Was it wrong to pay Phillip Rivers like a top QB?I am not sold on either OBrien or Dashaun and want one more season at Watson's $4.4 m cap hit rather than $35 to 40+ million.
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Was it wrong to pay Phillip Rivers like a top QB?I am not sold on either OBrien or Dashaun and want one more season at Watson's $4.4 m cap hit rather than $35 to 40+ million.
This head coach has issues beyond the QB. Its been 2.5 years, so of course Watson has things to work on. Being 24 years old he has room to grow into his full potential. Now flip that to OB, as the head coach he's making some of the same mistakes yearly going on 6 years? At 50 years old, he's not an old man, but how likely do you think it is for the light bulb to come on? I'm not cheering against OB and I want great things for this team, but his leash should be a helluva lot shorter than Watson's. I don't think Watson regressed but probably didn't progress at the rate WE expected from '18 to '19. I also think you're underestimating the extra $5-6M per year, I see that as $25-30M over 5 years.Well for some of us it is not all about paying huge sums of money to Watson; it is also about whether he is the QB to take this team led by this head coach to the super bowl. I am not sold on either OBrien or Dashaun and want one more season at Watson's $4.4 m cap hit rather than $35 to 40+ million. OBrien not going anywhere 2020 and probably not 2021 so I want convincing that #4 is the guy. Everyone here knows who thinks Watson is not the guy and who thinks it's all OBrien's fault. Watson for whatever reason seemed to regress from 2018- 2019 and I want clearer understanding of why. If it was Dashaun it is better to know before a new deal settles into his checking account. If OBrien flubs it, hopefully McNairs will pull plug. Why anyone does not want to wait this season is beyond me. It is not our money so why so eager to spend when we don't have to? So what if we then have to pay more? An extra $5-6 m more per year is worth the gamble. I would have loved to have had another year of Tunsil at $2m cap (2019) to decide on him but we didn't have it. Many are complaining that we overpaid him significantly; why take chance with Watson when we do not have to? As with Laremy, Dashaun's going to be paid so let it ride.
Yes. Why are we pretending these QBs from the Mesozoic Age will bounce back from bad seasons? Rivers is on the decline. I think the Colts are going to play retroball, and run their rookie RB behind their power running O-line. They also drafted a big possession receiver. They plan on grinding it out and are looking for a game manager. Rivers just threw 20 picks last year. Can't play it close to the vest when your cement footed QB is creating turnovers. Rivers is the reason the Texans will win the AFC South again.Was it wrong to pay Phillip Rivers like a top QB?
I was having a Texans discussion with a couple of friends (fans of other teams) this morning and they both of them suggested that I do not fully understand O'Briens latest moves as they relate to Waton's contract. Of course, this I had to hear. So they claim the following;
1) We allowed Reader to walk because he was due for a big payday. (Giving the illusion we could not pay him due to impending contract negotiations with Watson/Tunsil).
2) Traded Hopkins who was rumored to want more money and admitting he outplayed his contract. (Adding to the illusion).
3) Signing mid tier and lower tier talent to higher than deserved contracts i.e. Eric Murray (To eat up cap space ((but pay attention, these contracts are easy to get out of in a year or two once our QB is resigned)) and further give the illusion that we are trying to get talent but cap space is shrinking).
4) Sign Tunsil to his massive contract first (See Watson, we did this for you!!)
Basically it boils down to this. "See Watson, we have to let these top tier weapons go because the money they are requesting is tied up in your future contract". Keeping in mind O'Briens familiarity with the New England approach to football (Brady accepting less than deserved payment in order to add/keep talent around him) it is my friends belief that all these moves by O'Brien are an attempt to manipulate Watson into signing a team friendly contract.
Are they way off base?
I have been thinking for a long time that DW4 could take $30m per because with that plus endorsements, your personal lifestyle does not change, you are made, your kids are made, the extra $10m is yes real money, but on the field it means another weapon or person to protect him, or person to make a play to save a game. The union would be pissed, but I walked away from some paydays for a better quality of life and I did not have it near as hard as DW4. Let's see, but if he was going to give a discount, I think this would have happened already as the Texans should sign immediatelyInteresting angle....
No, I'm not talking about now. I'm talking back in the Mesozoic age. We know now that it's highly unlikely he'll win a Super Bowl.Yes. Why are we pretending these QBs from the Mesozoic Age will bounce back from bad seasons? Rivers is on the decline.
Yes. Watson's agent is going to be like, "Houston can't pay you. They can't afford to franchise you. Las Vegas can."Are they way off base?
I think you meant A.J. McCarron. Probably a typo.Same with Andrew Luck, Matt Stafford, Carson Palmer, Andy Dalton... those guys, like Watson, are talented enough to win a Super Bowl. Just didn't happen.
