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I had read the articles regarding Bieniemy's past transgressions. Seems light on facts and heavy on incidents that happened 20 years ago. How much of the KC offensive success is due to Reid? Mahomes? Bieniemy? Andy Reid never had a #1 NFL offense until 2018. Since then, he's had two.

Three former Reid OCs have gone on to get NFL HC jobs (Brad Childress, Doug Pederson, Matt Nagy). Moreover, Reid's coaching tree has an exceptional number of HCs. John Harbaugh, Ron Rivera, Sean McDermott. Former NFL HCs Todd Bowles, Pat Shurmer, and Steve Spagnuolo also coached under Reid. An assistant coach is going to learn a lot about what it takes to lead a team from Reid by osmosis.

Questions about Bieniemy's abrasiveness and attitude need to be examined. This organization doesn't need another dictator like O'Brien roaming the sidelines or locker room. But on the surface, where's the evidence of Bieniemy's caustic demeanor? Where are the sideline histrionics? Getting into it with fans? Bieniemy's players love him. I don't see this as a real issue. The issue is, what is Bieniemy's football acumen and his ability to lead players and coaches? And that's the same question for every head coaching candidate.

My issue with this process is, who in the Texans organization is going to vet these would be HCs on their football knowledge? Cal & Jack (LOL!). That's why I've said there needs to be 3 new hires. A HC, a GM, and a head of football operations who knows the game and the business. A football pyramid with a Big Honcho sitting at the top. Someone who knows what it takes to be a NFL HC and GM. Someone that can ask the tough questions and know what the correct answers are. That's what's missing on Kirby.
 
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Lucky said:
I had read the articles regarding Bieniemy's past transgressions. Seems light on facts and heavy on incidents that happened 20 years ago. How much of the KC offensive success is due to Reid? Mahomes? Bieniemy? Andy Reid never had a #1 NFL offense until 2018. Since then, he's had two.

Three former Reid OCs have gone on to get NFL HC jobs (Brad Childress, Doug Pederson, Matt Nagy). Moreover, Reid's coaching tree has an exceptional number of HCs. John Harbaugh, Ron Rivera, Sean McDermott. Former NFL HCs Todd Bowles, Pat Shurmer, and Steve Spagnuolo also coached under Reid. An assistant coach is going to learn a lot about what it takes to lead a team from Reid by osmosis.

Questions about Bieniemy's abrasiveness and attitude need to be examined. This organization doesn't need another dictator like O'Brien roaming the sidelines or locker room. But on the surface, where's the evidence of Bieniemy's caustic demeanor? Where are the sideline histrionics? Getting into it with fans? Bieniemy's players love him. I don't see this as a real issue. The issue is, what is Bieniemy's football acumen and his ability to lead players and coaches? And that's the same question fort every head coaching candidate.

My issue with this process is, who in the Texans organization is going to vet these would be HCs on their football knowledge? Cal & Jack (LOL!). That's why I've said there need to be 3 new hires. A HC, a GM, and a head of football operations who knows the game and the business. A football pyramid with a Big Honcho sitting at the top. Someone who knows what it takes to be a NFL HC and GM. Someone that can ask the tough questions and know what the correct answers are. That's what's missing on Kirby.
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I don't think Cal will risk it. But, Easterby is a different story. He might not have any issues with EB or he might have big issues. I know according to the article I posted a few days ago, that the hot take is Easterby is going to push for a HC and GM that he shares agents with.
 
Lucky said:
Questions about Bieniemy's abrasiveness and attitude need to be examined. This organization doesn't need another dictator like O'Brien roaming the sidelines or locker room. But on the surface, where's the evidence of Bieniemy's caustic demeanor? Where are the sideline histrionics? Getting into it with fans?
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I'm not against Bieniemy. Just have questions. These questions you've asked... Yes, I'd like to see what his sideline/locker room demeanor is when he isn't winning or coaching the #1 NFL offense.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
There is good reason for Bieniemy failing to secure a HC position after so many interviews. Bieniemy interviewed for 7 jobs over the past 2 years — the Bucs, Jets, Dolphins and Bengals in 2019; the Browns, Giants and Panthers in 2020. The information I now present has be gathered via scouts, coaches, GMs and imbedded media. The Bengals HC position was all but sealed.........until the interview. Just as he came across in previous interviews, he was grossly unprepared, abrassive and arrogant.

Other significant factors that played into his rejections. As OC at Colorado, Colorado had its worst offense in its history. During his term there, he was found to cover up his players' sexual assaults, while also being involved in securing prostitutes for player recruitment.

