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Corrosion said:
I really think Free Agency is going to be interesting next offseason .... With all these big contracts being inked and a significant drop in the cap looming , many teams are going to be at / over the cap to start the offseason and that's going to result in a whole lot of players who have little to no dead money being cut to satisfy the cap rules.
Teams who have some wiggle room will be able to pay pennies on the dollar for premium talents that those other teams cut while those teams are left signing players for the minimum to fill their rosters.

According to Spotrac's current cap numbers for 2021 , the Texans will be sellers being 21m above the projected cap.
Crazy to think that JJ Watt could be a cap casualty in 2021 as he has no dead money along with David Johnson and Brandin Cooks - making that deal for Hopkins appear even worse.

That is before any extension for Watson or WFV - Any extension for those two would make the Texans financial situation even worse.

Worse yet , two teams in the AFC South are currently in the top 5 in terms of available cap space with the Jaq's at #4 having $38.2m the Colts sitting at the top of the list with $79.9m in available cap space .... and Bill Belichick sitting at #2 with $57m to play with.
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Spotrac has 2020 roll over as only $3 m and we now have 23. Where did that 20 go? Fuller , Cunningham and Stills only name players and first two I expect to go elsewhere.

Also. I dont think $175 cap for 2021 set in stone yet. Watt could be gone and his added to 5th year Watson's 17.5 could be Deshaun's new deal if he signs for three. Last I heard, O'Brien still focused on a Mahommes type long term contract.

Much to happen yet before I worry about off season a year away.
 
Texansphan said:
And that's not the end of it - iirc, Texans dont have a 1st or 2nd round pick in the next draft.
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I think Texans are looking to roll with what they have for next two seasons. I think they are expecting Coulter to replace someone on the outside WR. Other than JJ our starters are reasonably young and seasoned. We have on roster replacement for Watt when he leaves. Our draft in 2021 should be depth only.
 
Corrosion said:
Sure , they could rework their deals .... but the point is that a lot of players are going to get less next year because of Covid - The only players immune to being cap casualties are stars playing in their primes and guys like Mercilus who have a ton of dead money.

Cooks has no dead money and a $12m salary - that zero dead money makes him a prime candidate to become a cap casualty or rework.

Johnson has 2.1m in dead money on a 9m deal. 6.9m in cap savings and easily replaceable for a fraction of that.

Mercilus has 15.15m in dead money but is due only 10.5m .... not a candidate.
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Yeah, I cannot see Johnson coming back in any circumstance and Cooks could extend with a team friendly deal as did Roby. Cooks could want to settle in with a team and QB that could bring him satisfaction.

Perhaps I am overly optimistic but I can see Mercilus with a season to make us feel better about his cap hit.

Watt IMO is the contract to watch going forward. Times are interesting.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1295144640824389632

Tough break for the young man. He apparently has a growing aortic aneurysm..........something that carries with it high risk of sudden death, and in general an 80% mortality. It is associated with high blood pressure and aortic valve issues. Surgery from aortic aneurysm is not an easy recovery and often times involves aortic valve replacement which is an equally difficult surgery. While he waits for the 5.5 cm surgical criteria [3.5 cms is considered normal, and >4.5 is considered enlarged], he will need to lose substantial weight, control his cholesterol and blood pressure. He will need to also stay away from anything that causes a high spike in blood pressure as would football or heavy weight lifting or highly animated arguments with his girlfriend.

Retirement was the only intelligent decision. Prayers to him.
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really glad the young man discovered this when he did. Tough but smart move to find another career and in addition to life changes that you mentioned. Better to retire in peace than rest in peace.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Padded practices have just begun and now Gerald McCoy today ruptured his ACL.................ACL #5.
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I don't know how the Cowboy's team doctor misdiagnosed a rupture quadriceps tendon as an ACL rupture...........even upon clinical exam prior to any MRI, the differential should be made. So remove #5 NFL ACL............and replace it with a much worse injury.
 
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I don't know how the Cowboy's team doctor misdiagnosed a rupture quadriceps tendon as an ACL rupture...........even upon clinical exam prior to any MRI, the differential should be made. So remove #5 NFL ACL............and replace it with a much worse injury.
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Wonder if McCoy is still going to be telling Jerrah what he should be doing? I'm pretty sure he will be cashing Jerrah's checks this yr.
 
He doesn't really need to say much about Jones, he's already spoken on the subject.

And of course he'll cash his paychecks, because.. of course.
 
