Even guys like @Texansballer74 who has been his biggest defender have said .... screw that guy.
He doesn't care.
He got paid.
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Even guys like @Texansballer74 who has been his biggest defender have said .... screw that guy.
He doesn't care.
He got paid.
I simply mentioned a players view that supports @KoolAid Sipper’s antagonist or devils advocate post. You can feel free to care or don’t care about the opinion.And we care what Joe Thomas has to say because....? Look every player that was on a bad team is going to support Watson but none of them was willing to give up their big money, whatever that was at the time, contract to go to a championship team instead.
If the salary cap didn’t exist then yeah you can have big contracts and championships at the same time. Of course only the Panthers would have those championships.
Of all of the reasons to want out of Houston, I think it’s laughable to continue posting without any proof that a GF modeling career is a reason. Its just more unnecessary BS around this nonsense.Upton is at the level people come to her or at worst fly her to wherever is needed. To compare the two is laughable.
That being said I think it’s less his GF and more his agent. The guy is trying to set himself up as the Don King of football and Watson and/or the Texans will pay the price for it.
Maybe it's time for Cal and Caserio to draw a line in the sand and put an end to this little hissy fit.
Since he doesn't want to pick up the phone and everything "Watson" is playing out in the media. Then via the media, the Texans should make an announcement that Deshaun Watson has until COB on, xx/xx/xxxx to arrive at the Kirby complex. The team will need to include in their public message, if you forgo the meeting then the team will be left no other course of action but to treat this as 'Conduct Detrimental To The Team" and sit you for the 2021 season with no pay. Then stick to the guns if he no-shows. A season out of football and no money coming in, while bills come each and every month, can quickly teach a young man what life could be like away from the financial security of playing football in the NFL.
If he does show and informs the team he'd rather sit for 2021 season than suit up for the Texans going forward......just a simple reply from Cal and Caserio should be, just waive your "No Trade Clause" and we'll have you out of here before you can pack your things. Then make it happen. No caving.....just business.
He won't get paid if he don't show up .... assuming the team plays hardball.
So again, why wait until after the Caserio hire to express displeasure and the desire to be traded?
But why would he do that when could show up and say that his back isn't feeling quite right? "Sorry Cal and Nick, can't play today." Is there a clause in his contract that gets the Texans out of paying him if he has a mysterious back injury? LOL.
And how much does he get paid if he sits on the bench with a "back injury"?
Of all of the reasons to want out of Houston, I think it’s laughable to continue posting without any proof that a GF modeling career is a reason. Its just more unnecessary BS around this nonsense.
You’ve beaten this dead horse before and it’s been debunked before. He can’t just say “my back hurts” he has to have a doctor sign off on it and then that doctor has to turn all relevant records, such as x-rays, over to the Texans doctor for review.
You really think no player has ever faked an injury before and that teams haven’t put measures in place to deal with that?
If one person being there is enough for Watson to throw this kind of tantrum then even if they do fire him how long before his next temper tantrum?
They did bring in any assistants Culley has wanted and assemble a very impressive staff actually
I don't know which "you" you are referring to. I have never mentioned this before. If you can find proof that I have, I'll spot you a ticket to a 2021 Texans game. They should only be about $3.
Didn't Jalen Ramsey have a back injury? He suddenly got over it once he was traded. Why can't Watson suffer from the same affliction?
I'm pretty sure his irritation expressed at the time of hiring Caserio is directly related to his perception of Easterby's influence on Cal & the direction of the Texans.
If his preferred destination can't pony up the goods then the team won't trade him
Jags let Ramsey get away with it because they were shopping him anyway. Also there is a big difference between a CB and a QB.
Either way, Watson can fake an injury all through training camp. Then he can take every snap during the regular season and spike the ball into the ground. And since I know you are big on honoring contracts, the Texans will pay him $156 million. It's $156 million, right?
It might fill you with glee to think Watson may never play another NFL game after that. But he'd have $156 million and you'd have...a freezer full of Hot Pockets? Besides, if Antonio Brown can make an NFL roster after all of his shenanigans, Watson definitely can. Because, as you said, there's a difference between a QB/CB/WR, etc.
