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We must have hated the **** out of Trevor Lawrence according to that fine logic.So if we don't trade up, we must not really want the guy? Ok.
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We must have hated the **** out of Trevor Lawrence according to that fine logic.So if we don't trade up, we must not really want the guy? Ok.
Three seems likely. I agree with you.When Caserio begins to feel pressure to win and not "create culture." I think Culley gets 3 years.
LT - Pro Bowler (I guess?)
LG - Was benched twice in 2020
RT - Should have been benched in 2020
RG - Played in 3 games past 2 seasons
C - Hasn't played since 2019.
We can now refer to you as Krazy Kiwi.
The secondary will look better without Hargreaves and playing a lot of zone. A pass rush couldn't hurt, either.
When Caserio begins to feel pressure to win and not "create culture." I think Culley gets 3 years.
Who says anything about giving up a #1 next year?My self told me to get him at 67 if available because I’m not giving up a #1 next year. Edit. Did anyone trade up for Trask or Mond?
Did the Texans trade up to get Watson?So if we don't trade up, we must not really want the guy? Ok.
Did the Texans trade up to get Watson?
Supposedly.Does that answer my question?
Supposedly.
The Texans seem not to think that highly of Mills to move up to try to secure him, unlike the previous GM who traded up to get a chance to draft Watson.Uhh, no it doesn't. Diversion because you won't answer the question.
The Texans seem not to think that highly of Mills to move up to try to secure him, unlike the previous GM who traded up to get a chance to draft Watson.
Who says anything about unwanted?So by your rational, every pick we didn't trade up for is unwanted? Thanks for chiming in.
Who says anything about unwanted?
Lol, end of story means your ass is in a bind and you want this to just go away to save face. Where do you KNOW the Texans had him on their board? So what price would you pay for him? bTW, Mills is a developmental QB....no ****? The Texans didn’t pick until the third round. That’s a TON of leverage, right chief? you would give up a #1 for a top ten QB? Really? That would cost you more than a #1 for gods sake. And you just KNOW he’s top ten? YOU answered your own question. He’s a developmental QB, but one with a intriguing ceiling that is a verifiable target for a team without a QB or a pick until 67. Again, show me in writing your choice for an alternative pick in that spot....I’m holding my breath.Who says anything about giving up a #1 next year?
On the other hand, as a GM, even if I had to give up a future no. 1 for a QB I really think can be a top 10 QB; I'd do it in a heartbeat.
The Vikings have Cousins; the Buccs have Brady.
Neither team has to try to trade up for a non-sure prospect.
At the end of the day, you answer your own question.
You don't think Mills is worth much so you're not willing to trade up to make sure you get him in the fold.
Mills is a developmental QB.
End of story.
Sounds like you’re saying competition will make it (OL) better.I see the OL looking something like this.
LT- Tunsil- Top 5 LT.
LG - Howard, will be much better inside at LG.
C- Britt, took off a Covid yr and his body should be healthier than it's been in yrs.
RG- Taylor, Multi yr starter for playoff teams. Tore ACL early, should be back at full strength by TC.
RT- Cannon, Multi yr starter at RT for multiple SB champs.
Scharping- fights it out for interior backup spots at all positions.
Heck/Rod Johnson/Christian - Fight it out for OT spots.
Good thing is Cannon and Howard can play both interior and OT positions.
Agreed about Hargreaves.
I already have my choice in the relevant thread; the Olineman that was drafted at the next spot.Lol, end of story means your ass is in a bind and you want this to just go away to save face. Where do you KNOW the Texans had him on their board? So what price would you pay for him? bTW, Mills is a developmental QB....no ****? The Texans didn’t pick until the third round. That’s a TON of leverage, right chief? you would give up a #1 for a top ten QB? Really? That would cost you more than a #1 for gods sake. And you just KNOW he’s top ten? YOU answered your own question. He’s a developmental QB, but one with a intriguing ceiling that is a verifiable target for a team without a QB or a pick until 67. Again, show me in writing your choice for an alternative pick in that spot....I’m holding my breath.
Highly regarded is different from merely wanted.Nahhhh nah nah. Don't back step now. If we did really want him we would've traded up. That's essentially what you said.
You answer the question for me, thank you........and we just can’t accept the fact that Caserio and his team decided to let the draft come to them? He got his target at 67 and did so without giving up his valuable draft capital.
He did trade up to get WR, Nico Collins. I consider this an excellent move since I see him as an Andre Johnson Lite who could become as good after a couple of NFL seasons.
The first round pick was just an example since you brought it up.Lol, end of story means your ass is in a bind and you want this to just go away to save face. Where do you KNOW the Texans had him on their board? So what price would you pay for him? bTW, Mills is a developmental QB....no ****? The Texans didn’t pick until the third round. That’s a TON of leverage, right chief? you would give up a #1 for a top ten QB? Really? That would cost you more than a #1 for gods sake. And you just KNOW he’s top ten? YOU answered your own question. He’s a developmental QB, but one with a intriguing ceiling that is a verifiable target for a team without a QB or a pick until 67. Again, show me in writing your choice for an alternative pick in that spot....I’m holding my breath.
