There's a stat floating around that the sucky OL gave Watson 2.5 seconds to get rid of the ball on average. Which should have been enough time if everything else worked like it should have in those 2.5 seconds.
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- Thread starter jradMIT
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There's a stat floating around that the sucky OL gave Watson 2.5 seconds to get rid of the ball on average. Which should have been enough time if everything else worked like it should have in those 2.5 seconds.
The goal is to get the least sucky group. Throwing 2 rookies and 2 veteran busts be out there will be far worse
Having the OL they had last yr will be worse. 62 sacks with this group and a poor run game. Watson wont survive next season with this group.
It'll be 100 sacks with your preferred lineup
Not if Kalil performs at his former all pro level.
But you're right this is going to be another long season for Watson and the beating he's going to have to take.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Kalil has never been all pro. He was pro bowl once as a rookie in 2012.
Kalil made the pro bowl in 2012. Then he started to suck, then he got injured multiple times and sucked even more.
Even if he does play well, the rest of your lineup would be terrible
Texansballer74
The Marine
Let's put things into perspective.
Watson caused at least 12 sacks.
Bill O'Brien long developing route tree caused at least 12 sacks.
Subtract that from 62 and the offensive line gave up 38 sacks.
Lol
Watson caused at least 12 sacks.
Bill O'Brien long developing route tree caused at least 12 sacks.
Subtract that from 62 and the offensive line gave up 38 sacks.
Lol
Don't forget the TEs & RBs caused 12 sacks, so the OL was only responsible for 26 sacks.
Depends on how the rookies do. You would think 1st/2nd rd picks would atleast be viable starters at OG. Fulton would certainly be an upgrade at C over Martin.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I'd like to see Fulton at OC but I haven't seen any indication that this is being considered. Did Fulton take any snaps at center during OTA's?
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
Martin was out 1st day of TC, Fulton and Mancz were playing OC
Not that I'm aware of,
Hopefully if Martin hurts his ankle again Fulton is the new center.
As rookies you can't expect anything in year 1.
Tytus Howard Gets His First Taste of NFL Life
https://footballmaven.io/texans/new...nding-up-observations-YteqHZNPfUeGTU2sDfJuog/
The pads on and rookie Tytus Howard received his first real look at NFL life. Howard held his own during one-on-one pass-rushing drills going against Whitney Mercilus. He needed to clean up his technique, but he kept his ground on a couple of reps against Mercilus.
During team periods, Howard played mainly left guard, and as practice continued, he started to wear down in the Houston heat and humidity which caused him and many others to get a little sloppy with their technique. The Texans pushed Howard on day one to compete, and that is what he did. He did have some busts, but at the same time, he did have some solid push in the run game to open up holes for running backs.
https://footballmaven.io/texans/new...nding-up-observations-YteqHZNPfUeGTU2sDfJuog/
The pads on and rookie Tytus Howard received his first real look at NFL life. Howard held his own during one-on-one pass-rushing drills going against Whitney Mercilus. He needed to clean up his technique, but he kept his ground on a couple of reps against Mercilus.
During team periods, Howard played mainly left guard, and as practice continued, he started to wear down in the Houston heat and humidity which caused him and many others to get a little sloppy with their technique. The Texans pushed Howard on day one to compete, and that is what he did. He did have some busts, but at the same time, he did have some solid push in the run game to open up holes for running backs.
- OL Greg Mancz hasn't had the best camp, and it is something to watch. At the center, his snaps have been inconsistent, which has caused a timing issue on offense. Mancz had been a consistent player for the Texans but his first three days had been disappointing.
- C Nick Martin is still out due to an undisclosed issue. He has missed all three days of camp.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Kelemente is listed as 301 lbs. I don't like an undersized Guard.
I expect a 1st rd pick to start on what last yr was a poor OL.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think it means that Howard did as well as can be expected for a rookie in NFL camp.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think it means that Howard did as well as can be expected for a rookie in NFL camp.
That's also vague though. As well as expected for a first rounder or a rookie in general?
And is that good enough to start and beat out the other guys?
These reports are always like that. I'm sure xsf always held his own according to john Harris
badboy
Hall of Fame
True but this time of year vagueness is what we're going to get. To a large extent at this point I disregard the round player was chosen and look at his abilities and his coaching. Coaching is the reason I give Big D advantage over Howard as he has historically gotten better regardless. I wish Kalil was not taking up snaps these two should get at LT.
Still on the Davenport train, it's as if last yr didn't happen.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He was a freaking rookie. Lol Brown as a rookie wasn't good either. Plus you have to factor in coaching. Add in the fact that there was no continuity with that group.
Have to give the youngster time to develop.