This is why it's best to simply trade him now. You don't really win anything in this dong measuring contest.
Completely agree. Anyone thinking we'll get the QB of our choice with the #2 overall pick is in for a rude awakening.
IMO, if they were realistic they need to come up with scenarios where they get their fantasy QB outside the top 10.
#13, Bosa, #43, & their 2022 1st
Yes. Jalen Ramsey.You’ve beaten this dead horse before and it’s been debunked before. He can’t just say “my back hurts” he has to have a doctor sign off on it and then that doctor has to turn all relevant records, such as x-rays, over to the Texans doctor for review.
You really think no player has ever faked an injury before and that teams haven’t put measures in place to deal with that?
Also AB only made it on another team because the GOAT said “I’ll take responsibility for the guy”.
So if the Texans can show him a foundation, you think he'll come back?The most logical inference is that he still doesn't see a foundation in view, not that he's under the influence of Jezebel, Deandre Hopkins and an evil agent.
So if the Texans can show him a foundation, you think he'll come back?
Yes. Jalen Ramsey.
All he has to do is say, "Oww." A doctor can't feel his pain. He asks, "On a scale of 1-10...." Watson says 8.5 & gets his note. X-Rays don't show anything concerning muscles.
You mean another "another" team. He signed with two different teams after leaving Oakland
Actually a doctor will say there is nothing wrong with you. I worked with a lot of occupational doctors that not only said there was nothing wrong but testified in court there was nothing wrong. Most times the company won to. See this is also where social media can bite you, if Watson posts himself out on the town then that can be used against him.
If a patient says he's experiencing back pain, a doctor can't say "no, he's not." A "normal" MRI of the lower back is in no way a dispositive result. "Back pain" is essentially impossible to objectively and independently diagnose.
JMO, this is loser mentality. I wouldn't trust anyone making this decision to get it right when we are in position to win.We don’t need a pro bowl LT to guard a bridge QB.
If he tries that the team can suspend him .... and that suspension would come with the team being able to void the guarantees in his contract - he'd still be under contract and still be able to earn those former guarantees but if he got injured .... those guarantees aren't guaranteed anymore.
His agent is playing with fire.
Negative.
He not only forfeits salary for games missed but he has to be "available" for at least 6 games to accrue a season. If he sat out the first 10 the team can suspend him for up to 6 - each incident.
He won't get credit for a season by sitting out any length of time.
If his preferred destination can't pony up the goods then the team won't trade him.
If he wants out , it's not going to be to a team of his choosing that can't offer up a competitive compensation package .... the franchise would be better off holding his feet to the fire than giving him up for any fraction of the potential return.
He can shove that NTC .... right up his keister.
He's quickly losing that fan support .... ghosting the team is one thing , the fans is another.
Even guys like @Texansballer74 who has been his biggest defender have said .... screw that guy.
Either way, Watson can fake an injury all through training camp. Then he can take every snap during the regular season and spike the ball into the ground. And since I know you are big on honoring contracts, the Texans will pay him $156 million. It's $156 million, right?
It might fill you with glee to think Watson may never play another NFL game after that. But he'd have $156 million and you'd have...a freezer full of Hot Pockets? Besides, if Antonio Brown can make an NFL roster after all of his shenanigans, Watson definitely can. Because, as you said, there's a difference between a QB/CB/WR, etc.
This is why it's best to simply trade him now. You don't really win anything in this dong measuring contest.
LMAO at the description of the Texans organization as "traditional".So you want to go back to the RS, OB and McNair set up when you had a GM, HC and then someone over them. Ok, cool, personally I prefer the traditional set up of the GM is the head honcho and you don’t have a power struggle because he is the power.
Then, why did you buy a freezer full of them? Should have tried one box, first.FYI, I don’t like hot pockets.
The craziness around these parts run deep.What is it exactly that you're arguing? How Watson can scam the Texans for money? If that's the case, how did he go from giving away his 1st paycheck to cafeteria workers, to being a conniving piece of ****?
But why would he do that when could show up and say that his back isn't feeling quite right? "Sorry Cal and Nick, can't play today." Is there a clause in his contract that gets the Texans out of paying him if he has a mysterious back injury? LOL.
