nobody will win the Kubiak vs OB argument.
Well we both received a perceptual whackingI was involved in a meta-discussion unrelated to your point.
What were their records the year before the 2 - 14 seasons?My point was BOB/Kubiak both took over teams that had finished 2-14 the yr before they were hired.
2-14 when Kubiak started
2-14 when BOB started
And they both achieved the same results. People have trouble getting around the numbers that rally count. Although they will go to great lengths trying to get around them.
While true... one 2-14 team was ALOT more talented than the other 2-14 team.My point was BOB/Kubiak both took over teams that had finished 2-14 the yr before they were hired.
Sadly we may have a 7-10 team and drop out of a high pick. This franchise can blow a top 2 pick...We Got This should be the slogan
It's been a mixed bag, really. Mario pick #1 of the 2006 draft, Amobi Okoye at #10 the following year. Then Duane Brown with the 26th pick in 2008 followed by Cushing in 2009 with the 15th pick.I'd prefer us picking in the 11-27 range because that's where we've had the most success with our picks, although we have had 1 great pick in the top 3 and two mediocre ones.
I think we should remember that the people making the next 1st round pick have never made a 1st round pick. Simultaneously terrifying and comforting....because that's where we've had the most success with our picks...
So, when O'Brien went on his "you suck too" rant. He could have also been speaking to Kubiak? Maybe, whenever we get into this Kubiak vs O'Brien debate we should simply end with "he sucked too".Both of them got to the same rd of the playoffs, no amount of stats or excuses are going to change that. I'm glad you enjoyed the mediocre Kubiak yrs as much or more than you enjoyed the mediocre BOB yrs. Let mediocrity reign.
So, when O'Brien went on his "you suck too" rant. He could have also been speaking to Kubiak? Maybe, whenever we get into this Kubiak vs O'Brien debate we should simply end with "he sucked too".
It's been a mixed bag, really. Mario pick #1 of the 2006 draft, Amobi Okoye at #10 the following year. Then Duane Brown with the 26th pick in 2008 followed by Cushing in 2009 with the 15th pick.
One thing is for certain, though - the Texans have a better chance at drafting a good player with their first pick in 2022 than what's happened more often than not over the last 4 years.
2-14 when Kubiak started
2-14 when BOB started
And they both achieved the same results. People have trouble getting around the numbers that rally count. Although they will go to great lengths trying to get around them.
That's just it. It's really a crap shoot no matter where you're picking. Sometimes you get lucky by making the right pick, taking Peyton Manning instead of Ryan Leaf, sometimes you get lucky that someone else took Charles Rogers and left you with Andre Johnson. A lot more often than not, you blow it anyway.That's what I'm disputing: that the Texans have a better chance of drafting a good player with their first pick if it's in the top 5-10. Watt, Watson, Hopkins, Brown, Cushing, Fuller, KJ: those are some good picks that were in the 11-27 range. If you look at it historically (even without limiting yourself to the Texans), most of the best picks of a draft end up NOT being in the top 5 or top 10 of the draft, but later in the first round.
Sure, common sense would tell you that if you've got the first pick, you could choose anyone and you would think you have a better chance of picking the best player in the draft... but that usually doesn't happen. The Niners took Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers dropped to the mid-20's. We took Jadeveon Clowney at #1 when the best players of that draft were probably Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack, and Zack Martin... and after Clowney it was Greg Robinson, Blake Bortles, and Sammy Watkins.
It's really easy to get those high picks wrong. Easier than you would expect, or at least, easier than I expected.
Kubiak the head coach would have never let Kubiak the GM trade Hopkins for a bag of chips.
Just saying.
That's just it. It's really a crap shoot no matter where you're picking. Sometimes you get lucky by making the right pick, taking Peyton Manning instead of Ryan Leaf, sometimes you get lucky that someone else took Charles Rogers and left you with Andre Johnson. A lot more often than not, you blow it anyway.
There's no exact science to this or there wouldn't be 1st round busts or UDFA Pro-Bowlers.
I feel like Kubs’ mediocre was way more entertaining than OBs mediocre.Kubiak basically took over an expansion franchise as well. But he was way too loyal to some of his sorry ass coaches.
OB took over a much better team overall and did very little with it, to the point of tearing it down.
I sure hope so! I have a good feeling about this team but I am not psychic and nobody has ever considered me to be one. We shall see how this season turns out.Watch the exceed most of you gents expectations.
Other than the fact that they haven't won crap yetSome are better than others.
Example: Ballard has done a great job with the Colts.
Other than the fact that they haven't won crap yet
Other than the fact that they haven't won crap yet
Understood. I just don't like the way some will point to a guy like Ballard as a model of success while continually griping about the Texans. There were a few years where the Texans fielded both a top 10 offense & defense, but questionable coaching/game management, or injury prevented them from getting past the divisional round.Ballard gets A for effort and F for being unlucky. That's why Colts haven't won squat not for lack of effort/plan.