Have to give the youngster time to develop.
In other words, Mercilus is getting paid too much.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Meh, bless his heart Pat's judgment is a bit in question. He reported Savage "clearly out performed Watson" all thru training camp. A blind racoon called BS.
texanhead08
All Pro
Who does everyone think will be the starting 5 in game 1 ??
LT Kalil
LG Howard or Rankin
C Martin
RG Rankin or Kelemente
RT Davenport or could Howard end up here ?
I have no clue I would just like to know what everyone else thinks
LT Kalil
LG Howard or Rankin
C Martin
RG Rankin or Kelemente
RT Davenport or could Howard end up here ?
I have no clue I would just like to know what everyone else thinks
badboy
Hall of Fame
No it happened steelb, I just appraised Davenport different than you do.
badboy
Hall of Fame
LT DAVENPORT
LG BEST OF HOWARD/RANKIN
CENTER ?
RG FULTON if not center
RT better of HENDERSON/SCHARPING
Of course I still think Trent Williams will be a Texan.
EDIT: My new post in my college off season thread has "bombshell" news on Trent Williams. That situation seems to be playing out as I hope.
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Hopefully you can realize suck when you see it.
Has Davenports feet gotten better this offseason? If not (Which is likely due to his athletic limitations) then we can expect more of the same from Davenport. Which is why Howard/Scharping were drafted in rds 1-2 and Kalil was signed in FA.
Orgs dont do this if they're satisfied with their OT play.
badboy
Hall of Fame
See my post you replied to.
Tell me what you see in him athletically that makes you think that one day he can even be a serviceable LT?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Davenport is a T or nothing. Actually he's a ZBS T or nothing.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
This is what I think they will do starting the year:
LT Kalil or Davenport (early reports is they like a healthy vet in Kalil, he better go earn it)
LG Howard (only taking reps on the left side right now)
C Fulton (Martin is missing time and oft injured, think Fulton is best center on the team)
RG Rankin
RT Henderson
I think Max will get worked in. Kelemente is my odd guy out, followed by Martin. Won't be surprised if they dont keep Martin at center and Fulton at RG. Sense is they are working Howard on the left side and when they feel he is ready will kick him outside.
Kalil is worse and the rookies aren't ready, so they are worse until they develop
We get it, Davenport sucks. He's still the best LT currently on the roster
If Kalil is healthy he's much better than Davenport. Kalil practicing is a promising sign. The Texans have really backed themselves into a corner. Hopefully Williams becomes available in trade and the Texans do something out of character like spending draft capital and $$$$ to get Williams so Watson can be properly protected.
I would offer a 2020 1st and Davenport for Williams. Then I would pay Williams. So you know after reading the last sentence this trade will never happen.
Kalil is not better. What are you basing that on?
Yes I'd do that trade in a second.
Based on past performance if Kalil's healthy he's the best OT on the roster and it's not even close. How many other OT's on the roster have played in a Pro Bowl?
delete
You mean just his rookie year in 2012 before all the injuries? Heck he sucked in 2013 and he was still healthy
He got hurt in the middle of that yr and has never been the same.
I read an article where he changed his rehab/workout regime so that it would lead to better movement skills. This could all be BS, this time of yr everything is all rainbows and koolaid.
The Plan for Tytus Howard and Max Scharping
There will be plenty of onlookers disappointed that Tytus Howard could not be the starter at left tackle when the season opens up week one. The Texans are moving the direction to start Howard at left guard next to Matt Kalil at left tackle and Nick Martin at center. It appears the long-term plan is having Howard taking over the left tackle position at a later time. The Texans want to get Howard on the field in 2019 and in a position that he can succeed. Howard is an upgrade at that position over last season's starter Senio Kelemete and fill-in Martinas Rankin.
As for Max Scharping, the same idea is in place to have him work at right guard and compete with Zach Fulton with him moving to right tackle when the time is right.
The Texans want to go in with the veteran options at the offensive tackle positions to start the season, barring health issues, with both Howard and Scharping in place to be the long-term options for the future.
Getting both Howard and Scharping experience on the field is vital for the Texans but in a controlled situation inside seems to be their plan. Not outside on island against top-end pass rushers that could ultimately hurt players mentally and their development like they did with Julién Davenport and Martinas Rankin last season.
Howard has Bounce Back Day
Yesterday was a rough day for the rookie from a heat and conditioning day, more like a baptism of sorts. Howard held up in one-on-ones against Joel Heath who usually can push offensive line off their spots. Heath could not budge Howard. During team drills, Howard picked up a twist involving Watt and held him at bay during the pass rush.