He has been involved/arrested for numerous assaults, including the choking a female parking attendant. He has accumulated a significant number of DUI's, one of which involved leaving the scene of an accident. His last documented DUI was the end of 2001, but I understand that he has had some since that have been "taken care of."

As opposed to what some people have strongly argued, my sources in the KC organization have confirmed that Reid, not Bieniemy, does both the game planning and play calling during game day.

His demeanor during interviews have tended to re-inforce his past character issues.
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Momma's gonna be on board with hiring this guy?

LMAO

If the Texans go with DW4's wishes they're going to get what they deserve.
 
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Corrosion said:
Pat Mahomes : Hold my beer.
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Patrick Mahomes came into the league a raw, though immensely talented, Air Raid QB with a sub .500 record as a starter. Someone had to help mold him into one of the most fearsome passers in NFL history. Maybe, more than one person.
 
Lucky said:
Patrick Mahomes came into the league a raw, though immensely talented, Air Raid QB with a sub .500 record as a starter. Someone had to help mold him into one of the most fearsome passers in NFL history. Maybe, more than one person.
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It was sarcasm ....
 
Earl34 said:
@SnakeEyes. You probably will avoid this question too. Based on Reid answering this question from a reporter. Does he also only want a minority HC and GM?

Do you stop to think that reporters are asking these players about certain coaches and they are giving these responses?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1334618419161931777
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This says something about Reid and his vouching for a guy with Bienemy's character. Of course he is Eric Reid's brother so I really shouldn't be surprised the he wouldn't take things like character into account.
 
maverick512000 said:
To get back on topic, I’m saying no to Bieniemy and that was before I read CnD’s post. Putting possible behind the scenes issues which I have no proof of, though I trust CnD enough to believe what he says, from a pure football and business PoV I’m not liking what I’ve seen.

First I don’t want another first time HC because I think that was one of OB’s issue is that he was a first time HC which is like dealing with a first time manager. Anyone who has had to work for a first time manager will tell you it usually sucks because most times they micromanage and try to be involved in everything OR they think ok I’ve made it now to t just kick back and let everyone else do the work. OB I think was the former.

Second KC hasn’t had a great record until they got loaded with talent. It was ok but really no better than ours under OB and that was with an above average QB in Smith and a HoF coach in Reid overseeing it. There is nothing in his resume to suggest to me he can build a team with nothing but a QB and a LT.

Finally we keep saying we don’t want to be NE south and for many just working for the Pats is reason not to hire someone but we are all on board with being KC south? So we don’t want to be like the team that has won 6 SBs in 20 years but we do want to be like the one that has won 1 in 50 years?
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Spot On

However I do want the guy who got the talent for the Chiefs to run the Texans org and be given the same leeway the Chiefs gave him. (Dorsey)
 
steelbtexan said:
This says something about Reid and his vouching for a guy with Bienemy's character. Of course he is Eric Reid's brother so I really shouldn't be surprised the he wouldn't take things like character into account.
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What character issues does Eric Reid have? And since when has character been an issue with you? You've been railing against the "Texan Worthy" motto for years, if not decades.
 
Lucky said:
What character issues does Eric Reid have? And since when has character been an issue with you? You've been railing against the "Texan Worthy" motto for years, if not decades.
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Players/Coaches and 2 totally different things.

Coaches should be high character guys, players I just want the most talented players on the team.
 
Lucky said:
What about GM? Haven't you been jocking Scot McCloughan?
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McCloughan is a recovering alcoholic as far as I know he hasn't gotten in any trouble with the law. Certainly he doesn't have a rap sheet like the 1 CnD posted for Bienemy.

Plus McCloughan is proven to be very good at his job. Bienemy?
 
Corrosion said:
A little unfair to throw Baby Shanny in the "failure category" when he got his team to last years Superbowl with a 20-10 lead going into the 4th quarter of that game ?
This year he's had injury after injury to deal with , particularly at QB where Garoppolo has only played in 6 games ?
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Except I didn't throw Kyle, or any of them, in a 'failure category'..

That's actually the complete opposite of my post there..
 
steelbtexan said:
McCloughan is a recovering alcoholic as far as I know he hasn't gotten in any trouble with the law. Certainly he doesn't have a rap sheet like the 1 CnD posted for Bienemy.

Plus McCloughan is proven to be very good at his job. Bienemy?
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McCloughan has been fired twice as GM, with one playof team in 4 seasons. Bieniemy has been OC of the #1 offense in the NFL 2 of the past 3 seasons.
 
