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Should we trade Watson?

Should we trade Watson?

  • Yes, without a doubt.

  • Yes, depending on compensation (please list your trade scenario).

  • No, never.

  • No, unless he plays hardball and sits.

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CloakNNNdagger said:
One thing that is being kept under the radar is that his questionable arm strength is due to a lingering left shoulder labrum injury that he sustained in 2018. He continues to be compromised by this injury, and it may only become worse with full-time play. Between this and his hip issue which classically shows degeneration in 2-3 years, Tua has too many questions to rely on his becoming an effective long-term franchise QB.
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Also, Tua has undergone 2 high ankle sprain tight rope surgeries..................in 2018 for a left high ankle sprain and in 2019 for a right high ankle sprain...............in total, a lot of wear on a QB before he has even taken 1 snap in the NFL. And he has had little play time last year to truly test any of his previous injuries. The team that goes for him will likely truly play the part of a real NFL test "dummy."
 
thunderkyss said:
Do you regularly speak to Carol, or are you making this up?

Just tell me the name of the publication you got this from & the date. I’ll post the link if I can find it.
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You know I made mention of this about 3 weeks back , long before any talking heads were onto the story , stating that I had heard Seattle wanted to move on from the Wilson cap hit & go with a QB on a rookie deal.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Also, Tua has undergone 2 high ankle sprain tight rope surgeries..................in 2018 for a left high ankle sprain and in 2019 for a right high ankle sprain...............in total, a lot of wear on a QB before he has even taken 1 snap in the NFL. And he has had little play time last year to truly test any of his previous injuries. The team that goes for him will likely truly play the part of a real NFL test "dummy."
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DONT. WANT.
 
thunderkyss said:
We got people here wanting to trade Watson for 3 first round picks. That doesn’t mean any of them believe we can’t win because of his contract.

This might have something to do with Russell Wilson saying he wants a seat at the table.
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It's what I believe and what history says.

As far as having a seat at the table that's above both of Wilson/DW4's pay grade.

Maybe some te will give them a seat (doubtful) but it won't be the Texans or the Seahawks.
 
thunderkyss said:
Do you regularly speak to Carol, or are you making this up?

Just tell me the name of the publication you got this from & the date. I’ll post the link if I can find it.
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Corrosion said:
You know I made mention of this about 3 weeks back , long before any talking heads were onto the story , stating that I had heard Seattle wanted to move on from the Wilson cap hit & go with a QB on a rookie deal.
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Here's the first mention of it I find in a quick search .... Feb 12th so two weeks ago


Corrosion said:
Seattle was talking about getting rid of Wilson and going with a QB on a rookie deal. Watson costs more than him over the next 4 years , can't see it.
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And another from Feb 14th.

Corrosion said:
I heard some reports a couple weeks ago that it was the Seahawks who were considering moving on from Wilson - because of the cap hit they were thinking about going with a rookie QB.
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Earl34 said:
Speaking of Russell Wilson. This is what started the trade talks. He talked about trusting the FO, having input into personnel and his problems with sacks and his OL. I think this started the trade talks on 02/09.

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The team was talking about moving on weeks prior to this. I recall hearing about it a week or so before the Superb Owl.
 
Corrosion said:
The team was talking about moving on weeks prior to this. I recall hearing about it a week or so before the Superb Owl.
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I get what you’re saying, but it doesn’t prove

steelbtexan said:
Because Carroll realizes that he cant win a SB with his QB making 40 mil
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Unless you have something were Pete Carroll says, “I realized I can’t win a SB with my QB making 40 mil” it could be some other reason he wants to eat $60M of dead money.

Because he was about to fired with those rookie QBs on rookie deals until Russell came along.
 
If the Texans are indeed not even listening that's great. Gains respect from me.

Let Watson continue to show how bitchmade he is. Oh you meet with the new coach but hey you still want out regardless huh? OK sure bro we'll get right on that. He'll lose the PR battle with his actions. And let other teams get desperate and up their offers.

There's plenty of time until the draft.

