Dejaview
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We must have hated the **** out of Trevor Lawrence according to that fine logic.
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TxnsJuggernaut1
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Three seems likely. I agree with you.
I see the OL looking something like this.
LT- Tunsil- Top 5 LT.
LG - Howard, will be much better inside at LG.
C- Britt, took off a Covid yr and his body should be healthier than it's been in yrs.
RG- Taylor, Multi yr starter for playoff teams. Tore ACL early, should be back at full strength by TC.
RT- Cannon, Multi yr starter at RT for multiple SB champs.
Scharping- fights it out for interior backup spots at all positions.
Heck/Rod Johnson/Christian - Fight it out for OT spots.
Good thing is Cannon and Howard can play both interior and OT positions.
Agreed about Hargreaves.
Who says anything about giving up a #1 next year?
On the other hand, as a GM, even if I had to give up a future no. 1 for a QB I really think can be a top 10 QB; I'd do it in a heartbeat.
The Vikings have Cousins; the Buccs have Brady.
Neither team has to try to trade up for a non-sure prospect.
At the end of the day, you answer your own question.
You don't think Mills is worth much so you're not willing to trade up to make sure you get him in the fold.
Mills is a developmental QB.
End of story.
Did the Texans trade up to get Watson?
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Supposedly.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
The Texans seem not to think that highly of Mills to move up to try to secure him, unlike the previous GM who traded up to get a chance to draft Watson.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
So by your rational, every pick we didn't trade up for is unwanted? Thanks for chiming in.
Who says anything about unwanted?
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Nahhhh nah nah. Don't back step now. If we did really want him we would've traded up. That's essentially what you said.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
.......and we just can’t accept the fact that Caserio and his team decided to let the draft come to them? He got his target at 67 and did so without giving up his valuable draft capital.
He did trade up to get WR, Nico Collins. I consider this an excellent move since I see him as an Andre Johnson Lite who could become as good after a couple of NFL seasons.
He did trade up to get WR, Nico Collins. I consider this an excellent move since I see him as an Andre Johnson Lite who could become as good after a couple of NFL seasons.
Dejaview
All Pro
Lol, end of story means your ass is in a bind and you want this to just go away to save face. Where do you KNOW the Texans had him on their board? So what price would you pay for him? bTW, Mills is a developmental QB....no ****? The Texans didn’t pick until the third round. That’s a TON of leverage, right chief? you would give up a #1 for a top ten QB? Really? That would cost you more than a #1 for gods sake. And you just KNOW he’s top ten? YOU answered your own question. He’s a developmental QB, but one with a intriguing ceiling that is a verifiable target for a team without a QB or a pick until 67. Again, show me in writing your choice for an alternative pick in that spot....I’m holding my breath.
Sounds like you’re saying competition will make it (OL) better.
I already have my choice in the relevant thread; the Olineman that was drafted at the next spot.
I'm not one to shy away from an argument; you just haven't had one with me.
Highly regarded is different from merely wanted.
The Niners gave up 2 future first rounders plus to move up a few notches to get the guy they regard highly.
Now that's called swinging for the fence.
Whether the guy turns out to be worthy of the attention is irrelevant.
Their fans can't say that the FO take the QB situation lightly.
You answer the question for me, thank you.
Why did you like the trade up that sent 3 extra picks away to get Collins?
Because you see him as AJ lite.
Mills isn't Brady lite or even Andrew Luck lite so NC was willing to wait and see if he falls to their spot.
The first round pick was just an example since you brought it up.
I simply respond that it's a no-brainer for me to give up a extra first rounder; I'm willing to give up a heck a lot more than that for a QB that has both the football smart (know how to take advantage of an encroachment penalty call and go long, can identify blitzes, can recognize an overload, a certain coverage disguise - to the extent that I had seen college guys like Russell Wilson did) and the tools.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
So you applaud him for saving that valuable draft capital to get his guy at 67, but then you also applaud him for tossing that valuable draft capital on Collins? And what about the double move up to get a 5th rounder?
Look, if you get the players you want, great. Just seems like they didn't have a very good plan going about it.
So... Matt Schaub wasn't a solid starter?
What if we get Kirk Cousins level play out of him?
Just to give us a two/three year window to build a team that a Pat Mahomes or Russell Wilson could take to the Super Bowl
& I don't like the pick, but I'd be happy if he turns into the next Matt Schaub
I guess I haven't been able to express myself in such a way that you can understand.
What I mean is that a solid starter in most any other position is fine for a third rounder, but not for the QB position.
You get a so-so QB, you might be in the playoffs, but it's hard to get to the big game.
You could have a top receiver who gets wide open deep, but if the QB get sacked because he missed the blitz, the ball never has the chance to get there.