The problem.....Watson hasn't handled this situation like a mature team leader. He's setting a horrible precedent for the current and future personnel. As I mentioned, if Watson isn't in Houston 100%, then I wouldn't want either parties time wasted trying to go through the motions.
I really liked Watson and saw every bit of his potential for upcoming seasons but this nasty little game of, I'm going to throw a national media "BF" instead of discussing things behind closed doors pretty much sums up why I'm really disappointed in him and would rather see the Texans go ahead and trade him. Locker room cancer can come at any pecking level but the QB1.....that's got to be resolved asap.
You dont trade him for a bad deal and you make his agent find the deal that YOU like if your Caserio. Otherwise hold onto him and trade him at the deadline or next offseason. Just dont do a bad deal because your afraid of DW4 being a locker room cancer because most of those guys wont be on the team in 2022-2023.
Never said to ditch him at all cost. Everyone of my Trade Watson mocks have shown a generous return for him. I'm looking at returns of RD1 picks in 2021, 2022, and 2023. I can build a team with that type of return before I draft another rookie QB1. By the way, for the first time more NFL offenses are in alignment with CFB offenses....which means the drafted QB's could have much better roads to success.
LMAO at the description of the Texans organization as "traditional".
And did I put a McNair in the organizational equation? They can work on sponsorships, foundations, cheerleader selection...anything that is not football related.
For the reading impaired, let's try another ordered list.
1. Hire Head Honcho.
2. Remove all McNairs from football side.
3. Say goodbye to Kyle's BFF, Jack.
4. GM and HC report to Head Honcho. Caserio works strictly on personnel.
5. Have Head Honcho mend relationship with Watson.
I'm looking at returns of RD1 picks in 2021, 2022, and 2023
Two guys they used as consultants. Jimmy Johnson and Tony Dungy. Hell, Dungy could probably get Watson and Easterby holding hands at Sunday service.Does the head honcho you are describing exist? It sounds like Bill Parcells 20 years ago. But I can't think of anyone today who has the mojo to walk into the situation in HOU and take control that way, even if McNair was inclined to see the error of his ways, which I sincerely doubt.
Agreed, but not near enough return. Add in another 1st in 2021 and a 2nd in 21 or 22.
OR, add in a starting QB and 2 defensive starters or a QB and a probowl defensive starter (Bosa-type)
Culley is blameless in this, and I wish him well. The problems have been latent since the team's inception but took a significant wrong turn in April 2019. The full ramifications of Cal falling under Easterby's spell didn't materialize until the Caserio hiring, which coincides with Watson's meltdown.
Either way, Watson can fake an injury all through training camp. Then he can take every snap during the regular season and spike the ball into the ground. And since I know you are big on honoring contracts, the Texans will pay him $156 million. It's $156 million, right?
It might fill you with glee to think Watson may never play another NFL game after that. But he'd have $156 million and you'd have...a freezer full of Hot Pockets? Besides, if Antonio Brown can make an NFL roster after all of his shenanigans, Watson definitely can. Because, as you said, there's a difference between a QB/CB/WR, etc.
This is why it's best to simply trade him now. You don't really win anything in this dong measuring contest.
My original plan saw the Dolphins as the most likely destination since they were really a QB1 away from making a lot more noise in 2020. I'm sticking with my original plan (guess) if the Texans decide to move Watson b/c they have the need and assets to make a deal that works for both teams.
Miami Gets:
Watson
Cooks
Texans Get:
2021
RD1-03
RD1-18
RD2-35
RD2-50
2022
RD1
RD2
2023
RD1
RD2
Total Picks: RD1 (4) / RD2 (4)
My original plan saw the Dolphins as the most likely destination since they were really a QB1 away from making a lot more noise in 2020. I'm sticking with my original plan (guess) if the Texans decide to move Watson b/c they have the need and assets to make a deal that works for both teams.
Miami Gets:
Watson
Cooks
Texans Get:
2021
RD1-03
RD1-18
RD2-35
RD2-50
2022
RD1
RD2
2023
RD1
RD2
Total Picks: RD1 (4) / RD2 (4)
I think this is just silly. Might get 2 1s and 2 2s. Maybe a player—Tua, too? And that would be plenty.