Howard looked much more under control than he did yesterday, even though it might have been heat and the first day of pads related. Either way, it was a good bounce-back day for the rookie.
OL Max Scharping is still adjusting to NFL speed and power. Moments he gets it, and then today he had trouble slowing DE Carlos Watkins during pass rush drills. Scharping later in team drills had solid work during the first-team defense protecting Deshaun Watson
https://footballmaven.io/texans/new...-up-eyes-observations-msMLaJHI-0ex3nFI70jnWQ/
I don't see how Tytus is better than Senior right now while he's struggling to adjust
There will be plenty of onlookers disappointed that Tytus Howard could not be the starter at left tackle when the season opens up week one. The Texans are moving the direction to start Howard at left guard next to Matt Kalil at left tackle and Nick Martin at center. It appears the long-term plan is having Howard taking over the left tackle position at a later time. The Texans want to get Howard on the field in 2019 and in a position that he can succeed. Howard is an upgrade at that position over last season's starter Senio Kelemete and fill-in Martinas Rankin.
As for Max Scharping, the same idea is in place to have him work at right guard and compete with Zach Fulton with him moving to right tackle when the time is right.
The Texans want to go in with the veteran options at the offensive tackle positions to start the season, barring health issues, with both Howard and Scharping in place to be the long-term options for the future.
Getting both Howard and Scharping experience on the field is vital for the Texans but in a controlled situation inside seems to be their plan. Not outside on island against top-end pass rushers that could ultimately hurt players mentally and their development like they did with Julién Davenport and Martinas Rankin last season.
Howard has Bounce Back Day
Yesterday was a rough day for the rookie from a heat and conditioning day, more like a baptism of sorts. Howard held up in one-on-ones against Joel Heath who usually can push offensive line off their spots. Heath could not budge Howard. During team drills, Howard picked up a twist involving Watt and held him at bay during the pass rush.
Howard looked much more under control than he did yesterday, even though it might have been heat and the first day of pads related. Either way, it was a good bounce-back day for the rookie.
OL Max Scharping is still adjusting to NFL speed and power. Moments he gets it, and then today he had trouble slowing DE Carlos Watkins during pass rush drills. Scharping later in team drills had solid work during the first-team defense protecting Deshaun Watson
https://footballmaven.io/texans/new...-up-eyes-observations-msMLaJHI-0ex3nFI70jnWQ/
I don't see how Tytus is better than Senior right now while he's struggling to adjust
Size is the only thing I can think of. Kelemente has the size of a center...
badboy
Hall of Fame
It is good to hear Carlos Watkins name at all. I loved the guy coming out of Clemson but basically playing behind Watt gives him little regular game time to develop. I know he plays DT but imo has ability to shed a few lbs and play DE. Here is some recent info from ROTOWORLD:
For those interested:
https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/player/30547/
We need to keep him at DT/NT we need Antonio Smith type Ninja Assassin pressure from the inside.
Good day for Tytus
Texans OL Tytus Howard at Training Camp 2019
@edclarke03/Eddie Clarke
Tytus Howard had a very nice day. He worked a lot with some of the veterans getting an off day. The most impressive rep was him stoning D.J. Reader and stopping the veteran defensive lineman cold in his tracks. He had some nice reps against other rushers too. He even earned a measure of revenge on Joel Heath after Heath won some reps in the first padded practice. He moved around really well too getting out and leading the charge on a few blocks.
Not as Scharping
Offensive lineman Max Scharping had a day that left something to be desired. He struggled with extending his arms and really getting into defenders. One play it took him a second to establish his grip but once he got set and could plant he slowed the rusher down. Unfortunately for him he was deep into the pocket by then.
https://houston.sportsmap.com/11-observations-from-texans-training-camp-july-28
Texans OL Tytus Howard at Training Camp 2019
@edclarke03/Eddie Clarke
Tytus Howard had a very nice day. He worked a lot with some of the veterans getting an off day. The most impressive rep was him stoning D.J. Reader and stopping the veteran defensive lineman cold in his tracks. He had some nice reps against other rushers too. He even earned a measure of revenge on Joel Heath after Heath won some reps in the first padded practice. He moved around really well too getting out and leading the charge on a few blocks.
Not as Scharping
Offensive lineman Max Scharping had a day that left something to be desired. He struggled with extending his arms and really getting into defenders. One play it took him a second to establish his grip but once he got set and could plant he slowed the rusher down. Unfortunately for him he was deep into the pocket by then.
https://houston.sportsmap.com/11-observations-from-texans-training-camp-july-28
@PatDStat: They are planning to make a decision soon with the five they think are going to be the group. I think the real decisions are on the right side more than anything. https://t.co/rlREHmwBls