Let them dig their own graves.
 
thunderkyss said:
I get what you’re saying, but it doesn’t prove



Unless you have something were Pete Carroll says, “I realized I can’t win a SB with my QB making 40 mil” it could be some other reason he wants to eat $60M of dead money.

Because he was about to fired with those rookie QBs on rookie deals until Russell came along.
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lol exactly. Ole buddy is truly hung up on a QB making a certain percentage of the cap, kills the team chances at winning a SB.
 
Texansballer74 said:
lol exactly. Ole buddy is truly hung up on a QB making a certain percentage of the cap, kills the team chances at winning a SB.
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Really its a legit concern.

You look at Seattle talking about letting Wilson go , he's a top 5 or 6 QB according to most.

You look at Pittsburgh saying they want to keep Ben ..... but not at $42m or whatever his cap hit is for next year.

The fact that its been 26 years or whatever it is and no QB has won it all earning a greater percentage of the cap than 13.2% until Brady did it this year and that was only because of bonus money tied to actually winning a superbowl and its still in the same ballpark at ~13.7% of the cap .... that's a 5 tenths of a percentage point , a very tiny fraction and the two guys that did it are first ballot HOFers.

Brady didn't really move that needle ....

Bottom line here is that there are a few things you have to have to be in the fight for that superbowl.

1) A Quality QB
2) Protect that QB
3) he needs a couple guys to chuck it to that are above average.
4) You gotta have some semblance of a running game.
5) A competent defense.
6) Competent special teams.


Lets be honest , as great as Brady is , the Tampa Defense was the MVP of that championship game - They didn't allow a TD by one of the most explosive offenses we've ever seen.

Understanding that you have to build a quality TEAM , the idea of paying one guy over X makes sense because in paying that guy , you have less to spend on the rest of the TEAM.

Football is the ultimate TEAM sport. It may be QB driven but he can't do it alone.
 
Corrosion said:
Really its a legit concern.

You look at Seattle talking about letting Wilson go , he's a top 5 or 6 QB according to most.

You look at Pittsburgh saying they want to keep Ben ..... but not at $42m or whatever his cap hit is for next year.

The fact that its been 26 years or whatever it is and no QB has won it all earning a greater percentage of the cap than 13.2% until Brady did it this year and that was only because of bonus money tied to actually winning a superbowl and its still in the same ballpark at ~13.7% of the cap .... that's a 5 tenths of a percentage point , a very tiny fraction and the two guys that did it are first ballot HOFers.

Brady didn't really move that needle ....

Bottom line here is that there are a few things you have to have to be in the fight for that superbowl.

1) A Quality QB
2) Protect that QB
3) he needs a couple guys to chuck it to that are above average.
4) You gotta have some semblance of a running game.
5) A competent defense.
6) Competent special teams.


Lets be honest , as great as Brady is , the Tampa Defense was the MVP of that championship game - They didn't allow a TD by one of the most explosive offenses we've ever seen.

Understanding that you have to build a quality TEAM , the idea of paying one guy over X makes sense because in paying that guy , you have less to spend on the rest of the TEAM.

Football is the ultimate TEAM sport. It may be QB driven but he can't do it alone.
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Nobody is clamoring that a quarterback does it alone. And it's not an concern to those football executives that are paying these quarterbacks this type of money. But it is an concern to only you and Steel.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Nobody is clamoring that a quarterback does it alone. And it's not an concern to those football executives that are paying these quarterbacks this type of money. But it is an concern to only you and Steel.
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Then why are we talking about Seattle splitting ties with a top 5 QB over just that .... his cap hit.

Obviously it is a concern of some NFL exec's.
 
Cal prides himself on getting shafted in a deal as a matter of principle. We're taking the high road with DHop. How high? High enough to get shafted this much folks. 'You'll never go wrong doing the right thing' is the motto and bad trades are the result. This is carrying over to Watson and how they're handling the situation. We'll win on principle but get screwed in compensation because of that motto. Just watch.
 
Just thinking out loud. I know it would be costly but it's the same idea of yanking the bad-aid off versus slowly (for anothe rseason) removing the band-aid. If Watson is traded it will be costly and would make this move even tougher.....financially.

