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Should we trade Watson?
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or you can win a sb with a 2nd teir vet qb with a good team around him
if brad johnson & flacco could win a sb then... so could of
matt Schaub & Fitzpatrick could have won a sb but the didnt i guess they werent lucky enough
acctually if u have a elite defense and a jag at qb maybe u can ???
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
So, if Watson (+21M) is traded, Watt was given his release (-17M) and if Cooks (-12M) was moved with Watson the Texans would have a positive of +8M on the 2021 cap?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
He played 16 games each season for his first 3 years and then got injured last season and sat out all but 3 games. First season the Panthers and McCaffrey didn't hit on all cylinders but 2018 & 2019 were really special seasons from running to catching. 2020 was a high ankle sprain and a shoulder that kept him out but he's already mentioned he'd be ready at the start of the 2021 season. Guy only has 2 big seasons of use on his wheels and he's only 24 years old.....he'll turn 25 in camp. This guy is roughly the same age as Watson.
Here is Andre discussing what he experienced, observed and told Watson. You can forward to the 19:25 mark. Let the ripping begin.Andre Johnson doubled down on his criticism of the team and support of Watson. Can’t wait to see you knobs rip him.
I actually could see them winning 10 games if they kept DW4 and added 2/3 starters on the draft and 2/3 starters in fa. This could actually happen. Except DW4's acting like a petulant child. Oh well, time to move on and rebuild. Good riddance
Then I hope DeShuan enjoys his new team. Going to suck when he realizes they won’t let him pick GMs & HCs.
Maybe the owner of the new team will be smarter than Cal and not tell players they can have input into selecting the GM and HC. Just saying....
whodknee
Working Class Hero
He only said this and that. No examples of the problems. And he said the problems were years ago.
Did you hear the end of the conversation? This is the new NFL. They have a voice. Don’t need to be asked.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yep if we want a bridge QB, I like Tu'a at less than $2 m our cost. He has to be better than AJ.. Getting X Howard and 1.3 plus 1.18 good start. I've advocated this long time and Monday 610 were suggesting it for Deshaun.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Play them against Miami and Jets.
Texazan
Our HOF 34
I’d be in on that. Who knows Tua could turn it around. He’s had one friggin season. Howard and two firsts this year and I’d ask for a 2nd also if we got close to closing it.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Andre Johnson doubled down on his criticism of the team and support of Watson. Can’t wait to see you knobs rip him.
So you agree with this type of tactic. F honoring a contract you just signed 6 months ago huh.
So these new age players are right and everyone else is wrong. Got ya. Go Watson F all over the Texans and the NFL.
badboy
Hall of Fame
1.3 +1.18+2.35+2.50+ shutdown corner Xavien Howard. Give Miami some one else if needed. They might then sign Fuller as FA for DW pass to.
wildroot
Rookie
So when Cal gave Watson assurances that he'd have input on the GM & HC hire, then went and hired a GM without Watson's input, Watson then got his panties in a bunch, Cal said he apologized, then we hired a HC. Am I to understand we, after apologizing to Watson about the GM blunder, we did the same again with the HC? Watson had no input...AGAIN?
Cal said he had a couple of meetings with Watson where Watson expressed his concerns. Cal selected a GM with those concerns in mind. From Cal’s perspective Watson had input.
Obviously Watson was expecting a call when he was in Cabo to green light the selection. Where he got that impression is still out for debate.
Likewise, Watson’s concerns were addressed when Caserio selected a HC. Or so they believe.
Texansballer74
The Marine
The Texans tried contacting Watson on both occasions. He didn’t answer the phone.
Watson is full of skit and is playing games.
Watson is full of skit and is playing games.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I don't think anything about this stand-off is obvious...except the outcome. The Texans have repeatedly said Watson is their QB. There is not one team (ok, Kansas City) that can offer enough compensation to give the Texans for Watson. Even if there was a team able to offer fair compensation, the amount it would cost them would cripple their chances of being competitive any time soon.
Watson can sit at home for the next 80 years, and at 105 years old he'd still owe the Texans 3 years.
Maybe he will put out another crypto tweet for consumption.
You have a higher opinion of DW4 than I do. Great player but you can't win with a guy like this. Move on and good riddance.
wildroot
Rookie
Got it, Watson has "input" confused with "I get to choose".