It has been reported that Hopkins now has a hamstring issue. He has missed his second day of practice (and first padded practice) due to this "sore hamstring." But..................

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Is DeAndre Hopkins Holding Out?
By Walter Mitchell Aug 17, 2020, 2:45pm MDT

The way Kliff Kingsbury was talking about DeAndre Hopkins today, I got the sense that Hopkins’ main issue isn’t a hamstring—-it’s that he hasn't inked his new “top paid WR in the history of the NFL” contract yet.

And...perhaps a contract of that magnitude could take some time to materialize.

Especially for a player who hasn’t taken one snap in a game for the team yet.

When asked if Hopkins’ absence from the first practice in full pads (coincidental?) was a step backwards, Kingsbury said, “It’s not. He’s been so productive in this league. He’s a pro’s pro when it comes to knowing what it takes to have his body ready and his mind ready to perform at a high level Week 1. You’d obviously like Kyler to get a few more reps with him, but they got some great work in this summer and he’s a guy who is going to present himself well on the field for a young quarterback. We don’t worry too much about it, knowing what he’s done in this league and what he’s about.”

Curious that Kingsbury is already talking about Hopkins being ready for week 1 and it’s still nearly a month away.
Missing practices on a weekly basis during the season and then asking the Texans to rip up the last three years of his 5 year $81M contract because his G-money had already run out after the first two years were two of the main reasons why the Texans felt like he had forced their hand to trade him.

And now—-doesn’t it look like more of the same with the Cardinals?

For Kingsbury to make the statement that Hopkins knows how to get ready on his own would also appear to open the door for him missing practices during the season.

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Even if this is a hamstring, it does not bode well for the season as recurrent hamstrings in the same season as injury is notorious.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It has been reported that Hopkins now has a hamstring issue. He has missed his second day of practice (and first padded practice) due to this "sore hamstring." But..................

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Is DeAndre Hopkins Holding Out?
By Walter Mitchell Aug 17, 2020, 2:45pm MDT

The way Kliff Kingsbury was talking about DeAndre Hopkins today, I got the sense that Hopkins’ main issue isn’t a hamstring—-it’s that he hasn't inked his new “top paid WR in the history of the NFL” contract yet.

And...perhaps a contract of that magnitude could take some time to materialize.

Especially for a player who hasn’t taken one snap in a game for the team yet.

When asked if Hopkins’ absence from the first practice in full pads (coincidental?) was a step backwards, Kingsbury said, “It’s not. He’s been so productive in this league. He’s a pro’s pro when it comes to knowing what it takes to have his body ready and his mind ready to perform at a high level Week 1. You’d obviously like Kyler to get a few more reps with him, but they got some great work in this summer and he’s a guy who is going to present himself well on the field for a young quarterback. We don’t worry too much about it, knowing what he’s done in this league and what he’s about.”

Curious that Kingsbury is already talking about Hopkins being ready for week 1 and it’s still nearly a month away.
Missing practices on a weekly basis during the season and then asking the Texans to rip up the last three years of his 5 year $81M contract because his G-money had already run out after the first two years were two of the main reasons why the Texans felt like he had forced their hand to trade him.

And now—-doesn’t it look like more of the same with the Cardinals?

For Kingsbury to make the statement that Hopkins knows how to get ready on his own would also appear to open the door for him missing practices during the season.

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Even if this is a hamstring, it does not bode well for the season as recurrent hamstrings in the same season as injury is notorious.
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Somebody elses problem now
 
DeAndre Hopkins says he’s not holding out
Posted by Michael David Smith on August 18, 2020, 5:12 AM EDT

Cardinals wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins has been missing practice with a hamstring injury, but questions have been raised about whether he might actually be sitting out of practice because he’s unhappy with his contract. Hopkins has now answered those questions definitively.

“No Deandre Hopkins is not holding out. From the source,” Hopkins wrote on Twitter.

Players do sometimes report to training camp but decline to participate in practice because they’re unhappy with their contracts. That is reportedly what Chargers defensive end Melvin Ingram is doing right now. Under the league’s new Collective Bargaining Agreement, which increases the fines for training camp holdouts to $50,000 a day and prohibits teams from forgiving those fines, a player like Ingram or Hopkins might think his best method of getting a new contract is to show up but sit out of practice until he gets the contract he wants.