.......and we just can’t accept the fact that Caserio and his team decided to let the draft come to them? He got his target at 67 and did so without giving up his valuable draft capital.
He did trade up to get WR, Nico Collins. I consider this an excellent move since I see him as an Andre Johnson Lite who could become as good after a couple of NFL seasons.
So... Matt Schaub wasn't a solid starter?My drafting philosophy regarding a third rounder had already been stated; that guy has to become a solid starter.
For the QB position; however, I don't want to get stuck with another Schaub's level play.
I guess I haven't been able to express myself in such a way that you can understand.So... Matt Schaub wasn't a solid starter?
What if we get Kirk Cousins level play out of him?
Just to give us a two/three year window to build a team that a Pat Mahomes or Russell Wilson could take to the Super Bowl
& I don't like the pick, but I'd be happy if he turns into the next Matt Schaub
Seems to be par for the course.I guess I haven't been able to express myself in such a way that you can understand.
Are you saying Schaub (that's the name you used) or Cousins were "so-so"?You get a so-so QB, you might be in the playoffs, but it's hard to get to the big game.
I think I get your point. Texans didn't have a pick until rd 3, because of that it should have been someone who had the greatest potential to be a solid contributor right away and you don't think Davis Mills fits that thought process. The problem I have with that train of thought (if I'm on the right track) is that if Davis Mills is one of the highest ranked players on their board (BPA) that is available at the time of the pick then it worked out for them. If you disagree with that or he flops that's on the Texans staff. Let me ask you this, would Davis Mills be an ok pick at #67 if there were no issues with DW4 and he was still wanting to be the QB for the Texans?I guess I haven't been able to express myself in such a way that you can understand.
What I mean is that a solid starter in most any other position is fine for a third rounder, but not for the QB position.
You get a so-so QB, you might be in the playoffs, but it's hard to get to the big game.
You could have a top receiver who gets wide open deep, but if the QB get sacked because he missed the blitz, the ball never has the chance to get there.
That's a big opportunity missed and you can't afford that in a big game.
Texans didn't have a pick until rd 3, because of that it should have been someone who had the greatest potential to be a solid contributor right away and you don't think Davis Mills fit
delete. I was quoting a banned 1976 post.I already have my choice in the relevant thread; the Olineman that was drafted at the next spot.
I'm not one to shy away from an argument; you just haven't had one with me.
So... Matt Schaub wasn't a solid starter?
Do you realize ít took Schaub 5 years to become a so-so QB (in the 6th year) and that the Texans we're 16-17 with him in year 6-7?Are you saying Schaub (that's the name you used) or Cousins were "so-so"?
Heck I'd be happy if he's got an iron jaw like Fitz & just keep getting up when everyone is telling him to stay down.
& I'd be thrilled if QB was the only thing keeping the Texans out of the playoffs the next two years.
I had mentioned the Patriots with Tom Brady.I think I get your point. Texans didn't have a pick until rd 3, because of that it should have been someone who had the greatest potential to be a solid contributor right away and you don't think Davis Mills fits that thought process. The problem I have with that train of thought (if I'm on the right track) is that if Davis Mills is one of the highest ranked players on their board (BPA) that is available at the time of the pick then it worked out for them. If you disagree with that or he flops that's on the Texans staff. Let me ask you this, would Davis Mills be an ok pick at #67 if there were no issues with DW4 and he was still wanting to be the QB for the Texans?
Did the Texans trade up to get Watson?
Does that answer my question?
The Texans seem not to think that highly of Mills to move up to try to secure him, unlike the previous GM who traded up to get a chance to draft Watson.
So that OL that Missed the blitz obviously wasn’t the one taken in the third round. Got to the big game with him but damn, you just hate how he missed that blitz and lost the big game. I mean this is so obvious why didn’t I see that?I guess I haven't been able to express myself in such a way that you can understand.
What I mean is that a solid starter in most any other position is fine for a third rounder, but not for the QB position.
You get a so-so QB, you might be in the playoffs, but it's hard to get to the big game.
You could have a top receiver who gets wide open deep, but if the QB get sacked because he missed the blitz, the ball never has the chance to get there.
That's a big opportunity missed and you can't afford that in a big game.
Sounds like you’re saying competition will make it (OL) better.
Good analysis. The only thing I take a bit of exception to is when you state that you don't see this team as having talent; because this coaching staff and team haven't even had their first training camp together. You maybe could have an opinion of the talent level of individual players based on past performance, but football is a team sport and we simply have no idea yet as to how this collection of players and coaching will perform as a team. Maybe because I see the glass as half full, but I think a wait and see attitude is the attitude to take at this time.Schaub is a type of QB who can thrive with a solid team built around him. He was a middling QB who got elevated when the team around him got significantly better. Arian Foster bringing the run game and Son of Bum bringing the defense. Not to mention having one of the best WR in the game, a solid o-line, and a coach who knew how to take advantage of his players skill sets. It is yet to be seen if the Texans have that on the coaching side now, but they certainly don't have any of the other.
