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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

amazing80 said:
This is a pointless post. Not everyone feels about COVID like you do. Plenty of people carried on with life. As a Dr, you obviously have a different view, but going down this rabbit hole is pointless.
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You missed the point. Watson was supposed to abide by the NFL and Texans COVID protocols regardless of how he felt about it. He was not to engage in reckless behavior.

Soliciting the Swedish massages from 20+ Instagram licensed and unlicensed massage therapists would probably fit in that description.
 
thunderkyss said:
Do your customers ask for the “happy ending” or is it just understood? & if you don’t talk about it how does the customer know how much money to leave?

Asking for a friend.
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LOL. I can’t say thats ever happened. If it did I’d terminate the session immediately. I don‘t have people get undressed. I ask people to wear loose fitting clothes. The work I do usually involves movement. For example if I’m working on a leg I’ll have someone perform some exercises before and after to see if we’ve gotten any improvement
 
So we know little about the demographic characteristics of the plaintiffs other than their gender, right ?
So it occurs to me that if they are primarily white, with the George Floyd trial just now beginning what we have then is a potential PR advantage for Watson because I can almost imagine a caricature of Tony Busbee with his knee on the neck of a prone and helpless DW4.
 
IDEXAN said:
So we know little about the demographic characteristics of the plaintiffs other than their gender, right ?
So it occurs to me that if they are primarily white, with the George Floyd trial just now beginning what we have then is a potential PR advantage for Watson because I can almost imagine a caricature of Tony Busbee with his knee on the neck of a prone and helpless DW4.
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Of the first twelve lawsuits filed, 7 of the ladies were Black, 3 White, and 2 Hispanic. Not sure the ethnicities of the others.
 
I knew this would happen. Darius Leonard of the Colts has gone public & said there's a double standard, comparing coverage of Watson to Chad Wheeler. Big difference, no one ever heard of Chad Wheeler, but Deshaun Watson is nearly a household name!
 
"I never had sex with that woman" Bill Clinton

Don't see where Watson had "sex" with any of these women. Did he not return the 'stimulations'.

After all the foreplay, no sex? Makes me wonder, is he gay?

Not that there's anything wrong with that. So they say.

:coffee:
 
TexansBull said:
The problem wasn’t drafting Watson. It was the development of Watson letting him and Hopkins get away with this conduct off of the field.
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I'm curious, I've seen several people making comments in regards to Hopkins, what has he done? I'm not defending anyone here, I've simply not heard (encountered) any stories about Hopkins (or Hopkins & Watson). Help ? :)
 
Malloy said:
I'm curious, I've seen several people making comments in regards to Hopkins, what has he done? I'm not defending anyone here, I've simply not heard (encountered) any stories about Hopkins (or Hopkins & Watson). Help ? :)
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Rumor is Hopkins was traded because he was a bad influence on Watson
 
No that's kinda part of the conspiracy. Rumor is Watsons mom called the Texans about DH being a bad influence and leading her son astray, maybe involved with hookers or such, so DH was traded. But now with everything coming out it brings up the point was is DH or was it DW And he told momma it was DH leading to the reported phone call better a star Texan player's mom and the front office.
 
TW1998 said:
No that's kinda part of the conspiracy. Rumor is Watsons mom called the Texans about DH being a bad influence and leading her son astray, maybe involved with hookers or such, so DH was traded. But now with everything coming out it brings up the point was is DH or was it DW And he told momma it was DH leading to the reported phone call better a star Texan player's mom and the front office.
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Thanks. I must have missed that whole thing... 'missed'... :)
 
No momma, it wasn't my idea to order the hookers and Instagram masseuse! That was Deandre! You should be mad at him!!! Now can I have my pudding pops?


lol... I just can't imagine a grown man using that excuse at this point in life. I know, there's a lot of maturity developed between years 21-30, but what a joke of a human. This guy is supposed to be a leader of men in the huddle? Yeah right...
 
TexansBull said:
I disagree. Had OB been able to develop an offense, hire and OC, and work with a QB like Fitz, Hoyer, Mallett, Yates, Keenum, Osweiler, or Savage we never had to have drafted Watson.

Or - had he grown a pair and stood up to Watson and Hopkins and told them to cut that **** out early on we would be here. Even benched or suspended them we could have nipped this early on. No - he brought in Easterby to take care of it.