Another point, seems to me Watson wants out not because of the hiring of Casario, or even the presence of Easterfug, but for some more fundamental reason with the team, the franchise. It’s just not a 100% football driven club. Never has been. and I imagine the thought is that to fit Watson’s talent (as he and almost everybody else sees it) he needs a serious NFL franchise, one that is much more serious, football-motivated, thoughtful, well-run, built to win, etc. The Texans are NEVER going to be that kind of club. He knows it now, we’ve known it for years, his agent knows it. I expect the whole NFL knows it.
So that is what I believe is driving him with this ”trade me” request. And I’m not sure it’s a “sudden” realization. Maybe he knew it last year when he did the new contract, or maybe he still hoped then that the franchise could be turned around, all prior evidence to the contrary notwithstanding. Or maybe his agent told him to get the contract first before revealing his interest in leaving. All that is water under bridge By now.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think there is any way the Texans can keep him under these circumstances. They might try to hang him out to dry for a year, but even that is not in the team’s best interest, given that they’ll just end up trading him next year.
To my eye, the best we can do is the first idea that came up—trade him as soon as possible for the best package of picks and players available, and use those resources to rebuild the Texans as fast as possible.
Tua, for example, if we could get him, would be an excellent prospect at QB, and a possible future tradable player if we draft a fresh QB from the newly available this year or next. For my money I’d try to move Tunsil as well, but I know almost nobody agrees with this. I don’t think Tunsil is all that, and my guess is there are alternatives by draft and trade, and we might get good reward trading Tunsil.
Anyway, I’m certain that many of the alternative analyses offered here involving evil motives and plans to hold Watson hostage to his (very sweet) contract, plans to punish him, etc., are just hogwash and not viable, and certainly not in the best interest of the Texans franchise.
Just my dime.
After moving the Titans to Nashville and stepping away from the daily operations, Bud Adams hired Jeff Diamond as president to run football operations and be the deciding vote for any disputes between Reese (GM) and Fisher(HC). During this period, they made the Super Bowl and had one of the more successful winning runs in franchise history. However, in typical fashion, Bud didn't want to renew his contract, Diamond left, Reese and Fisher got into a power struggle, Reese got fired, and they returned to mediocrity.Two guys they used as consultants. Jimmy Johnson and Tony Dungy. Hell, Dungy could probably get Watson and Easterby holding hands at Sunday service.
My point is the head honcho can be a former NFL executive with GM experience and not necessarily a former HC. For this position, I would hire Oliver Luck or someone with a similar background. Bill Polian also comes to mind. Hell, they could have promoted Rick Smith to EVP-football ops, then hire a GM and they would still be in a better position today than where they are today.
I don't watch basketball so i had never heard about this. This is garbage. These guys play a damn game for a living, they need to quit acting like they are entitled. All of them.For years, the Rockets have coddled Harden. Staying extra nights in cities he likes. Waiting for him to arrive before starting meetings and practices.
LMAO at the description of the Texans organization as "traditional".
And did I put a McNair in the organizational equation? They can work on sponsorships, foundations, cheerleader selection...anything that is not football related.
For the reading impaired, let's try another ordered list.
1. Hire Head Honcho.
2. Remove all McNairs from football side.
3. Say goodbye to Kyle's BFF, Jack.
4. GM and HC report to Head Honcho. Caserio works strictly on personnel.
5. Have Head Honcho mend relationship with Watson.
Then, why did you buy a freezer full of them? Should have tried one box, first.
Except Rick Smith was EVP of football operations before he left. He didn’t have any say in hiring a HC.Hell, they could have promoted Rick Smith to EVP-football ops, then hire a GM and they would still be in a better position today than where they are today.
JMO, this is loser mentality. I wouldn't trust anyone making this decision to get it right when we are in position to win.
If Caserio were here before the trade, I understand, or hope, it never would have happened. But it has, & this is where we are.
If we've got someone who can play the position, fine. But if we're just going to put someone there & try to upgrade next year, or the year after, or the year after.... screw that.
You got a franchise QB, you don't let him go.
You got a franchise LT, you don't let him go.
You truly are that laughing stock everyone thinks you are if you let both go in 18 months of each other.