Ryan Tannehill is a middling QB whose game elevated when he got a better team around him. Put him on the Texans right now and he's back to what he was in Miami, if not worse.
The Texans don't have a QB on the roster that has the skills to cover some of his teams deficiencies. They did with Watson until the deficiencies became so overwhelming with the stripping down of talent. The QBs they have now need a stronger team around them. And I'm talking Taylor and Mills here. Finley and Driskel are probably garbage. They need a strong run game, they need a solid OL, they need skill players, and they need a defense that can give them a chance to win games. I don't see the Texans having any of that right now.
So if Mills is to reach the level of play of a Matt Schaub, he's going to need a whole lot of help with this roster.
Schaub is a type of QB who can thrive with a solid team built around him. He was a middling QB who got elevated when the team around him got significantly better. Arian Foster bringing the run game and Son of Bum bringing the defense. Not to mention having one of the best WR in the game, a solid o-line, and a coach who knew how to take advantage of his players skill sets. It is yet to be seen if the Texans have that on the coaching side now, but they certainly don't have any of the other.
Ryan Tannehill is a middling QB whose game elevated when he got a better team around him. Put him on the Texans right now and he's back to what he was in Miami, if not worse.
The Texans don't have a QB on the roster that has the skills to cover some of his teams deficiencies. They did with Watson until the deficiencies became so overwhelming with the stripping down of talent. The QBs they have now need a stronger team around them. And I'm talking Taylor and Mills here. Finley and Driskel are probably garbage. They need a strong run game, they need a solid OL, they need skill players, and they need a defense that can give them a chance to win games. I don't see the Texans having any of that right now.
So if Mills is to reach the level of play of a Matt Schaub, he's going to need a whole lot of help with this roster.
Good analysis. The only thing I take a bit of exception to is when you state that you don't see this team as having talent; because this coaching staff and team haven't even had their first training camp together. You maybe could have an opinion of the talent level of individual players based on past performance, but football is a team sport and we simply have no idea yet as to how this collection of players and coaching will perform as a team. Maybe because I see the glass as half full, but I think a wait and see attitude is the attitude to take at this time.
So that OL that Missed the blitz obviously wasn’t the one taken in the third round. Got to the big game with him but damn, you just hate how he missed that blitz and lost the big game. I mean this is so obvious why didn’t I see that?
And proven talent if healthy. Good thing is I posted the reasons they should be healthy. Plus the proven track records of playing on some of the best OLs in the NFL.
I sure hope so. I think many us believe it can't be worse than what Devlin was producing but...A much more talented unit and an upgrade in coaching. The OL is easily the most talented/deepest unit on the team.
A much more talented unit and an upgrade in coaching. The OL is easily the most talented/deepest unit on the team.
No he doesn’t. He can be Tannehill in Miami & still be a solid starter. We’re talking about a third round pick & the expectations one should have.So if Mills is to reach the level of play of a Matt Schaub, he's going to need a whole lot of help with this roster.
& if he wasn’t a solid starter, they never would have built a playoff team. They’d have been like the Jags or Jets the last 15 yearsDo you realize ít took Schaub 5 years to become a so-so QB (in the 6th year) and that the Texans we're 16-17 with him in year 6-7?
That wasn’t the question.Yes, I'll pass on both Schaub and Cousins.
Not really. Like SteelBTexian said. We know what they brought in on the OL. We know what they brought in at RB with Lindsay & Ingram.This is what I echoed to Speedy a few weeks ago. We have to wait and see exactly what we have once some games are played.
The cuts begin.The Texans have cut OT Cohl Cabral.
You know Justin Britt made some interesting observations. No doubt he and the OL have been talking together about wanting to run the ball. He noted the Texans were at or near the top in passing yards but were at the bottom in rushing attempts last year. He noted the importance of running to set up the pass. Perhaps the amazing Houdini just might have been more selfish than we thought. Gotta pull those theatrics to buy time for the best Bud to finally get open Or perhaps because he just wasn’t that good at reading defenses? I don’t know but always pulling rabbits out of a hat perhaps means you don’t know how else to do it.Not really. Like SteelBTexian said. We know what they brought in on the OL. We know what they brought in at RB with Lindsay & Ingram.
The run game should be better (I’m not saying best in the league) than it was last season.
Defense can’t be worse.
I’m not predicting a 10 win season. But it will be more entertaining than last year which was all about the amazing houdini.
Good analysis. The only thing I take a bit of exception to is when you state that you don't see this team as having talent; because this coaching staff and team haven't even had their first training camp together. You maybe could have an opinion of the talent level of individual players based on past performance, but football is a team sport and we simply have no idea yet as to how this collection of players and coaching will perform as a team. Maybe because I see the glass as half full, but I think a wait and see attitude is the attitude to take at this time.