The problem wasn’t drafting Watson. It was the development of Watson letting him and Hopkins get away with this conduct off of the field.

Either way OB is part of the any way you look at it.
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Like anybody was going to build an offense around those guys and who was in charge of getting QB's? According to those who know under Kubiak, that would've been RS.

I've heard through back channels BOB tried to do this and he failed, then Cal hired Easterby. Easterby was hired while Gaine was GM and Easterby was a Cal hire.

The problem with drafting a sexual deviant at best and a sexual predator at worst is you can try all of the things you listed and more and you wont change their behavior. Janice after talking to DW4's mom and DW4's mom probably telling Janice that DW4 would straighten up if they would get rid of Hopkins was the Texans orgs last gap effort to try to help DW4 and we all know how this is turning out.

Nope, the issue was drafting DW4 in the 1st place and that fell directly on RS. The Texans org is going to suffer another 3-4 yrs because of that 1 decision RS made that nobody else in the draft room obviously wanted him to make.

BTW, we haven't heard from the smartest man in the room lately. (RS) and all of his bragging about the drafting of a sexual deviant.
 
Hopkins forced his way out by asking for a raise. He wanted out because he was done with Bill O’Brien and that offense. Then the rumors started coming out. The bad influence and baby momma drama
 
TW1998 said:
No that's kinda part of the conspiracy. Rumor is Watsons mom called the Texans about DH being a bad influence and leading her son astray, maybe involved with hookers or such, so DH was traded. But now with everything coming out it brings up the point was is DH or was it DW And he told momma it was DH leading to the reported phone call better a star Texan player's mom and the front office.
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It's not just rumor. Watson's mother initially approached O'Brien, after which they both took it to the FO/McNair.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Hopkins forced his way out by asking for a raise. He wanted out because he was done with Bill O’Brien and that offense. Then the rumors started coming out. The bad influence and baby momma drama
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Hopkins was traded before Watson asked out. The baby mama drama stuff came out then. The Watson’s mom called Cal’s Mom came out right after that.
 
steelbtexan said:
Like anybody was going to build an offense around those guys and who was in charge of getting QB's? According to those who know under Kubiak, that would've been RS.

I've heard through back channels BOB tried to do this and he failed, then Cal hired Easterby. Easterby was hired while Gaine was GM and Easterby was a Cal hire.

The problem with drafting a sexual deviant at best and a sexual predator at worst is you can try all of the things you listed and more and you wont change their behavior. Janice after talking to DW4's mom and DW4's mom probably telling Janice that DW4 would straighten up if they would get rid of Hopkins was the Texans orgs last gap effort to try to help DW4 and we all know how this is turning out.

Nope, the issue was drafting DW4 in the 1st place and that fell directly on RS. The Texans org is going to suffer another 3-4 yrs because of that 1 decision RS made that nobody else in the draft room obviously wanted him to make.

BTW, we haven't heard from the smartest man in the room lately. (RS) and all of his bragging about the drafting of a sexual deviant.
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1. Rick Smith would get the players OB asked for. OB asked for the NE castoffs in Mallett and Hoyer. Also, OB said he was in on the decision to get Osweiller. That’s 100% on OB. Rick Smith would trade draft picks for players like Jalen Strong because that’s what OB wanted. The drafting strategy was night and day from Kubiak to OB. Rick Smith was in charge of getting the players OB wanted and OB wanted crap and couldn’t turn those turds into nothing else but what they were - turds.

2. OB has come out and said he wanted DW too so that’s a mute point. Who was better? Trubisky? Cmon man. At the end of the day OB was trying to figure a job that was too big for him. He couldn’t manage offense or the players.

3. Drafting a sexual deviant? Was that on the draft report? I missed it.

You obviously have never dealt with addicts or addiction so let’s get real like you knew he was one.

Addictions come in a variety of forms such as soda, alcohol, cigarettes, sex, meth, drugs, etc. You get introduced and some people get more hooked than others.