That's a big opportunity missed and you can't afford that in a big game.
Seems to be par for the course.
Are you saying Schaub (that's the name you used) or Cousins were "so-so"?
Heck I'd be happy if he's got an iron jaw like Fitz & just keep getting up when everyone is telling him to stay down.
& I'd be thrilled if QB was the only thing keeping the Texans out of the playoffs the next two years.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
I think I get your point. Texans didn't have a pick until rd 3, because of that it should have been someone who had the greatest potential to be a solid contributor right away and you don't think Davis Mills fits that thought process. The problem I have with that train of thought (if I'm on the right track) is that if Davis Mills is one of the highest ranked players on their board (BPA) that is available at the time of the pick then it worked out for them. If you disagree with that or he flops that's on the Texans staff. Let me ask you this, would Davis Mills be an ok pick at #67 if there were no issues with DW4 and he was still wanting to be the QB for the Texans?
Interesting way of thinking. But a third round pick is a third round pick. Unless we're talking about a gimmick type player... pass rush specialist, third down back, KR, he's not likely to make an immediate impact.
Third rounder probably turn into a bonafide starter two maybe three years later regardless.
If Mills can start anytime in 2022 we're ahead of the game.
Dejaview
All Pro
delete. I was quoting a banned 1976 post.
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beerlover
Hall of Fame
2021 NFL Draft will go down as the year of the QB reach. I’m much more comfortable reaching in the 3rd (given Watson uncertainty) than moving up into the 1st, hell the top 10 to get one.
There are no guarantees. You take a chance when you are able and regroup another year. One thing for sure is, Mills is in good hands with Pep and OL is decent.
There are no guarantees. You take a chance when you are able and regroup another year. One thing for sure is, Mills is in good hands with Pep and OL is decent.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Schaub is a type of QB who can thrive with a solid team built around him. He was a middling QB who got elevated when the team around him got significantly better. Arian Foster bringing the run game and Son of Bum bringing the defense. Not to mention having one of the best WR in the game, a solid o-line, and a coach who knew how to take advantage of his players skill sets. It is yet to be seen if the Texans have that on the coaching side now, but they certainly don't have any of the other.
Ryan Tannehill is a middling QB whose game elevated when he got a better team around him. Put him on the Texans right now and he's back to what he was in Miami, if not worse.
The Texans don't have a QB on the roster that has the skills to cover some of his teams deficiencies. They did with Watson until the deficiencies became so overwhelming with the stripping down of talent. The QBs they have now need a stronger team around them. And I'm talking Taylor and Mills here. Finley and Driskel are probably garbage. They need a strong run game, they need a solid OL, they need skill players, and they need a defense that can give them a chance to win games. I don't see the Texans having any of that right now.
So if Mills is to reach the level of play of a Matt Schaub, he's going to need a whole lot of help with this roster.
Do you realize ít took Schaub 5 years to become a so-so QB (in the 6th year) and that the Texans we're 16-17 with him in year 6-7?
Cousins began to have so-so numbers in year 4 (but only if you don't look at it in depth). Just google 'Kirk Cousins turnover machine" to learn about his up and downs.
By year 5, the team (that were the Redskins then) was 5th in spending on the offense.
That's the story with him; the Redskins just couldn't go anywhere with him at QB (no playoffs).
His first season in Minn was a flop.
He lost at least 2 games, and quite likely 3 for them with his pick-sixes and fumblings.
Kubiak then reigned him in the following year to accentuate the running game, especially with Dalvin Cooks. The Vikings were 30th in pass attempts.
They went to the playoffs on the heels of that and a defense that was 5th in points allowed.
He won his only playoff game thanks to 40 carries in the running game that allowed the Vikings to control the clock.
Then Cousins had another underwhelming year again, last year, with his penchant for fumbling.
He has a fairly good amount of empty stats against weaklings like the Lions, the Jags, the Falcons, and the Cowboys.
It's great if you have him playing the Lions all year long (he had 6 TDs and no INT against them.)
......
Yes, I'll pass on both Schaub and Cousins.
Especially when you don't have a guy like Kubiak that can teach the zone blocking scheme well (to let you spend less draft capital as well as money, at least on the offensive line.)
I had mentioned the Patriots with Tom Brady.
When the team is already solid, you can afford to spend a third rounder or even a second rounder on a QB.
Unfortunately
It doesn't
Or the previous GM who wouldn't trade up for Jimmy G and never drafted a QB before the 6th Rd until McNair gave him an ultimatum to draft a QB and he screwed that up. Is that the GM you're talking about?
Dejaview
All Pro
So that OL that Missed the blitz obviously wasn’t the one taken in the third round. Got to the big game with him but damn, you just hate how he missed that blitz and lost the big game. I mean this is so obvious why didn’t I see that?