But Hopkins’ tweet indicates that’s not the case. Hopkins has three more years left on his contract at salaries of $12.5 million this year, $13.5 million next year and $13.9 million in 2022, and it wouldn’t be surprising if he feels underpaid and wants more, but he says what’s keeping him off the practice field now is his hamstring, not his contract.

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The problem is that it would seem to be impossible to sort out what is keeping him from practicing. Of course, IF Hopkins is not truly dealing with a significant hamstring injury, it would serve as a hard-to-prove ideal mechanism to avoid hefty fines while seeking a new contract.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
DeAndre Hopkins says he’s not holding out
Posted by Michael David Smith on August 18, 2020, 5:12 AM EDT

Cardinals wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins has been missing practice with a hamstring injury, but questions have been raised about whether he might actually be sitting out of practice because he’s unhappy with his contract. Hopkins has now answered those questions definitively.

“No Deandre Hopkins is not holding out. From the source,” Hopkins wrote on Twitter.

Players do sometimes report to training camp but decline to participate in practice because they’re unhappy with their contracts. That is reportedly what Chargers defensive end Melvin Ingram is doing right now. Under the league’s new Collective Bargaining Agreement, which increases the fines for training camp holdouts to $50,000 a day and prohibits teams from forgiving those fines, a player like Ingram or Hopkins might think his best method of getting a new contract is to show up but sit out of practice until he gets the contract he wants.

But Hopkins’ tweet indicates that’s not the case. Hopkins has three more years left on his contract at salaries of $12.5 million this year, $13.5 million next year and $13.9 million in 2022, and it wouldn’t be surprising if he feels underpaid and wants more, but he says what’s keeping him off the practice field now is his hamstring, not his contract.

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The problem is that it would seem to be impossible to sort out what is keeping him from practicing. Of course, IF Hopkins is not truly dealing with a significant hamstring injury, it would serve as a hard-to-prove ideal mechanism to avoid hefty fines while seeking a new contract.
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He's somebody else problem now.
 
NFL teams are seeing a quickly climbing list of injuries............something that I predicted and should have been expected because of the drastically diminished offseason preparations. The negative effects of poor preparation will by its very nature continue.

The Chiefs especially are seeing the "0 to 100 mph" effects of poor long-term preparation for what they are now expected to jump in and do.

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Injury update from Chiefs training camp: TE Ricky Seals-Jones carted off


August 17, 2020 10:57 am
The Kansas City Chiefs were back at practice bright and early on Monday.
Here is the full list of players that didn’t practice today:
  • CB Antonio Hamilton (Groin)
  • CB Lavert Hill (Hamstring)
  • DB Juan Thornhill (PUP)
  • DT Chris Jones (Groin)
  • LB Darius Harris (Excused)
  • LT Eric Fisher (Concussion)
  • TE Deon Yelder (Groin)
  • WR Sammy Watkins (Groin)
  • WR Byron Pringle (Hamstring)
  • OT Martinas Rankin (PUP)
With each passing day, there has been new injury news, both good and bad. First, the good news. The Chiefs saw both defensive linemen Devaroe Lawrence and Derrick Nnadi return to practice. Lawrence had an excused absence from practice, while Nnadi was still nursing his ankle after offseason ankle surgery.

Additionally, rookie RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire was much more active in practice, returning to the starting lineup after being limited on Sunday due to dehydration.

As for the bad injury news, the Chiefs were already dangerously thin at the tight end position, with TE Deon Yelder dealing with a groin injury. Now, free-agent acquisition Ricky Seals-Jones suffered an injury to his right leg during practice. According to The Athletic’s Nate Taylor, it occurred during a special teams period and Seals-Jones was taken away to the locker room on a cart. That’s never a good sign when the cart has to come out at training camp.

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KoolAid Sipper said:
Cowboys release DT Gerald McCoy (quad) with injury waiver

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Cowboys release DT Gerald McCoy (quad) with injury waiver

Gerald McCoy has been released by the Cowboys via an injury waiver, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported via the transaction wire on Tuesday afternoon.
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His contract waiver clause was due to the fact that McCoy was found to have a condition of his quad tendon called tendinosis [a degeneration of the tendon's collagen in response to chronic overuse], not tendinitis [an inflammatory condition]. Tendinosis is a condition that is many times followed by a fraying, tearing and ultimate rupturing of the tendon involved........the same thing that commonly occurs with the Achilles. At 32 y/o and after 10 seasons, I'd be surprised if he didn't retire following this type of injury.
 