The Titans want to unload RT- Isaiah Wilson since he didn't become a good fit. He's still a massive talent at a position of need. Would the Titans take Tunsil and his contract in exchange for Wilson and 2021 RD1 pick? I don't think Tunsil would ever re-work his contract for the Texans but he may do so to join a contender.

I'd park Wilson at RT and move Howard inside to RG. Texans could play the Watson (trade with Miami) RD1 picks to their favor and still drop back in RD1. The Texans could walk away with a LT- Christian Darrisaw (VA Tech) inside the top 8 picks and still have the pick position to probably get C- Landon Dickerson (Bama) as well. This would give the Texans a tremendous and young OL to develop.

LT- Darrisaw / LG- Scharping / C- Dickerson / RG- Howard / RT- Wilson

By the way, the Texans would have Miami's RD1(s) 03, 18, and then let's say the Titans RD1-22 pick. Getting these picks and unloading cap eating salaries will do the Texans good in the long run. Yes, 2021 would be absolutely ugly financially but the future would be bright going forward, especially after the financial sting(er) was removed after the season.
 
Texansballer74 said:
That's not what's being reported. Wilson is the one demanding a trade because he fill excluded from the major decision making by the front office. Seattle wasn't trying to get rid of him.
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That's what's being reported today.

What I was told and relayed here two weeks ago was that the Seattle front office was considering a split with Wilson due to his cap hit ... Now all the sudden Wilson's the one wanting out ....

I guess that's just a coincidence ?

You know where there's smoke , there's fire.
 
Max said:
Cal prides himself on getting shafted in a deal as a matter of principle. We're taking the high road with DHop. How high? High enough to get shafted this much folks. 'You'll never go wrong doing the right thing' is the motto and bad trades are the result. This is carrying over to Watson and how they're handling the situation. We'll win on principle but get screwed in compensation because of that motto. Just watch.
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I'll counter their team motto with a tried and true one... "Nice guys finish LAST!"
 
thunderkyss said:
Because it's not about cap hit. They'd take a bigger hit to cut him. If they cut him in 2021, it's not about cap.
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Seattle would NEVER cut Wilson at this point, if they are considering to split with him you best believe it would be via a trade.

thunderkyss said:
I wonder how many people were in that room. I mean who would leak what was said?
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It doesn't have to be a leak and the person didn't have to be in the room nor on a call.

DW4 to Agent: I spoke to Culley exactly as you instructed
Agent to DW4: Good good
Agent to trusted media reporter: My client has told Texans HC....
Media: DW4 met with Texans HC and told him....
 
Screw Deshaun Gone Watson. Trade him for something and just fuckin start over. It's not like we'll notice anything different about the product on the field. Might as well just sit back and watch the new administration and see how they handle the mess. If nothing else, it'll make for some interesting commentary during the games.

Game Analyst One: "Texans offense takes the field."
Game Analyst Two: "The Texans have an offense?"
Game Analyst One: "Supposedly."
Game Analyst Two: "Obviously they don't have a defense, down 42-0 in the first half."
Game Analyst One: "I asked new head coach Curly about that, he tried to explain it."

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Corrosion said:
Really its a legit concern.

You look at Seattle talking about letting Wilson go , he's a top 5 or 6 QB according to most.

You look at Pittsburgh saying they want to keep Ben ..... but not at $42m or whatever his cap hit is for next year.

The fact that its been 26 years or whatever it is and no QB has won it all earning a greater percentage of the cap than 13.2% until Brady did it this year and that was only because of bonus money tied to actually winning a superbowl and its still in the same ballpark at ~13.7% of the cap .... that's a 5 tenths of a percentage point , a very tiny fraction and the two guys that did it are first ballot HOFers.

Brady didn't really move that needle ....

Bottom line here is that there are a few things you have to have to be in the fight for that superbowl.

1) A Quality QB
2) Protect that QB
3) he needs a couple guys to chuck it to that are above average.
4) You gotta have some semblance of a running game.
5) A competent defense.
6) Competent special teams.