Addiction is a real sickness. Watson is really sick. He needs help.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It's not just rumor. Watson's mother initially approached O'Brien, after which they both took it to the FO/McNair.
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Out of curiosity, instead of O'Brien and his bull in the China shop personality, did the character coach provide any counseling or stage an intervention before escalating to the McNairs? Maybe the more polished, character coach would have worded the "rumored" conversation with Hopkins a little different than baby mommas and Aaron Hernandez.
 
Earl34 said:
Out of curiosity, instead of O'Brien and his bull in the China shop personality, did the character coach provide any counseling or stage an intervention before escalating to the McNairs? Maybe the more polished, character coach would have worded the "rumored" conversation with Hopkins a little different than baby mommas and Aaron Hernandez.
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I mean what good would that have done considering many of those players launched a fire Jack campaign
 
Earl34 said:
Out of curiosity, instead of O'Brien and his bull in the China shop personality, did the character coach provide any counseling or stage an intervention before escalating to the McNairs? Maybe the more polished, character coach would have worded the "rumored" conversation with Hopkins a little different than baby mommas and Aaron Hernandez.
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OB is so clueless.

The appropriate comparison when having baby mommas is Antonio Cromartie.

Watson will be lucky if he doesn’t go to jail like Aaron Hernandez.
 
Earl34 said:
Out of curiosity, instead of O'Brien and his bull in the China shop personality, did the character coach provide any counseling or stage an intervention before escalating to the McNairs? Maybe the more polished, character coach would have worded the "rumored" conversation with Hopkins a little different than baby mommas and Aaron Hernandez.
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Concerns were addressed appropriately behind closed doors by others in the organization. O'Brien's single "interaction" was the only one reported. And the O'Brien comment re. Hopkins having too much control in the locker room was misleading and misreported...........as it related specifically to Hopkins and his apparent bad influence on Watson. Unfortunately as relates to the many involved Texans "characters," too many times, fans and media give the white hats to the "villains" and the black hats to the "good guys."
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Had a discussion with a friend of mine about the Watson situation. We came up with a very poignant question. Where are the women's advocate/activist groups??? NOW? METOO? Where are any of them? :thinking:idonno::cricket::cricket:
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One reason is that a lot of people that side with MeToo still believe the whole thing is a hoax to destroy Watson.

Conversely, a lot of people that thought MeToo was full of **** back in the day now believe these accusations wholeheartedly.

I find both to be fascinating really.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Had a discussion with a friend of mine about the Watson situation. We came up with a very poignant question. Where are the women's advocate/activist groups??? NOW? METOO? Where are any of them? :thinking:idonno::cricket::cricket:
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The1ApplePie said:
One reason is that a lot of people that side with MeToo still believe the whole thing is a hoax to destroy Watson.

Conversely, a lot of people that thought MeToo was full of **** back in the day now believe these accusations wholeheartedly.

I find both to be fascinating really.
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#MeToo doesn’t care about Houston Sports just like the rest of the world.
 
The1ApplePie said:
One reason is that a lot of people that side with MeToo still believe the whole thing is a hoax to destroy Watson.

Conversely, a lot of people that thought MeToo was full of **** back in the day now believe these accusations wholeheartedly.

I find both to be fascinating really.
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Not so much fascinating as disingenuous, when MeToo has immediately backed others that alleged but demonstrated no proof of sexual assault.
 
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SI: A Massage Therapist on Her Session With Deshaun Watson
Mary says she was subjected to inappropriate behavior from Watson in 2019—and found out she wasn’t the only one. She isn’t among the Tony Buzbee clients filing suit, but wants her story told.
...She is working with U.A. Lewis, a civil rights attorney, to explore her options.

“The one thing I keep thinking about is, he’s about to get traded to another place,” Mary says. “What if he goes to Atlanta or California or anywhere else? He would have a whole new community of massage therapists to target.” Moreover, Watson’s blanket denial of ever treating women with disrespect helped spur Mary to speak up and lend her voice as a witness. “More than anything, the fact that he’s denying all the allegations makes it more of a reason for us to use our voice and say what we have to say,” she says.

Mary also wants the information she is sharing to spur Watson to get help, and to be used in a way that helps establish a higher respect level for the massage therapy profession, which she and many of her colleagues entered into with the goal of helping people. “I just want a genuine apology, for us and our community, for putting us in these situations where we don't know what to do,” she says. “There are so many people that are against us, saying, ‘Why would he do that? He has no reason to do that. He has a beautiful girlfriend; he has this, this, this and this.’ All of those things are true, but fame doesn't create character.”