DeAndre Hopkins isn’t holding out, but is he holding in?
August 18, 2020, 10:32 AM EDT

No, Cardinals receiver DeAndre Hopkins isn’t holding out. Obviously he’s not; he’s in camp with the team that traded for him in March.

The real question is this: Is Hopkins holding in?

It’s a dynamic that is far from rare, even though it’s rarely talked about. A player who wants a new contract shows up for practices generally but refuses to participate in padded practices until he gets what he wants. In most cases, there’s an injury that technically isn’t keeping the player for participating but that is, as a practical matter, something that could set him up for a bigger problem down the road, at a time when he’s carrying the financial risk of a significant injury.

If the player gets the contract he wants, then he’ll gladly assume the risk of practicing or playing at a percentage below 100. Until then, he’s not willing to roll the dice on the kind of physical impairment that would keep him from getting the deal he wants.
It’s no secret that Hopkins wants to re-set the market at the receiver position, vaulting from an annual average of $16.2 million to something more than the Julio Jones new-money average of $22 million per year. That’s why the Texans traded Jones, and the Cardinals embraced Hopkins knowing that Hopkins wanted a new deal.
 
As would be expected, Brandon Brooks who suffered a rupture of his contralateral Achilles tendon just 17 months after rupturing his first, has been placed on PUP. The Eagles will probably have him start on PUP reserve with the potential to return later in the 2020 season...........if he is lucky. I would have to put Brooks' level of performance upon return as questionable.
 
And the ACL numbers keep quickly climbing.

Chicago Bears cornerback Artie Burns suffered a ruptured ACL in yesterday's practice..................ACL #8.
 
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Jets new promising WR Vyncint Smith suffered a significant practice injury............he was taken to the hospital for further evaluation where a decision was made that he needed to undergo immediate core muscle surgery. He will miss ~6-8 weeks.
 
Bengals DT Renell Wren has suffered what appears to be a partial quadriceps tendon tear. He will be evaluated for surgery. Even a partial tear of quad tendon in an NFL DT needs to be surgically repaired if total rupture is to be avoided.
 
Andre Dillard: I’m going to keep proving I’m the right guy for left tackle
Posted by Josh Alper on August 20, 2020, 9:51 AM EDT

Andre Dillard was drafted in the first round of the 2019 draft with the intention of being Jason Peters‘ successor as the Eagles left tackle, so there’s no surprise that he’s lining up in that spot at training camp.

If there is a surprise, it’s that Dillard is lining up there with Jason Peters on the roster. Peters wasn’t supposed to be there, but right guard Brandon Brooks tore his Achilles and the Eagles brought the veteran back to fill that spot.

Peters may be playing guard now, but his presence means there will almost certainly be calls for him to move back to his old spot in the event Dillard struggles this season. Dillard said he’s “excited to keep learning” from Peters and said he’ll show that there’s no reason to turn back the clock in Philly.

“There’s a lot of pressure and responsibility, naturally, but you can’t really dwell on that,” Dillard said, via Reuben Frank of NBCSportsPhiladelphia.com. “I’m the guy for the position, I’m going to keep proving that I’m the guy for the spot.”
Dillard said the game has slowed down a lot for him in his second season and the Eagles are hopeful that means he’ll be ready for the quickest of pass rushers come the regular season.

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Not so fast. Dillard has had a measly week of practice....................it's by no means the real thing yet................certainly no way to honestly say anything about a "second season."
 
Chiefs players are going down quickly. With Sammy Watkins already out with a significant groin injury, now Tyreek Hill pulled up lame very early in today's practice after catching a long pass and never returned.
 
T.J. Logan carted off at Bucs practice
Posted by Josh Alper on August 20, 2020, 12:13 PM EDT

One of the players vying for a role in Tampa’s backfield needed assistance getting off the field at Thursday’s practice.

Running back T.J. Logan was carted off after being tackled from behind by linebacker Quinton Bell. The injury came a play after the offense and defense did some pushing and shoving during an 11-on-11 drill and head coach Bruce Arians said after the session that players have to know the limits while working with their teammates.

“When we’re in the non-tackling period, I don’t want to tackle,” Arians said, via Eduardo Encina of the Tampa Bay Times. “When we tackle, we tackle. But the last thing you do is grab a jersey. I can see you on film if you’re going to make a tackle or not. We’ll see how that goes, how it plays out. But there’s a certain practice etiquette you have to follow. Young guys happen to struggle with that.”