Lets be honest , as great as Brady is , the Tampa Defense was the MVP of that championship game - They didn't allow a TD by one of the most explosive offenses we've ever seen.

Understanding that you have to build a quality TEAM , the idea of paying one guy over X makes sense because in paying that guy , you have less to spend on the rest of the TEAM.

Football is the ultimate TEAM sport. It may be QB driven but he can't do it alone.
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I'm in complete agreement. A good example is that Watson lead the league in passing yards and yards/att., and the team was 4-12 (mostly because of DW4). It takes more than a great QB.

As much as I love DW4, I believe the relationship with Miss management is beyond repair. As such, we need to trade Deshaun for as much draft capital as we can get, in addition to a starting QB and stud defensive player. The window is closing on potential partners so the sooner we let it be known we are interested in a deal, the more competition there will be to drive the price up. My concern is that we will do a typical Texan management strategy and do nothing until it's too late to maximize the return.

Whatever team Deshaun goes to will instantly become my favorite team. It's certainly no longer this team.
 
GanadoUHCoog said:
If the Texans trade him for a haul right around the NFL draft I will give them huge credit. However, given their past multiple foolish decisions I believe it much more likely they are bumbling and fumbling around causing self harm to their own future. My opinion is they will eventually trade him around training camp once he doesn’t show up, they miss out of improving the team in the 2021 draft, and get less in return due to lost leverage since less teams will need a QB after the draft. I guess we will see.
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Based on Texans history, I would tend to agree with you.

The wildcard here is Caserio and if he really has the full GM power as attributed to him by Cal McNair. Caserio could erase a lot of the previous trends by this organization.

At least, that's the theory.

Texansballer74 said:
Nobody is clamoring that a quarterback does it alone. And it's not an concern to those football executives that are paying these quarterbacks this type of money. But it is an concern to only you and Steel.
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It's been an on-going concern for a while:

The Curse of a Salary-Cap-Eating Quarterback

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The problem with teams committing so much of their cap space to quarterbacks is that it is clearly an unsuccessful strategy. None of the five highest-paid quarterbacks in 2018 by average salary—Rodgers, Atlanta’s Matt Ryan, Minnesota’s Kirk Cousins, Garoppolo, and Detroit’s Matthew Stafford—made the playoffs.

The problem is simple: The more you give to a quarterback, the less you give to everyone else. This is fine as long as the quarterback plays to the value of his contract, or as long as a handful of cheap rookies come through to fill the gaps, as is the case in New Orleans and Indianapolis. When those things don’t happen, teams usually fail. Quarterbacks have been given huge extensions because teams deemed it risky not to, but it turns out going all in on a cap-eating quarterback is one of the riskiest propositions in the sport.

Full article
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NFL teams are paying quarterbacks way too much money and here's the proof

Excerpt:
There is no proof that paying for a quarterback leads to winning. In fact, there is basically no correlation between a quarterback’s compensation and how many games he wins. We did the math.

Full article
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Do Massive Quarterback Contracts Limit Teams in the Long Run?

Excerpt:
Despite quarterbacks being so important in the modern game, there has been a thought ruminating throughout the NFL fandom that market-rate contracts for quarterbacks actively hurt their teams. The idea is that even though a quarterback is valuable, the contract tied to the signal-caller can hold back the team because they, theoretically, run out of money that should be allocated elsewhere.

Full article
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There are many more articles from legit sources posing the same question as it pertains to QB salaries and impact on a team's ability to afford good talent around that QB.
 
well guys looks like texans are going to be a martyr for the NFL WE just simply wont TRADE Watson hes going to have to retire and his NFL career will be over for at least 3 or 4 years

texans will go 0-16 and finalllyyy next year we will have our draft picks back and cap free and the #1 pick if we do trade watson it will be in 2023

is trade value wont go down at all IMO

and life will go on ....
 
thunderkyss said:
Because it's not about cap hit. They'd take a bigger hit to cut him. If they cut him in 2021, it's not about cap.
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They'd take the cap hit in one year - 2021 and they wouldn't cut him , they'd trade him and only be on the hook for already paid $$$ (signing bonus).