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Here's how Watson to the Panthers story was manufactured and blown out of proportions. Don't believe 90% of what you hear the media speculate about.
Yep. Add Nick Foles, Eli Manning, Trent Dilfer, and Jim McMahon to that list, as well (among others).
Build a great defense and o-line and then find a team-first QB.
The 'new' NFL of paying 1-2 players massive percentages of salary caps and then potentially dealing with their bloated, sensitive egos is bad business in the long run. JMO
Much respect to AJ. He finally speaks. Wish he'd say more, but I get it.
All that said, he's just confirmed what we already knew. This organization has been the same before Watson signed his contract. O'Brien and Easterby are just symptoms of the way the McNairs run their franchise. It appears to me that Watson made a bad business decision and now wants a mulligan on it. But that's not how all this works. . .or at least used to work. . .
Well, he did go to Clemson
Reading comprehension obviously is not a strength of guys that go to that school.
whodknee
Working Class Hero
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A Watson Trade before the draft (Pre-June 1) would mean an instant cap hit of $21.6m which is the remainder of the prorated signing bonus money already paid by the Texans to Watson.
A Post June 1 trade would mean a $5.4m cap hit for this year (2021) and a $16.2m cap hit for 2022. Again , the total remaining of the prorated signing bonus money the Texans have already given to Watson.
Deshaun Watson Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac
Click the link then click the red X at the end of the row for 2021 and it'll give a drop down with an explanation.
What good is a bridge QB ? .... Win just enough games to keep you from getting a good draft pick ? .... No thanks , I'd rather run with McCarron.
No to Tua.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yes to Tua and as a continuing QB. No one has presented evidence that he cannot be at minimum an average starter..16 or so of 32. If we use the draft picks and the vets in the package I have voiced that we should get, we can strengthen this roster with offensive line and running back selections in draft. Howard across from Roby more than doubles our efficiency with our corners. John Reid should step up in his second season as many rookies do. Lonnie Johnson as a full-time safety starter Should be much better.
TTag's hip should be even better with additional time he has had to heal. Let's not forget that is an anchor point for quarterback trying to setup and throw. Also hopefully having a training season with better team ability to handle covid-19 he will progress. Let us not forget that 2020 was his rookie season.
Earlier this year I posted a comparison between Watson and Tua's rookie years and they were not that dissimilar including history of injuries for each player. Now we understand how DeShaun recovered and again I have see no reason that Tag cannot do the same. All reports that I have seen minimum information indicates that he is ready to go forward.
Tue plus 1.3 &1.18 are much better than 1.2 Wilson whom is going to be great and 1.23 Jets trade.
We'll have to agree to disagree .... I don't think Tua is more than a backup at the NFL level and not a particularly good one at that.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Disagree, I like the fresh rookie with only the injuries he got in college. Other advantage of a rookie is that there is no NFL film on him and your coach can coach him the way he wants without conflict from another NFL level coach.
Also having someone like a Wilson, who maybe your franchise QB, makes keeping Tunsil worth it because now you are justified in that pro bowl LT.
Really it depends on if a person thinks Tua has more to show or if this is his level. On one hand they benched him for Fitzmagic, on the other hand Miami hasn’t known how to judge QBs since Marino.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Don't you see that you're comparing Wilson to Tua? You have to include what you get in addition with Tua. For example if we take the Jets 1.2 Zach Wilson + 1.23 say wide receiver Terrace Marshall. That is a very good pair of players.
My way you get 1.3 WR. Heisman Devonta Smith or LT. Sensation Penei Sewell (whom allows you to trade Tunsil getting picks and lots of cap space). 1.18 brings you another starter. And you have Tag as your QB.
Now this post is my understanding that you are suggesting a trade to the Jets for 1.2 to shore up getting Zack Wilson?
badboy
Hall of Fame
His stats his rookie NFL season you do not think would be improved on if he is healthy as information indicates?
That's the way I read it...
How could they possible afford to trade him if they wanted to? unless he was willing to restructure?
wildroot
Rookie
If he was traded, why wouldn't we get most of the signing bonus back and the new team have to pay him the bonus? If that's not the way it works, I'd let him know if he wants to be moved that's the way it's going to work. Give us our signing bonus back (since you didn't honor your contract with us) and take the rest of your contract and work out what you can to replace the signing bonus with the new team. Why should we pay it if he wants to be traded and we trade him. If we don't benefit from the contract he signed, he shouldn't get the bonus from us.