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There's absolutely no excuse for this happening.........tackling in a non-tackling drill. Looks like lack of discipline byh both the offense and defense led to this incident. But making it so much more egregregious is the fact that Bell snapped Logan back by the shirt prior to the tackle.
 
Tyreek Hill's injury is a hamstring. Hill has had a long history of problems with his hamstring injuries, including last season. Of course, it's only a "minor" hamstring. Not good no matter what as it is likely to be a recurring problem in-season.
 
Chiefs to ban some Native American imagery, review allowing 'Arrowhead Chop'

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I grew up in KC. While I'm trying to understand some of the moves we are seeing in the NFL relating to this subject, some of the moves still leave me questioning things. When you go to games, all teams have imagery in the stands, especially painted bodies representing their teams. Fans have done this since the beginning of sports..........and for just one reason............to show support for their teams. With KC, the name and logo, unlike the Washington Redskins', is complimentary to the bravery, relentlessness, and heroism of the Indian brave. I greatly admire and respect the Indian Nation. That will not be diminished by any team that's true intentions are to embody their greatness.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Tyreek Hill's injury is a hamstring. Hill has had a long history of problems with his hamstring injuries, including last season. Of course, it's only a "minor" hamstring. Not good no matter what as it is likely to be a recurring problem in-season.
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They should trade him.
 
Andy Reid: Tyreek Hill will miss a few days
Posted by Michael David Smith on August 21, 2020, 2:45 PM EDT

Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill is currently out of practice with a hamstring injury, but he should be back well before the Chiefs open their season, in less than three weeks.

Kansas City coach Andy Reid said today that Hill, who spent today working with trainers on the sideline, will be back on the practice field in a few days.

“It’s not a big tear or anything like that,” Reid said, via Adam Teicher of ESPN.A hamstring injury also caused Hill to miss some time last year, but the Chiefs believe all he needs is time to rest. He should be on the field when the NFL season starts with the Chiefs hosting the Texans on Thursday, September 10.

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"A few days?" Don't know how smart that is. Even with a grade I hamstring tear, you typically need anywhere from a full week to 3 weeks before return is appropriate. If he tries to come back in a few days, his likelihood of later recurrence increases beyond what would already be expected.
 
Soft tissue injuries are showing their ugly head..........but should be expected with the ridiculously short period of preparation that has been afforded to the players.

Bills newly signed CB Josh Norman has just suffered a Grade II hamstring tear. Although the Bills have not voiced a true "prognosis," he should not be made available for the beginning of the season.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Chiefs to ban some Native American imagery, review allowing 'Arrowhead Chop'

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I grew up in KC. While I'm trying to understand some of the moves we are seeing in the NFL relating to this subject, some of the moves still leave me questioning things. When you go to games, all teams have imagery in the stands, especially painted bodies representing their teams. Fans have done this since the beginning of sports..........and for just one reason............to show support for their teams. With KC, the name and logo, unlike the Washington Redskins', is complimentary to the bravery, relentlessness, and heroism of the Indian brave. I greatly admire and respect the Indian Nation. That will not be diminished by any team that's true intentions are to embody their greatness.
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As you know Doc I'm from the area myself (actually St. Joseph which is like 45 miles north of KC up I-29), and I'm proud to say that the Chiefs for several years now have been having their summer TC on the campus of my alma mater in St Joseph, Missouri Western U.
Ok so much for the hometown plug but I'm a long-time Chiefs fan myself and gotta say all the criticism and censorship with the whole thing about the "Arrowhead Chop" and other stuff bout the Indian garb and imagery is obviously silly.
I think much of what Chiefs fans do celebrates some of the most admirable features historically speaking of Native Americans.
 
The Jaguars have had a line of setbacks on their DL, losing Aaron Lynch to retirement, then another player Rodney Gunter to retirement........................and yesterday they lost recently signed Josh Mauro to a 5 game suspension for a violation of PED policy.
 
Former Texans offensive lineman Kyle Fuller, now with Seahawks, has been suspended by NFL for two games for violating substance abuse policy.
 
Jags WR Dede Westbrook sustained a shoulder injury which they say is minor, but is questionable for week 1. This cannot be good in light of the fact that it is the same shoulder he had issues with most of last season, along with an accompanying neck issue
 
Harbaugh is saying that Lamar Jackson after missing 2 practices is dealing with "a soft tissue thing." From what I have been hearing is that Jackson is dealing with a "sports hernia." This problem, for a "mobile" QB may follow him the remainder of 2020.
 
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