Mary makes clear that Watson did not touch her, nor did he force her into conducting any sexual acts. But she says he did engage in behavior that was both inappropriate and unlike any other interaction she’s had with any of her more than 1,000 clients—including other professional athletes—in her several years working as a massage therapist...

She used the oversize towel to drape him until about 45 minutes into the session, when she says he tossed the towel onto the floor, saying it was too itchy. Watson was lying face up on the table, naked and totally uncovered, something Mary says has never happened during any of her other massage appointments. “I was in shock,” Mary says. She proceeded with the massage without the towel, knowing that her payment was coming from another therapist. “I trusted the therapist that referred him to me that nothing weird was going to happen.”

After 90 minutes, Watson asked to extend the session for another hour. She continued to work only on his quads, inner thighs and abdomen—the specific areas he requested. Watson developed an erection, she says, and also began clenching and slowly “thrusting the air.” Mary at first wondered whether his movements were a pain response to her deep-tissue work, so she asked whether he was O.K. She says he replied that he was fine and stopped thrusting for a short time. Mary learned during her massage training that erections can develop as a relaxation response. She recalls situations in the past when that’s happened to a client while they dozed off; they usually become embarrassed when they realize it and start talking about something random to divert their thoughts. If that doesn’t work, she’ll sometimes switch to a more painful massage technique. But Watson’s behavior indicated to her that “his intentions were different.” She adds, “There was one point that he did tell me that I could move [his penis] if I needed to, and I just completely ignored him.” She took this as a suggestion to touch his exposed penis.

Watson stayed on his back for the entire session. While massaging his abdomen, Mary says she noticed “different fluids on his stomach.” She remembers questioning whether it was really pre-ejaculate, telling herself, This can’t be what I think it is. In the final five to 10 minutes of the session, Mary says Watson began thrusting his pelvis in the air again, this time much faster. “At that point, I recognized it for what it was,” Mary says.
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THE WHOLE STORY
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
I can affirm that was a big part of the reason, but not all of it.
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the way the trade went down, w/some teams stating they were unaware DHop was being shopped, ive built an unfounded narrative in my mind

DHop was already on thin ice, not practicing, concerns about his off-the-field activities, plus the negative (perceived or not) influence on DW4...

when one day he did or said something offensive in Janice's presence

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TexansBull said:
1. Rick Smith would get the players OB asked for. OB asked for the NE castoffs in Mallett and Hoyer. Also, OB said he was in on the decision to get Osweiller. That’s 100% on OB. Rick Smith would trade draft picks for players like Jalen Strong because that’s what OB wanted. The drafting strategy was night and day from Kubiak to OB. Rick Smith was in charge of getting the players OB wanted and OB wanted crap and couldn’t turn those turds into nothing else but what they were - turds.

2. OB has come out and said he wanted DW too so that’s a mute point. Who was better? Trubisky? Cmon man. At the end of the day OB was trying to figure a job that was too big for him. He couldn’t manage offense or the players.

3. Drafting a sexual deviant? Was that on the draft report? I missed it.

You obviously have never dealt with addicts or addiction so let’s get real like you knew he was one.

Addictions come in a variety of forms such as soda, alcohol, cigarettes, sex, meth, drugs, etc. You get introduced and some people get more hooked than others.

Addiction is a real sickness. Watson is really sick. He needs help.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Not so much fascinating as disingenuous, when MeToo has immediately backed others that alleged but demonstrated no proof of sexual assault.
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I find the hypocrisy from both "sides" on this fascinating, to clarify. The MeToo silence is off-putting, but it is equally strange to see people that called for "innocent until proven guilty" or accusers liars, now believe everything without question.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
BOOM!

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SI: A Massage Therapist on Her Session With Deshaun Watson
Mary says she was subjected to inappropriate behavior from Watson in 2019—and found out she wasn’t the only one. She isn’t among the Tony Buzbee clients filing suit, but wants her story told.


THE WHOLE STORY
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Just read it. Tell you what this guy just isn't bright or just has one hell of an ego. The continued messaging to these women after the crap he pulls is crazy.
 
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