After that they'd have a huge chunk of cap space to use to build a team in 2022 and a 4-5 year window of opportunity with a rookie scale contract at QB.

This is a long term plan , not a one year idea.
 
Dolphins_ChadRi said:
If DW4 gets traded to the fins, our fanbase will welcome all of you with open arms.

You guys would be a breath of fresh air compaired to all the Alabama fans we gained last year.
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If any Texan fans follow Watson and become fin fans you are welcome to them. Be helping us clear out our board but I warn you that in their eyes you will never lose a game because of the QB again and anyone that says otherwise should be dragged out into the streets.
 
Corrosion said:
they wouldn't cut him , they'd trade
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Ok, I didn’t take that into account.

$40M instea of $58M


Corrosion said:
After that they'd have a huge chunk of cap space to use to build a team in 2022 and a 4-5 year window of opportunity with a rookie scale contract at QB.

This is a long term plan , not a one year idea.
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I understand that. Doesn’t make sense to me to increase your cap to save. I mean “normally” you suck it up & hang on to Mercilus one more year, until it’s more “favorable” to cut him.

There’s got to be more than cap relief fueling this move, if cap relief is even a motivator at all.

Like the Texans cap situation will improve in future years trading Watson, but if it’s done it won’t be because Caserio realized all of a sudden that he can’t win a SB with a $40M contract.

& that’s what I’m arguing. Not that their cap will improve, but that Carroll realized this hence the reason he wants to do it. As if he couldn’t do the math when he offered Wilson the contract in the first place.
 
thunderkyss said:
Ok, I didn’t take that into account.

$40M instea of $58M




I understand that. Doesn’t make sense to me to increase your cap to save. I mean “normally” you suck it up & hang on to Mercilus one more year, until it’s more “favorable” to cut him.

There’s got to be more than cap relief fueling this move, if cap relief is even a motivator at all.

Like the Texans cap situation will improve in future years trading Watson, but if it’s done it won’t be because Caserio realized all of a sudden that he can’t win a SB with a $40M contract.

& that’s what I’m arguing. Not that their cap will improve, but that Carroll realized this hence the reason he wants to do it. As if he couldn’t do the math when he offered Wilson the contract in the first place.
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Maybe they thought they could restructure the contract when the big cap hits came like a lot people said we would do with Watson. Could be Wilson told them, nope I’m not restructuring anything give me my money.
 
maverick512000 said:
Maybe they thought they could restructure the contract when the big cap hits came like a lot people said we would do with Watson. Could be Wilson told them, nope I’m not restructuring anything give me my money.
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I believe they knew they had a window & it’s closing fast. Maybe they could restructure, maybe they’d start over.

Then Russ starts talking about “having a voice”

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zshawn10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1365395734053466113




Peter King on The Rich Eisen Show on Deshaun Watson holding out: "One of Deshaun Watsons friends told me this week that the money is not going to mean anything to Deshaun. If he says he's not playing for the Texans, you can take it to the bank. My guess is a trade happens before the draft."
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This "loyalty" tweet ....

Who's he being loyal to ?

Certainly not the people who gave him his opportunity , nor the people who made him a wealthy man.

How would Bieniemy or Saleh fit into this statement ? They've never been anything but opponents.

Does he feel Cal wasn't loyal to him because he didn't hire who he wanted for GM ? (That's the hire that triggered the tantrum - forget about the coach spot)

I don't see any way Cal wasn't "loyal" .... You'll have input doesn't mean you'll ultimately make the choice.

The more I think about this situation , Watson doesn't want to go thru the pain of a rebuild and "waste one of his years" cause really , he has no legit complaint with any decision that's been made this offseason. No one , not Cal , not Caserio and not even Easterby has done him any wrong since the season ended.
 
Corrosion said:
This "loyalty" tweet ....

Who's he being loyal to ?

Certainly not the people who gave him his opportunity , nor the people who made him a wealthy man.