Depends on what comes with those picks. You’re getting Tua with those picks then you’re getting someone else with 2 overall? you should there isn’t that much difference in 2 or 3. Maybe Quinn Williams with Wilson? Yeah I’m taking Wilson All day.
You'd have to cut some guys and free up money to eat the cap hit.
You'd have a terrible roster for the coming year as a result.
Probably why Caserio has resisted the notion of trading him as its essentially admitting you'll be terrible for the foreseeable future. No QB and an expansion team quality roster.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Texans must focus on making every spot but QB better while this team goes through its 2 year growing pains. McCarron, QB2 UFA, and a late Development QB3 can bridge the gap before making the move for a QB1. Build a team so a veteran QB1 or a rookie drafted QB1 will have the best chance for success.
A signing bonus is paid up front .... He's already gotten ~$27million.
For accounting purposes , its applied to the cap over the life of the contract (or some set number of years).
In this case , the Texans put $5.4m of that $27m on last years cap (along with the remainder of his rookie deal signing bonus money of $2,053,961) and will put $5,400,000 on each of the next 4 years cap - Unless he's traded or released at which time the full amount hits the cap immediately if the trade or release occurs prior to June 1. If it occurs after June 1 $5,400,000 hits the cap immediately with the remainder hitting the following years cap.
Really depends upon when you can get that QB you think can lead you to a championship.
I really like Zach Wilson .... I think he is the best QB since Mahomes and has a lot of the same qualities. If I could get him right now , I'd do it and use the rest of what I got in return for Watson to put a great offense around him (fix the defense next year).
If you don't think you can get that kinda QB .... then you go about team building.
badboy
Hall of Fame
To clarify. You like Wilson and 23 over 1.3 + 1.18 and Tua? I am not attacking you as I have had that thought occasionally. I do think Zach Wilson is going to be that good but I also think tua will be more than just a good starter. I also think Miami willing to give both round twos to beat Jets one in that round which should be considered.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Technically this signing bonus is guaranteed money that theoretically is already in his pocket Although I understand most large bonuses are broken down in payments to assist the NFL owner. My understanding is this is usually a benefit to the player who does not want to be cut or traded and this process makes it more difficult for the team to do so.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Well to be fair, cutting players such as the two running bag Johnsons and some of the others may not make us a worse roster LOL.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yes I am such a vacillator. I also evaluate Zach Wilson as high as you do so it is hard for me to want to go any other direction but I am still leaning towards a Miami Trade as of now. With Zach Wilson I still see us having a top 3-5 pick in 2022 where we could get QB. But as you say if your guy is there get him when you know you can. Of course for me the best scenario would be the trade with the dolphins that I have suggested and Wilson still being available. I would use 2A to allow Wilson to develop and then trade 2A After this season.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Except that the trade wouldn’t include just this years. Any trade will include at least another 1st next year and tell me who you think will give the Texans a better pick in 2022, Jets or Fins? Yes you can trade Tunsil and without Watson, or if it’s a bridge QB, I’m fine with that but if I get a Wilson type QB in the draft now it’s worth it to keep my pro bowl LT plus my line has had a couple of years of playing together. Get them a real coach and that experience of playing together will pay off.
Also frankly I don’t want Tua. Getting to many Osweiler vibes, rookie comes in, has some big games, looks like a million bucks then gets benched for a vet. We had our best success at QB when we drafted our own, don’t really want to inherit someone else’s problem.
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Give me Wilson and 23 at 23 I'm taking Harris to help Wilson. Or maybe if I went defense Melifonu
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wildroot
Rookie
But what if it's the player that wants to be moved, why then is the team obligated to pay the entire signing bonus? Or the player not obligated to return the signing bonus?
It doesn't seem right that a player should be able to profit from a contract like this when they are the one that does not want to fulfill the contract.
Hell, you could make a nice living off signing bonuses and forcing trades every few years!
Texansballer74
The Marine
I am not busted up my roster if Watson is traded. Cal you messed up so eat away buddy at that crappy cap hit that will follow. Like I said weeks ago, the only team I would trade DCW4 to is the Jets. Zach Wilson will be a perfect replacement. Give me a few players, Quinnen Williams DT, and La’Mical Perine RB and we will have to take either Flacco or Dornald.
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