Was it wrong to pay Phillip Rivers like a top QB?
Yes. Why are we pretending these QBs from the Mesozoic Age will bounce back from bad seasons? Rivers is on the decline. I think the Colts are going to play retroball, and run their rookie RB behind their power running O-line. They also drafted a big possession receiver. They plan on grinding it out and are looking for a game manager. Rivers just threw 20 picks last year. Can't play it close to the vest when your cement footed QB is creating turnovers. Rivers is the reason the Texans will win the AFC South again.
Rivers was this in '16, that in '17. This is 2020. He's much more likely to get worse than bounce back. In fact, I think Brissett will get the job back at some point.Rivers threw 21 picks in '16 and followed that with 10 in '17.
Definitely not same scenario but I say it was a mistake. His age and INT to TD ratio is horrible. It is being hoped he can turn that back to 2018 which in turn should improve his accuracy from 66% to 68ish. Colts do not have a better option IMO as they gambled and lost with Brissett. I think they are wishin and a hopin that Jacob Eason can learn enough to be the guy in 2021 as the other two should be gone opening up comps for 2022.Was it wrong to pay Phillip Rivers like a top QB?
I was having a Texans discussion with a couple of friends (fans of other teams) this morning and they both of them suggested that I do not fully understand O'Briens latest moves as they relate to Waton's contract. Of course, this I had to hear. So they claim the following;
1) We allowed Reader to walk because he was due for a big payday. (Giving the illusion we could not pay him due to impending contract negotiations with Watson/Tunsil).
2) Traded Hopkins who was rumored to want more money and admitting he outplayed his contract. (Adding to the illusion).
3) Signing mid tier and lower tier talent to higher than deserved contracts i.e. Eric Murray (To eat up cap space ((but pay attention, these contracts are easy to get out of in a year or two once our QB is resigned)) and further give the illusion that we are trying to get talent but cap space is shrinking).
4) Sign Tunsil to his massive contract first (See Watson, we did this for you!!)
Basically it boils down to this. "See Watson, we have to let these top tier weapons go because the money they are requesting is tied up in your future contract". Keeping in mind O'Briens familiarity with the New England approach to football (Brady accepting less than deserved payment in order to add/keep talent around him) it is my friends belief that all these moves by O'Brien are an attempt to manipulate Watson into signing a team friendly contract.
Are they way off base?
I agree with your friends except for #3 and I'm not sure if to eat up cap space is their position or how you interpreted it.I was having a Texans discussion with a couple of friends (fans of other teams) this morning and they both of them suggested that I do not fully understand O'Briens latest moves as they relate to Waton's contract. Of course, this I had to hear. So they claim the following;
1) We allowed Reader to walk because he was due for a big payday. (Giving the illusion we could not pay him due to impending contract negotiations with Watson/Tunsil).
2) Traded Hopkins who was rumored to want more money and admitting he outplayed his contract. (Adding to the illusion).
3) Signing mid tier and lower tier talent to higher than deserved contracts i.e. Eric Murray (To eat up cap space ((but pay attention, these contracts are easy to get out of in a year or two once our QB is resigned)) and further give the illusion that we are trying to get talent but cap space is shrinking).
4) Sign Tunsil to his massive contract first (See Watson, we did this for you!!)
Basically it boils down to this. "See Watson, we have to let these top tier weapons go because the money they are requesting is tied up in your future contract". Keeping in mind O'Briens familiarity with the New England approach to football (Brady accepting less than deserved payment in order to add/keep talent around him) it is my friends belief that all these moves by O'Brien are an attempt to manipulate Watson into signing a team friendly contract.
Are they way off base?
That's a terrible thing to portray. A seasoned GM or any GM with a good capologist will know how to make it work. Plus, doesn't the salary cap adjust up every year?I was having a Texans discussion with a couple of friends (fans of other teams) this morning and they both of them suggested that I do not fully understand O'Briens latest moves as they relate to Waton's contract. Of course, this I had to hear. So they claim the following;
1) We allowed Reader to walk because he was due for a big payday. (Giving the illusion we could not pay him due to impending contract negotiations with Watson/Tunsil).
2) Traded Hopkins who was rumored to want more money and admitting he outplayed his contract. (Adding to the illusion).
3) Signing mid tier and lower tier talent to higher than deserved contracts i.e. Eric Murray (To eat up cap space ((but pay attention, these contracts are easy to get out of in a year or two once our QB is resigned)) and further give the illusion that we are trying to get talent but cap space is shrinking).
4) Sign Tunsil to his massive contract first (See Watson, we did this for you!!)