Lucky said:
McCloughan has been fired twice as GM, with one playof team in 4 seasons. Bieniemy has been OC of the #1 offense in the NFL 2 of the past 3 seasons.
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He lost a power struggle in Washington. Allen rightfully got fired a yr later. He put alot of talent on the Redskins and they will be a good football team if they can find a QB. (The Texans have a good QB) I hope Dalton ends up with the Redskins.

After reading CnD's post about Bienemy you still want this guy as the HC? This speaks volumes about you and the Texans will get what they deserve if they try to placate their QB by hiring him.
 
Lucky said:
I had read the articles regarding Bieniemy's past transgressions. Seems light on facts and heavy on incidents that happened 20 years ago. How much of the KC offensive success is due to Reid? Mahomes? Bieniemy? Andy Reid never had a #1 NFL offense until 2018. Since then, he's had two.

Three former Reid OCs have gone on to get NFL HC jobs (Brad Childress, Doug Pederson, Matt Nagy). Moreover, Reid's coaching tree has an exceptional number of HCs. John Harbaugh, Ron Rivera, Sean McDermott. Former NFL HCs Todd Bowles, Pat Shurmer, and Steve Spagnuolo also coached under Reid. An assistant coach is going to learn a lot about what it takes to lead a team from Reid by osmosis.

Questions about Bieniemy's abrasiveness and attitude need to be examined. This organization doesn't need another dictator like O'Brien roaming the sidelines or locker room. But on the surface, where's the evidence of Bieniemy's caustic demeanor? Where are the sideline histrionics? Getting into it with fans? Bieniemy's players love him. I don't see this as a real issue. The issue is, what is Bieniemy's football acumen and his ability to lead players and coaches? And that's the same question fort every head coaching candidate.

My issue with this process is, who in the Texans organization is going to vet these would be HCs on their football knowledge? Cal & Jack (LOL!). That's why I've said there needs to be 3 new hires. A HC, a GM, and a head of football operations who knows the game and the business. A football pyramid with a Big Honcho sitting at the top. Someone who knows what it takes to be a NFL HC and GM. Someone that can ask the tough questions and know what the correct answers are. That's what's missing on Kirby.
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Easterby is the guy currently in that role.

SMDH
 
Lucky said:
Patrick Mahomes came into the league a raw, though immensely talented, Air Raid QB with a sub .500 record as a starter. Someone had to help mold him into one of the most fearsome passers in NFL history. Maybe, more than one person.
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Some can change the way they've played their entire lives. Most cant.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
There is good reason for Bieniemy failing to secure a HC position after so many interviews. Bieniemy interviewed for 7 jobs over the past 2 years — the Bucs, Jets, Dolphins and Bengals in 2019; the Browns, Giants and Panthers in 2020. The information I now present has be gathered via scouts, coaches, GMs and imbedded media. The Bengals HC position was all but sealed.........until the interview. Just as he came across in previous interviews, he was grossly unprepared, abrassive and arrogant.

Other significant factors that played into his rejections. As OC at Colorado, Colorado had its worst offense in its history. During his term there, he was found to cover up his players' sexual assaults, while also being involved in securing prostitutes for player recruitment.

He has been involved/arrested for numerous assaults, including the choking a female parking attendant. He has accumulated a significant number of DUI's, one of which involved leaving the scene of an accident. His last documented DUI was the end of 2001, but I understand that he has had some since that have been "taken care of."

As opposed to what some people have strongly argued, my sources in the KC organization have confirmed that Reid, not Bieniemy, does both the game planning and play calling during game day.

His demeanor during interviews have tended to re-inforce his past character issues.
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But today right now he’s the hottest commodity. Every sports head is beefing him up. Therefore, I do not believe they share your opinion.
 
whodknee said:
Yes, I think he will coach soon
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He's got a complicated offense. I wonder who will be his OC, Tim Kelly would fit well.

In 2018 when the Bills hired Daboll, many people criticized the hire, because Daboll was unsuccessful as a coordinator at his previous stops with the Cleveland Browns, Miami Dolphins, and Kansas City Chiefs. But the marriage of head coach Sean McDermott and Daboll made sense, because they both shared the same offensive philosophy. A philosophy that Daboll picked up in the years he spent with the New England Patriots, where he won five Super Bowls. A philosophy in which the goal on offense is to exploit the weaknesses of the opposing team defense by being multiple on offense, and vary your game plan on a week-to-week basis. The focus really isn’t on what you do well, but more so on what the defense doesn’t
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A little Daboll history.
 