And proven talent if healthy. Good thing is I posted the reasons they should be healthy. Plus the proven track records of playing on some of the best OLs in the NFL.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Good analysis. The only thing I take a bit of exception to is when you state that you don't see this team as having talent; because this coaching staff and team haven't even had their first training camp together. You maybe could have an opinion of the talent level of individual players based on past performance, but football is a team sport and we simply have no idea yet as to how this collection of players and coaching will perform as a team. Maybe because I see the glass as half full, but I think a wait and see attitude is the attitude to take at this time.
So you're still on the Kubiak/DW4 train that ran off the tracks. Guys who won nothing here in Houston. Got it.
I think y'all are underestimating Schaub. 2009 Schaub was actually quite good as was Schaub in ATL before he got traded to Houston.
Kubiak was great at identifying QBs. I just wish RS had listened to him and drafted a QB sometime during their decade together. Obviously Caserio values the QB position.
Texansballer74
The Marine
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Texansballer74
The Marine
This is what I echoed to Speedy a few weeks ago. We have to wait and see exactly what we have once some games are played.
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Thanks for calling out some of the BS that's being spewed on this MB.
Fact is we don't know how Mills is going to turn out. We do know the coaches were very familiar with his game. I'm just glad Caserio took a shot on a QB he likes and hope he continues to do so until he finds his guy.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
A much more talented unit and an upgrade in coaching. The OL is easily the most talented/deepest unit on the team.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
I sure hope so. I think many us believe it can't be worse than what Devlin was producing but...
A huge change from the previous regime.
No he doesn’t. He can be Tannehill in Miami & still be a solid starter. We’re talking about a third round pick & the expectations one should have.
Tannehill, Schaub, Dalton, Keenum, etc... these guys aren’t going to elevate your team to championship contention (which of course you ultimately want), but they’re not going to make a good team look bad. Like a David Carr, or Jonny Manzell.
With guys like that you’re constantly fixing the same thing & your team goes nowhere.
While you’re looking for your Mahomes, or Rogers, imo, it’s nice to have a Tannehill or Schaub taking snaps. Even a Fitzpatrick, ideally an Alex Smith. But not a Hoyer, or Rosenfells
& if he wasn’t a solid starter, they never would have built a playoff team. They’d have been like the Jags or Jets the last 15 years
That wasn’t the question.
Not really. Like SteelBTexian said. We know what they brought in on the OL. We know what they brought in at RB with Lindsay & Ingram.
The run game should be better (I’m not saying best in the league) than it was last season.
Defense can’t be worse.
I’m not predicting a 10 win season. But it will be more entertaining than last year which was all about the amazing houdini.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
The cuts begin.
I expect about another 3 dozen or so transactions and cuts yet as other teams cut to finalize their rosters and Texans trim theirs and scavenge a few more they like.
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Dejaview
All Pro
You know Justin Britt made some interesting observations. No doubt he and the OL have been talking together about wanting to run the ball. He noted the Texans were at or near the top in passing yards but were at the bottom in rushing attempts last year. He noted the importance of running to set up the pass. Perhaps the amazing Houdini just might have been more selfish than we thought. Gotta pull those theatrics to buy time for the best Bud to finally get open Or perhaps because he just wasn’t that good at reading defenses? I don’t know but always pulling rabbits out of a hat perhaps means you don’t know how else to do it.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I'm simply in a prove it to me 1st mode.
Analyzing this team, I just don't see the playmakers, on either side of the ball. If you do, so be it. I don't. Cooks is a decent receiver, but in all of his 1,000 yard seasons, he's never even been named to a Pro Bowl. And if people are going to say that they only won 4 games with the numbers Watson put up last year, but then turn around and tell me that Cooks can give me 1,000 yard season to make this year's team better, well that just doesn't make any sense. Cooks had 1,100 yards on a 4 win team last year too.
Even if Lindsay gives you something in the run game, how long do they give every opportunity to Johnson before turning it over to him? Is Ingram washed up? They were phasing him out in Baltimore for a reason.
The talent of individual players on past performance? I see a few guys who've started a few games per year, but never been THE guy. Coaching only goes so far, you still have to have talent. I can see the o-line improving with just coaching alone. I mean they looked like chickens with their heads cut off trying to get out and block on simple screens. I suspect that will improve. Will they have a pass rush? That's kind of important. I know JJ hasn't been the all world player we once knew, but he still drew a lot of attention, and nobody else was able to step up. Now there's no JJ to draw that attention. Who steps up? You can tell me this guy or that, but based on past performance, I don't see it. They're gonna have to prove it to me first.
Maybe they can find a couple of diamonds in these thousand moves they've made, and if so, great. But, I need to see it because there's not much there to go on from my viewpoint.