How would Bieniemy or Saleh fit into this statement ? They've never been anything but opponents.

Does he feel Cal wasn't loyal to him because he didn't hire who he wanted for GM ? (That's the hire that triggered the tantrum - forget about the coach spot)

I don't see any way Cal wasn't "loyal" .... You'll have input doesn't mean you'll ultimately make the choice.

The more I think about this situation , Watson doesn't want to go thru the pain of a rebuild and "waste one of his years" cause really , he has no legit complaint with any decision that's been made this offseason. No one , not Cal , not Caserio and not even Easterby has done him any wrong since the season ended.
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I believe it’s started simmering after the 4 game losing streakthat got O’Brien fired. Watson made a statement about not being use to losing.

He said it again later on in the season. Then after the season was over, JJ apologized to him specifically and basically saying he’s out of here.

But I believe when Watson first made mention about him not use to losing, that’s when him and his agent started putting a exit plan in place. I also think he told Cal and that’s when Cal told him he will have input going forward. Dude shot off to Cabo with his lady knowing darn well they were in a market for a GM. He also knew Cal and co. been chasing Caserio for some years. I truly think Cal did call him and he just didn’t answer the phone. So they went on and hired Caserio. Watson seen the breaking news and that’s when he started with these cryptic tweets.

They knew Cal would mess up and the heat would be on the Texans for supposedly lying and not being loyal to him.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I believe it’s started simmering after the 4 game losing streakthat got O’Brien fired. Watson made a statement about not being use to losing.

He said it again later on in the season. Then after the season was over, JJ apologized to him specifically and basically saying he’s out of here.

But I believe when Watson first made mention about him not use to losing, that’s when him and his agent started putting a exit plan in place. I also think he told Cal and that’s when Cal told him he will have input going forward. Dude shot off to Cabo with his lady knowing darn well they were in a market for a GM. He also knew Cal and co. been chasing Caserio for some years. I truly think Cal did call him and he just didn’t answer the phone. So they went on and hired Caserio. Watson seen the breaking news and that’s when he started with these cryptic tweets.

They knew Cal would mess up and the heat would be on the Texans for supposedly lying and not being loyal to him.
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Listening to some of these radio dudes , particularly that moron Clint Stoerner on 610 ,dude acts like Cal shot Watson's dog or something - Watson has been wronged and is totally one sided .... the Texans screwed this up.

I can't help but laugh at the guy.

 
Corrosion said:
Listening to some of these radio dudes , particularly that moron Clint Stoerner on 610 ,dude acts like Cal shot Watson's dog or something - Watson has been wronged and is totally one sided .... the Texans screwed this up.

I can't help but laugh at the guy.

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I haven’t listened to any of our local sports experts. But I’ve heard Clint was backing Watson up to the fullest and dragging the Texans through the mud. My home boy says he agrees with everything Clint has stated thus far. So of course we’re going back and forth on this particular situation. He keeps saying they lied to Watson and he has every right to be mad. He’s also killing the Christian Jack Easterby. Says the man lied about his credentials and is not to be trusted.
 
thunderkyss said:
I get what you’re saying, but it doesn’t prove



Unless you have something were Pete Carroll says, “I realized I can’t win a SB with my QB making 40 mil” it could be some other reason he wants to eat $60M of dead money.

Because he was about to fired with those rookie QBs on rookie deals until Russell came along.
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You got proof Carroll was about to be fired?
 
Corrosion said:
They'd take the cap hit in one year - 2021 and they wouldn't cut him , they'd trade him and only be on the hook for already paid $$$ (signing bonus).

After that they'd have a huge chunk of cap space to use to build a team in 2022 and a 4-5 year window of opportunity with a rookie scale contract at QB.

This is a long term plan , not a one year idea.
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This is what the Texans should be looking at.
 
zshawn10 said:
Didnt Carroll bail for the nfl after the whole usc scandal? I won’t be surprised if he bails after they trade wilson
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Carroll is like 70 yrs old.

He probably doesn't want to go through the headache of a rebuild at that age. Would you blame him?
 
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