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steelbtexan said:
This says something about Reid and his vouching for a guy with Bienemy's character. Of course he is Eric Reid's brother so I really shouldn't be surprised the he wouldn't take things like character into account.
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Lucky said:
What character issues does Eric Reid have? And since when has character been an issue with you? You've been railing against the "Texan Worthy" motto for years, if not decades.
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Good question and does it say the same thing about Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes who are vouching for a guy with Bienemy's character?
 
Earl34 said:
Good question and does it say the same thing about Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes who are vouching for a guy with Bienemy's character?
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I'm thinking Mahomes is pimping Bieniemy to get him out of KC.

Kinda like Kraft telling Bob, "You're on the right track, keep doing what you're doing."

He & Andy would probably have a big laugh if Bieniemy ends up in Houston.
 
A lot of these guys have flaws.

Can EB run this team and lead men? If he is arrogant and not up to the challenge, then pass on hiring him. But I am not going to dive into his 20-year history of allegations to form a biased opinion. I too have reservations about his contributions to the KC offense. Anytime you have a legit HC with a Pro Bowl QB you have questions about the OC, especially one who at a minimum shares play call duties.
 
I’ve never been sold on Bienemy simply b/c I’ve never been convinced he’s been the guy behind KC’s offense.....he may be LITERALLY the guy calling the plays into Mahomes’ helmet, but the style of offense, the game planning...that’s vintage Reid. I have a pretty good idea of what Reid’s bringing to the table, a pretty good idea of what Mahomes is bringing to the equation, the only unknown is what & how much Bienemy is bringing to the KC offensive equation. And his coaching history isn’t exactly loaded with all sorts of experience to suggest he’s anything more than a guy who can coach the hell out of rbs. Aside from that, he’s only been in his his current role for a few years. before him Matt Nagy was Reid’s OC and the hotshot young offensive mind...well, Chicago has been anything but since he got the gig up there.

There’s just too much pushing for him to get a HC gig......& it’s for all the wrong reasons.
 
Mr teX said:
I’ve never been sold on Bienemy simply b/c I’ve never been convinced he’s been the guy behind KC’s offense.....he may be LITERALLY the guy calling the plays into Mahomes’ helmet, but the style of offense, the game planning...that’s vintage Reid. I have a pretty good idea of what Reid’s bringing to the table, a pretty good idea of what Mahomes is bringing to the equation, the only unknown is what & how much Bienemy is bringing to the KC offensive equation. And his coaching history isn’t exactly loaded with all sorts of experience to suggest he’s anything more than a guy who can coach the hell out of rbs. Aside from that, he’s only been in his his current role for a few years. before him Matt Nagy was Reid’s OC and the hotshot young offensive mind...well, Chicago has been anything but since he got the gig up there.

There’s just too much pushing for him to get a HC gig......& it’s for all the wrong reasons.
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You could make the argument that Reid has never won a super bowl without EB installing his game plan. Reid has been around a long time with amazing players and never got over the hump. He had a record of failing the big one. EB steps in with Mahomes (who no matter who calls plays, EB has had a hand in developing Mahomes) and they find offensive consistency and success.

Playing devil's advocate here. I am still torn on my favorite HC candidate.

If Zimmer gets fired, he moves to the top of my list.
 
Earl34 said:
Good question and does it say the same thing about Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes who are vouching for a guy with Bienemy's character?
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I dont want Bienemy for football reasons

The character things are just the cherry on top.

If Cal hires him Cal will get what he deserves.
 
AS ALWAYS, Black HC candidates have to deal EVERYTHING in their past being brought up, while white candidates don't deal with the same scrutiny. "Sources" say Eric B. just stands around while Andy Reid does all the work. A DUI 20 years ago. Colorado having a BAD offense, while acknowledging CU had HORRIBLE talent. Just maybe, Eric B. learned from Andy Reid how to win. Mahomes has RAVED about Eric B. as have other players.

This is a hatchet job people are attempting on Eric B.. The reason Watson is high on Eric B. is because of what Mahomes has told Watson in private.
 
Mr.Scarface said:
This is a hatchet job people are attempting on Eric B..
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So it's not true that he interviewed for 7 teams in the last two years? Don't you wonder why they turned him down?

That doesn't mean we shouldn't interview him.


Mr.Scarface said:
The reason Watson is high on Eric B. is because of what Mahomes has told Watson in private.
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& 12 weeks ago Watson was professing his love for O'Brien.
 
Cal is still playing with house money. I don't expect anything bold right now. They came out with that goofy search committee to let people think they are serious.
 
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