Basically it boils down to this. "See Watson, we have to let these top tier weapons go because the money they are requesting is tied up in your future contract". Keeping in mind O'Briens familiarity with the New England approach to football (Brady accepting less than deserved payment in order to add/keep talent around him) it is my friends belief that all these moves by O'Brien are an attempt to manipulate Watson into signing a team friendly contract.
Are they way off base?
Rivers was this in '16, that in '17. This is 2020. He's much more likely to get worse than bounce back. In fact, I think Brissett will get the job back at some point.
As Brady said on the Jimmy Kimmel show, "And my wife makes a lot of money."In NE it was Brady that pushed for team friendly contracts because Brady maybe the only player you can truly say cares more about winning than he does money.
So it would be smart to wait.
Kerr?Kerr will prob overpay.
I think he meant Cur...Kerr?
Typed "Jerr" but auto corrected.Kerr?
And Prescott signs tag for $31 million.I do not expect Watson to sign a new extension unless obrien agrees to #4s agents demand. Dak Prescott should come first. Kerr will prob overpay.
Hmm, this is beginning to look predictive. Dak at 31, Mahommes perhaps at 36 and Watson in between seems to meet all the rumored criteria. I would still like to see Dashaun play one more season before locking in big bucks but my offer might be hard for Obrien to turn down.I can see a contract for Dashaun designed similar to Tunsil's. Three year extension for $100 million to be spread over 2020 thru 2023 (4 years) for cap purpose. $ 33.33 avg per for new money and $25 m over the four. Puts him into top five QB in most areas. He would be 28 end of this deal and NFL cap recovery from Covid19 should be completed. I don't think I will be out on a limb by saying the full 100 GTD. Matt Ryan at his age got almost that IIRC.
And Prescott signs tag for $31 million.
The Cowboys offer would have given him a 5-year contract with $22 million / year guaranteed (~$110 million total). The tag alone gives him ~ 1/3 of the offered contract........in 1 year.I can see a contract for Dashaun designed similar to Tunsil's. Three year extension for $100 million to be spread over 2020 thru 2023 (4 years) for cap purpose. $ 33.33 avg per for new money and $25 m over the four. Puts him into top five QB in most areas. He would be 28 end of this deal and NFL cap recovery from Covid19 should be completed. I don't think I will be out on a limb by saying the full 100 GTD. Matt Ryan at his age got almost that IIRC.
The Cowboys offer would have given him a 5-year contract with $22 million / year guaranteed (~$110 million total). The tag alone gives him ~ 1/3 of the offered contract........in 1 year.
No, I disagree. He was hoping as are the others that he would get a monster deal and he waited as long as he could. The Cowboys have until July 15th to continue negotiating; after that unable until after year. See Cloak's post after mine.After all of that fuss dude signs the tender. Lol too funny. He should’ve taken the contract that was offered to him. IMO
Deshaun with an e and an a. Come on, he’s been here long enough.
$31M for the year ain’t a bad option for anyone. This is a QB league. If you want a star, it’s gonna cost you. Watson would be wise to get everything he can. He’s already left a lung on the field for the franchise.
Has nothing to do with his time in Houston, I am a poor typist and frequently my mind and fingers don't connect at the keyboard. Also as most know George (Michael) Floyd for example I just get names mixed up. No disrespect meant but love me or hate me I probably will continue to make these type errors. Most would be shocked at how many errors I catch before I click "post".Deshaun with an e and an a. Come on, he’s been here long enough.
$31M for the year ain’t a bad option for anyone. This is a QB league. If you want a star, it’s gonna cost you. Watson would be wise to get everything he can. He’s already left a lung on the field for the franchise.
I think Jerry is most interested in getting farther down in round one of draft; championships a ways into the future.I guess winning a championship isn't important to you because if he's making more than 15% of the cap there will be no championships.
I guess winning a championship isn't important to you because if he's making more than 15% of the cap there will be no championships.
Talent costs.
Add me to your blocked list please. I’d prefer you don’t quote me again. Thanks.
Deshaun with an e and an a. Come on, he’s been here long enough.
$31M for the year ain’t a bad option for anyone. This is a QB league. If you want a star, it’s gonna cost you. Watson would be wise to get everything he can. He’s already left a lung on the field for the franchise.
Keep in mind that NO QB has won a superbowl while earning greater than 14% of the cap total in that given year.
Talent costs.
Add me to your blocked list please. I’d prefer you don’t quote me again. Thanks.
These people be quoting some irrelevant stuff like it’s the gospel. They read it here and now it’s brought up every time Watson and money is brought up. Watson is not about to eat up the cap space. I guess we didn’t just pay Tunsil big time money. Oh I guess we can say Mahomas won’t win another SB nor will Jackson once they get big time mega contracts. The Eagles can hang it up too
Watson and the Texans agree(?) on a 3 year extension worth 38M according to PFT
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